/lit/ - Literature

>female
>authors
lmao

Is he gonna survive Winds?

>Sure, you may have nutted in my waifu, defiled her body in unspeakable ways, sired wiry-haired bastards in her fertile valley, but there is a side of her that you can never know. That part of her is mine and mine alone, and you can never touch it. So who really won in the end?

Almost finished with pic related and it's been good so far. I'd say the writing is comparable to David Gemmell except told in first-person narration. So I'd highly recommend this if the idea of Gemmell-style Heroic Fantasy in a Native American setting appeals to you.

>>13430158
any slutty skinwalker girls?

>>13430176
Yes.

>>13430053

Read something new for the week.

>>13430629
God bless you, anon, for your terrible smut, brainless litrpg's and western chinkshit.
Your hard work is appreciated, and you have provided entertainment for dozens.

>>13430629
Anyone who reads litrpg garbage should be gassed.

>>13430629
>N.B.Books
What does this mean?

>>13430708
Short for nota bene, which means note well.

Your top5 go

Think I'm gonna start in on some bad bitches S&S that I'm sure is cheesy as hell, but the fact that Quorthon from Bathory dedicated a song this series (or at least to the writer) means I cannot NOT read it.

If I want to show someone how enjoyable Wolfe's writing can be, what's a good book to start them off with? Would Latro in the Mist be too much?

Which one of these should I buy? I know he's in the public domain and I don't technically need to buy anything but lets put that to one side for the moment.

>>13430690
>Anyone who reads should be gassed, they should just shitpost like me.
FTFY

>>13430787
Mu-fags need to be gassed.

>>13430829
Tell me where you live, prince of fags.

>>13430806
The Fifth Head of Cerberus (the short story)

>>13430814
The one that most shows his fear of sea life, asians, and blacks.

>>13430834
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500
Come at me faggot bitch.

Lol anon. I made you work for it and now you're paranoid and waiting till last inches of page 10.
Rent free.
>>13430735
>Last post

>>13430053
I want to do a book about an evil mage becoming undead but liches have been so overdone lately. What's a contrarian type of undead I can use? Or should I just make one up?

>>13430740
Babel-17, The Invisible Man, Monday Starts on Saturday, Do Androids Dream of Electrical Sheep, and Lord of Light.
Based collection, SF Masterworks is the best scifi series.

>>13430906
Mage sells his soul to Hades for immortality. He would look human, wounds would "heal" (seal) back up like up like silly putty, he would not bleed, nor breathe, can not die even if burnt to ashes and scattered across continents (they would just dissolve into the ether and reconstitute).
The catch is that after 10k years, Hades takes him down to his realm. Now that the mage is immortal, he is ironically spending his time researching a way to live after the due date Hades has set.

>>13430906
>You're an evil mage, the dark lord, the world hates you and there are prophecies written about your downfall at the hands of the chosen one. You finally get what's coming to you and are defeated and killed by your hordes of enemies. Ah, but if only death could stop you so easily, you are one prepared and paranoid dark wizard so you put contingencies in place in case you died before you could skull fuck the world. Thousands of years pass, the world has forgotten you, magic still exists but without a world ending threat to drive innovation it has stagnated and worse a lot of higher tier knowledge has been lost. Mages of today are a shadow of what they were in your day, if only you were anything more than a bag of bones in your grave you could rule the world in no time at all....And then one day it happens, a necromancer with delusions of grandeur with his own plans of conquering the world walks into the cave which lies upon your grave. Too lazy to do his own menial labour he reanimates the closest skeleton around, which is you but little does he know you're no mindless skeleton. As you gather your bearings and enjoy having sight and movement for the first time in a thousand years, you realize the problem...you're utterly dependent on the stupid necromancer for your energy and worse you have to do everything you're told. As you head to dig the latrine pit you come to terms with your situation and start plotting...

Don't forget to send me the royalty checks.

>>13430906
vampires, mummies, ghosts, and worm-that-walks' have precedent. beyond that there aren't many other forms of sentient undead

>>13430845
I'm gonna fucking rape you.

>>13431131
>>13430906
Thanks you two fools. Going and write a book with this and make a bunch of money on amazon. Your thoughts are now belong to me.

>>13431231
Please use lube. I'm dry down there.

>>13430906
Another Evil Mage in the far future, but not as powerful as the first one, resurrects them with necromancy, or allows it’s spirit to possess themselves or a sacrificial henchman.

>It's another dystopia where corporations have replaced government

>>13430806
Show him Peace

>>13431614
>looks outside the window

>>13430629
Which of these is the most degenerate?

>he isn't training in the number one Fiendgod Body Refining Technique: [Crimsonbright Diagram of the Nine Heavens]
cacklingcultivators.wav

What does /sffg/ think of the Silmarillion?

>>13431767
none of those are really degenerate. the closes it can think of is Daniel Black where the the dude s fucking his peasant wife that he turned into cat girl which is posses by the spirit of bastet in order to give birth to her self so bastet becomes his daughter who still wants his D.
there isnt really any GRI besides that in that list.

>>13431614
Wow, it's almost like that's a relevant social critique.

>>13431810
That's fucking disgusting.

I recently listened to the War Nerd podcast about post apocalyptic sci-fi, and it brought up an interesting point:
Why is it only conservative visions for the future we ever see in post apocalyptic fiction? Why is it the confederacy, Romans, Slavery, and suburbia that survives? It's not actually sensible.

>>13431838
Explain why not? Traditions and conservatism exist because they work.

>>13431838
What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>13431845
Of course most of these traditions died, or worked in an entirely different world. The conditions that allow Rome, or the American South, or the Suburbs to flourish are not the same as those that would exist after the nukes fall.

>>13431847
What do you mean? I believe my intentions were pretty clear with my post. Which part is confusing you?

>>13431873
Traditions have a fundamental ground of managing to work for people for at least hundred of years. It sounds way more safe to rely on that going liberal anarchy; but I only remember Romans in New Vegas and that's because the leader had a specific knowledge of history and vision.

>>13431845
I forgot to say:
The idea that "Conservatism exist because it works" is dubious at best. Conservatism exist because some people have an interest in it, same as any other ideology, and traditions can exist for a multitude of reasons.

In a piece of speculative fiction, the idea that socially regressive institutions are by default the most robust is entirely your own ideology shining through. Suburbia is not actually all that well suited to survival, the institutions that allowed for the creation of the American South's economy no longer exist, and requires very specific things to be in place and many assumptions have to be made for it to turn out this specific way. Yet it is done over, and over and over again.

>>13431896
But it's not traditional, it's artificial resurgence of dead ways. It's no different than Hoteps, or the people who put on white robes to play druids.

Caesar's legion in New Vegas is kind of annoying, because they actually had a really good idea going but then the execution is so very bad.

>>13431897
>The idea that "Conservatism exist because it works" is dubious at best. Conservatism exist because some people have an interest in it, same as any other ideology,

Fuck off, Marx.

>In a piece of speculative fiction, the idea that socially regressive institutions are by default the most robust is entirely your own ideology shining through.

No, it is a stark truth. Most authors just don't regress nearly far enough, however.

>>13431950
>artificial resurgence of dead ways
lol you are so fucking retarded. Thanks for shitting up the thread with your marxist garbage. There's already enough of those threads on this awful board, but no you had to come here because of a faggot podcast.

>>13431955
>Fuck off, Marx.

That's not actually really a Marxist view. It's more of a Zizek thing if you really have to bring in anyone like that. But more than that it's just obvious.

>No, it is a stark truth. Most authors just don't regress nearly far enough, however.

These societies are either dead, dying, or were artificially created and maintained. There is no reason to presuppose they are more robust.

>>13431965
It's not really marxist anon.

