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>>13461735
It's a blessing(with drawbacks) up to about 130 where it starts being a problem.

>>13461735
Yes

>>13461740
literally the opposite
being a bit above average is terrible because you are smart enough to realize how terrible life is but you know you are still too dumb to actually do anything about it
if you are very above average, you can become successful and accomplished.

>>13461735
There's only an issue when you don't have an in group and considering our democratic society is stuck on forcing everyone in one blegh pile (and considering differences between height, intelligence race are heightened by inclusion [men start to pick more object oriented fields, white men become cucks], you start to get issues especially considering higher intelligence is associated with higher assortative mating etc

>>13461735
Blessing, everything else is victim mentality and pity bait.

>>13461819
I'm guessing you're above-average

>>13461822
Yes, above-average, but not genius (slightly above 130 IQ). Perhaps I'm underestimating the struggles of an actual genius, but I believe they could focus on themselves to the point they're mainly concerned with their strenghts and living out their full potential. I do not like it when people with strenghts and privileges bait for pity and sympathy, they should rather wear them with pride imo instead of manipulating along the lines of those less provided.

>>13461735

god tier
>150+ IQ
>below 80 IQ

good tier
>130s-140s IQ
>80s IQ

normie tier
>90s-110s IQ

shit tier
>120s IQ

>>13461746
That's what the stats say my man. It helps life outcomes up to like 130, but the 150 crowd dont integrate normally into society usually. Some do of course.

>>13461735
It feel lonely up there but being a bit schizo help.

>>13461860
It's also a matter of personality. I'm only somewhat above 130, but have poor integration in society, because I'm a schizoid. My life is boring, but my mind is not.
What I sadly see is that lots of genius IQ people try to hide their intelligence because they want to avoid the toxicty of envy coming from others. I myself have been promoted in a program for gifted people and reactions towards me were very negative due to my poor social integration (which I have myself to blame for). Such experiences can intimidate one into timidity. I'm not speaking for everyone and I understand that actual geniuses may be more confident than I ever was, but I know some examples who try to hide it because of the toxic envy they'd meet otherwise and the virtue of humility they might be striving towards, which is a noble striving. Don't deny yourselves, you needn't be an elitist or narcissist, embrace your strenghts and blessings.

iq is not intelligence

is intelligence a blessing or a curse? depends on who you are obviously

High IQ is a blessing
Midwit IQ is a curse
t. midwit

>>13461888
You are schizoid because you are above 130 IQ

>>13461740
Got that backwards, midwit.

>>13461897
Maybe? As far as I know, schizoid personality "disorder" is not strongly correlated to IQ, but some research points towards creativity. Out of the box thinking has some links to heightened intelligence. Believe it or not, as a schizoid, I'm very humble (indiffernece to praise and criticism is one of the diagnostic criteria), but I have confidence in my intelligence. As a schizoid, I just live mostly in my mind, it has a strong "grip" of sorts. It's actually quite obsessive. I resemble an aspie in many ways even, but I've never had any difficulties with social "subtext", but I'm still pretty awkward due to "indifference" - it's not like I actively shit on social conventions, but my apathy is kind of a given, it's a persistent mood and it's not out of spite or anything, it hurts me in many ways.

it has been a great blessing in in my life

>>13461888
Im around 130 as well, and I have bipolar disorder. this board must attract people like that. I literally just wrote until the post length ran out about my life and then remembered that 4chan isn't my blog lol.

I think I agree with your perspective though, it is a good mindset.

>>13461856
>2 digit IQ
>considered anything but suffering

>>13461919
Like I said to the other guy that is based on statistics of people's life outcomes, not my personal feelings on the matter. I am in fact a midwit though so well spotted.

>>13461852
>along the lines
Yeah the 150 IQ gods just swing out of the trees birth a new culture and civilization that 180 iqers provide foundations with new earth's and dimensions from which we may build upon

>>13461888
Honestly just have sex and be a pervert that is extremely likeable and you can do whatever

Being a midwit is the worst hell.

>>13461890
>iq is not intelligence
*it's just the most predictive model for quantifying intelligence available with over a century of research and development backing it

>>13461980
Haven't been diagnosed with bipolar, but I also haves strong mood swings between depression and a kind of subdued mania, so I may actually qualify. It's strange, because my outward appearance is all schizoid, with flat affect, but internally, there's a turmoil. Are you productive in your manic episodes?

