/lit/ - Literature

>>13415016
Kristeva - Powers of Horror

because it's fairly new & a product of this profoundly ill society we crafted

i will say from experience i think divorce rates have something to do with it whereby one parent becomes the parents and the other is some stranger you go see every other saturday of your childhood effectively splitting your emotional development into two separate camps

>>13415016
Borderline personality disorder just how psychiatrists diagnose antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy) in women because females are such precious flowers that they can do no wrong.

>>13415093
BPD is equally diagnosed in both sexes

>>13415099
No it isn't.

>>13415093
No, although people with BPD can have it too. They're usually hypersexual and unintelligent about how they reveal themselves. They stick out like a sore thumb.

>>13415022
How?

>>13415109
>They're usually hypersexual and unintelligent about how they reveal themselves.
In other words, they're female.

Why would it? It's the same essence as how psychopathic people or schizophrenic people don't confound philosophy and theology.

It's like the ship of Theseus. The underlying core of identity is volatile and constantly shifting. For someone with BPD it's a matter of degree. For a normal person the pieces get swapped out slowly and replaced on a regular basis, maintaining the cohesion of the whole. For someone with BPD, the pieces go missing, and they may be replaced with something different entirely, or not at all, or the pieces get swapped in different places.

The consequence is chaos, but there is still a core there, even if it is unstable.

>>13415104
Yes it is, pleb

>>13415219
Neither of those people are borderline so your comment is irrelevant. Schizophrenic thinking influenced Deleuze.

>>13415228
There's way more implications than that, think about it

>>13415016
>Does the existence of borderline personality disorder change philosophy and theology
Why would it? Any of those things could be as old as time and as contingent on each other as ever. They're all most likely older than history though we can only infer that for obvious reasons.

>>13415245
Its relevant in the sense that those people, just like those with BPD, view or experience things, but this doesn't change anything to do with how we interact with philosophy or theological discussions, if you think it would then give a reason.

>>13415245
Deleuze is using Freudian schizophrenia as a starting point from which borderline derives as it's the intersection of the psychotic and the neurotic (whence 'borderline', now an outmoded term)

>>13415258
I'm not going to argue with someone who thinks the psyche doesn't effect philosophy.
>>13415263
I'm not saying schizoanalysis is influenced by BPD. What i'm trying to say here is that mental illness does indeed have a huge implication on the Self, the Soul and philosophy in general. Especially BPD since it's almost complete chaos.

>>13415267
Nothing I've said is at all inditcitive of the idea that I don't believe the psych affects philosophy, but I read your original post as asking how we should view it. Every retard knows that people with psychological disorders interact with philosophy differently

>>13415267
>I'm not saying schizoanalysis is influenced by BPD. What i'm trying to say here is that mental illness does indeed have a huge implication on the Self, the Soul and philosophy in general. Especially BPD since it's almost complete chaos.
It is relevant as Deleuze speaks to it, and I take issue with your characterization of borderline as complete chaos. Those who have those traits may well feel chaotic and cause chaotic situations, but they are not chaotic themselves. They are predictably at the edge of neurosis and psychosis, while actual chaos moves beyond those boundaries to alternative solutions of self in relation to environment. If borderlines were truly chaos, we could not speak to their chances of having a healthy relationship as they would not be predictably afraid of abandonment and attachment.

>>13415016
>Does the existence of borderline personality disorder change philosophy and theology?
>he fell for the mental illness meme
kill yourself

>>13415023
There are several historic characters who probably were borderline, though.
Mostly women

>>13415294
>>13415274
Borderline personality disorder is characterized by impulsive tendencies, unstable identity and the egoic development of a small child. You could be next to this person, married to them, and they wouldn't feel with you at all (in the severe cases). They can radically change personality within weeks. They lack object permanence.Theologians and philosophers have thought about the Self and the soul for a long time now, but I doubt they knew about BPD, only in a primitive sense. Plotinus believed the soul was to be tethered down and not something inherent within you, which isn't exactly a Christian belief. I don't know how to make it 'connect', but what I'm saying is BPD does have philosophical and religious implications.

>>13415294
That's a strange thought btw. 'if they were truly chaotic we would not speak about their chances of being afraid of abandnoment". How do you call something 'chaotic' within a classification then if you can't 'predict the unpredictable'?

>>13415235
It's diagnosed x3 more in women.

>>13415099
Here you go, you fucking retard. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14686459
Ignore the pious blather about how the fact that 75% of BPD patients are female must be due to bIaSeD cLiNiCiAnS because "everybody knows" axiomatically that men and women are the same.

>>13415394
Exactly

>>13415016
I'd argue that Baudrillard, specifically The System of Objects and The Mirror of Production, is relevant to this as is Berardi's writing on Semiocapitalism. BPD is probably more common now since identity is viewed as much less stable than in previous eras.

>>13415418
i'll check it out for sure but could you sum all three up for me if you don't mind? the semiocapitalism caught my mind, i've noticed people today tend to see relationships in transcational ways.

>Does the existence of borderline personality disorder change philosophy and theology?
It blows the fuck out of retards who think that everyone's "souls" are equal, that's about it.

>>13415093
Also correct

>>13415431
That's a pretty big fucking implication dude

>>13415363
>Borderline personality disorder is characterized by impulsive tendencies, unstable identity and the egoic development of a small child. You could be next to this person, married to them, and they wouldn't feel with you at all (in the severe cases). They can radically change personality within weeks.
This is slightly inaccurate. They lack a sense of identity but that does not mean they don't have a social identity (ie, they cannot tell what they think of themselves but others can form impressions of them). That people are impulsive can hardly be said to radically change philosophy: Aristotle might be against it, but Aristippus could be all forming. What you describe here is a character, but it is not an undefined one. It is merely one lacking self reflection and prone to absolutes, much like many philosophies.
>Theologians and philosophers have thought about the Self and the soul for a long time now, but I doubt they knew about BPD, only in a primitive sense.
Then you have not read much. A bpd character is often necessary as the starting point to classic tragic reversal. The reversal is the tethering down of the soul to long term wisdom rather than ephemeral means.
>>13415370
>That's a strange thought btw. 'if they were truly chaotic we would not speak about their chances of being afraid of abandnoment". How do you call something 'chaotic' within a classification then if you can't 'predict the unpredictable'?
Those which transcend the borderline which demarcates the normal and abhorrent, which embrace both the abandonment and random attachment of all points and the potential aterritoriality and ahistoricity of the complete set of everything are chaotic and rhizomatous. For bpd that is incomprehensible or an outright threat to their existence as it has no potential for ego supply.

