/lit/ - Literature

>>13464937
>>all men want to rape
He wasn't visionary enough to realize the levels of soi the west could reach, but men wanting to rape is pretty constant throughout history.

>>13464937
Where does he say this?

>>13464937
>>all men want to rape
Evola confirmed for third-wave feminist

>>13464979
I think he says something like that in metaphysics or war. Something along the lines of believing that the whole chaste trobadour thing was artistic license, they did actually sleep with the women they wrote songs about, and knights always raped people in war and that was pretty much normal.

>>13464986
He doesn't and you're full of shit.

>>13464937
ask a man if they could have sex with anyone they wanted without consequences and they would say yes.

>>13464986
Nice source you fucking retard

>>13464989
HAve you even read metaphysics of war? i remember him saying that

>>13464979
It's one of of his focal points in metaphysics of sex.

>>13464990
Imagine being this much of a solipsistic egoist that you think everyone must be like you and that nobody could be a moral realist and that everyone would be Gyges if they could get the ring. Nobody should be your friend if you're just going to take advantage of them when you can, if you can get away with it.

>>13464999
>>13465010

Post the passage.

>>13465011
moral realism is stupid and anti-traditional

>>13465012
just going off the top of the head. tried searching it but couldn't find. maybe it was in a different book

>>13464980

dworkin is actually extremely lucid when it comes to this and pornography, she is only dismissed because she was unattractive. i've noticed myself feeling very rapey on many days

>>13465024
Whatever he said, I guarantee you it was a far cry from "all men desire rape".

>>13465028
lol im not op, so i wont back him 100% but i do recall evola talking about knights raping during the course of warfare

>>13465017
It could be stupid and anti-traditional. But people believe it. Moral realists exist. And good moral realists don't want to rape or kill, even when there's no bad consequences. Pretending that's impossible says more about you than them.

>>13465044
>Moral realists exist. And good moral realists don't want to rape or kill, even when there's no bad consequences. Pretending that's impossible says more about you than them.

a few questions for all the men professing that men don't occasionally want to rape/engage in morbid fantasy

>1. if you masturbate to pornography, what kind of genres do you gravitate to? are they more 'vanilla', or are they more brutal and humiliating?
>2. if you abstain from pornography and sex, have you ever encountered difficulty mediating your sexual desire?
>3. if you could rape or have sex someone with zero consequences to the individual or society, would you?
>4. have you ever used drugs or alcohol to make having sex easier?
>5. have you ever paid for sex?

>>13465044
im not this >>13464990 poster, but if moral realism is false then it is effectively a lie. hence they are lying to themselves about what they want. also you said "people" but that poster specified "men", and to be clear not every biological humanoid with a cock is a "man". yeah, there are lots of pussies out there that can't conceive of raping anyone ever. but any real man would be hard pressed to resist the urge during warfare, and by the way i commend anyone who does resist the urge, but that urge is definitely there if you are a real man

>>13465059
lmao what the fuck is wrong with Americans? subhuman filth

>>13465067
>the urge to rape defines real men

>>13465085
>lmao what the fuck is wrong with Americans?
Not him, but it's pretty normal I think.
You have to be utterly filled with soi to not have occasioal desires to rape.

>>13465085
>the urge to rape defines real men
history and all world religions basically agree with me

>>13465091
>>13465097
b&r

>>13465067
I see why you think "they are lying to themselves" but consider this: when you sincerely believe you ought to do something, you feel the strong normative pull, whether or not what you believe is true or false. If you really believed, through weird reasoning in your past, that murder was your mission, you'd feel that strongly. Only egoists think that people are so depraved that it's actually impossible to feel a normative pull given belief. Egoists have to pretend that we all already believe in egoism and any further belief contradicting it is "lying to oneself". But that's absolutely not true, and it has little to do with whether moral realism is true or not and everything to do with the nature of belief and the felt pull of normativity when you really believe you ought to do things.
>>13465057
How the fuck is it fedora to say moral realists exist, especially when so many are theists and the atheist ones tend to be philosophers not teenage pseuds? Egoism and moral anti-realism are fedora as fuck dude.

>>13465085

those were serious questions, i guess you've never done any of that?