>>13431950
Yes, it is. It's simple "trusted and tried" idea. There is no reason to go any other, more dangerous and unexplored and unproven route, if you wish to survive. Now, how far back in history people will go and why, since apocalyptic scenario is literally like an eraser, is an interesting topic.

>>13431838
there a way to listen to that without being a patron?

>>13432011
They're so bad at computers that you can go on podcast addict and search for "War Nerd" right now and get the premium feed.

>>13431990
If it is such an eraser, why not try newer concepts, older but less right wing concepts, or just organically create something new through the process of survival?

>>13432026
I explained.

>>13432035
No you didn't. You said that people automatically gravitate towards "Trusted and tried" ideas, but ideas like feudal societies, the confederacy, slave societes in general, etc. were generally tried and found wanting.
There is less proven success in a confederate society than a soviet one, or a native american tribal society, or what else have you.
Communes (Especially religious ones) have existed longer and more succesfully than suburbia.

And if you are going to go conservative, regressive and ideological, why not caliphates? Why not pirate republics? And apart from A Canticle for Leibowitz, where are the catholic theocratic institutions?

>>13430787
I read it,it's pretty fun,Milf warriors fighting demons are my fetish

>>13432072
>but ideas like feudal societies, the confederacy, slave societes in general, etc. were generally tried and found wanting.
It took hundred years to "progress" from them. You don't realize how anarchic the society will be after apocalyptic scenario, you won't have the time or resources or strength to other "enlightened" ideas.
>There is less proven success in a confederate society than a soviet one
Come on dude.
>And if you are going to go conservative, regressive and ideological, why not caliphates? Why not pirate republics?
Sure, people close in history to those will likely fall back on them.

>>13431808
Simultaneously boring and absorbing. If you liked the LoTR appendices there's a chance you'll like it, or maybe find it too much of a good thing.

>>13432078
Sell me on it besides being "pretty fun." I'm not terribly interested if it's super smutty.

>>13432108
>Come on dude.

Come on yourself, you know it's true.

>It took hundred years to "progress" from them.

That's irrelevant, we have progressed.

>You don't realize how anarchic the society will be after apocalyptic scenario, you won't have the time or resources or strength to other "enlightened" ideas.

The strength, co-ordination and resources required to create these societies is exactly the problem.
You can't recreate the confederacy without a captive population of technologically and military inferior people with no hope of escape or support, you need a strong central military to enforce order, you need a stable surrounding society to trade your cash crops with, and you need to have no real external enemies of any note. Feudal states don't make sense in a society where land is not the principle gauge of wealth, which it never is in post-apocalyptic stories.

>>13432072
>but ideas like feudal societies, the confederacy, slave societes in general, etc. were generally tried and found wanting.

No, they weren't. They were found ideologically distasteful. In particular, abolition of slavery whenever it occurred was 100% Christian sentiment/pressure from European powers driven by that sentiment.

More importantly, there are only a very few society variations repeating across the history. The modern deviations from the usual staples like tribalism, feudalism, despotic monarchy, etc, have resulted from an immense influx of resources and availability of new technologies over the last less than three centuries. In an post-apocalyptic world these factors are generally postulated to disappear. Therefore reversal to something from the past is inevitable.

>>13432238
It's not true. Every single time communism has been tried is collapsed withing less than a decade with thousands of bodies on top of it.
>That's irrelevant, we have progressed.
Relevant in post-apocalyptic scenario.

>>13432239
>No, they weren't. They were found ideologically distasteful

The slave societies of Greece and Rome both fell because of other pressures than ideology, pretty explicitly as their ideologies and culture were borderline worshipped by those who brought them low. and the founders of the confederacy knew they had no chance in a straight fight against the union.

It's also simply not true that feudalism and despotic monarchy are the default from which all things must separate itself. Feudalism only existed for about one and a half millennium at most, and only in some parts of the world,, theocracy has had a longer life span, republics have existed for about as long.

>>13432245
I said "Soviet society" which, by my count, lasted from the October revolution to... well, depending on when you want to count the end of the soviets either the 70s, 80s, or 90s depending on what you count as "The End".
Unless you believe that the soviet ended with the introduction of democratic centraism, in which case it's true that it only lasted about a decade, but in that case you're either a hyper trotskyist, or a left communist, and I don't believe you're either.

>>13431838
>Why is it only conservative visions for the future we ever see in post apocalyptic fiction?
Is it?
And what are "conservative visions"?
If you mean a return to more traditional ways of living, the answer seems self evident, as the conditions which created these "conservative visions" were more limited in resources as a post-apocalyptic world would be, and would require similar organizing structures, due to similar conditions.

>>13432238
>Feudal states don't make sense in a society where land is not the principle gauge of wealth, which it never is in post-apocalyptic stories.

Your Marxist ignorance of history keeps showing. Feudalism did not arose from land "being the principle gauge of wealth". In fact, in countries that had more land than people for most of their history, like Russia, it was even stricter.

Feudalism generally arose as the means of maintaining an armed force in the situation when cavalry ruled the field and therefore warriors needed expensive equipment, and therefore a lot of people needed to work to support and provide a single warrior, and in absence of enormous wealth capable of sustained state bureaucracy and armed force that work needed to be decentralised. Much the same logic, as far as we can recognize, led to rise of the chariot-riding aristocracy more than 1.5 thousand years before.

Depending on how hard your apocalypse is, how much of population and technology is lost,
revival of feudalism may be a natural outcome.

>>13432072
>but ideas like feudal societies, the confederacy, slave societes in general, etc. were generally tried and found wanting.
That's absurd, they worked extremely reliable, evidenced by the fact that, at least in the case of slavery and feudalism, they l lasted for extremely long periods of time.
They were discarded because of a change in material circumstances of historical chance, the French revolution didn't happen because someone somewhere had a random idea, it was made possible by various factors which eventually lead to the downfall of monarchism in the west, the final defeat being the result of WW1, which most definitely wasn't predetermined or the result of some "moral choice" against it.

>>13432234
>I'm not terribly interested if it's super smutty
It is smutty,all the chracters spend the time either being stripped naked,chained on dungeons,escaping of said dungeons (naked of course) and some rape attempts.
But,it has a lot of Sword & Sorcery style action and some horror,blood and guts and all that.
oh and it's has some elements of norse mithology and the main bad is Hela.

>>13432277
>The slave societies of Greece and Rome

Fuck off, Marx. Only Sparta, Athens in the brief period of their maximum power, and Rome during the centuries of peak conquests, faaar before its fall, can be considered "slave societies". Furthermore, fall of Rome haven't changed the status of slavery in the society.

>It's also simply not true that feudalism and despotic monarchy are the default from which all things must separate itself.

But they are.

>theocracy has had a longer life span,

Theocracy is the same as despotic monarchy. Indeed, the idea that there is a difference is distinctly European.

>republics have existed for about as long.

For the overwhelming majority of their existence respublics were city-states confined to one specific region.

Are there any books like the Witcher that aren't written by fat p*lish people?

>>13430110
Who writes this meme shit?

>>13432378
No, you need an uncorrupted by western values mind to write something like Witcher.

>>13432338
>Your Marxist ignorance of history keeps showing

Feudalism is generally defined as a society where the defining relationship is landholding in exchange for service. If landholding is not important, it is not feudalism.

>In fact, in countries that had more land than people for most of their history, like Russia, it was even stricter.

That's... not relevant?
Russian feudalism was still centred around a relationship between landholder/lord and those who worked the land. The fact that there was less of a serf/vassal/lord/king pyramid because all owed fealty to the central power does not take away that ultimately the power was over who worked land.

>Feudalism generally arose as the means of maintaining an armed force in the situation when cavalry ruled the field and therefore warriors needed expensive equipment, and therefore a lot of people needed to work to support and provide a single warrior, and in absence of enormous wealth capable of sustained state bureaucracy and armed force that work needed to be decentralised. Much the same logic, as far as we can recognize, led to rise of the chariot-riding aristocracy more than 1.5 thousand years before.


