/lit/ - Literature

If women get to use make-up to bump themselves up a few points on the attractiveness scale then males should too. Prove me wrong.

>>13442824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVK_OqyUzk

he should read mein kampf

>>13442836
there have been more and more male make up products recently. ironically thats actually a very progressive idea that breaks down gender and conceived ideas of masculinity

>>13442824
no disrespect to any boys who wish to express themselves like this, but make-up genuinely looks terrible on every boy I've seen it on. the softness of make-up compliments the softness of female features, but looks horrible against the roughness of male ones. no hate though, if a boy wants to wear such applications let him, but i'll never pretend it made him look better

>>13442883
>n-no disrespect b-but...
easy on the s o y there big fella

>>13442883
Is /lit/ as gay as /fit/?

read Mishima lmao

>>13442866
>>13442883
Western dichotomy is what makes people think that guys that take care of themselves and their appearances are gay. Asia on the other hand has integrated the teachings of Taoism even in the aesthetics for men, holding up pretty boys as a standard for beauty for STRAIGHT men, just look at their boy bands. Think about, the Yin-Yang is basically the two opposing forces working in harmony to maintain balance: life and death, light and dark, female and male...

>>13442906
sorry I meant Western dualism

>>13442906
>tfw androgyny is the mark of late stage civilization

>>13442883
>no disrespect and i don't want to upset anyone by posting this because it's just my opinion and you should feel free to do whatever makes your inner queen happy because being happy is all that matters and i would never want to make anyone else unhappy all i want to do is make people happy i love to make everyone happy and increase cohesion and joy in the tribe and i would never tell you for one second to do anything other than what you want to do but just saying (just my opinion) i don't like that hat but that's just me i mean maybe you like that hat and that's good

fuck you are instantiating the primordial feminine so hard right now, are your hips a meter wide? can i worship your big thighs on an altar in a secret underground temple in the bosom and navel and axis of the world where your uncanny vagina first spat forth the cosmos

>>13442923
The owl of Minerva takes flight at dusk.

>>13442941
just being polite, relax. gays and femboys get enough flak in their lives

>>13442906
makeup =/= grooming. I agree that grooming is essential for men just as it is women

>>13442895
being polite is not being gay

>>13442892
being polite is not drinking onions

>>13442966
>“Her feet are tender, for she sets her steps
>Not on the ground, but on the heads of men.”

will you be my chthonian gf?

>>13442966
>gays and femboys get enough flak in their lives

>>13442824
Kevyn Aucoin's 'Making Faces'

>>13442824
cumbrain f off

>>13442824
It's easy to break something, not so to fix it. Realistically there's nothing to be done other than to euthanize the poor creature. I suppose in that sense trannies are a problem that largely solves itself, but we could always help.

>>13443238

At least he doesn't have to live in California anymore.

>>13442839
That kid is based as fuck.

My fav roastie lie is that make up is for "self fulfillment" or whatever, not that it just makes your acne assed face look presentable and better looking. Make up is just facial lies

>>13442883
Every male in Hollywood has make up on in every film

>>13442824
Taking an unprecedented stand against the softboy hegemony, i have decided to listen to nothing but limp bizkit and pattern my personal image, my worldview and everyday behavoiur on thosr of the Biz' frontman, notorious bad boy Fred Durst, just as he was in the halcyon days of 1999 and 2000. I drink 5 cans of MONSTER every day Im on nootropics and i microdose lsd, i have made over a sweet 10k trading cryptocurrency. think of it as subversive avantgarde performance art. In casual conversation I often quote cinematic classics like Pulp Fiction, Fight Club and the matrix from memory, along with soutpark, family guy and the joe rogan show. I have taken Sam Hyde's heterosexual pledge, to preserve the pride and honor of my heterosexuality and resist the homosexual temptation. Also I unapologetically and resolutely stand behind and support President 'based' 'god emperor' Donald J Trump, and if you have a problem with that then go cry to your safe space snowflake. If you are gay queer, trans, antifa, lez, bi or in any other way shape or form a member of the so called lgbtsjwtf community, buddy we arent going to get along, cause i dont mess with that shit.

>>13442824
What is "being a man" defined by? Expecting a person to adhere to stereotypes is limiting them from being the truest version of themselves.

This whole "breaking gender norms" shit is just slave morality for people who aren't as masculine/feminine as they want to be.

>>13443502
yeah but to cover up flaws, not for decoration

>>13443631
Love this

>>13443648
El gee bee tees are weak willed sheeple irrevocably indoctrinated by the NWO MKULTRA machine, japanimation, the democrats, the deep state, corporations and global semitic porn networks. The most radical thing in this day and age is not being gay, a gay lttle queer, but on the contray its being a nietszchean right wing musclechad who refuses to apologise for being white and straight and only bangs women. But sure keep drinking your fedgov alloted ration of basedmilk, and just accept your fabulous queer self. Sure I grew up with a distant father and an overbearing mother, too, i was a terribly awkward young man, didnt go to my high school prom, probably undiagnosed developmental desorder, browsed /b/ occasionally since 13, i think Dr Jordan Peterheil has some fine good ideas, specially in what pertains to masculinity and the insidiousness of the sjw big gay agenda.

>>13443640
not being a freak, being emotionally resilient, self sufficient, independent, the opposite of a lot of the undesirable traits women have

>>13443730
>Sure I grew up with a distant father and an overbearing mother, too, i was a terribly awkward young man, didnt go to my high school prom, probably undiagnosed developmental desorder, browsed /b/ occasionally since 13, i think Dr Jordan Peterheil has some fine good ideas, specially in what pertains to masculinity and the insidiousness of the sjw big gay agenda.
How did you not turn into this?

>>13443849
Willpower my son, that, gumption and a hearty dose of all american know how.