>>13465067
>it's not the body parts, or even dysphoria-marked gender identity, that defines your gender. It's whether or not you want to rape if you can get away with it.
What the absolute fuck

>>13465108
im not an egoist you retard. im just saying that the urge to rape is an ordinary and consistent historical fact. that shouldnt be controversial. im not condoning rape, im saying the urge is normal and it should be restrained. you’re being a contrarian when you argue against such obvious truths
>>13465122
>muh gender identities
you think i was referring to those idealogies? take your head out of the mass cultural sewers, it’s messing with your thought. the expression “real man” is a figurative manner of speaking. do you even rhetoric?

>>13464937
>Africans came from mud people
The same way Europeans came from wood people.

>>13465136
It's just a mark of a lot of egoists that they think people would do all sorts of "immoral" things if they could get away with it, and they invoke the same "other people are just lying to themselves" rhetoric. You understand that right? Nobody denies that a lot of people act like morality only applies when consequences do. So i'm not denying your "obvious truth". I just said that one shouldn't act like this is universal. And if "real man" is figurative why can't people reject your figure of speech?

>>13465091
>You have to be utterly filled with soi to not have occasioal desires to rape.

a desire to fuck a random girl I see on the street? sure. an URGE to rape? you're subhuman trash

>>13465160
stop being obtuse

>>13465171
giving into the urge and not having the urge are both subhuman. having the urge but restraining is what makes a man

>>13465202
>giving into the urge to molest a child and not having the urge are both subhuman, being a self-aware pedophile is what is truly ennobling

lost and deluded

>>13465217
pedophilia is abnormal, rape is not
>inb4 he asks me to """"prove it""""

>>13465187
Nothing obtuse in disagreeing with Evola.

sois don't understand either the male sex drive or the male desire for destruction.

>>13465217
>>13465229

both of them are "normal", which is why all societies throughout the ages have attempted to condition men to abhor acts like those. some of your disgust might be inherent to your person without any kind of societal education, but how much?

>>13465245
it's not evola you are disagreeing with its reality

>>13465229g
plenty of soldiers in wartime have raped children/teenagers. you gonna start wagging the finger at soldiers raping a kid ten feet down from another soldier raping the maid? christ what am i reading. dickbrain fuckwit

>>13465202
>Controlling the urge is good
>But if you lack it, fuck you
What the fuck is this logic

>>13465264
Evola's "reality"

>>13465249
achmeds and dudebros don't understand the capacity for reflection and self-control

>>13465271
violent and libidinal urges are part of masculinity. i have no issue with women lacking the desire to rape, that's normal. in fact, i have no problem with men lacking them either. im just drawing a distinction between normal men and pussies. both types are bound to exist

>>13464937
>all men want to rape
If you have not thought or fantasized of raping a woman you are not a man.

>>13465283
if you dont have the urge to rape then there is no room for self control. there is nothing there to control

FACT: If women didn't spread their legs exclusively for Chad, there would be a lot less rape. Prove me wrong.

>>13465283
Some of them are much more virtuous than sois, because they act virtuous despite their urges. Sois are basically women without the ability to give birth to and nourish offspring.

>>13465292
on the contrary, it could also mean I've controlled these urges to the point that I've burned them to the root. you know it's possible to de-program fetishes, right?

>>13465302
i don't call men with urges to rape real men by default, i call them fucking animals. the real man is he who has transcended those urges or, yes, at least has them under control

>>13465305
burning your passions to the root is a whole other circumstance. that happens with enlightenment, which has nothing to do with psychological deprogramming which is more akin to castration. tearing out passion by the root is a spiritual attainment.

>>13465313
The same urges you vilify are the urges that make it possible to kill in order to defend one's home in times of war, and to strive for excellence in order to ensure sexual success. You either have a car that goes nowhere, or a car that goes forward but crashes into a tree occasionally.

>>13465321
is it castration if it is an organ I no longer identify with? is it a deprivation if there is something in me that would be glad to be deprived of it?

>>13465285
You're calling them pussies. So it's a bad thing. You're saying 'fuck you' to them. So yeah, what the fuck is the logic in saying it's good to control the urge but bad to lack it?

>>13465341
urges = energy that can be transmuted to higher purposes. men who lack those urges are flabby and ineffectual

>>13465333
so what? energy can be polluted, or refined. in itself, it is neutral. i don't see these urges as signs of a latent capacity to strive for excellence, i see it as a failure of that capacity.