>>13415440
No it really isn't. Any retard can look around them and see that things aren't the same. Why would "souls" be any different? There are plenty of ways of being a piece of shit other than BPD, about the only interesting thing about it, as others have pointed out, it that BPD is stereotypically female (it's literally a form of "toxic femininity" IMO). That you have hangups over this says a lot about you and not much about philosophy.

>>13415449
Your 'impression' is false though. It's an acquired identity through ex partners and others they enmeshed with. It's not that they're merely impulsive, but it's that they're impulsive, lack a coherent sense of Self, the psychic clarification of the Other and could be seen as 'soulless'.

All the BPD girls I've met have given me this extremely mystical aura, not that they're spiritual people but actually the opposite. Soulless but crave a soul. I remember one was very well read, physicalist materialist, her views from my impression came from her BPD. I always saw them as my opposites and it intrigued me.

'classic tragic reversal' for someone with BPD is almost impossible, it's harder to treat than schizophrenia. It is the worse case of ego. There isn't literature on this. Even in the East. Wisemen only speak to wiseman, not lay people.

> For bpd that is incomprehensible or an outright threat to their existence as it has no potential for ego supply.

What does this mean? My ex gf was a deleuzian

>>13415462
I do sense that people around me don't have much of an internal life or a sense of mysticism in them, and even explaining it to them in 'material ways' they seem like they literally are not connected. I do agree with you on the toxic femininty part too, however, a lot of these people recognize this and want to change but don't know how.

>>13415429
Buadrillard's writing in the books I mentioned is tl;dr that in societies dominated by objects (like ours) people define themselves in terms of objects and take on the characteristics of objects. He's working off of Marxism, where use value and exchange value are the characteristics that define commodities. He posits that in 1st world post-industrial societies (and now all over, because of the internet) exchange value and use value are both less important than sign value, that is the value of signification that one derives from ownership or use of a given object. I'm claiming that it's relevant to BPD because individuals with less rigidly defined identities are ideal consumers for the type of society described above. They can reconstruct and recreate identities at will by changing the objects used to signify their identity.

Berardi's writing on semiocapitalism builds off of the above. It is in essence the idea that capitalism has completely infected (another term he uses for semiocapitalism is "absolute capitalism") the cognitive sphere all the down to the way we communicate. He often describes the present condition as a social brain subject to connective machine logic (the internet as dominant social forum) that is severed from the social body (worker). In this realm, identity is commodified and readily changeable, ready to be deployed via algorithmic connective networks. As above, this structure incentivizes BPD-type behavior since they make ideal subjects.

If you're interested in stuff like this, but not about BPD I recommend Tristram Vivian Adams's "The Psychopath Factory: How Capitalism Organizes Empathy"

People with BPD (women) should literally all be shot in the head. Wish there was a way to test for it in the womb.

>>13415514
I guess you're using objects and commoditiy synonymously here, if not, I do not know what you mean by 'objects'. Is capitalism a distortion of a sort of divine evolutionary will spoken by itzhak bentov and whitehead? For example, the concept of 'infinite growth' applied to the Self. I have noticed that money is not desired for the purchasing of art for art's sake but more so the purchashing of something for social clout. I haven't read this so excuse me if it's a rookie question. I will read all of this hopefully.

>>13415484
>It's an acquired identity through ex partners and others they enmeshed with.
Wow you've discovered that making a habit of immoral behavior causes you to become a bad person, this is a truly new development in the history of metaphysics.

>All the BPD girls I've met have given me this extremely mystical aura, not that they're spiritual people but actually the opposite
Congratulations on being able to discern the presence of evil/absence of good. Seriously.

>There isn't literature on this.
There's plenty of literature on immoral women and why you ought to stay away from them, it just isn't couched in late 20th century psychobabble.

>I do sense that people around me don't have much of an internal life or a sense of mysticism in them
All you're telling me is that you're pretty young.

In all seriousness, I'm being pretty glib but it is good that you're noticing this stuff. You need to step back and think about why all of these things that you're correctly perceiving are at odds with "philosophy" (what you've been told). It's because what you've been told isn't true. But why? Good luck.

>>13415484
>Your 'impression' is false though. It's an acquired identity through ex partners and others they enmeshed with. It's not that they're merely impulsive, but it's that they're impulsive, lack a coherent sense of Self, the psychic clarification of the Other and could be seen as 'soulless'.
Only if self identification is your thing. In most of history, it hasn't been, and social identity has been more important than self identity. Tom Ripley doesn't become the guy he kills through his imitation. Ripley might maintain he had, but that is symptom and not something which convinces his victim's acquaintances. They are not flawless imitators, and they are not alone in imitation. One of the earliest ways of defining personality is Heraclitus's ethos anthropoi daimon: how you conduct yourself is who you are. Conduct yourself as a fraud and you are a fraud.
>Soulless but crave a soul.
They do not want to admit they have a soul which they have formed themselves and so seek ego supply in others. That does not make them soulless. It just makes them of poor character. That too does not change philosophy.
>What does this mean? My ex gf was a deleuzian
Ego supply is reassurance you are a self, which is also called narcissistic supply. Some amount of this is necessary for most humans. For bpd, it's their driving motivation.
>classic tragic reversal' for someone with BPD is almost impossible, it's harder to treat than schizophrenia. It is the worse case of ego
The symptoms of bpd can also be compared to younger personality states which are necessary to become a rounded adult. The problem for bpd is they do not go through that reversal or learn past that period. They continue acting like Hamlet. It's not the worst case of ego, but rather the lack of superego. They simply do not realise that while they're busy finding themselves everyone else has been finding out about them too and that is why they have ever decreasing social support outside those who seek to enable their retardation at a younger age than normal. There is plenty of literature on this, I've named two well known characters in this post alone.