>>13443914
Sam Hydes brother hates faggots more than he does, I wish I could take HRT and seduce him until I finds out and beats me desu
Hes cute

>>13442883
This, they look more feminine against the backdrop of ordinary masculinity while their natural masculine skull juts out of feminine makeup.

please give name or source

>>13444082
It's like im really on /gif/.

>>13442824
Doesn't look anymore feminine than the Kritios boy, contrarian faggots.

>>13442906
>>13442883

You are gay

>>13442883
you don't that kid's face is almost as soft as a female's?
it's not bruce jenner you dumbass

>>13442839
Love that episode.

>>13442923
It's kinda hot tho

>>13443772
It's entirely redundant to apply a gender to these traits when it's something everyone aspires to achieve and many fail. Based on your view of accountability and emotional intelligence everyone in the world is working really hard at being a man. Except they aren't, they're just trying to be better versions of themselves.

>>13444658
I'm bi

>>13443849
not that anon, but I noticed the seeds of it in myself and strangled it like a downie baby in the crib and never looked back

I beat the programming, I was the kind of person liable to get caught in its net anyways (introverted, internet-addicted, socially isolated), so take it from me: you faggots are getting eaten alive by Moloch

>>13442824
>nonestrogenized males

No such thing, enjoy your Bisphenol A laced söy latte.

>>13442824
i don't know
but i know i want to put my penis inside that person

>>13443631
>Fred Durst, or anything else from popular media of the late-90s to early-00s
>straight in any way, or form

I got bad news for you. Its literally the era when all the "fellow youths" started to experiment.

>>13443950
Hydelberg is still relevant and now has a brother?

>>13443772
That's why men make better women.

>>13444923
>not that anon, but I noticed the seeds of it in myself and strangled it like a downie baby in the crib and never looked back
How?

>>13445198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0T8aS6VQY

>>13446016
That's Charls Carroll you dope. He's just another member of MDE

>>13446083
they look so similar in certain ways

>>13443849
That horrible hairline though...

Tumblr is shit because the retards can’t post their buttholes anymore so they migrated over here. Pol and B outs them for being wastes of skin and LIT is half tolerant so they stick around even though no one wants them.
>talk about books
>h-hey guise can you suggest a book for the mentally challenged?
>gets offered Plato
>”I-I only read Harry Potter growing up, this doesn't make any sense. Do you have something with trannies in it?” Uwu *blushes* *prolapses*
>offers pic related which oddly enough has a tranny GF
>”I-is there an anime of this? I don’t want to read the whole book”
>no
>”does anyone want to come to my discord? There’s pictures of my butthole”
>a few people check it out. Of course there’s a link to a patreon account from OP. No one donates
>”d-do you think I’m passable?”
>picture looks fat and hideous sweetjesuskillitwithfire.mp3
>op makes another thread
>h-hey guise why is lit so accepting of trannies?

>>13447096
Wrong pic.

>>13442824
I don't think you understand genetic factors of sex hormones; did you think every male was born with equally high testosterone levels? And that's without mentioning epigenetics and the possible psychological effects connected with that.

>>13442906
>the faggot doesn't understand duality and reality's basis on it as the highest fundamental (that is following the presupposition that reality is based upon the even rather than the odd) and the necessitated principles which come from the understand of this existence
>the faggot doesn't understand that pretty boys are masculine, all he has to do is look at all good looking men in their late teens and early twenty's
>the faggot doesn't even understand what masculinity is
>that masculine is an array of things yet in this case places focus upon persistence, endurance, struggle, suffering, strength and the eternal striving for the greater

>>13442906
>>13447144
>the faggot also doesn't understand he is not good looking
>not masculine
>not tall
>not Asian
>and not a straight man

>>13447120
Is this why I was heterosexual throughout ages 8-20 and raced through puberty at 11 but then became bisexual with a preference for assertive men after 20?
Was it my testosterone levels? I had been hitting my balls to femdom CBT since 11

>>13447152
You were naturally effeminate or at least had a predisposition to it. Tell me what was your child like? Did you feel weak.. and small, effeminate as a child? As if you did not live up to your father? As if you disappointed him? Did you wish to be as, "strong" as your father - did you feel shame?!

>hitting my balls to femdom CBT since 11
Yea this wouldn't of fucking helped either. How do kids even find porn that young? Seriously stop watching porn and gain some willpower - seriously this is your first goal to become a man.

>>13447181
>Tell me what was your child like? Did you feel weak.. and small, effeminate as a child?
I was always effeminate as a child and I'm half asian on my mothers side and my father is white so I never really identified with him as he never spent time around me or picked me up from school and instead just worked. My mother instructed me on everything and was very strict, didn't allow me to go outside even until 17. I just became more masculine when puberty hit and I felt wholly attracted to girls, my dreams were about them and I felt an intense attraction to women in general, teachers and in porn/media.
I just didn't fully understand the differences between the genders until I found this site, so I never really had any guidance in how to act around girls and how I was supposed to pursue the ones I was attracted to or how to notice the signs they reciprocated or why self denigrating humor, being passive, near constant inaction and lack of any self respect might not be what girls want.
>Seriously stop watching porn and gain some willpower
How? Loneliness, escapism, low moods, dealing with traumatic memories it helps with all of this the feeling has just intensified even more since I started losing my heterosexuality and now I crave to make myself as fem as possible for assertive men. What happened? I never even used to get off to femdom 100%, more like 30% regular joi's where the girls were nice compared to 70% degradation.

>>13443631
Is this OC? Very nice anon

>>13447215
>I was always effeminate as a child
>I could never relate to my father
>he just worked and never spent time with me

Yes I thought so, a common tragedy given your case. As well as more time with ones mother. I have found in childhood's like your own it is either worse or better than how one describes it, so which one would you be?