>>13465358
Stop being deliberately obtuse, faggot.

>>13465365
not every great artist, scientist, and philosopher is a reformed lecher, stop generalizing your sickness faggot

>>13465373
t.

>>13465378
the heights are proportional to the depths, but not all depths are the same. it isn't so linear. was john wayne gacy a frustrated potential poet laureate because he didn't transmute his energies into a higher purpose? you're a goof

>>13465358
Everyone agrees that sexuality can be sublimated for creativity, but do you really need to have an urge to rape? Libido is enough, you don't need sadism.

men want to control women and their boons, rape is a means to this.

>>13465397
Why you asking me? that's what I'm saying. intense sexual desire doesn't have to be violent

ITT: People pointing out the errors of Evola, Evola sycophants respond with images and call people obtuse.

>>13464937
>all men want to rape
That's not what he said. He was describing the psychological and spiritual degenerate character of a man who would rape. Evola thought the act itself was dishonorable.

>>13465413
>intense sexual desire doesn't have to be violent

Lmao

>>13465413
Meant to respond to >>13465348 above you, my bad.

>>13465397
the urge to rape is not the same as sadism. the type of men im talking about would prefer if the woman in question consented but since she doesnt they rape her. they dont specifically desire her to not consent so they can reap the pleasure of forcing themselves on her. thats demented and weird

>>13465423
>all real men jerk off to facialabuse.com

retard

>>13465444
i dont jerk off or fantasize to rape, but id be lying if i told you that during a war i wouldn't bet tempted to grab a thicc breeding age woman belonging to the enemy and fill her with my seed

>>13465444
Dumbass. Sexual desire and violence blur each other's lines in their most intense forms. It's almost as if you're a virgin who doesn't understand how close the two urges are to each other.

>>13465465
i've had sex and pulled hair, i don't get off to girls crying or being abused, you got issues

>>13465470
"violence" in this case does not necessarily refer to willfully inflicting pain upon the woman, or enjoying her being in pain, but the general intensity, the selfishness, and the physical roughness of the act.

If you've ever felt intense desire, you'd know that in the throes of ecstasy, one feels a desire to dominate, to use force, to selfishly sate sexual cravings.

Women are honed by tens of thousands of years of evolution to prefer this kind of sex to anything else. That's why 50 shades of grey and BDSM is such a big thing among them.

Really, you're just acting willfully obtuse. Forcefulness and sexual desire will never be separated so long as the human race exists.

>>13465285
Fun thing Aristotles said the exact opposite.

>>13464980
*second-wave

>>13465492
rough sex is a far cry from the urge to rape and violate. you've successfully moved the goalposts

i've always been disgusted by the type of shit you're talking about, i pound girls like a jackhammer but becoming some kinda moaning groaning max hardcore animal is nauseating.

>>13465492
>obtuse
KEEP SAYING THAT WORD ANON

>>13464998
what do you want him to do you massive bender? Provide a fucking page and line number in full APA style? Do you want a reference list at the bottom of every thread? This isn't college, this isn't reddit, so fucking stop harassing people about sources, just read the book if you care that much.

>>13465512
>>13465514

>>13465521
go have screaming orgasms like a bitch what do i care lmao

>>13465521
>>13465514
>>13465415

>>13465512

You've got to be a woman. I don't believe this level of blindness/irrationality is common in the average /lit/ male poster.

>>13465546
>faced with evidence contrary to their dogma, they enter dogmatic disbelief mode
The mind of a pseud is incredible.

>>13465593

Evidence? Not in this thread at least.

>>13464986
I just read Metaphysics of War and what you're saying is absolute horse shit.

>>13464937
I think it's pretty undeniable that all men have some desire to rape.
1. All (non-asexual) men want to fuck
2. All men have violent fantasies.
Combine the two, and you get all men have a desire to rape. Now 'all men WANT to rape' isn't true, because a 'want' is the weighted sum of all of your desires, and for the vast majority of men the desire to rape is outweighed by their other desires.

>>13465840
1.all men want to fuck
2. no man can get EVERY woman he wants to fuck
VA LA.

>>13464937
idk where you get this from (i assume wikipedia) but he constantly says that lusting over women is effeminate

Ebola was just a WE WUZ ROMANZ LARPer.