>>13415544
No reason to position yourself in such a stance that you're the greybearded wiseman looking down on a young man's newfound wisdom. Hypocognition is real. You can find wisdom in a lot of peculiar places, no need to make it a hierachy. If you have any wisdom to give regarding this i'm more than happy to listen, but 'stay away' is not righteous at all. I'm aware that all prophets have tried to reform the devil, but still I believe philosophy is essentially a metaquest of the Self so this work interests me a lot.

>>13415555
I recently came to a relevation that instead of judging what someone did I should judge the Spirit that is compelled to do such a thing and see it from that perspective. Iamblichus questioned how the soul remains sinless and I don't see a resolute with this, especailly since you said it makes them to be of a poor character and not 'soulless'.

What would you say could be done to help the BPD patient come to the realization of truth?

>>13415537
>I guess you're using objects and commoditiy synonymously here
More or less, since commodities are the dominant objects in our society.

>Is capitalism a distortion of a sort of divine evolutionary will spoken by itzhak bentov and whitehead?
I don't know. I haven't read either of them. I'm not so much interested in that as I am in the tangible effects and development of it over time.

>money is not desired for the purchasing of art for art's sake but more so the purchashing of something for social clout
This is exactly it.

>>13415577
>I recently came to a relevation that instead of judging what someone did I should judge the Spirit that is compelled to do such a thing and see it from that perspective. Iamblichus questioned how the soul remains sinless and I don't see a resolute with this, especailly since you said it makes them to be of a poor character and not 'soulless'.
They tend to think in black and white and they assume souls must be perfectly bad or perfectly good. Being an average shitheel without such absolutes does not provide the definition they feel they need, since they are eternally concerned with demarcation and transgressions. That's why it's "if I'm such a bad person I ought to die" rather than "if I'm such a bad person I should probably work on this a little better tomorrow". I take issue with the idea that intentionality is the best way to judge: Hitler really did think he was going to make the world a better place, and Ezra Pound thought he would too.
>What would you say could be done to help the BPD patient come to the realization of truth
Which truth and why is it my job to make them realise it? I think it's unwise to make them patients as it's essentially a moral, behavioural, and social problem if you view it as a problem, and the sick role is likely enabling rather than therapeutic in any real sense.

>>13415611
This century will probably the one where this all stops, not as the socialist dream but by the way of transcendence I think. I guess we're at the crossroads.
>>13415621
It's not necessarily reduced to the realm of intent but the entire character of a man. It is sad when people like Hitler distort what it means to be doing Gods work. I've never understood suicidal bombers and christian nazis. Ezra Pound seemed like a good guy, just got caught up in usury conspiracy and the Ford promoted 'protocools of zionism' too much. His political program was rather tame.

Which truth and why is it my job to make them realise it? Parasparopagraho Jivanam. It is a 'social problem', but the individual seeks the cure...society not so much.

>>13415577
>'stay away' is not righteous at all
>I'm aware that all prophets have tried to reform the devil, but still I believe philosophy is essentially a metaquest of the Self so this work interests me a lot.
What is it that you're trying to learn here that you haven't already? You've seen yourself that these people do certain things and it turns them into bad people, which you've probably also noticed feeds back into them doing more bad things. If you don't want to "stay away" from bad people, why do you want to be around them? If philosophy is a "metaquest of the Self" why are you so worried that if you dissociate from a bunch of people that you yourself know to exist at a very low level (or worse) of anything like Self that it's going to impair this quest of yours? Shouldn't you instead be trying to identify someone whose further along in this rather gawking at spiritual trainwrecks? These are all serious questions.

Do you feel a duty to "save" them? How is that going to aid your Metaquest of the Self? (i.e. what the fuck do you even mean it "isn't righteous" to not associate with them?)

>>13415016
>I don't think this has ever been dealt with in literature.
this is what fairy tales deal with

>>13415577
>I recently came to a relevation that instead of judging what someone did I should judge the Spirit that is compelled to do such a thing and see it from that perspective.
I don't see how that changes anything.

> Iamblichus questioned how the soul remains sinless and I don't see a resolute with this
Here's a resolution: it doesn't remain sinless.

>>13415652
Why did Jesus want to be around 'bad people'? I could point to unique combinations of experiences that happened in my childhood and life that caused me to think this way. Overall, it aids in my own mastery of Self in some sort of negation theology type manner. Ignoring bad people just gives bad people the reign to do what they do. I believe light has to overcome darkness in a Manichaeism dualism and I won't be satisified until people are free from ego.

>>13415016
BPD isn’t real; these are grown adults who lack the volition to not act like children. This changes nothing about philosophy or theology. These retards just die naturally as they should >>13415016

>>13415650
>It's not necessarily reduced to the realm of intent but the entire character of a man. It is sad when people like Hitler distort what it means to be doing Gods work. I've never understood suicidal bombers and christian nazis.
This does not mesh well with your revelation nor with the entire discussion of social character we've just had. We'll just go round in circles from here saying the same points already covered.
>It is a 'social problem', but the individual seeks the cure...society not so much.
You have that backwards if the cure is to be BPD free. Both the normal which those borderlines seek to contain and the genuine chaos outside them both wouldn't mind at all if they all cut the shit tomorrow. The borderlines would though, which is precisely why they don't adopt either side.