>>13461888
I mean, I have poor integration in society, too and test very low 140s, and I've always had problems separating myself from others, early as preschool. My mother refused to let me skip grades despite my school asking every year because she thought I could be ostracized for my youth by older peers, and if your account is paradigmatic then she may have had reason. In my case, though, it's not schizoid personality but autism with obsessive-compulsive disorder, and there some endogenous anxiety is wrought, primeval in all interactions and perceptions. Now, insofar as adulthood, I developed epilepsy a year ago, and until we can afford treatment I have no right driving, swimming alone, I could be in danger going out on my own, whatever including photosensitivity, etc, which doubles the plight of independence in autism. No, it's not insurmountable, but it's a pathology only ever negative along the lifelong cascade of choice and fate. But what's most important of all is to understand that suffering is not a pathology, and that, when you play a bad move or suffer misfortune, you can only redeem it by making some good moves in return, not applying your misery as a doomful exponent on every later choice and thought. Don't let it kindle.

>>13462159
I wrote out a long post explaining how I was, but again I feel it is somehow improper to say that much about myself on here. Yes I was very productive, in many different ways, work, art, relationships, everything went just perfectly, and in a wondrous manner. I was positive that I had God flowing through me, so I had endless energy and love for people and the world.

The way you describe your mind is a lot like how I was in the period between where I became first depressed, and when the manic episode occurred. It never breached that final frontier of mania, just bits and pieces of hypomania, and that pervading strange schizoid feeling in everyday life.

Things went really, really, wrong towards the end though and they have continued to be wrong since, for years, getting worse and worse.

>>13462239
>not applying your misery as a doomful exponent on every later choice and thought. Don't let it kindle.
I'm the schizoid anon. I'll take that as a word of advice. Anhedonia, apathy, avolition are ongoing struggles for me to overcome. My mind is overactive, but I have a hard time applying myself to tangible things. The bane of the schizoid is loneliness, in all ways, it's a little understood condition even clinically, let alone for the rest of society. I'm kind of dissociated from guilt, but I see others surmount difficulties seemingly greater than mine and I can't even get together to do the most simple things. Since I simply accept myself as I am, it's doesn't hurt my vanity, but sometimes the perspective it puts me into kind of puts me to shame. Yet, I don't know how to take it seriously enough to feel anything "alarming" about it.

>>13461735
You're not evil. Worse, you're smart.

>>13461985
they tend to have a good time

>>13462278
Yeah, just think of it like a game, whatever kind you like between fighting games or chess or anything else. When you're in disadvantage/have less pieces, you don't continue making bad moves/throw more pieces into the flame, you meditate and reflect however you do and return to zero, understand your situation as it is and apply some essentially military strategy. You understand what I mean and I hope what I said stays with you long-term. Wisdom is meant to be passed on.

And, while I've struggled with those issues for other reasons, time is the ultimate resource, and even in suspension, although deliberate, the hanged man continues in some way. I see things through opportunity cost and the aforementioned strategic game, so even in apathy/anhedonia etc I tell myself if I'll do nothing for an hour I ought to use it mastering myself, reading, studying a language or whatever subject, exercise, etc. No, I won't end it at saying exercise cures depression, but there is a really arcane and sublime joy in simple fascination and erudition, which I'm sure was significant for Borges for example. I believe you'll find a happier place for yourself ultimately, whatever way you choose to do it. Don't worry about others.

>>13462294
They really don't they have higher rates of mental illness

>>13461856
how on earth is being downs god tier

>>13462335
Being retarded is better than being smart and schizoid. You aren’t aware of how others perceive you, and live an almost animal kind of life, like a pet. But pets are generally happier than humans, so I’d think it’d be better.

>>13462331
>so even in apathy/anhedonia etc I tell myself if I'll do nothing for an hour I ought to use it mastering myself, reading, studying a language or whatever subject, exercise, etc
No disrespect, but I think you don't have the degree of anhedonia/apathy I deal with if the thought of opportunity costs still gets you moving. I won't debate that you feel these states to the extent that you can identify them as such, but I'd surmise they're baseline for my condition. Maybe it's even your higher IQ driving you towards worthwhile pursuits. I can perfectly do nothing for an hour, a month, six months..

>Don't worry about others.
I think schizoids, as much as they can differ among each other, have indifference towards other people's opinions in common. This indifference is not derived through judgement ("I don't care, because I'm better than you plebs!"), rather it is an outgrowth of the apathetic mood. Even when my family members criticize me, it goes in, and then out. It's like my reward system is all broken down.