>>13465843
>VA LA.

>>13465840
True about the fucking, false about the violent fantasies. And that's what this whole disagreement is about, really. Since rape has happened a lot through history and in modern times, and Evola followers have rape fantasies themselves, they decide to project their feelings on to everybody else.

>>13466792
Sex is inherently violent. Sex should be abolished and criminalized.

inb4 feminist, incel, etc

>>13466815
>inb4 feminist
Would they be wrong though? You do sound like radfems.

>>13466830
I advocate that both parties must be held accountable.

>>13466838
Both parties meaning the feminists and incels, or the people participating in a sexual act?

>>13466851
The people participating in a sexual act (this can include feminist incels too)

>>13465059
I'd have to get used to rape because it's not something I gravitate towards

>>13466858
Is non-sexual romance still okay, or is that also criminal? The sentimental stuff. Mutual affection.

>>13466869
Receiving, or giving?... doesn't matter, to the gulags!

>>13466876
Of course!

>>13465270
Protection of children is hardwired to people. Even criminals punish pedophiles.

>>13465301
I still would.

Will reading Evola help me stop being a cumbrain? If so, what book?

>>13465085
>defines real men
No he's saying that denying rape as a natural part of human warfare shows that you are a virtue signalling puritan incel.

It's not that rape is good per se, all traditional cultures encouraged chastity (because it's healthy) and obviously not raping is part of that. Obviously raping women in your own community merits death.

Raping the women of a vanquished enemy however is nothing to wring your hands over, it's how the world goes around.

>>13466885
That's good to hear. I don't follow your view of sex though. Letting genuine affection, which is supportive and mutual, give way for sexual intimacy, on the basis of trust, must that be impossible? I guess I'm just wondering how a pair of ideal people who have sincere, mutual affection and really mean the world to each other would be engaging in a criminal act the moment they decide to have sex. I'm sure the're Evola followers who have such twisted views of sexual fantasy that they'll more than agree with you that sex has to be inherently violent. A further question: is masturbation on its own inherently violent?

>>13466914
Is raping the woman and leaving her alive better or worse than just killing her along with the men

>>13466918
Sex before marriage is a sin. Masturbation is also a sin. Repent.

>>13466928
>confusing what God forbids with what is immoral
Was eating pork once immoral and now moral, or just forbidden and now allowed? inb4 Jew/Muslim

>>13466914
>No he's saying that denying rape as a natural part of human warfare shows that you are a virtue signalling puritan incel.

no one itt denied this you retard

>>13466918
Mastubation is allowed, its just another bodily function after all, like sneezing, or taking a dump, but only if you aren't sexualizing other living things while doing so.

>>13466920
I'm partial to the genocide route.

>>13466920
I mean I have no idea, it depends on whether you have a family at home, and which culture you come from. But the other thing to keep in mind is, women also go with their conquerors willingly because they have no other choice, there's literally nothing else for them to do.

>>13465011

>>13466937
The conflict of the Iliad begins with a dispute over the divvying up of captured women, tell me more about how rape is wrong you pantywaist faggit.

>>13466966
>another image reaction post
The absolute state of Evola pseuds.

>>13466966
I repeat: WHAT ANIME IS THIS

WHAT ANIME ALLOWS A RACIAL SLUR

>>13466968
tell me more about your intellectual justifications for being an animal you fucking nigger

>>13465465
>>13465492
is correct

>>13465512
you don’t really get masculine desire, do you

>>13465044
you don't have to want to commit actual rape to have the subconscious desire to be a rapist.
The fact that the most common fetishes (to the point where they're not even considered fetishes) are all centered around domination and submission. Pull my hair daddy. What is imbalance of power but rape? Even if it is simulated.

>>13467007
>you don't have to rape, or even want to rape to be a rapist

Duly noted.

>>13467007
*...submission proves that there is an appeal to rape even in consensual sex.
Spanking
Spitting
Pissing
Hair pulling
Name calling
General agressiveness
Choking

Not to mention actual BDSM. All of these are centered on humilliation and forcefulness, with which we hope to simulate rape in consensual sex.
Oh also, I would say that >50% of porn is about rape.