I shall not describe your case yet but rather find further information before I can so. Tell me what exactly were the feelings in your childhood to your father. Tell me did you feel or know yourself to be effeminate or weak as a child? Are you still a virgin, if not have you ever engaged in intimacy with another man? Tell me some of those dreams in the recent years which one remembers vividly

>Loneliness
Ahh yes also a common, as well as escapism but you know anon you must embrace your current reality as well as your reality of old for often the greatest of men have been those who have known great difficulty within their lives. Take Wagner as example, the greatest artistic genius to ever of lived.

"My King, I am not well: life has become a burden for me, and my artistic labours are far from easy. The whole effort, moreover, of reviving so strange a work as Tristan has left me very tired. What depresses me is not the malice of the world -- but the extreme difficulty of working effectively and creatively, so that I feel like a stranger, almost like a fool, in this world of ours, and in this century." Munich, 5 July 1865, to King Ludwig II of Bavaria

Frequently telling Liszt that he had wished to die. His last words being "Love--Tragedy". Art is the highest product of mans soul, tell me friend do you believe in spirit? However no book, or ideology or religion shall help you in your struggles. For what you must find and divide is for yourself, and within yourself. You must find strength from within (bare me well for this is great knowledge that sadly often is only known by the man once he hath experienced it) for everything without is only a product of within.

cont(do not reply yet)

>>13447215
>>13447275
.Do not depend on others. Depend only upon yourself and in doing so confront your shadow. This is not a call to self degeneration but a call to self identification and reunification. Identify the most degenerative parts of oneself within the shadow, find your total oppositional duality; find the figure which represents that and takes upon that form and incorporate it into oneself. It has been called many differing things by many differing peoples, Individuation, spiritual enlightenment, Nirvana, Moksha, etc. Find and draw from that the will to survive, the will to life and the will to power - the will to the rejection of life. Return from your shadow, return from your anima(the feminine and weak and make the strong and feminine ideal, craft forth is so as to be a part on yourself, oneself yet without rejecting who you truly are and have always been - the masculine ideal), return from the duality and unify the opposites. Become one and draw strength from within not a strength of the continual but a strength of being in itself. And now return from those meditative depths, as the wise man in the cave. All products of man are expressions of man, all truth is expression of man the sciences, philosophy, psychology, history, art, language, etc. Use these outside structures to exemplify that inner self, that inner strength - as expressions of oneself and ones inner will.

Nietzsche was close to understanding the Ubermensch but he never quite did for he was tainted by by the touch of both Angels and Demons. The Ubermensch is not a man that rejects the outer world, he does not reject the great knowledge of the past, he does not reject the great men of the past and he does not reject the men of the present in hope of individual achievement and supersession. But instead he accepts truth and all its forms; and so all expressions of man the artistic, the scientific, the philosophical, the psychological, the linguistic, the sports, the religious, the occultist, etc. He accepts them as expressions of himself, as exemplifications of his inner will of both collective and individual existence. And most importantly he understands his place and his value in no wish of insecurity to prove himself but to only heighten himself to whatever rocky tops he may climb. He hath no fear of the inferior itself and so is in no need of the delusion of the superior itself.

This what Hitler meant, when he stated: "Do not compare yourself to others. If you do so, you are insulting yourself."

For Life is a tragedy and you must live it, just as the tragedy on stage it is a self contained one and its artistic nature is birthed yet you, you are this tragedy, you are the actors and you are the audience. All of that which is art is contained with you for you are the art my friend!!!

>>13442906
Your understanding of the Tao starts and stops with the ying and yang. While Taoism tends to favor the feminine, it favors individuality above all else. If ones Tao were to be masculine then one should be masculine. Taoism would never prescribe an "all X should be Y" mode of thinking. Taoism has no preferred human aesthetics and nearly all Taoist art is of nature not of humans.

>>13447275
>Tell me what exactly were the feelings in your childhood to your father.
Seemed rough compared to my mother, very little speaking on the rare chance we would do things together I felt a little anxious and not at ease compared to when I was around the woman.
>Tell me did you feel or know yourself to be effeminate or weak as a child?
Sort of but I was just overly happy and I didn't feel more effeminate until I looked back and remembered others opinions of me at the time telling me I'd turn out gay etc. I had male interests but there was 2 months around when I was 8 that I got the intense desire to be a girl and I wanted to ask if it was possible but it didn't seem right so eventually I just forgot about it. Crossdressed some during this period. At school I would hit myself on the head and cry whenever I was ostracized by my peers or hit the ground or just get frustrated, the only help I got despite displaying this behavior for years was being told to breathe deeply. I'd fantasize about being an abused girl before I went to sleep when I was still asexual so it just felt good but no arousal.
>Are you still a virgin, if not have you ever engaged in intimacy with another man?
I'm a virgin despite feeling girls up and having them sit in my lap, hug me, hold hands but its never gone farther than that, No intimacy with other men because I only began to get bisexual urges in the last year. Before that I just crossdressed and never felt any desire or attraction to men. I was only ever attracted to girls and there was no attraction to guys. When puberty hit I imagined specific girls in my head and masturbated to them after porn at 11.
>Tell me some of those dreams in the recent years which one remembers vividly
Aged 11-19 I only had dreams about girls, usually involving them rubbing against my crotch (often had wet dreams to this) or me complimenting them with no arousal just a really good feeling when I woke up. I also became infatuated with Summer Glau and tried to lucid dream with her in them but again it was just a dream where I barely talked and just stared at her and made small talk. Then at 19 I had already had nightmares for 6 months when I was 17 and the bullying had gotten really bad, I had started crossdressing with arousal at 18 and at 19 I had two dreams total of imagining I was a female version of myself in female clothes sitting in this guys lap and making him be nice to me. All the nightmares up until that point had been me trying to hit him and missing or throwing weak punches, usually woke with me in fear and cold sweats, trembling. I didn't have any other homosexual dreams like this and I barely have dreams now because I can't sleep for more than 5 hours.
It sounds like I was always like this but you have to understand I felt like a normal straight male aged 10-20, just a crossdressing fetish along with a femdom fetish, I still constantly fantasized about being with women as a male and I was at peace on my own aged 18-20

>>13442839

Get a life, Jews!