Not only is that secondary, your example of Russia is a direct contravention of your state idea. Russian nobles did not maintain a decentralised system. Russian feudalism arose due to centralising power in a landholding central power. Serfdom in Russia was famously created by explicit central reform.

>Depending on how hard your apocalypse is, how much of population and technology is lost, revival of feudalism may be a natural outcome.

Not unless gusn are gone, and landholding becomes the primary means of obtaining wealth.
There is no need for a vassalage institution if guns exist and there is no need for serfdom is the central creator of wealth is manufacturing, or scavenging.

>>13430740
Hard to choose, but in this order:
>ubik
>a scanner darkly
>left hand of darkness
>palmer eldritch
>the stars my destination

>>13431845
According to ((((The War Nerd)))) this is wrong and Woke Progressivism, as the most perfect form of social organization, would obviously prevail in the free market created by the end of the world.

>>13432378
Well the pollack who created The Witcher "borrowed" heavily from Elric so maybe check that shit out.

>>13432362
Based and Crompilled

>>13431873
The basic idea is that the post-apocalypse looks a lot more like the world that created the Roman Empire or whatever than does The Current Year even if it's not an exact recapitulation.

>>13432370
>Fuck off, Marx. Only Sparta, Athens in the brief period of their maximum power, and Rome during the centuries of peak conquests, faaar before its fall, can be considered "slave societies". Furthermore, fall of Rome haven't changed the status of slavery in the society.

"Slave society" is indeed an actual marxist term, finally you have actually cried "Marxism" at something that is actually marxist.
And of course I was referring explicitly to Greek city states, Rome and the antebellum south when discussing slave societies. I never broke your taboos here.

>But they are.

But they are not, and I told you why not. They are not universal institutions, they only existed for a limited period of time, and they only make sense within a certain type of situation.

>Theocracy is the same as despotic monarchy. Indeed, the idea that there is a difference is distinctly European.

This is simply wrong. Iran right now is a theocracy, but it is explicitly not a monarchy, the Roman state tried being both a theocratic republic and a theocratic monarchy, the Christian theocracies (Including the American ones) were generally not despotic but bureaucratic.

>For the overwhelming majority of their existence respublics were city-states confined to one specific region.

Republics have existed for over 2000 years, 200 of which they have been globe spanning, and 500 of which they have been huge sprawling empires. City states are the classic manifestation of republics, but city states are also a logical way to structure a society post apocalypse, most societies start off small after all.

separate post got ignored, so i'll post here
just finished pic related and I enjoyed it immenselly. Everything worked for me, the story, the characters, the humour, etc. I had heard that the ending was disappointing to some people, but it wasn't for me.
what could you recommend me based on this? I know there are stand-alone novels but I want to try something else atm. I had heard good things about Prince of Nothing, how is it?

>>13432488
We don't like grimderp around these parts.

>>13432396
>Feudalism is generally defined as a society where the defining relationship is landholding in exchange for service.

By this definition feudalism hardly existed anywhere in Europe for most of middle ages. In fact, no later than mid-XI century an average feudal would have stabbed you to death for saying that his land is not his by birthright.

>If landholding is not important, it is not feudalism.

Ownership of land is important under every regime ever, so this stipulation is meaningless.

>That's... not relevant?

But it is. If land is more or less in abundance and what is important is control over people, your whole scheme tying feudalism to ownership of land goes belly up.

>Not only is that secondary, your example of Russia is a direct contravention of your state idea. Russian nobles did not maintain a decentralised system. Russian feudalism arose due to centralising power in a landholding central power. Serfdom in Russia was famously created by explicit central reform.

I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean, and I have no idea how landholding is relevant to the reform which was instituded explicitly to stop peasants from running to the lands of rich landownwers who could offer them better conditions, thus impoverishing lesser nobility which formed the main bulk of the army.

>>13432488
Captain Alatriste desu. I know it's not technically fantasy, and it does start off as an attempt to basically make YA educational. But stick with it.

>>13432511
These books are somewhat enjoyable, but the level of asshurt about the days of lost glory is off the charts.

>>13432488
Prince of nothing is more high fantasy grimdark than ambercrombie’s low fantasy.

>>13432388
A big tiddie goth girl

>>13432472
>This is simply wrong. Iran right now is a theocracy, but it is explicitly not a monarchy, the Roman state tried being both a theocratic republic and a theocratic monarchy, the Christian theocracies (Including the American ones) were generally not despotic but bureaucratic.

Your definition of theoracy appears to be every single state without a clear separation of church and state, which is virtually every state ever until relatively recently.

>>13432505
>By this definition feudalism hardly existed anywhere in Europe for most of middle ages. In fact, no later than mid-XI century an average feudal would have stabbed you to death for saying that his land is not his by birthright.

An average feudal lord would also have stabbed me for saying he didn't hold his land in the name of his lord who held it from God, so really that's just a nonsensical complaint.

If you can't see the central role of landholding in the feudal system in medieval Europe, then really the problem here is you.

>Ownership of land is important under every regime ever, so this stipulation is meaningless.

Now that's just disappointing anon.
In a government system like the one we have now, power and economics are not centred around land but capital, likewise I don't think you'll find that tribal societies, Bedouins, or the Mongol Empire gave two whits about landholding relationships..

>But it is. If land is more or less in abundance and what is important is control over people, your whole scheme tying feudalism to ownership of land goes belly up.


It... doesn't?
People were tied to the land in Russia, and ownership of land defined the central power structure. Through land you owned people, and wealth was derived from the use of the land.
It all comes back to land, and the landholding relationship.

>I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean, and I have no idea how landholding is relevant to the reform which was instituded explicitly to stop peasants from running to the lands of rich landownwers who could offer them better conditions, thus impoverishing lesser nobility which formed the main bulk of the army.

If you don't see how landholding is relevant to a reform that tied people to land, then you're just dumb anon. I'm sorry.

>>13432577
I want you to think of a definition of theocracy that is meaningful, does include every despotic monarchy, and does not include Iran or Rome.

Unless such a definition exists, your complaint is meaningless.

>>13432539
Is that your reading of it?
I got the opposite out of it desu, that it essentially mocks the very notion of trying to hold onto the empire.

>>13432426
Elric seems a bit to grand. I'm looking for something more down to earth if that makes sense.

I tried to do it friends, but I just couldn’t pull it off. I read prince of nothing and philosophical ramblings aside, I mostly liked it, so I figured I’d try aspect emperor. The first two were okay, but the great ordeal was a serious fucking slog to get through. Maybe only a third of the book, at best, was actual plot and not philosophical wankery. Then I tried the unholy consult and it’s just fucking godawful. I hate quitting books, but had to only a couple chapters in. Then I looked up what happens, and now I’m really glad I quit, because apparently there’s a whole other fucking series to come after that hasn’t been written yet. Fuck bakker right in his fucking ass.

>>13432390
Don't lie to me anon, I might have dropped the books because the prose read like it was written by an 13 year old Chinese sweat shop slave but I've played the games, I've seen the sjw schlock it's filled with.

>>13432621
The witcher isn't filled with SJW schlock man.
The closest you get is like... the existence of a cross dresser, but that person is explicitly not transgender.

>>13432628
>he doesn't know that elves living in ghettos are idealized versions of niggers

>>13432605
Waylander by David Gemmell.

>>13432590
Not him, but in a theocracy the priests are the group that is ruling the country.
Clearly, this wasn't the case in any Catholic despotic monarchy, but arguably in many protestant ones, where the King also happened to be the leader of the church.