>>13467027
>dude hair pulling is just a sublimated rape urge
>dude a father kissing his daughter is just a sublimated incestual desire

jesus christ

>>13467016
That's the absurdity of all the people here saying this rape crap. Notice how the shifting goes. First, claim all men are rapists. Except they aren't, so claim only """real""" men are. When that doesn't work, claim everyone wants to rape without knowing it. People are psychoanalyzing a population without access to everyone's minds, dismissing outliers, and appealing to hidden things like the subconscious. There's no way for them to lose like this. It's a bunch of shit and only shows how much these people are projecting their own degenerate conditions on to everybody else.

>>13467016
Yeah, this is what Foucault said too.
The takeaway, though is not what the left has taken away from it (that therefore, masculinity is awful and should be supressed, and that women manifesting a desire to be """raped""" need to rid themselves of masculine influence), which is probably where you think I'm going for.

What should be taken away from this is that the subconscious desire of rape is completely natural, unavoidable and an integral part of a regular human's psyche, and that power imbalance is not necessarily a bad thing. It's kind of amazing how much the left has bastardized Foucalt (and the reason the right disowned him is probably because they ate up the left's narrative about him)

>>13467042
sounds like the meme man himself

>>13467042
okay, what do you think is appealing about hair pulling then?
also, read my last reply(>>13467052) you seem to confuse me for a third wave feminist

>>13467052
>What should be taken away from this is that the subconscious desire of rape is completely natural, unavoidable and an integral part of a regular human's psyche,

lmfao this nigga said INTEGRAL hahahahahaha burn america to the ground and salt the earth

>>13467052
to add to my point, consider that, literally, ALL animals rape (well, the ones that reproduce sexually anyways). Have you ever seen cats have sex?
Biology has geared all animals to get intercourse done, one way or the other. It seems more of a stretch to me to think that somehow we are the only animal that doesn't have an impulse to get pussy when we want it, regardless of whether someone is giving it.

>>13467091
yes goy, a real man is someone who proudly endorses his unconscious biological programming

>>13467064
You come off like a dumbass in this thread. Just babbling about America does not constitute meaningful contribution, you're not even funny either.

>>13467109
aw geez oh no I've been found out *farts*

>>13464990
Wow you sure could read every man's mind.

>>13467042
>dude a father kissing his daughter is just a sublimated incestual desire

Actually it can very well be.

>jesus christ

That's a fetish too, especially for christsluts.

>>13467137
Fucking cumbrains man

>>13467104
i dont even know what youre implying lmao

>>13467140
take the cumpill

>>13467140
Refute me nigga

>>13467174
Not everybody is jewish.

>>13467247
You literally worship one.

>>13467027
>rough sex is totally rape
Uhhhm. I don’t care for bdsm at all, but sex can be a little rough sometimes. Its called consensual for a reason. Even those sick fuckers who get off on bdsm are consenting. They are appealing to play rape, rough sex is not

>>13464937
You are correct, nobody of worthwhile opinion takes him seriously.

>>13467268
Yeah that what I said. You don't have to like rape to like the idea of rape.
One is a horrible crime, and the other one is a sign of a normal sexuality. This is what the feminists don't get.

>>13467174
Is that just a clip taken out of context?

>>13467256
Jesus wasn't a Jew. He literally expelled Jews from every temple he visited.

>>13465122
people like you are the reason this board has been going to shit
i can smell the reddit from this post

>>13465339
>organ I no longer identify with
DILATE
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>>13466928
Yet you tempt us with that photo. Truly this post is the work of the enemy.

>>13467488

>>13464990
Ask a man if anyone should have sex with anyone they wanted without consequences though

>it's okay to casually assert that 50% of the world population are eager to commit egregious crimes
>it's not okay to assert that 13% of the population are eager to commit egregious crimes
I don't get it

>>13467320
>Nonchalantly rubbing your daughters tits

What context might this be?

>this entire thread
possibly the worst thread I've seen on this board. highest concentration of pseud I've ever had the misfortune to peruse. I sincerely regret. Everyone here, I implore you to kill yourselves.

Literally every man wants to rape? I know that most men might want to rape women if there was no consequences (ultimate form of domination which is the sexual preference of most men), but literally all of us? No fucking way. If Evola said that literally every man wants to rape then he is wrong.

>>13469315
You and this whole thread are not getting what he's saying