>>13442824
Source on that webm?

>>13447537
Nvm, I found it. It's a shame that twink doesn't look like that full time

>>13447506
Almost all cases of homosexuality can be traced back to childhood as well as proto-homosexuality which isn't homosexual in itself as it can lead to an array of cases. You seemed of fallen for the homosexual one. I'll write more about this in a sec but first I'll reply to your other posts.

>Sort of
I see, this also tales into the case of proto-homosexuality which I shall talk of soon enough.

>I'm a virgin
Yes it is fitting together anon.

>Aged 11-19 I only had dreams about girls
I didn't mean only sexual anon but alas. It shows to me that your dreams at the stage of your younger period were your desires to become the masculine, to dominate the woman, and to push away your effeminacy by the consummation of masculinity - losing of ones virginity. Of course this is just symbolic of asserting the masculine which you may do in any way which does so however it plays a part of becoming an adult especially in our society and especially when you aren't a voncel but an incel. Your later dreams seem to suggest a giving in to these desires, you are weaker to this urge now. You only want that masculine to accept you, to win it over and for you to become it. Keep all of this last paragraph in mind for my next post as it will all make great sense soon.

Btw how strong are your attractions for women currently also how you didn't answer my question on spirit. Do you believe in it?

cont

>>13446089
I don't think Charls "the midget" is a kike though.

>>13447506
>>13447696
Though the sexual component of homosexuality is a covert by the individual for his repressed Fatherly desire, for the masculine fulfilment as often you find among male fags at young ages a sense of insecurity and self doubt - not living up to his Father, feeling lesser then him. This desire is transmuted into a sexual one often by older homosexual men finding young unknowing fags in their mid to late teens as this is a very common phenomenon. The man now understands this embracement to be the closest he has gotten to such fatherly fulfilment of the masculine and so he accepts himself as powerless below it and identifies with it - and so homosexuality can be said to be a neurosis, a psychological disease while homosexuality as a movement is so much more yet can be defined by its stem as the self identifying with this transmutation. This man has now identified with this cancer of the mind and embraces it out of both a rationalisation as well as addiction. Often the case is (for men) the father was quite harsh o-r showed little or no love/interest for the child even if he may of been present physically; the child often has a very dominant mother figure within their life or have say gone to girls schools or had only female role models or idols within their childhood. It is also almost entirely certain that there exists a chemical predisposition to effeminacy by imbalance of sex hormones say higher amounts of oestrogen. A ton more to this and believe me this is only the absolute surface on the homosexual question however there is also most definitely also a sexual factor prior to this transmutation of the fatherly desire as seen in cases of many if not all homosexuals claiming to of had their first sexual fantasy's of their father not just at teenage hood but also erotic fantasy's during childhood. No less necessarily a covert but it seems to suggest something innate with the homosexual that the man desires not just a "masculine reunification" such as the intimacy within it. There is no doubt the topic is a complex one as is everything relating to the human mind. To what extent the homosexual depends upon the inborn or the experience it is this same complexity and difficulty, likely it varies yet none the less the truth remains it is both - whether only an imbalance of sex hormone along with childhood experience or a certain systematic occurrence of events many of which the man may of forgotten or de-/exaggerated with no factor of innate or perhaps there exists some sexual element already and through an even more so complex series of events proto-/homosexuality is produced.

Nothing good shall ever come from the rationalisation or acceptance of a disease which may be curated.

cont

>>13447120
Estrogens and all the other shit in the environment can most likely fuck your shit up even before you were conceived. The only winning move in life is not to play.

>>13447144
I'm pretty sure "pretty" and "masculine" are mutually exclusive terms, but lets say you can be pretty and masculine and still be a faggot.

>>13447181
>How do kids even find porn that young?

How can anyone even ask such a naive question during the age of the intershits?

>>13442836
it makes men look like weird uncanny valley freaks. men are supposed to be ugly.

>>13447506
>>13447696
>>13447735
Do not transmute that Fatherly/masculine desire for assertion into a sexual one. Any homosexual experiences you may of had as a child they were simply fantasy's for, to shew your desire to reunite with your father as you were in womb, this is not a sexual desire but a paternal one. The closest many homosexual men get to fulfilling this fatherly desire is by the embracing of another man completing the transmutation of the desire into a sexual one (yet never irreversible) and so homosexuality can be said to be the identifying with this now apparently sexual desire and so the identification with a neurosis - a psychological cancer. The sexual component was always a false one, always a covert for your fatherly bonding - and now it may be achieved as degeneracy incarnate if you give into the easy.

You must strive for greatness anon, once you have reached the most degenerate parts of oneself you must return - as I stated:
>>13447275
>>13447313
Become the masculine ideal for you have more power over yourself, and over physic and your physique than you think. Once you have asserted your own value from within(that does not to say only find value from the individual subconscious and ego but your "self" which is composed both of collective and individual and so you must understand both and both's value) you shall understand the value of epigentic's and the effect sheer will has on them. And the ability of the psychological - you transcend the physical and become masculine. However do not misunderstand that statement only as it means you do not rely but it relies upon you, it is your choice to become the ideal, and the masculine - this is the fundamental fact which all must struggle through life to understand. Often repeatedly.

One must understand the importance of self perception for it also has an innate effect(and social), as well as the given innate already present. All those who are "gay" only chose to be gay, all those who are dead only choose to be dead and all those who are alive will to be alive. You must understand your choice as both being touched by angel's and demons and in yourself as great as them for they exist within you as much as they do not.