Opposed to that you have Rome, who, with a more complex history, had the emperor being also the supreme priest (Ponitfex Maximus) thus, definitely being a theocracy during that time.
In the Iran there also seems to be a decent case as the head of state, the "supreme leader" is a scholar of Islamic law, and should thus be counted as the priest class.

I'm writing space opera and I'm having so much damn fun. Unapologetically. Weird ass alien races, space magic, wacky tech, xeno mumbo jumbo, I ain't even trying to suppress any of that.
Damn I actually forgot how enjoyable writing really is when I'm not trying to be all high brow and philosophical.
All I'm doing is put in the work and writing whatever feels like the best thing, while following the narrative. It's all so enjoyable and I'm feeling like I'm making progress.

>>13432607
Sing for me.

>>13432639
Uhhh, the fact that the alienages are an obvious parallel to real world political differences is not new, and is also present in the books.

>>13431986
>Zizek
You're in the wrong general, faggot

>>13432669
Read Starship Mage for inspiration.

>>13432495
Yes we do

>>13432743
No we don't. We all had a meeting and agreed. You weren't invited.

Give me books to read that give a good example of what a sci fi or fantasy writer should write like today.
please

>>13432785
Deathworlders is the golden standard for sci-fi

>>13432580
>An average feudal lord would also have stabbed me for saying he didn't hold his land in the name of his lord who held it from God

That is just profound ignorance on your part. Almost nobody in Europe "held" anything past Dark Ages. Landed aristocracy wholly owned their lands and could not be displaced by anything short of an outright conquest.

>I don't think you'll find that tribal societies, Bedouins, or the Mongol Empire gave two whits about landholding relationships..

That's again because you are profoundly ignorant. Sure, Bedouins and Mongols cared little about badlands numerous in their territories, but few people guarded their economically productive land as jealously as nomads, because the choice was to hold it by teeth and nails, try to find someone even weaker to displace if you're pushed off your land, or fucking die.

>In a government system like the one we have now, power and economics are not centred around land but capital,

And again this is a historical aberration based on an immense influx of resources and new technologies, both of which will disappear in a typical postapocalypse.

>People were tied to the land in Russia, and ownership of land defined the central power structure. Through land you owned people,

Except I've just pointed out that this was not true. In fact ownership of land was artificially tied to ownership of people for less than a century.

And in another fact ownership of army and monarchic tradition, that eventually grew from ownership of army, defined the central power structure.

>It all comes back to land, and the landholding relationship.

But it doesn't. Not to any greater degree than under every pre-modern regime ever.

>If you don't see how landholding is relevant to a reform that tied people to land,

Please explain how the reform that specifically happened because landholding by itself meant jackshit confirmed importance of landholding.

>>13430787
Nice butt

>>13432488
I'd recommend The Ties That Bind by Rob J. Hayes, it's more similar to Abercrombies stuff than Prince of Nothing.

these threads are shitty enough without some half-baked podcast argument

i am this close to letting tumblr know that Necronomicon translates to The Book of Dead-Names

Anyone has recommendations for some good fantasy for someone who likes Lord Dunsany, Tolkien, and Robert E. Howard and not much else that has been recommended to him so far within the genre?

>>13431702
>>13431813
The closest thing to a cyberpunk dystopia we currently have is China, and it's the government that controls the corporations there.

any good post apocalypse with really bizarre characters and world?

Why do authors always write teenage boys are retards and teenage girls as shrewd and strong?
If Teenage girls are so smart why do they keep getting pregnant lmao.

>>13431702
>look outside the window
>it's a post-communist shithole

Cyberpunk dystopia can't come fast enough

>>13433133
BOOK OF THE NEW SUN

and Canticle for Leibowitz

>>13433133
Dhalgren

>>13433182
Because they arrived at the age where they're smart enough to realize they were tards as teenagers but they're still so bad at understanding women they don't get teenage girls are just as idiotic.

>>13432945
Tell them Abdul Alhazred is not a real Arab name. Maybe that's the shit that drove him mad.

>>13433133
Jack Vance's Dying Earth

>>13433215
At least then well have robot waifus and virtual reality that interfaces with the nerves on your body so you can actually feel everything.

>>13433260
I mean it isn't, but if you made it an epithet, changed the spelling a bit, and pronounced it right you could actually make it something akin to "Abdul who senses the answer" (Answer in the sense of a reply to a question).
t is total coincidence, and you'd have to really squint to make it work.

>>13433305
My knowledge of Arabic is limited but Abdul means "slave/servant of" so it's not really a name - Hussein Abdul Al-Amiri would translate as Hussein Servant of the Prince, but Abdul can't stand on its own as a name.

>>13433215
You literally don't live in reality if you think the world is "Post-communist".

>>13433224
Canticle for Leibowitz is the opposite of bizarre. I mean their priorities seem whack, but I feel like having theological debates about the possible preternatural abilities of Mary as the world has been dissolved in nuclear fire is exactly the sort of shit the Catholic church would get up to.

>>13433287
I live in Eastern Europe m9-1, women here are top notch.

>>13433313
>You literally don't live in reality if you think the world is "Post-communist".
You realize he might live in the East Bloc?

>>13433319
I do >>13433317

>>13433317
Yeah but the downside is you live in eastern yurop.

>>13433324
Honestly, the only places I'd trade it for are Italy, Spain and Southern France. Other than that the world looks too gloomy to me or the people are not to my liking.

>>13433311
Abdul is indeed almost always a compound name, most frequently as Abdullah. (Servant of allah).or Abd-some other title of Allah.
As a matter of fact, having it be an independent middle name, as you use it in your examples, is why there is confusion, because then it becomes a word by its own.

This is why if you go non-arabic but muslim countries, you will actually find "Abdul" as a fully realised first name (Although usually spelled different).

>>13433341
>Abdul is indeed almost always a compound name
It's not almost always. It's always. Your name can't be just Abdul.

>>13433341
Yeah, it gets lost in translation - more so because Arabs called Abdullah are called Abdul. it's basically a Nigerian naming his son Mike instead of Michael.

>>13433357
Arabs named Abdullah are called Abdul, Jesus.*

>>13433354
I actually explained how it is totally a valid name on its own if you're a non-arabic muslim.
I don't want to pull rank here, but I do actually speak Arabic and I used to work in a falafel stand.

>>13433363
>the West gets falafel
>in the East, there's shawarma everywhere

Guess we just like calories and meat

>>13433376
I mean we also sold Shawarma, Mirkas and Kebab. But falafel was in the name, and it was by far the best selling non-hummus, non french fry ítem.

>>13433182
Maybe you should stop reading YA

>>13433338
Honestly most of yurop doesn't seem that bad. Friend of mine tells me all the shit said about the refugees is hugely exaggerated and its never reported in news that the majority is actually getting deported. I mean I've been there once during Oktoberfest and it was pretty nice. I also heard good things about Italy and Spain. It seems the refugee crisis seems to be greatly exaggerated in yurope. Only the UK, France and Sweden seem to really be suffering from a shitskin influx.

>>13431767
You want degenerate?

>>13433414
Oh, you fucking think? 2 million poorfags in a 500 million continent? There were more Romanians and Bulgarians and Polacks invading Western Europe when they joined the EU. There's parts of Spain and italy that are effectively Romanian, parts of Wien that are Yugoslavian, parts of Germany that are polish, etc.

>>13433363
منين؟

>>13433715
ألمانيا

>>13432759
No we don't. Grimdark discussion is more than half the posts in this general. It's really just you, grimderp-anon

>>13432759
>>13433855
I meant, yes we do. Them vicodins are kicking in

Are there any fantasy or sci-fi novels based on characters playing a boardgame or a sport?

Holy shit Mother of Learning is so good, why didn't anybody tell me about this?
It's all Cradle that Cradle this, oooh Cradle around these parts and meanwhile MoL is SOO much better than Cradle in every way.