>>13415683
>it doesn't remain sinless.

ah yes, god is judging us for those dirty little secrets you work in your diary in middle school...that one time you went incognito and saw what you shouldn't of saw...your eternal soul is stained and satan is on your back...unless you repent and worship this jewish negative 4th dimensional entity that came from serpents. truth runs deeper than your abrahamic paradigm.

>>13415414
it's not due to biased clinicians. it's due to men not seeking out therapy as often as women:

SIMILARTIES AND DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BPD AND ASPD

Similarities
ASPD and BPD share similarities in that they are both classified as Cluster B personality disorders in the DSM-5. Cluster B disorders are characterized by overly emotional, dramatic, and unpredictable thinking and behavior. Among the similarities between ASPD and BPD:

Disinhibition: Both ASPD and BPD are also associated with disinhibition. However, people with ASPD demonstrate disinhibition by engaging in impulsive behaviors "because they can," while people with BPD will engage the same behaviors to combat negative emotions or actively punish themselves.
Hostility: People with ASPD and BPD will get inordinately angry over minor slights. However, people with ASPD tend to lash out with consciously cruel and hostile acts, while those with BPD will remain persistently angry and may engage in self-harm.
Impulsivity burn-out: According to the DSM-5, by the time you're in your later middle age, you will be less likely to meet the diagnostic criteria for either ASPD or BPD. This is referred to as impulsivity burn-out, a state in which the emotional underpinnings of the disorder changes as you get older.
Suicidality: The rate of suicide in both ASPD and BPD is between 5 percent to 10 percent.
Differences
There are just as many differences between ASPD and BPD as there are similarities, including:

Symptoms: ASPD consists of few emotions, while BPD consists of extreme emotions, mood swings, and an inability to regulate emotions.
Gender: Research suggests that BPD is equally common in men and women, but that men are less likely to seek treatment. By contrast, ASPD is around five times more common in men than women.
Age: According to the DSM-5, there is no age requirement for BPD. However, you must be 18 or over to be diagnosed with APD.
Treatment: Certain forms of cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), such as dialectical behavior therapy (DBT) and mentalization-based therapy (MBT), have been extremely effective in treating BPD. By contrast, ASPD is extremely difficult to treat and often approached with MBT with varying degrees of success.

>>13415394
citation needed

>>13415416
be more skeptical

>>13415016
I don't know if borderline changes theology, but it is changing our sociology.
English is not my first language so I'll try to write in a way that is understandable.

Anyway
In my psychology college I saw a text saying basically that borderline is growing as a consequence of our liquid society. Basically our society is changing so fast and our personalities is trying to be in the same rythm.

In Freud ages the repression is the cause of neurosis. It was a society which reforces strong personality, strong character and a hard and impassable personality. The consequences of this kind of social thinking is neurosis, when you reject your feelings.

Now in a world that is very very open, and changes so fast. We often accept more people that is creative, who can changes fast like the ideas of the world. One person cannot create a strong and hard personality like Freud ages. When someone creates a belief or when it creates an idea of itself the world already created another one, so the first idea must be destroyed. As a consequence of this fast changes the person become unstable and impulsive.

As a result psychologists is trying to understand the philosophy/sociology of some countries and proposing new social ideas.

So yeah the comprehension of borderline it's changing philosophy and sociology.
I don't know about theology tho.

>>13415728
What's your native language ?

>>13415743
Portuguese. Why?

>>13415745
pessoa must be cool to read, and you were giving me arabic vibes, just wanted to see if i was right

>>13415684
>Why did Jesus want to be around 'bad people'?
>it aids in my own mastery of Self in some sort of negation theology type manner.
Christ absolutely did NOT associate with anybody in order to improve his own self-mastery -- so already your comparison fails. If you choose to keep bad company, you're not doing it for the same reason that Jesus did.

If you do wish to become more like Jesus then that's good, although keep in mind that that he warned of the need to separate the wheat from the chaff. Just because everybody can be saved doesn't mean they will choose to be.

>Ignoring bad people just gives bad people the reign to do what they do
Who said anything about ignoring them? I stay away from mountains of shit but I certainly don't ignore them.

>unique combinations of experiences that happened in my childhood and life
don't kid yourself, you're not that special.

>>13415761
It is! Pessoa is one of my favorites. Pessoa and Machado.

Lol why did u feel that I was Arabic?

You guys ever heard that song that's like takin me to the borderline

Borderliiine something something my mind or something

Good 80's song

Isn't that when BPD was marketed for Paxil?

>>13415778
Mouros.

>>13415701
>god is judging us for those dirty little secrets you [wrote] in your diary in middle school
Of course.

>your eternal soul is stained
If you jack off to guro porn then you have the soul of someone who jacks off to guro porn. If your soul persists indefinitely after death then your guro porn fetish will persist after death. Otherwise I guess you get the consolation prize of only being a guro porn aficionado for a few decades. Of course you can choose at any time to stop having the soul of someone who compulsively masturbates to cartoon drawings of women being subjected to various outre tortures ("repent").

>>13415798
I know you did it. We know. You're on 4chan. You've seen the worse of it all. Don't act holy, you have sinned many times. God wouldn't judge us since he made a causal universe anyway. That would be his error.

>>13415807
>God wouldn't judge us since he made a causal universe anyway.
[citation needed]

>>13415984
Work it out yourself brainlet Free will can be coerced

>>13416014
The universe is causal.

therefore

Its Creator exercises no judgement regarding its contents.

Yeah that doesn't follow. Feel free to spell it out though since I may just be dumb.

>>13415016
I was in love once with a BPD. She's dead now.
We don't know what they are. Even psychopath are easier to understand.
Like autists, there is no cure.
My advice, stay away.

>>13416346
Do you not know what causal means?

BPD is just rape pathology

>>13415363
This is wrong, I have it diagnosed lol ( Im not from california I live in eastern europe in goddamn village).