>>13447215
>hapa

Never had a chance. Just become a tranny.

>>13447696
>Btw how strong are your attractions for women currently
If I go without digital media and masturbating to porn for a week and spend time around others then I feel more like a male and I feel attracted to women as a male in person, I just look at them though I don't fantasize as much as I used to. I can feel extremely aroused by images of women after even just a few days without digital media. Still I can't control my thoughts when I masturbate so I just get homosexual thoughts while imagining myself as a more feminine version of myself. Complete rewiring of the brain it used to be I'd force myself to imagine this to finish quicker but now I can't think about anything else when I masturbate. On the day that I quit masturbation I get strong urges to have sex with assertive men and on the day I resume it I writhe around in bed before I sleep wanting to get fucked. If I'm bored or have too much time alone between the days I get these thoughts too but my desires for women i.e. hold one by the waist while she looks into my eyes and knees my balls are really strong when I'm outside and around them.
>>13447735
>This desire is transmuted into a sexual one often by older homosexual men finding young unknowing fags in their mid to late teens as this is a very common phenomenon.
>The man now understands this embracement to be the closest he has gotten to such fatherly fulfilment of the masculine and so he accepts himself as powerless below it and identifies with it
Is it possible a bully could awaken this in yourself if he is adamant about the fact that you are a homosexual even though up to that point and years after you were only attracted to girls and you replay the traumatic memories over and over again and you were completely helpless to him and you had to just be as nice and appeasing as possible, even hugging him once completely non sexually or romantically just to try and make him remember you don't have any hatred for him?
He'd sometimes grope you or slap you around and you couldn't do anything back due to learned helplessness after years of this happening with other males.
>One must understand the importance of self perception for it also has an innate effect(and social), as well as the given innate already present.
My self schema is that I see myself as plagued by inaction around women, I have no charisma, no assertiveness, no ability to protect them, no mental or emotional resilience, submissiveness, mental illness, subhuman, latent homosexuality etc
I mean as soon as I started to develop physical sensations of anxiety, pounding heart rate for hours as reactive anxiety, then developing intense dread a few years after despite being out of the present danger, feelings of impending doom, trembling, feeling cold, all of these sensations just made me lose any belief of spirit for those who are mentally ill. I only think medication would work and originally the killing of my libido bothered me with the other reasons but now its preferable

>>13442824
i could tell he was a man from the thumbnail alone
i can understand being fooled by a troon if you only have an edited face picture from a particular angle, but if the entire body is visible there is no excuse you need to get your eyes checked

>>13446005
Intense, intense self-loathing, dark night of the soul type stuff, tons of philosophy, metaphysics, trying to get at the problem, and then the gym. But the number one thing: stopped masturbating, stopped porn, had to de-sexualize my mind. What the porn is doing to you, you'll never know.

I naturally incline towards my male energy, at least when the chips are down. There was something in me that was looking at not just myself, but the kinds of images these sites inundate us with, the kinds of patterns and hyper-sexualized heuristics they program into us, and I felt nothing but profound, profound disgust

I scroll through /v/ now and just laugh and fucking laugh at the waifuposting. You have no idea how pathetic and thirsty some of you people sound. No fucking idea.

>>13447737
To an extent yet it is just like all other variables - at the same time it is not destined that you will be effected by these things. My parents raised me ideally with the perfect diet, substances around and generally /fit/ lifestyle.

>>13447749
Never said you can't be pretty and effeminate only that the typical "pretty boy" chad is usually masculine. Just look at brad pitt when he was younger - or me now.

>>13447759
>How can anyone even ask such a naive question during the age of the intershits?
Well excuse fucking me I was raised Christian and I didn't fucking find it that young.

>>13447761
>Cope incarnate
Now I'm against men using makeup for an array of things however your last statement that men are supposed to look ugly is utter bullshit. Morphological attractiveness of both males and females and in this case the attractiveness of the face is based upon biological advantages. For example a strong Jaw is attractive in a man because it is a testosterone marker, it represents stronk, athleticism, confidence, etc all highly valued prospects in a mate and so much more. For in today's post-ape existence it doesn't only hinge on the basic desires for survival. Even things such as a refined straight nose are attractive to women as not every attraction is based on sex hormones but an array of other biological advantages. In women's case it is big eyes, somewhat puffy lips, less square jaw, wide waste and large tits. All also pertaining biological benefits. One also see's these same feminine attractiveness features in say children or also have more fat on their faces, big eyes, puffy lips, etc. Men instinctively desire to protect the effeminate except in the case of children and cats it is a non sexual desire while for the woman it is both sexual and platonic. There are thousands in both genders. However mentality also plays a part hence the reason why a man may see love at first sight just from the image of a women or after a few seconds of seeing her behaviour.

Men generally however have the ability to look past just basic attractiveness to the "character" of an individual. Take Schopenhauer as an example, he isn't the best looking guy but he has an attractive and interesting looking character about him as well as all great men in history regardless of their base morphological attraction. Women from my experience lack this ability to see the "character" of someone as the necessity of the base attraction plays an utmost importance of their existent which is a reliant one. However both forms of attractiveness can almost be not sacrificed for the other.

>>13447817
>I repressed my feelings with intense self loathing and weight lifting
I did this too and I thought it was working but I got more and more depressed and almost drank myself to death, then I realised all the old feelings were still there.

>>13447804
>If I go without digital media
Do this anon, stop. After say 14 days your testosterone levels spike rapidly and I found my muscles grew way quicker and easier when I stopped dating for a month. It seems the sodomic element of porn has greatly increased your homosexuality though I'm sure you're familiar with such effects so I wont continue on this subject. Just don't watch porn, and if you are addicted (which it seems you are) try just watching lesbians and then something like just girls in bikini's like my webm. Try to focus on the platonic beauty of the feminine ideal which I shall post two more pictures of. Just remember there exist older fags which come after young men like yourselves knowing in your un-knowing and prey like situation. It's a common phenomena that both the perpetrator and young fags admit.