>>13433748
سوري؟

>>13433286
I'm reading it currently, got to Cugel's Sage

Vance really can't write a page without using the main characters name; Cugel, like 15 times.
Not a big deal, it's just when I noticed it, I cannot un-notice it.
Just not read a book lately that is so repetitive in one style, but yet uses such a variety of language in other ways.
Otherwise the word-count is rich, and it adds to the atmosphere

How do you go back to reading regular novels after reading wuxia

They feel like silly short stories with far too much drama

>>13433903
I found it fairly bad and stopped reading it a ways in

>>13433903
Sounds gay. Cradle is probably better

Any /sffg/ booktoobers I should be aware of?

>>13434194

>>13433980
. محلي lol

>>13434318
I know about this. It still hurts. But I think she got her channel back up, didn't she?

>>13433903
If I wanted to enjoy Groundhog Day I would just watch Groundhog Day

>>13433855
Those posts are about how awful grimderp is and how we don't like it. You also weren't invited to the meeting so shut up.

>>13432960
Schuyler Hernstrom

>>13434318
Poor Katie, truly a low moment for the board

Are there any star wars nerds around here? I have some interest in star wars after reading about some threads on /tg/...
I'm looking for a book about the rebels. I am super interested in how they are organized and how they acquire their ships and stuff. Any books about the daily life of a rebel pilot? I'm not what kind of stuff is out there.
Hoping a true star wars fan can help

>>13433855
You do know plebbit LOVES grimdark, right?

>>13431810
>bastet becomes his daughter who still wants his D
That's not true. At least not yet. Brown is a degenerate boomer though. He clearly has fantasies about turning into a woman.

>>13433415
I stopped reading the Good Intention books when they literally introduced cuckolding.

>>13434318
>critical comments are not cool
You will never grow as a person if you have this attitude.

>>13434501
those critical comments caused her literary hymen to rupture like fresh elf slave that is send to to barons bedroom for the first time after she has been purchased.

>>13434512
Well, women shouldn't grow too much to be fair.

>>13434501
>those comments
>critical

>>13434501
Also, you retard
They weren't critical comments, it was her talking about her own opinions, it wasn't like she was putting her own writing out there

>>13434549
>>13434565
He's probably talking about that one screenshot from her youtube comment section where she flat out says that she doesn't appreciate criticism. The comment she responded to was just a dickhead trying to show off how much more well-read he is to strangers on the internet though.

>>13434526

Everyone asleep?

>>13434936
We're reading chad Sword & Sorcery and Space Opera with our large-breasted girlfriends.

>>13434936
Only the amerifats, you can tell by the absence of autistic screeching since past hour or so.

>>13434960
>t. autistic screeching kebab

>>13433881
>>13433881
>>13433881
>>13433881
then could you guys help me out with this?

>>13434936
Kinda,I'm reading Heinlein novellas

>>13434981
House of Daniel
The second Culture book by Banks
Ender's Game

>>13434988
like?
>>13435025
thank you

ok, this shit slaps

Any modern sword and sorcery that's good?

Is Astounding by Alec Nevala-Lee a good read? If not are there more interesting other books about The Golden Age of Science fiction?

>>13434981
The Game-Players of Titan
>>13435276
Paul S Kemp is okay
I heard Ryiria Chronicles is good but i never read it

>>13434420
>>13434455
>Half of every thread is Book of the New Sun, Prince of Nothing, GRI
>Plebbit posting
Please read and make frens, mighty Grimderppler

>>13435576
>Book of the New Sun
>grimderp
Jesus....

>>13433881
Unicorn Variation by Roger Zelazny. It's a short story, but it won the Hugo back when that meant something

>>13435586
>Book of the New Sun
>Not grimdark
WOWIE ZOWIE! THAT'S A HOT TAKE!

>>13430629
Currently reading The Hindering Ones and it's shockingly good compared to the Five Trials. The world building is surprisingly solid and way better than most of these self published harem books.

It's actually remarkable with the amount of interesting story threads and the ways it messes with the harem genre. Most of the sex scenes are uncomfortable and have real impact on the story. Like, 3 of the girls basically hate/barely tolerate the MC. He's a complete dweeb at the start and actually grows into a leader.

It's not perfect and has a lot of problems, but it's way more interesting than most books. The rough edges and uncomfortable moments that would have been edited out of a mass market release really make it something unique

Anyone read three square meals? It's uhhh, something else.
It's funny because the fans of the series always neglect to mention that it's 40% sex

>>13435685
Tried it and couldn’t handle the MC literally pissing his pants every other page. I don’t mind weak mcs but there’s a limit.

>>13435705
yeah the first book kinda sucks
the second one has been such a crazy upgrade though, makes reading the first one worth it

>read through thread
>history and philosophy with some ideology thrown in
Wtf happened in this general?

>>13435739
Couldn't get past the first book. It was bad.

>>13435766
merilards are asleep

I think the worst kinds of covers in fantasy are ones with just a sword in them or someone holding a sword downward. Fookin hell, could it be any more generic?

>>13430629
Oh fugg. Can I post my shit here when I publish it?

>>13433133
Fforde, shades of grey

>>13435604
Kellhus is love.

Kellhus is life.

>>13435955
>rapes you to instill doubt in his Divinity

>>13433903
It was okay at the start but started dragging on for WAY too fucking long with no resolution in sight.

>>13436108
>no resolution in sight
Resolution has started now.

>>13433903
I only read the beginning of Cradle but it was extremely boring.
Whenever you have these xianxia imitators they always only imitate the absolute worst web novels they can instead of the good ones.
What's the point of having a novel where the mc is such a little bitch and doesn't grow by either beating up everybody he meets or scamming them and stealing all their stuff.

MoL one the other hand is much better, but I'm on chapter 59 so I don't know how it changes later.

>>13435766
Yuroshits don't actually read fantasy or sci-fi so they decide to shit up the thread with other crap like the faggot muslims they are.

>>13435871
A generic cover is better than a terrible that might dissuade people from reading the book.

>>13435879
>reading comprehension level
>nonexistent

How do you find new material to read? Goodreads buries anything half decent under a mountain of garbage making it impossible to find, and it seems like everywhere else does too.

>>13436445
>I only read the beginning of Cradle
>i can judge the entire series from this
>characters shouldn't grow, they should be overlord ainz or one punch man OP and shit on people from the beginning
>this won't get boring that a character just tells someone to cripple their nipples or he will plant his pole to the roots in your mom

>>13436663
Use the charts posted in here.
Or say they are shit because you see something you didn't like on it and suffer the pain of having nothing to read.

>>13436685
I said new, not a bunch of books from well known authors that everybody read 30 years ago with a smattering of anime fap fics.

>>13431955
Conservatism works except where it doesn't. Same as with any ideology. Proponents and opponents will simply apply their bias and pick the examples that support their side of the argument, conveniently ignoring counter-examples.

>>13430906
How about a book where a regular skeleton grunt becomes a warlord?

>>13436774
That's the plot of at least 4 manga series and 2 korean manwha. I like Gaikotsu Kishi-sama the most, it's about a skeleton paladin.

>>13436676
I read enough comments from others that I know I wouldn't like it. I might try to read it in the future, but I doubt it.

I don't think the mc should be overpowered from the start, but he should never shy away from any challenge. Even if he can't stand up to immortals doesn't mean you shouldn't try to find ways to defeat them regardless of his weak strength.
The set up of being unable to cultivate is pretty common in xianxia, and I've read a few web novels where it was done much better and the mc wasn't a little bitch at the start.
Immortal Mortal has its issues like the harem and repetitive story, but the mc starts as a normal mortal who becomes an immortal purely through his own strength and ingenuity.
Renegade Immortal starts with the mc is able to cultivate except he has awful talent so he kills someone to steal their talent, which pisses off that guy's father who then kills the mc's own family.
I haven't finished Stellar Transformation, but it has another similar set up where the mc can't cultivate but he still trains to strengthen his body to try to find another way to cultivate.