>>13462381
>No disrespect, but I think you don't have the degree of anhedonia/apathy I deal with if the thought of opportunity costs still gets you moving.
Don't worry, I don't get offended by these things and I know your intentions are true to you. I have spent years decaying apathetically, and like most people who suffer that, attempts to reverse it are always wishy-washy and the sentiment of discipline only inspires the shortest limerence and then more apathy. I'm still not so well, you know, since I'm not actually materially productive and still dependent, but to reach a state of discipline in even a few things, I agree, takes many, many hard tries, a ton of work, impossible willpower. In my case it took a lot of tries and my closest friend being much better to me than you could ever ask a friend to be, but even then the trial continues. It really is challenging all the way. I don't think it's my IQ alone. I love learning and I love the world around me, and I think almost any situation or mundane experience can be meaningful and interesting, but this seems more like a personality trait than IQ.

>I think schizoids, as much as they can differ among each other, have indifference towards other people's opinions in common
Thanks for describing how it is for you. I've never met someone I knew had it and I appreciate your account on it. Do you think we could draw out some approximation of the mechanisms? I'm curious if it's chemically immediate and independent like how depression's very manifestation is the dearth of what produces satisfaction, or is it some consequence, like how the set of depressive chemical permutations dampens satisfaction, obesity or anorexia can follow because of an a string of abstract psychological dynamics? Or maybe I'm completely wrong in the very arithmetic or dimension I'm employing. I don't know anything about it and I don't doubt you've done a lot of googling+introspection about it, at least.

>>13462375
For humans lower intelligence is directly correlated with mental illness

>>13462434
Mental disabilities, yes. Mental illness, no. If you’re bipolar, you’re actually more likely to have high intelligence. Other illnesses are inconclusive at worst.

>>13462429
I see, the way you describe your struggles - it sounds very familiar and relatable. I'm not materially productive and dependent as well. It's kind of tragic, because the schizoid always strives for self-sufficiency. At least emotionally, I am there. Dependency of any kind tends to suffocate and depress me, but I have my own laziness to blame. My condition is all laziness, but it's not simply a moral failure. That's the part where I feel very lonely, because laziness is all what "reasonable" people will see in me. I can't blame them, but it drives me away from common society. The schizoid condition is a lot like the negative symptoms in schizophrenia, perhaps equal to them. At least I'm easily entertained by my own mind. It's not like I have terribly interesting thoughts, it's rather that my imagination seems to be saturated to the degree it qualifies as a surrogate for real experiences. This may sound like a cope to people and I understand, but it is just a fact for me. I can have imaginary conversations in my mind and it's basically like a real conversation, fulfilling me in the way that an actual social interaction would. My mental objects have attained such a reality to me, they are equal to real objects as far as I'm concerned.

>I've never met someone I knew had it and I appreciate your account on it.
Thank you. It's a rare condition, but it may be underdiagnosed due to the fact that schizoids rarely seek therapy. It's underresearched as well.

>Do you think we could draw out some approximation of the mechanisms? I'm curious if it's chemically immediate and independent like how depression's very manifestation is the dearth of what produces satisfaction, or is it some consequence, like how the set of depressive chemical permutations dampens satisfaction, obesity or anorexia can follow because of an a string of abstract psychological dynamics?
As much as I would like to provide an answer of some kind, I'm genuinely clueless as to the cerebral mechanisms. The schizoid condition is placed on the schizophrenia spectrum and there are lots of parallels to the negative symptoms. Since schizophrenia has been studied substantially by neuroscientists, perhaps the research in this area could point you towards answers. Studies on schizotypy point out low inhibition to stimuli as far as I remember. Schizophrenics tend to read meaning into things excessively. In the schizoid, there is an (over-)active engagement with fantasy. But how the subdued will and ability to feel pleasure are explained, I do not know. It could have something to do with being sort of out of sync with tangible reality and an overcompensation in other directions due to how mental resources are still asking to be processed.