>>13415016
i have it / had it, it is through drugs, public humiliation and the loss of everything i thought i owned (egoic illusion) that I overcame it

this being a mental illness it has a physical difference distinct from non-brains; the topologies are different

me being a man i had a different manifestation of it and dealt with it by being around masculine men, who figuratively beat it out of me until i was forced to become ((((ANTIFRAGILE))))). i empathize with anyone who has it and who grew up without a father, they have a long, long road to traverse before finding some stability of self, and it won't leave them the same

>>13415016
Not really, you just need to familiarize yourself with the transmission theory of consciousness: https://trans4mind.com/spiritual/Does-consciousness.pdf

>>13417964
girl or boy?

>>13418012
male

>>13417988
Can you go into what constituted your typical bpd behavior and how it differed from female manifestations? Glad to read your managing it btw.

>>13418030
>>13417988
also interested

BPD reminds me of this image.

>>13418114
these are all my coworkers in software
makes me want to blow my brains out

Im that slavic guy, short temper, easily offended, fighting as a kid, distorted self-image, changing your interests and appearance every two weeks, paranoid and insecure, very pessimistic, black and white thinking, no friends or girlfriend, been psychotic (clozapine), depersonalization and dissociation, anxiety (all the time)

>tfw guy with BPD
>tfw ruin every relationship on purpose
>tfw lie cheat and treat partners like shit to make myself feel better
>always paranoid they're going to cheat on me
>stay with people i hate because abandonment issues
>tfw have threatened suicide when girls say they'll leave
>manipulate them into coming back even though i have no interest in them
>mood swings every few minutes
>10 minutes i feel like killing myself and making suicide note videos
>10 minutes later feel elated and bouncing around the room
>constantly shifting who i am to fit in with who i'm infatuated with at that time
>tfw have 3 separate relationships at one time because of the trill of cheating and getting away with it
>get pissed off for no reason and threaten to break up with girls just to make them feel worse than me in the moment
>mfw i once spent 6 months telling a girl im breaking up with her then staying with her and repeating the cycle because i hated her but didnt want to be alone
>mfw i'm extremely stalkerish and find everything out about anyone i like and keep tabs on all their family and friends and anyone i suspect they could potentially leave me for
>mfw i make passive agressive comments about other men in their lives and secretly try to make them split up with any friends they have but me so i dont have to worry
>mfw i get jealous over girls hanging out with family or their animals and not me
>mfw i once broke up with a girl because she spent more time with her sister than with me even though i detested her
>mfw i make up stories about my life to girls to impress them and seduce them into liking me
>once told a girl i was extremely rich and after looking up her social media and shit molded myself into what i thought she liked
>grew to hate her after a month
>tfw i hate people who actually like me because i hate feeling like someone else depends on me
>mfw a month after dating that girl i started sending her photos of me with weapons and shit acting like i was going to kill myself
>mfw i'll convince them i love them and be flirting with another girl at the same time
>mfw i do this shit for no reason other than not wanting to be alone
>tried therapy and DBT but i grew to hate my therapist and became paranoid he was fucking with me and left
>meds just make me lose my sex drive
>mfw i have a psychatrist but i lie to him and tell him i'm taking my meds when i'm not
>could leave the psych but too paranoid he'd hate me after even though i want nothing to do with him or his medicine
>tfw i have no problem ruining other peoples lives and their relationships with others as long as it benefits me for the moment
>mfw ive caused women to go to therapy after being in relationships with me
>mfw none of this is made up and it's just an average day for my brain

>>13418209
Chill out bro, everyone's born and dies alone.

>>13418209
this is it, but damn, you are a bigger bastard than I am (probably because no gf)

>>13418209
narcissistic twat
stop relishing in what you know is wrong

>>13418209
>tfw guy with two foot dick
>ruins my chances with women every time
>they want to know why I’m wearing pants in the summer
>tell them it’s because I don’t like the aesthetics of shorts
>bring them back to my house
>they want to fool around
>tell them I have to attach a blood bag to my main artery in my right arm
>get my nurse to incision my arm in preparation for the blood bag
>at this point the woman is freaking out and wants to leave
>because of the continuing arousal I am going in and out of consciousness, I tell another male nurse, a midget, to give her foreplay
>she says she is not into midgets
>At this point I’m ready
>tell her to come here
>the midget is now raping her
>I can’t do anything but watch and touch my two foot cock because of the limited mobility
>my erection goes straight into my mouth and I end up coming on my face by accident

There are worse things in life. Just remember, someone always has it worse than you

>>13418325
What the fuck is this shit

>>13418225
all the women who aren't your gf are spreading their legs for guys like him

>>13415717
It's literally the first google result

>>13418290
no u see its a ~medical condition~ its not my fault

>>13418209
Thank you for this post anon. I'm constantly worried I might have bpd but I've never done any of the things you say you have done, I've only been close to doing some of them but even then I apologize and never do it again, or just keep it to myself without involving others

>>13418209

at least you admit that you're weak

>>13415016
People have better and worse souls and genes. Some "people" are worse than animals actually

>>13418168
The entire eastern block suffers from lack of identity. Im from Lithuania. Only 30 years of independence since 1990 and 500 years of changing political systems, languages, people etc. all due to us being sandwiched between giants of Europe. Our parents never saw the good life under the red. They never learned how to live because all they knew and were preached - keep your head down, dont stick out, dont try to change things, otherwise on the train you go to the gulag where the majority of our intelectuals went to eat dead rats in the cold. Our parents had to adapt to a new world almost overnight. As a consequence, we didn‘t turn out as well as we idealy might have wanted to. The suicide rates speak for themselves.