Point is, they all persisted regardless of the fact that others thought their situation was hopeless and become strong with their own will and some luck.

And it doesn't get boring, Reverend Insanity has been going on for a 1000 chapters now and it's been consistently good. Same goes for Desolate Era, Way of the Devil, Renegade Immortal and others.
They have their issues, but the most important thing in xianxia is the main character, and all these novels have very enjoyable protagonists. They also all have the will to let nothing stand in the way when they want something.

Mother of Learning's protagonist is weak willed in the beginning as well but he grows, and the set up with the time loop is much more interesting and that kept me reading.
I love xianxia and I love the world building the stories contain. But Cradle has zero redeeming traits that would set it apart from the dozens of garbage xianxia from Qidian in the beginning.

>>13436712
Look here then>>13430629

>>13436834
Read, tried, or at least looked at everything on that chart. Utterly zero interest in litrpg shit or harem fap fics.

>>13436843
Try this.
Completely degeneracy free.
Threadbare is the only litrpg and Cradle is western chinkshit.
Everything else is normal.

“When you appeared for a match, I always cheered for you.”
“Cheered?” She remembered the insulting hoots and jeers of drunken men when she was forced to enter the arena, naked, for a fight.
“I’ll never forget—” he coughed blood, “how your magnificent breasts danced when you—”
She thrust with her blade.
His last breath wheezed from his lungs.

kek died a fucking chad.

>>13436909
I wouldn't be asking if I hand't already read all the well known stuff, I was the one shilling the Crimson Queen when it first came out. And I likes Into the Labrynth in the guilty pleasure way, but everything on there is relatively well known and talked about in these threads often enough.
I didn't ask for recommendations, I asked where people go to find new content. On top of that, it's all short, I got through most of those books in a few hours each.

What's /lit/'s consensus on Mance's whereabouts at the start of Winds? He sounded like he had a plan to deal with Ramsay

>>13436968
Do people still care about this series?

>>13436909
So far I've tried:
Cradle
Orconomics
Construct
Threadbare
The Crimson Queen

I ended up dropping all of them except Cradle after the first few chapters. Are any of the ones I haven't tried worth reading?

>>13436826
If the only appeal to you is amoral bugman ethics you should stick to reading stuff written by them.

>>13436968
i think he switched sides to ramsay

>>13430053
hey /lit/, trying to remember a sci-fi novel I read in the 90s, was hoping you could help me out
the book was about a planet filled with life that nobody could get down to the surface of, but there was a space elevator that still connected down to the planet. the characters of the book end up putting on some cool biotech stillsuit type things and climbing down the space elevator to the planet because of some prophecy, the main character is the son of a famous cult leader or something like that
I think the book's name was something like earth well or green well or something, it featured a bunch of cool biotech and/or nanotech stuff, or at least ideas that I thought were cool at the time
thanks much for your help, here's a picture of a space elevator

>>13436996
The heresy within
Winters reach
Faithless

I enjoyed all of those, but then I also liked crimson queen so who knows how well our tastes match.

>>13436997
Thanks, I will be sure to do that. You don't happen to have anything similar that's western would you?
I can't think of anything besides Prince of Nothing.

>>13433133
The Gone Away World by Nick Harkaway

>>13432960
Try Jack Vance. Start with his short story The Dragon Masters. HP Lovecraft's "Dream Cycle" was written in conscious imitation of Dunsany and pretty good imo.

>>13434424 is worth a look as well

E.R. Eddison. Only read The Worm Ouroboros.

>>13433182
Because they're writing self-insert wish fulfillment power fantasies for teenage girls, the biggest book-reading market. You should probably stop reading those if you don't like them.

>>13433305
Also keep in mind that fucked up anglicizations of Arab names are a legitimate use of archaism. Like "Boabdil" and "Averroes". I know Lovecraft didn't do it on purpose but still.

>>13434432
There's a whole series of "X-Wing" books. I read one or two of them when I was in middle school. I would keep expectations low but they're out there.

>>13432362
I think you lied to me, anon. I'm 9 chapters in and barely anything has happened except a lot of talking and a lot of torturing which is something that needs to be kept to a minimum in Sword & Sorcery if it isn't constantly moving the story forward. Hopefully this shit picks up because I'm already starting to skim through pages.

>>13434424
I'll give him a look. Thanks.

>>13437244
>Try Jack Vance.
I have. I could not really get into him. I don't know what it is but Vance's writing just doesn't work for me.

>HP Lovecraft's "Dream Cycle"
I've read that and I liked it. I don't really consider Lovecraft a fantasy author though, but his fantasy stories are some of my favorites of him and in the genre.

>E.R. Eddison. Only read The Worm Ouroboros.
I have read that, or at least tried to years ago. It was so long ago that I can't really remember anything other than that I was really annoyed about how stupid all of the names in it were.

>>13436826
>fact that others thought their situation was hopeless and become strong with their own will and some luck.
That's literally what happens in cradle you mouth breather. Lindon has been told he's a worthless sack of shit since he was a child then in a tournament he starts beating up on 8 year olds and when essentially a deity descends he charges it and dies. The he sneaks and cheats his way out of his home with a prodigy and his real cultivation begins. Cradle is written by a westerner so it omits a lot of weird cultural shit that chinks are cool with. It's considered one of the better books in the genre by many so you objectively have shit taste

>>13437042
The most secretly postmodernist post I have seen in a while desu.

Curse of Chalion has gone down hill in the last 3rd

>>13437267
Alright it picks up in the second half; still have to do some skimming over pointless crap, but at least it's starting to feel like a true S&S novel now.

>>13433715
مصر
هاي

Only DROW have culture. Any "culture" elfoids have was stolen from the DROW. We wuz Illuvatars first children and WE wuz the original Vanyar and Noldor! Then the evil wizard Fanyar stole the simarils an made the soulless SINdar e!foid race, removing all the natural DROW grace and rythm and they stole r cultures and expropriated them then LIED to the children of men and said THEY wuz tha High Elves. All disgusting SIN-dar e!foid creatures need to be wiped out so we can have our birfrite, excep for the women the SIN dar e!f0id FEMALE can only be satisfied by THICK DROW BDC!

>>13437926
The weird cultural shit is part of the appeal. There's a ton of other xianxia novels that remove it and are much worse because of it. If you enjoy xianxia, and don't enjoy it then I don't know what the hell you're reading it for.
See, the problem is that you're looking at it from a perspective of a western novel that is inspired by xianxia tropes and world building. I am looking at it from a perspective of a xianxia novel, and in that regard it is lacking.
You clearly don't understand the appeal of xianxia. If you read them with a western moral standard you won't enjoy them as much if you take it for what it is. Something that while it still is ultimately about humans and human society it is completely alien in its morality. Something you can't find in any western novel. Or japanese, or even any other country that is not china.

I said before that the most important quality of xianxia is the main character, and Lindon is shit in that regard. He starts off weak and helpless relying on his family and clan for protection which is a shitty premise in xianxia. If this was a web novel I would've dropped it right there and then.

In a western novel he's told he's worthless, and in xianxia he would've already been tossed out the clan because he was useless and unable to cultivate. Every xianxia novel that has a character that is being unable to cultivate he always dies before the story even starts so his body is taken over by the real mc.
But in Cradle when the story starts he's already 15 and hasn't done anything, if he died then it would made sense why he hasn't accomplished or tried anything else until now. But he hasn't died. He just spent his whole childhood and early teenage years doing nothing waiting for that second testing period.
This is already a problem. In xianxia, he would've already tried any means he can because he knows that, he is in a world where strength is literally the only thing that matters.
It doesn't matter what your status is, it doesn't matter if you're a clan leader, a married man, a child, a peasant, or a soldier. If you don't have strength you are nothing. This is the mindset of every cultivator in xianxia. And I am supposed to be interested in a guy who did nothing that could've made a difference?
At least the story could've starter earlier, showed his attempts to do what he could as a kid. Divine Throne of Primordial Blood shows him off both as a kid when he was a young prodigy, and later when he turned blind and was left with nothing and then later in life when he regained his sight.
But here I'm just supposed to be fine with a character like this?