>>13462474
Sheer laziness is a misattribution for you. Things like faults and sins are typically a corrupted exploitation of the will named and placed under the same set, and in certain states injurious to the most fundamental faculties which precede the will, it's not a question of willpower alone but also discipline. Unlike others who are free to act but might not (indolence), your first trial is to overcome whatever prevents your activity in the first place. I understand your thoughts don't need to be particularly interesting to substitute real experience. It's not enough to think along a line or plane about these things, but creatively, so working with a plane from the perspective of a space. It's just interesting to me you mention they aren't interesting because I think you can substitute them not only for conversations, but anything else. It's a bit like how in poetry you can use any dynamics, concept, technique, characters, really anything, as steganography or a sort of alchemy or transmutation, like you can turn euphony into a second narrative. My specific thought regarding this flickered out of my mind as quickly as it came but it's something akin to alchemy.

And yeah, please don't thank me for this, I think it's a brilliant opportunity. It's like how some linguistic theories put forth the axiom of a universal corpus above which other languages are flesh, particolored in color and every other property, to molt with time. Any affair falls under the corpus of possibilities within whatever terribly large set of laws underlie things, there shouldn't be a thing without intrigue, or as something which can not elucidate other things--macro and microscopic.


And I had no idea it was considered schizophrenic. That explains the engagement with fantasy, and if your direction is correct then you're basically forced to work with nothing when it comes to the outside world and are, in a way, silently exhausted. I used to be friends with a psychiatrist and I could have asked him, I think my friend's fiance is going into neurology so maybe I can bring it up in the future, too.

>>13461735
Depends on how high. Speaking from experience and based on observations I've made over the years I would say if your IQ is above 140 you're blessed. At that point you can become euphoric, enlightened by your own intelligence. But if by above average you mean around 120 then that's doomer range, and you're cursed. You're not intelligent enough to appreciate art and the natural world in the deep and meaningful way those with higher IQs do. Instead you're only able to find the flaws in everything, which does require some intelligence, but it leaves you demoralized and enfeebled.

>>13462555
>It's just interesting to me you mention they aren't interesting because I think you can substitute them not only for conversations, but anything else.
From my perspective, since I am busy with them anyway, I could call them interesting, but if I released them for others, they wouldn't have a lot of appeal or stimulate much. It's a potential outsider's perspective which I have in mind. Often, I'm actually empty-minded. It's comparable to a meditative state. I could probably occupy myself with staring at a wall. As stupid as it might sound, that's just how I roll lol

I guess, for the normal consciousness, there are different modes of apphrehension for imaginal objects vs real. To me, the dividing lines are blurry. You have apty described it as silent exhaustion. Some authors see in the schizoid a most primitive regression or weakness of the ego structure. The ego structure interfaces with the outside world.

>>13462443
And you are wrong, that mensa study is shit and relies on sensitive snowflake faggots trying to one up each other on everything to include being a victim. The study even says it's just a maladaptive psychological affixation and not that of a genetic disorder
https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/smart-moves-intelligence-protects-against-mental-illness
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/21/mental-ill-health-creativity-high-iq-genius

>>13461888
>130IQ
>scizoid meme
>toxic is part of his lexicon

>>13462670
What's your problem with the word "toxic"? Is it because you associate its use with certain people? I think it's quite useful and keep it in my vocabulary, vanity can lick my ass.

>>13462681
What's ironic is the association everyone has of it is fart sniffing vanity along w words like problematic

>>13462687
Yeah, and? I find some reactions from people to be akin to a toxin, prompting me to get them out of my system. Don't give a shit about "the association everyone has" with this term. I've grown up in a very boundariless environment and being used to that, it's sometimes challenging to shake off emotional "garbage" from others.

>>13462720
>boundariless environment
Ok buddy

>>13462739
What's your problem?

>>13461735
Tested at 175 in kindergarten for gifted placement. As an adult (and after smoking a lot of weed) it's probably settled somewhere in the high 150s/low 160s.

I used to think I was some super-genius because I "discovered" nihilism during an acid trip when I was 16. I also felt extremely solipsistic because I'd never encountered an idea that I could not understand (this made me think I therefore invented everything and the entire universe was in my head). Nihilism was depressing as fuck for about three months until I realized I still have aspirations in life. Personally, I've found that my ~100 IQ friends have never questioned existence in a meaningful way, my ~130 IQ friends are stuck in meaninglessness, and my ~150 IQ friends all struggled with nihilism then overcame it.

I hate sounding like a pompous cunt, but I do feel a bit alone sometimes if I'm by far the most intelligent person in a social setting. Other than that, I can't imagine thinking high-IQ individuals are cursed rather than blessed.

>>13461735
Neither

>tfw 120 iq
Time to end it, bros

>all these brainlets convinced they have above average IQ

>/lit/ poster
>above average iq