>>13415016
>unstable identity and extreme lack of object permanence. They basically have no soul.
women. you're just describing women, op

ITT
>Genuine bpd sufferers
>People with cluster C personality disorders anxious that they might have bpd
>Some lame philosophical and religious shit
>Darn women/my ex gf

>>13418746
>cluster C personality disorders
Hey! I've only been diagnosed with one cluster B and one cluster A, no Cs! mental illness is a meme anyway

>>13418168
Yeah well. You escaped mass migration. Western europe was not so lucky.

Who the hell cares? Psycharicitic diagnoses are capitalist bullshit. Yes, some people change their feelings and mind according to their immediate environment. So fucking what?

>>13418209
coming from another "guy" with BPD who has pretty much exclusively been the abused instead of the abuser, Id probably beat you to death if I ever met you

>>13418736
nah i know women who are the exact opposite of that

>>13419972
lol you think thats what bpd is

>>13415016
Borderline personality disorder is self fulfilling prophecy, if you tell a cunt they’re a cunt because they’re mentally ill then they’ll obviously keep being a cunt.

>>13415555
This is a smart post

>>13415762
>separate the wheat from the chaff

Don't think you know what that means.

>>13418515
lol believe me women want away from those types of men

>>13421490
Do you think calling them a cunt will make them stop?

>>13417857
no. what does it mean?

>>13421619
It'll forewarn others

>>13421627
If you look at the psychology of a killer you can see that he didn't do it out of free will. So why would a God not forgive him? He did what he did because of his environment.

>>13421628
do you think telling some beta guy that this girl with bpd will fuck him over will make him not want to get some crazy pussy? i mean..you can 'forewarn' others but they're going to do what benefits them

>>13421641
I think I responded to a post about calling a cunt a cunt. If you want to fuck someone with mental problems because it's easy that also sounds like a cunt move.

My father several years ago accused me (male) of having a specific personality disorder, and it really upset me. My parents split when I was very young and since then he and I have had brief meetings etc but never really formed a bond. When I failed to tell him I had visited my hometown from the city I was living in several hours away, he angrily emailed me and sent me a URL to a psychiatrist's blog about this personality disorder. But this was coming from a guy who spat on my mother's face, almost choked her to death, got in a car accident while drink driving and hid the evidence so the police wouldn't catch him, and I'm sure worse than that. I'm no angel, but I have never hurt or degraded someone like that. He made me feel really evil, and I still feel very sinister sometimes. I'm a very guarded person (which is partly the reason he accused me) but it's not like I'm hurting anyone by being guarded.

>>13421636
>If you look at the psychology of a killer you can see that he didn't do it out of free will.
No you don't, and yes he did. Certainly there are degrees of culpability, but that's not the same thing as its absence.

As for why God wouldn't forgive such an automaton if I grant your premise, it would be for the same reason that you don't forgive a thorn you have stepped on -- you discard it and move on.

>>13415728
>I saw a text
>Portuguese
Sounds about right. Read more, you illiterate fuck.

>>13421862
What if the person with mental illness is being a cunt

>>13421891
>I'm hurting anyone by being guarded.

you are

>>13421927
there's a divinity that shapes our ends/ Rough hew them how he will.

god has not discarded the thorn though, he has? we don't live in paradise but a world of evil

>>13422062
Still a cunt.

>>13415016
BPD is just the state of being a normal female

Dated a woman with BPD for 3 years and it was essentially >>13418209 with the masculine seduction and manipulation replaced with the passive, female equivalent - especially because she was what's referred to as a "quiet" BPD (although she wasn't as much of a fucking asshole). BPD sufferers present an interesting paradox: they're both human and inhuman in absolute extremes. It's why it's tempting to empathize with what is essentially a skin-walker; vicariously inhabiting a highly agitated mental state of interpersonal mysticism. This state, self-contained, is a chaotic void; however, when expressed via either another human being or an artistic media, it's like arc lightning. And although the BPD soul is a completely unconvincing facsimile of a human soul, it is believed to be almost more real because of its desperate intensity.
Some people say Dostoevsky suffered from BPD, and I don't doubt it based on the most crazed of his characters - not to mention biographical details.

>>13418325
So sad, you poor man

>>13418209
>lie cheat and treat partners like shit to make myself feel better
>i get jealous over girls hanging out with family or their animals and not me
>i hate people who actually like me
>i grew to hate my therapist and became paranoid he was fucking with me and left
>i have a psychatrist but i lie to him
>could leave the psych but too paranoid he'd hate me
>i have no problem ruining other peoples lives
Holy cognitive dissonance
Does it even do anything to show you this?

>>13422788
jesus christ man get therapy

>>13423600
Already did and I'm happier and more emotionally well-adjusted than I've been in years. Abusive-codependent human relationships just have that dynamic, imo. Shit's horrible.

>>13423209
Naw, I'm fully aware of how contradictory my mind is. I hate people I keep close and want those I don't have, until I have them. That's the cycle

>>13415519
idiot, it's conditioned by upbringing, not congenital

>>13415016
BPD girls make terrible partners but have the best sex lives

>>13418325
very interesting

>>13418515
only ones as defective as him

>>13415267
>What i'm trying to say here is that mental illness does indeed have a huge implication on the Self, the Soul and philosophy in general
Why? How so? What implications?

>>13424446
yes, genetics stops at the neck

>>13415798
ok retard

>>13422074

There's nothing wrong with being guarded

>>13415016
I just escaped a situation I had with a girl with BPD that lasted 2 years. I lost all my friends and I've changed so much since the beginning of it all it feels like nobody even knows who I am anymore, I can't even have warm conversations with my mom. Some people ITT seem to be describing BPD in a way that doesn't exactly resemble my experience with it first hand, and perhaps that is because there were other illnesses involved that made it difficult to precisely categorize, but perhaps my anecdote can help people understand what BPD is like. Either way I just wanna put this story out there so I'll try not to waste too many sentences on irrelevant details.