>Is it possible a bully could awaken this
Yes I would say it is possible, perhaps a certain predisposition which was awoken by your unease being mix-raced. Which is also an extremely common phenomena - "to men jumping out of the one person" as Charlton Heston put it in the film Diamond Head. You must take in all possibility's and follow which one you intuitively believe to be true. Perhaps a complex which is itself a mix between the racial and homosexual aspect but neither one alone. As they may be tied together in this father figure in which you desire but you felt distant from in many ways but one being racially. You should of stuck up for yourself anon, and you still may. It's quite common for the bullied boy to learn that this whole time it was all within his power to step up and fight back. How exactly did he grope you anon? He might of suffered from some sodomic or just pubescent interest himself and found its expression in yourself.

>My self schema is that I see myself as plagued by inaction around women, I have no charisma,
Well you are in luck anon. I just happen to be very good looking, tall, charismatic and an intuitive social understanding. I worked it out in highschool and eventually it just became an unconscious process (hence intuitive yet it remains something new to itself as well) and am very good with women. My superior intellect and morphology allowed myself to go from self-humiliating jokes to the guy every women wants and no man can stand up to without being mogged.

>physical sensations of anxiety
A common effect for those who suffer from some other conditions whether psychological your case) or biological as in ADD and other co-morbid conditions. Stop taking the pills, the will not be helping either with your male sex drive. Go outside and face your fears. There are those that can persevere through these difficult feelings, the ultra masculine however do not sink into self pity from this. You cannot face it because you only believe you cannot face it. Rationalise it as what it is and find faith in God and faith in yourself. Continue with any questions whether related to social life or your psyche.

>>13447804
>>13447914

I shall say this, there exists a mystical element of life that pertains within itself something we call spirit. Occasionally it may be said man is in turn himself pertained the sacred - a something which has always embodied that "other" of life by the the knowing and being of man and life and the constant flux between the two. This duality of being - for it would not be right to say man - has itself always been this "other", and this other has always been man - the self, all along - a truth he must evade for his own existence as being, a being which suffers, a being which perceives, and a being which endures.


Remember:

"The soul that sees beauty may sometimes walk alone."

- Goethe.

>>13447834
>>13447914
>>13447928
>third pic to top it off

>>13447937
>tfw forgot pic

>>13447275
holy shit man, your posts makes me think you have class. very thoughtful.

>>13447870
sorry, but indulgence vs. repression is a false dichotomy.

there's a third option that your corporate overlords will never let you know about: disengage, disidentify, and detach.

>>13447914
>Just don't watch porn, and if you are addicted (which it seems you are) try just watching lesbians and then something like just girls in bikini's like my webm.
I tried this before, I self inserted as the submissive girl being abused in lesbian porn but I always revert back to being dominated by men even though visually I'm not really attracted to them although its more how they make you feel. The stimulation the webm provides just confuses me like a lot of other imagery, I look at the things she wears, her hips her face everything about her and the majority of my brain at this point wishes I was her and about 10% at times feels attracted to her as a male, but this just seemed so impossible before even though I wasn't unattractive due to inaction and being paralyzed around girls and feeling comfortable enough to just masturbate and enjoy my time around them if they chose to initiate. The regret would come later. If I was in person and she walked past me I wouldn't want to be her though, I'd just feel attracted by her, it could just be that I'm repressing these desires in person but I have felt occasional jealousy in person too.
>How exactly did he grope you anon?
Just running his hand up my leg and this was when I still didn't realize he genuinely believed I was gay I thought he just realized how weak I was and was punishing me for it because I had no doubts about my sexuality. So usually in these situations I remained stock still and just paralyzed from the fear and the main worry was to not look like he was getting a reaction from me when from his end all these times and the times he slapped me or was telling me I was a faggot it probably seemed like I enjoyed it at the time or the silence was an admission. It seems all the males who were the most sadistic to me in my developing years in educational institutions all had older brothers, others who did things to be for long periods of time would at least treat me like a human a lot of the time.
I remember drawing a portrait of a girl 2 years above me as I was good at copying faces who I was infatuated with when I was 15 and I used to walk home with her and compliment her so easily because I couldn't stop thinking about her for years, she was completely unattainable outside of these interactions, I'd feel an aching feeling in my heart whenever I'd picture her in my mind or look at her. Sometimes I get clear memories of how she looked when I told her all of these things even now and I remember how clear my sexuality was back then even till the age of 20.
>the ultra masculine however do not sink into self pity from this.
I realized recently just how self pitying I am around people, I feel the need to humble myself and make myself as small and quiet and as nonthreatening as possible around others because I'm worried about their opinions on me, I always say things to get others to sympathize with me practically unconsciously at the time, it just seems natural for me to say these things

>>13442824
>Sissy hypno " sissy training program"
Sissy Porn IS demonic and dangerous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnoRWVaLIJM&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_LjizYc7E8


faggoty is wrong and bad for you
>you will shit in a bag for the rest of your life see this his ass was destroyed
pus and shit and blood for life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaxYt2iAlMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFdFsQYDZjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdlcUnzjs0o

>>13447997
>holy shit man, your posts makes me think you have class. very thoughtful.
Thank you anon, I greatly appreciate it. To know it helps a fellow anon is some pleases me.