You clearly do not understand or like xianxia in any capacity if you don't have a problem with this.

Why are kebabs shitting up this thread?

>>13436921
name

>>13437926
>>13438126
I did forget to say that I started reading it because it was recommended as a western xianxia, not wuxia, which is very different and I have almost no experience with wuxia. And there's a big difference between the two.
Xianxia is more about cultivation to become immortal and later a god, where the scale goes from tiny city street fights to meditating for multiple universe lifespans. It's more about frequent power ups and clear power progression.

I'm not sure about wuxia, but it's much smaller scale, in wuxia the mc taking on 10 men is already a pinnacle of martial strength. It's not about powerlevels as much as it is just about stories. It's basically chinese sword & sorcery.

And if Cradle is supposed to be wuxia, then nothing I said really matters.

>>13438126
Then you stopped too early because once again almost everything you said happens in cradle. Sacred valley is an anomaly for an unknown reason. Once he leaves he learns that the highest ranks in the valley are literal toddler tier in the outside world and the cordial relationships between the clans are replaced by the typical "only the strong survive." I'm not some xianxia expert and cradle book 1 is a very slow burn background type book.

How is dungeon world compared to Divine dungeon series

>>13438160
>wuxia
Its basically Ancient china but everyone is a wizard or Superman in some respect. Mostly its about politics and small scale wars or martial encounters. The Scale is nowhere near as ridiculous as in xianxia. Cradle is xianxia not wuxia. For Wuxia try out painting the mists or Cultivationg Chaos. Both are however "western" versions of the genre.

>>13438159
Lord of the Rings

>arguing with someone who refuses to read a book yet knows everything about it
I fucking hate all of you and I hate how I have to share this thread with literal underage children who should have been aborted. You newfags are fucking embarrassments to humanity

>>13438263
>anon spe ds $60000 and 3 months reading a book
>I get the same experience for free on cliffnotes
not my fault you are bad with money and time management

>>13438262
Kys

>>13438332
I kiss myself all the time.

>>13438148
Because your mother let them all in her pussy

Been reading some C.J. Cherryh, pretty decent given she's a woman.
Could also be simply the refreshment of reading older books compared to the utter trash that is modern SFF.

>>13438417
>Could also be simply the refreshment of reading older books compared to the utter trash that is modern SFF.
There you go.

>>13438417
>C.J. Cherryh, pretty decent given she's a woman.
wait what the fuck
I just bought a trilogy since they sounded really interesting in the bookstore, CJ Cherryh is a woman? This shit should be punishable to hide your name like this. If I knew it was a woman I wouldn't have bought it fuck. I also dropped it right when I got home from the bookstore so there is slight damage and I can't return it now

>>13438443
While this is sarcastic I did read some article on wikipedia or elsewhere that mentioned the publisher added the ending 'h' to make the name sound less feminine somehow lmao.

>>13438425
Yeah I know, since the others I've enjoyed well enough were Patricia McKillip and Hope Mirrlees, so neither modern, and Mirrlees being the best while also the farthest back.

>>13438499
It's not sarcastic. I have never knowingly purchased a book written by a woman because they are shitty authors

>>13438566
Strange. I always assumed she was a woman simply from seeing the name, though really there is no reason whatsoever to have thought so seeing as surnames have nothing to do with sex generally.
In any case, which trilogy did you purchase?
I've been reading the Fortress/Tristan or whatever series, it's been reasonably decent, and well written.

I think that's one of the biggest issues I have with modern authors, other than obviously the shitty, flat, stories and idiotic "anti-trope" cliches and faggy characters and such, is they're all shit at writing. Like some middle schooler with the most mediocre command of the English language were writing.

>>13438443
>hide your name like this
That's why they do it. its a common trick. Don't mention your gender in unless its in author bios. That being said. the books you really have to avoid are those that have a clear Female Name on them. The ones where they hide their name between initials are those authors that don't want to be lumped in with bad women authors. More of then than not they are actually decent writes. If you liked the book blurb you should probably read it and form your opinion after that.

How did this general reach page 9?
Is this the end of sffg?

>>13439411
Yuromohammeds shit up the thread earlier and it hasn't recovered.

>>13439445
/Sffg/ is really the perfect place for them. Where else can they find recommendations for books that contain invading alien races and orcish rape hordes?

Unlearned and ignorant pleb here, I haven't read any female fiction authors except Bujold and Jane Austen, what's wrong with them? Are they all like that Throne of Glass lady that one anon used to shill for every thread?

I don't feel like reading today

Remember to remove your enemies by the roots

>>13436656
Maybe you guys have some gay ass rules, I don't know.

Picked this up at a used book store. Good choice?

>>13439717
If it's shit, you can always put it on display because it has a cool cover.

>>13435376
>interesting other books about The Golden Age of Science fiction
In Dialogue with His Century is a very interesting two volume biography on Robert Heinlein, it's worth a read even if you aren't a diehard fan of his work.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6962945-robert-a-heinlein

>>13433421
like who needs borders n shit LET THEM IN!! LMAO

>>13438182
Give me my (you)s or don't get answered.

>>13433414
there are very, very noticeably more brown and black people even in smaller (100-200k) cities in europe than 5 or 10 years ago. 1m+ cities are half foreign at this point.

>>13433421
it's more than 2 million and all those past invaders were still europeans with european values and european heritage. these new migrants are 60 IQ sub saharan savages and 80 IQ religious fanatics (muslims), most of which are violent and uncivilized fighting aged men. it's like comparing it to the colonization of America, absolutely idiotic and disingenuous.

Shits good yo. 10/10 would bang.

>>13439817
Holy shit shut the fuck up you retard go whine about it on /pol/
No one fucking cares

Book report time!

Just finished the first book and there's probably a reason why this series is fairly obscure and that's because it's nothing particularly special. It becomes decent enough after a slog with the first 9 chapters, but after that it picks up and becomes an entertaining enough, if nothing spectacular, S&S tale. One thing I will praise heavily about this book is despite almost every single character being female there is no KILL ALL MEN bullshit. I think all those female characters have more to do with maybe a fetish of the author's rather than any feminist reasons since damn near all of them end up naked and chained and even tortured at certain points. All that being said the story is quite straight forward, the setting is a Norse fantasy world, all the characters are likable, and the villain comes across almost like Skeletor which I really enjoyed. Would only recommend to my fellow hardcore S&S chads after they've read the greats of the genre and still feel the need to check out more S&S even if it doesn't measure up to the best the genre has to offer.

>>13439935
Hmm interesting, might have to give it a go.

Any cool fantasy/sci-fi books you guys can recommend me with a magic/military schools? I don't know why, but that setting just feels good to progress through. I've read some of the more popular ones like wheel of time, harry potters and some others, but it's hard to find ones since it's not exactly an genre.

>>13430814
You can get his complete works in a really nice edition for like 20-25 dollars including shipping.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/H-P-Lovecraft-Complete-Leatherbound-Collection/dp/1435122968/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3P8RFSWV9U552&keywords=hp+lovecraft+complete+works+barnes+and+noble&qid=1562721322&s=gateway&sprefix=complete+lovecraft+barnes+and+n%2Caps%2C127&sr=8-4

Obviously don't read it through because this thing may as well include his shopping lists, but assembling his stuff piecemeal makes no sense anymore.