>Me, 19
>Meet an attractive friend of friend (best friend of a girl I had been casually hooking up with before) named Liv (she was 15)
>We begin talking, we hangout and shes quite shy but we held hands and walked through a park and kissed and she was quite lovely
>As wed message each other I began to grow on her personality
>highly intelligent, well read, actually funny
>The most notable thing I could make of her was that she was exceptionally morally aligned
>you literally could not force her to tell a white lie to her parents so she could go somewhere she wasnt allowed even if there was no chance of getting caught
>she would be disturbed by any kind of ethical dissonance
>she was also very soft spoken and could sing opera
>fast forward some weeks
>begin hanging out with her in person more
>her and one of her friends (not the one mentioned before) called me while drunk and invited me to the friends house to fuck them both
>arrive at the park near her friends house where we said wed meet
>they're both too drunk to stand
>quickly learn that Liv is a binge-drinking alcoholic
>also that she regularly abuses her prescribed Xanax and buys similar pills when she ran out
>she also counts the calories on her water bottles and tic tac jars
>after consuming approximately 200 calories a day she would then exercise herself to the point of complete exhaustion
>I seriously could not fathom how her body survived what she put it through
>after realizing what shes like I understood that I probably should not date her and began to lose interest romantically but the kind of potential I saw in her was something I just couldn't walk away from
>threesome amounted to the friend and myself both touching Liv because if my hand even motioned towards her friend where she could see it she would become terrified
>continued to be friends with Liv but also continued to hangout with the friend for a while (Liv and I were not together)
>sooner then later Liv became completely attached to me, a symptom of BPD referred to as "favourite person"

>>13425791
>I had to completely block and cut off her friend because the whole situation was becoming a disaster
>if Liv became too stressed at any time she would begin to dissociate
>often times she would hallucinate during panic episodes, like everybody would turn into crayons or dead animals would surround her in her bedroom (she had PTSD threefold and later had a psychotic break so these things may not be symptoms of BPD.)
>if I went more than a few hours without messaging her she would either dissociate or do something dangerous
>one time she dissociated so radically that she appeared to have split personalities, completely referring to herself in the third person with a different voice which was homicidally enraged by my existence
>in this episode her alternate personality thing told me explicitally and with absolute unflinching confidence that if I were to leave her she would kill herself
>every week turned into me taking a cab to her house multiple times because she desperately needed either sex, comfort or general attention
>through this I learned that sex can seriously become a chore and I think my attitude towards it has become fucked
>at one point I couldn't handle the way I was living and hooked up with the friend of hers I had originally met her through (who I used to hook up with often with complete casual attitude)
>somehow later she finds out
>I am now responsible for her fourth instance of PTSD because the only person in her life she thought she could trust betrayed her for me

>>13425808
>her issues originated from the fact that her mother abandoned her family when she was 3 years old and that her father apparently never looked at her or hugged her or told her that he loved her
>she was also molested by her uncle at a wedding when she was 5
>shes basically hypersensitive to any signals of dishonesty and is utterly incapable of seeing any subjective matter with nuance
>she could only view herself and others as either a messiah or as the worst human being on earth
>every time her mental health seemed like it was coming around (and sometimes it did) i would make some kind of mistake and it would all tear down

>by this point I was basically living like Raskolnikov before the murder
>she would constantly ask me if I loved her but because I knew how seriously dangerous telling her that could be (especially if it were not true) I refused to say anything other than "I don't know" until much later
>by the time I eventually began to say it I could not tell whether I meant it or not but i basically just had to give
>somehow through all of this I had it rationalized that this situation was my fault and it was my responsibility to see it through because abandoning her was essentially equal to an act of murder and I believed It was my fault the situation got as out of hand as it did as I should've had the foresight to leave earlier
>I more or less became her father figure during this time
>at the end her mental health turned around significantly and she began to date someone else
>in about 3 weeks I no longer mattered to her whatsoever
>by the fourth week we blocked each other and it was over just like that
>now I'm so afraid to act as though I care about anything my coworkers believed I was sociopathic until they got to know me better
>can't look anybody in the eye anymore

If psychedelics did not exist I don't see how I could've even remotely recovered from that. Sorry I suck at telling stories.

>>13425791
>>13425808

This is a weird story man, idk what to make of it. You don't seem like a very upright character yourself, getting involved with 15y/o('s?) and enabling that sort of behavior.

>>13425842
I should've emphasized this part, the only reason I was interested in her was because her maturity level completely surpassed her age (obviously before I was exposed to all her horrible shit). I was actually kind of insecure about the fact that she was young but everything about her besides her actual mental health symptoms was remarkably beyond her age. She couldn't hang out with most people in her age group because of the way petty highschool kids are. In fact she was actually more mature than most people I knew as peers.

>>13425791
It's not BPD at fifteen. Though you did probably set her on the path for reinforcing those behaviours into adult hood since you were 19, at 19 she might well think "god that guy was creepy for dating below his age group" and be more mature than you. BPD is repeating those early teenage retarded behaviours into adulthood.

>>13425872
She was completely aware of the fact that she was primarily attracted to me on the basis that I was someone she could never realistically have a relationship with. That's a common trait of people with BPD. We also had no idea she had BPD until about a year in. She and her doctors were quite positive that BPD was what was manifesting but you cannot be formally diagnosed until 18 so she could not even get medication. The institution she went to for treatment was literally the last place in ontario you are able to send people and the doctors had hardly any idea of what to make of her.

>>13425872
>>13425842
I also don't know what the fuck I was thinking when I typed this but I'm 19 now about to turn 20 when I met her I was 17 about to turn 18.

>>13425893
>>13425905
BPD is marked by immaturity, which is why they have difficulty with long term relationships and act like teenagers. Teenagers have those problems too, but when help needs a diagnosis, some doctors unconcerned that it's not age appropriate will give the diagnosis despite guidelines.
Your idea that she was mature for her age is bollocks. No borderline is, that is part of the diagnosis. A mature 18 year old who has been through being 15 and the behaviour and emotions it entails doesn't contemplate dating that. If she was mature for her age at fifteen, she'd see why. She's not shunning her age peers because she can't handle their immaturity, but because older people will be more forgiving about her immaturity.