>>13447914
If you constantly replay these traumatic memories in your head where you were completely helpless and paralyzed by anxiety and you eventually sexualize the abuse to the point where it changes your sexuality, knowing you were always predisposed to homosexuality, the women you used to feel attracted to as male you instead want to become and seek protectiveness, stability and assertiveness in a partner, complete and total inadequacy socially around women and to an extent sexually (crying about the fact your dick would never grow past 5" when you were 13 as girls kept asking you what size it was) and now have significant mental illness on top of all of this and intense regret of not pursuing girls when you were still heterosexual and even more intense regret of not being put on HRT and homeschooled when you were aged 8 when it was obvious what a worthless faggot you would inevitably become, the world seems the most difficult, competitive and cruel place it has ever seemed to you, most of your friends have come out of contact due to you isolating yourself as you were content with your own company and now you feel too old to pursue women and do the things you wanted to do as a teenager, could only get the dumb charisma/confidence around girls you needed with drugs or alcohol then what do you read to deal with all of this?

I keep on wanting to met up with someone I used to know and ask if they can just get me a decently attractive woman aged 18-35 to spend time with and all I have to show for all these years of surface level introspection is having consumed classic novels without understanding and what knowledge I read in this time I have already long forgotten. I could be around the most easily entertained women and I still wouldn't know what to say it just seems so natural for others.
This is an example of what I mean, when I was inebriated it would be so much easier
>>>/adv/21111516

>>13447096
>there FIXED

>>13448010
>I tried this before, I self inserted as the submissive girl being abused in lesbian porn but I always revert back to being dominated by men even though visually I'm not really attracted to them although its more how they make you feel.
So one could say it is more abstract rather than practical? Yes from your later remarks it seems like this also. Undoubtedly the constant traps and porn you watch does not help. Because it is abstract rather than you being sexual attracted to men you see in public it is of greater ease for you to help yourself - something which I have explained to do in previous posts.

>Just running his hand up my leg and this was when I still didn't realize he genuinely believed I was gay I thought he just realized how weak I was and was punishing me for it

When did you realise he genuinely believed this? And are you sure that is groping anon? It could very well just be pubescent curiosity which you often find in the male form as well as the female with same how they have odd games of slapping others asses or "sack wacking" not sexual at all usually. Tell me when he groped you as you say do you think of it sexually or just simply as I stated - boys being boys or do you think he was mocking your sexuality?

>I realized recently just how self pitying
Yes I understand, it is your means of achieving self value where in you cannot by normal human interaction with friends or with a lover. However it all seems to trace back to this father figure, your desire to be loved and your desire for the masculine - for the affirmation of this masculine and of yourself, a consummation of your own self value by "becoming a man" through intimacy with the father figure, Or at least intimacy is a common way to accomplish this desire at least within your mind hence the reasoning behind the homosexual aspects (or more likely just a predominant part) as what is more intimate than that of the consummation of all love and reality - sex. A self degenerating neurosis creates a self degenerates supposed "answer" so to speak. Though as I said before this accounts for the prime of the sexual factor however not it as a whole. However once you know this prime true, this causing factor you shall help yourself. Often if you are an intuitive person or even if you are not the Psyche has a way of mulling over certain things subconsciously if you focus upon them. You must be in tuned with these forces however anon. Think upon yourself and all that I have stated on you - great and degenerate. Think over it and accept that you shall find an answer soon and let your psyche drift you the answer. As long as you are find that prime or at least are slowly uncovering it, you make a consistent effort to think and mull over it, and you trust in your Psyche's as a whole's trust in yourself - the ego. Than you shall become great as the ideal masculine as you once were as a child and yet as great as you have never been.

Platonic beauty.

>>13448096
>>13448136
I love you anon I really do, you must realise your self value regardless on what the masses think. That girl on the bus you should of stated -

"so where you of to?" and let the conversation branch off from there such as "well I'm going back to my home town, been a while since I've been there, what's in enter her destinations name here"

Or if you'r really that desperate get off the bus with her and "oh hey we're getting of at the same stop, you know what I'm going any way but would you like to get a coffee with me?". Just learn some social experience say at a club or bar (ignore the degeneracy's) and learn how to initiate conversation. Or tell someone you have extreme anxiety once you have drunk a few and the pub is picking up around 10 in vibes (approaching party mode). Whoever you are talking to that is. Say you don't usually do this and "any first tips heh" you say with a somewhat grinning face. And who cares what others think of you anon, especially if you are drunk just approach people with the best lines you know until it becomes natural. Then learn how to have a conversation until that also becomes nature. Then learn how to advance certain points in conversation and the unique aspects of that such as with women or differing types of people in general. Once you do these things they become unconscious understandings and so much more intuitive. The point it just have confidence for there is no reason not to - remember no reason not to and you are far more intelligent than the masses.

Try reading Jung or certain philosophers like the Socratic's, or writers like Goethe. Watch There Will be Blood. My suggestions are bad but it may help you understand what the "Masculine" is consciously. Though remember at the end of the day you must find strength from within - as I have said before and you should reread.

In Kabbalah for example it is taught that there is a value to nothing, that there is a state of nothingness before synthesis or in other words connection with God for that is what God was seen as, everything. Remember you must reach this state of nothingness, meaninglessness and the total degeneration of self value before you can reach the highest steps. Understand this and reread my posts

>>13442836
No one's saying men can use makeup, just don't be a fucking picasso about it.