>>13440194
Sufficiently advanced magic by rowe has a partial school setting. People climb towers and get a magic mark then go to school or something along those lines. Kind of some faggy sjw stuff like making the mc gay and some stupid pronoun character. Book 1 is pretty tame but he ramps it up in book 2 and even amazon comments are telling him to stop.

>>13430906
Have his province/territory get genocided and the liches he revives are fully sentient and on board, and its a race against time to get their revenge before they all rot too much to be an effective fighting force. The revivication could be an area of effect thing so everyone comes back. While the men/capable women are doing the fighting you can explore all these kids and non combatants who are basically just along for the ride and know they have no life ahead of them. Good way to explore war crimes from the perspective of victims who didn't surprise them, and their memories of what death was like could lead you in a lot of interesting directions

>>13440194
Blood Song (not this Bloodsong >>13439935), but don't go beyond the first book. It's part of a trilogy, but the other books are terrible and ruin the story. Only read the first one then stop and pretend that's where the story ends.

>>13431808
It's not a book. It's just a bound collection of wikipedia pages. If you like the world enough to read its wiki you'll enjoy it, but it can't really be called good in any conventional terms.

>>13430845
>13430806 #
Be kind Melania

>>13431808
It's fucking fantastic, better than the hobbit or the lord of the rings t b h.

>>13440194
Schooled in magic if you can tolerate a female mc.
then there is the Soulforce Saga which starts out in a school setting but progresses into a coming of age adventure.

>>13439867
>t. Arab manlet

>>13440246
>Wikipedia articles
Anon, is u familar with the concept of short storys?

I downloaded all of this some years ago (among other collections):
>>>/t/805598
But haven't actually got around to trying to go through it until the last couple months.

I first extracted out all the authors I've ever read anything by, then various authors who I've heard good things about. Then I kept everything that had tags that I liked and other metadata searches. That still left me with...so, so, much.

Seeing as how no one has time to read literally 10s of 1000s of novels I had to ruthlessly purge on the most superficial of basis.

With most I literally judged them by the cover, and others it was cover+tags+synopsis. It would have been a disaster without any metadata. Even so, it's quite possible I missed some, or a lot, that may have been worthwhile.
Maybe I should have kept a back-up, but I really didn't want the temptation to try to go back through and also didn't want to be using so much space on the external in place of other stuff.

Currently I'm down to 4,362 magazine issues, 588 novels, 840 anthologies, 571 collections, and 290 non-fiction.

It's almost all SF&F.

I'm currently reading anthologies, may or may not actually ever get around to the magazines, but before that I was reading a couple pages of 100s of novels and seeing I wanted to read more. Was this a bad idea? Probably, but it's what I wanted to do. It would have been less, but I gave authors more than 1 chance if the book wasn't terrible.

Overall, sure is a lot of trash out there and popular stuff that I dislike.

>>13440240
Thanks, but now that you mentioned it, I have read that one.

>>13440318
If you're interested in people training for mechs then check out Iron Dragoons.

Is the Broken Earth series any good?

>>13440232
There are red flags before you even start, you think I will pick it up when he makes more forced sjw shit in book 2?

>>13440194
Pentamura

>>13440306
Some recs. I'm trying to avoid more common/popular ones, but I don't look at the thread much at all. I looked at the rec images again, but still may not remember them all.


SCI-FI

Jump 225 Trilogy, David Louis Edelman.
I liked Infoquake a lot, but for me the two following books were good, but not nearly as much as the first. Main character is a programmer in a very different world in terms of politics and bodily augmentations.

Exo, 4th book in the Jumper series. The 3rd and 4th books are about the main character of the 1st and 2nd books daughter. It explores casual teleportation and is basically a slice-of-life.

Rendezous with Rana - I actually haven't liked much by Clarke that I've read, but this I liked.

A Maze of Death - My favorite of the Philip K. Dick novels I've read.

Son of Heaven - I really liked the first novel (in terms of the new chronology), but haven't got around to read any of the others yet. China takes over the world, basically.

FANTASY:

The Majipoor series by Robert Silverberg is great, as is a lot he has done.

The Emperor's Blades by Brian Staveley was very enjoyable and had a style and voice that I found very relatable to other media I enjoy.

Well, that was less than I thought, but it'll do for now.

what's lit's opinion of the second First Law trilogy? the first was amazing, but that ending is not something you can pull off twice. currently 1/3 through best served cold, it's good but nothing special, think i might drop the series after this book. what made you keep reading?

>>13439717
The first 3 books in the series are good, the rest of them aren't as interesting.

https://www.tor.com/2019/07/03/here-are-the-100-most-discussed-fantasy-books-on-reddit/

>same books discussed
>same books in rec images
>same books in the monthly reading
>basically same everything

This should be obvious.

>>13440522
It's better than the first, but not a true trilogy. The only consistent element is Based Shivers. The Heroes is also the best thing Abercrombie has written to date

>>13440614
Someone blackpill me on Dread Empire.

can i get pilled on the chronicles of the eversword

>>13440692
Are those books in my charts?
t. chartanon

>>13440213
I have that one, it's all right when it comes to content, but after a reading session your hands are full of silver glitter because they decided to put some silver glitter shit onto the edges of the pages, same with most barnes & noble collection books.
I'd rather recommend
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1784288608 or https://www.amazon.com/dp/1631060015/

>>13440692
WHAT THE FUCK
Reddit has been coming to this general for years to get book recs. I've been shilling library at mount char for years here, and no one took it seriously. Now it's the monthly reading and one of rebbit's top 100? Wtf?

>>13440692
WHAT THE FUCK
Redshit has been coming to this general for years to get book recs. I've been shilling library at mount char for years here, and no one took it seriously. Now it's the monthly reading and one of rebbit's top 100? Wtf?

>>13440692
>Circe
>The Song of Achilles
>Discussed and recommended here
Please kys grimderp

>>13440866
Circe is good though.

>>13440306
I wanted to download that torrent but i know it's a rabbit hole and i'm going to spend like a week sorting what i want to read and whatnot

>>13432607
Hahahahaha good riddance you pleb

>>13440409
Wtf? actual recs on /sffg/ i though this was the Book of the New Sun general

>>13440997
>Not liking muh dogdicked-elf-cannibal-gay-rape-alien-fantasy makes you a pleb
Wew

>>13440409
Robert Silverberg doesn't get enough credit; Dying Inside and The Alien Years are two of my favorite science fiction novels. Also, I don't remember the name but I really enjoyed a collection of the super pulpy stuff he wrote as a house writer for one of the old scifi rags. It's still hilarious to me that the editors would drag in the art for the next month's issue already painted and say "you have a week to write us a story to go with this picture of two scantily clad women wrestling on top of a giant diamond".

>>13441028
Correct, it does.

>>13440749
The first trilogy and the two prequels are cool,didn't read the sequel trilogy but i heard it's not that good.it's grimdark but it's actually good and written 30 years before grimdark was a thing.
>>13441045
>Dying Inside
Based

Do people discuss the monthly reading here? I thought the book was comfy . Also, is Steve a sun now? Why would he care if his doge lives?

>>13441184
The book is discussed after the deadline.

What's the sci-fi equivalent of sword and sorcery? I need some low-effort summer reads for travelling and I'm tired of fantasy. Any good sci-fi adventure shit I could read? A lot of the sci-fi I've come across is usually more involved or philosophical/political it seems.

>>13441589
>sci-fi is more intelligent than fantasy
yes, it is

Lads I need some more weird/occult horror along the lines of Laird Barron
I've also been listening to the Magnus Archives and I'm on a kick of "unknowable horrors from beyond space", rituals, cults, etc

>>13437012
It's called Deception Well, someone found it.

>>13440341
ANSWER ME YOU FUCKS

Let us now leave this place together.

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I allow you to say last post, anon.