>>13448136
>When did you realise he genuinely believed this?
Years after it happened when I started understanding more about submissive homosexuals aside from the most common stereotypes. I never wanted to pursue girls in school because I couldn't even look after my self let alone entertain a girl without being degraded in front of her at some point, didn't help that I had no independence and was never treated like a future adult male by my mother.
>And are you sure that is groping anon?
He used to run his hand up my leg to my crotch then call me gay, slap my ass, fondle with my head, critical of the way I dressed etc He just had such an intense hatred for me, insulting my family, telling me to end it
I have no social or psychological defense and I'm not equipped to manipulate and break others psychologically and a physical response wasn't allowed. By the time I arrived the anxiety had already broke me for each day making me completely docile.
>It could very well just be pubescent curiosity which you often find in the male form as well as the female with same how they have odd games of slapping others asses or "sack wacking" not sexual at all usually. Tell me when he groped you as you say do you think of it sexually or just simply as I stated - boys being boys or do you think he was mocking your sexuality?
He never saw me with girls because I couldn't pursue them, self sabotaged and denied myself to not draw attention to myself, when I socialized with guys I'd be so docile and self pitying it just seemed like I was a self hating homosexual. I'd care too much about my appearance, I'd only laugh around males there was no other reason for me to not pursue girls. Even girls who were interested in me at the time and I didn't understand the signs asked me once if I'd be fine with crossdressing if they ever brought clothes in for me, at the time I would've agreed to anything a girl asked of me just out of degradation and I didn't realize they would perceive me as a being gay because of it, no longer showing interest in me afterwards aside from telling me a manbun would suit me. Then when I left and isolated myself from people when I saw those who I used to know acting strange and ignoring me at first I realize they all believed I was a homosexual, that's when all of this started to accelerate and I started to masturbate every 2 hours in a near constant state of arousal and anxiety. Even my family thinks the reason I isolated myself was because I was a homosexual the entire time (invalidates everything I went through) when it was always the anxiety. I had always gotten off to my insecurities being degraded via femdom pov's so I saw no problem with it at first until eventually self inserting as the trap/tranny/femboy in gay porn when I eventually wasn't bothered by the lack of a vagina.
>>13448217
I will do.

>>13447762
>This what Hitler meant, when he stated: "Do not compare yourself to others. If you do so, you are insulting yourself."

>>13447914
>Well you are in luck anon. I just happen to be very good looking, tall, charismatic and an intuitive social understanding. I worked it out in highschool and eventually it just became an unconscious process (hence intuitive yet it remains something new to itself as well) and am very good with women. My superior intellect and morphology allowed myself to go from self-humiliating jokes to the guy every women wants and no man can stand up to without being mogged.

Fuck out of here with your bullshit. Your writing couldn't be more pretentious fat fuck

>>13448235
>Years after it happened when I started understanding more about submissive homosexuals aside from the most common stereotypes. I never wanted to pursue girls in school because I couldn't even look after my self let alone entertain a girl without being degraded in front of her at some point, didn't help that I had no independence and was never treated like a future adult male by my mother.

You are likely exaggerating what they thought of you. Boys commonly just spew the word faggot and gay especially if one kid is just quiet and especially around that early pubescent age. Find confidence and no longer degrade yourself in front of females or anybody for that matter, even yourself by cross dressing or fantasising.

>He used to run his hand up my leg
Again seems just like pubescent boys - who gives a fuck anon what he thought.

>He never saw me with girls because I couldn't pursue them
Many young men didn't pursue women until they're much older. Girls were attracted to you, who gives a fuck if you had cringe teenage story's and romance or romance failures - everyone fucking does. You must assert your own masculinity, do you admit this - yes. Then why do you not assert yourself as such or at least try? And don't give me any "but it's difficult because I know for a fact you can will this for if the only intent you have is to remain as you are then there is no point in talking of this. For it may be hard but it is never impossible, no matter how long. Now answer my previous questions and this, do you intend to assert oneself?

We must stop this self pitying only talking of difficulty, you must understand how and why you must assert yourself. And stop watching fucking porn or at the least just watch solo women in a bikini acting hot, nothing fucking more since it brings out your degenerate tendency's.

>I will do.
That's more like it anon, I believe in you and you can do this, incorporate unconscious aspects of yourself to your conscious mind. You can do it anon, and because of this you shall do it. Have a shower now and lift some weights/watch a film/read if it's daytime and if it's night time have said shower and go to bed. You must organise your life. Next Friday or Saturday go to a pub around 10 or 11 and meet some people and trust me it isn't difficult. Or just chart with those old men which go to the pubs, they love to talk and because of how much they talk you don't have to do much and you can learn a lot though they are there before night around 4, 5 and 6. Just try going there and browsing on your phone if nothing's happening and if something is happening try talking with people as I said - just believe in yourself and understand people don't worry as much as you do as well as the fact that you don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks because you are that confident and masculine

cont

>>13448235
>>13448328
Remember

"The most frequent manifestation of the anima takes the form Erotic fantasy. Men may be driven to nurse their fantasy's by looking at film and strip tease shows, or by day dreaming over pornographic material. This is a crude, primitive aspect of the anima, which becomes compulsive only when a man does not sufficiently cultivate his feeling relationships-when his feeling attitude toward life has remained infantile."

- Jung

>>13448258
>Fuck out of here with your bullshit. Your writing couldn't be more pretentious fat fuck
You seem to suffer from some quite severe jealousy anon, my my I wouldn't think that would be good for the health - likely the reason you'r as alone as you are. All likely caused by some unconscious complex that you ridicule me for identifying now yet you shall identify yourself.

Why is it you become so offended by myself desiring to help an anon, a "fren". Why do you find yourself so wound up by a few small statements? I would infer you to calm down and have a beer though it seems that would only increase your anger. Try to relax and mull over your reasoning behind such a statement after all as Jung once said what anger's us most often teach us the most about ourselves.

>>13442866
>concieved ideas of masculinity
Most of the people who discuss ideas of masculinity now have never worked a hard day in their life. These same faggots put on makeup to look more attractive. They are faggots. The Gay is just festering through novel pathways.

>>13448235
Oh and one more thing anon (I am the fren that has been talking with you) I am going to sleep now so goodnight. I shall talk further with you tomorrow so keep the thread open - I am quite enjoying this.

Remember what I have said and follow these instructions:
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These contain all there is necessary to help you. See you tomorrow anon.

Hapas never had a chance. Sorry OP