>>13425872
>BPD is repeating those early teenage retarded behaviours into adulthood.
I'm not sure what you think BPD is but that has nothing to do with it. Maybe that's kinda what people with BPD look like but in terms of what BPD actually is that's not accurate.

Borderline is called borderline because people who have it are only capable of perceiving themselves or others as on one side of a binary. So for instance she would either perceive herself as someone to be idolized or someone to be completely shunned and deserving of torture. Other people she would either perceive as absolutely pure or absolutely evil and corrupt. In terms of how she perceived the way people viewed her, she could only comprehend peoples opinion of her as either love or hate. If you told her that something she was doing was uncalled for or something she would immediately conclude that she was completely undeserving of love.

>>13425955
Your understanding of what borderline is is completely superficial. You're describing common surface level attributes, not what the disorder actually is.

>>13415016
Most women I've met that have either been diagnosed or showed all the symptoms of BPD were all victims of abuse, usually sexual. People with a history of being abused have a tendency to develop split-mind disorders, which, in my opinion, are more or less impossible to teat without the use of hypnotic regression or other similar methods, but even then it's not a foolproof method.
Past history of abuse or trauma (usually at a young age or vital stage of puberty) with the addition of media, progressed sugars, sedentary lifestyle, lack of worthwhile education, no sense of personal independence, ect, all could exacerbate this condition, and potentially even lead to an eventual comorbid condition.
Most of the time, they'll use their diagnosis (or simply self-diagnose) as an excuse for their abnormal or all-out evil behavior, and they are impossible to be with over long periods of time.
>Does (it) change philosophy and theology?
I don't think so. It may add to it, but not completely change it. The idea that I've come to believe is worthwhile to ponder in this case is that evil begets evil. Remember that most of these people are themselves the victims of past abuse, and that if that abuse occurred in adolescence they may not even be mentally capable of remembering it. For those that have not been victimized, the ones that are merely an anomaly, I wonder if they'd have turned out that way if they'd have been born into another society, another geographic location, another climate, ect. In that I doubt we'll ever know.
I've known about 5 women with this type of or similar mental condition, and I've had relationships with 4 of them. OP, if you're any way in a relationship with one of these types, proceed with caution and do as much research as possible. And know what feedback they're looking for when they do preposterous stunts to get your full attention.

>>13425969
>someone to be idolized or someone to be completely shunned and deserving of torture
Those are normal teenage emotional ranges. Much like having tantrums around the age of two, it's a normal developmental process so long as it happens at the right period and leads to maturity. The problem with BPD is those behaviours and conception of the world continue past those ages.
>>13425969
>describing common surface level attributes, not what the disorder actually is.
You spent a whole paragraph doing that. I specified the problem with diagnosing it at fifteen as those are not pathological at fifteen and unlikely to be permanent, and are more likely to be reinforced by patholigising it.

>>13426024
She was not diagnosed at 15 she was diagnosed at 17. We began to suspect she had borderline around the time she was 16. Her behaviors that suggested the existence of borderline already existed long before I entered her life. If I did not begin talking to her she would have found somebody just like me or worse to become involved with.

>Those are normal teenage emotional ranges.
You seriously have no fucking idea what borderline is like. If you think the radical shift of self image between complete self idolization and damnation is something normal teenagers experience then you're either mentally ill yourself or you can't actually fathom what that kind of perception is like.

>>13426059
>We began to suspect she had borderline around the time she was 16. Her behaviors that suggested the existence of borderline already existed long before I entered her life. If I did not begin talking to her she would have found somebody just like me or worse to become involved with.
Her behaviours suggested she was 15 before that. Suspecting it at 16 is trying to excuse those behaviours for longer.
>You seriously have no fucking idea what borderline is like
I do and you're doing a very teenage thing: nobody understands me. Follow it up with "I'll slit my wrists if you don't respond how I like even though I can't tell what I'll like in five minutes time" and you'd be fifteen or borderline. Have you ever seen a twelve year old in love with an actor who thinks an actress is pretty until she dates the actor and then that bitch is such a whore and she's getting old and never made anything good? That's normal. When you're doing that past eighteen, that's stunted. Most fifteen year olds don't hate their parents apart from when they scream it at them and then only briefly. They work that out over time and by eighteen they mellow. The ones screaming it at 30 when she fails to make the right shape tendies are abnormal and just as grostesque as borderline and other retarded developments.

>>13426120
What behaviours exactly?
She began slitting her wrists at age 5 (multiple family members have verified). Was that pathological or just some immaturity that needed to be ironed out?
How about the fact that she would literally scratch the surface of her skin until it bled because she believed there was carpet underneath and she wanted to see?
How about the fact that she would smash her face against walls until she would knock herself out because she literally couldn't bear the constant terror she lived through?

You're ignorance is confident but paper thin. You don't know what the fuck I've been through.

>>13426059
No offence, but you did a pretty bad job laying out this story in the first place, so it's no surprise that you're getting so much pushback and are having to retroactively correct everything.

I find your attitude towards your role in the story a bit concerning with how you continued an intimate relation with her and kept leading her on with 'idk if I love you' bullshit. Rectifying your actions by saying others would have taken your place, possibly even worse people, is a real disingenuous way of absolving yourself.
I don't know you, but I'm tempted to say you have some psychological issues to deal with as well.

>>13426181
none of those are symptoms of BPD

>>13426208
Not him, but it's hardly normal teenage behavior.

>>13426181
>immaturity that needed to be ironed out?
Your phrasing here shows a lack of connection to what the problem is. Children do self harm, toddlers especially love bashing their heads on things like they don't understand the concept of brain damage. What five year old knows what arteries are or what suicide entails or what death encompasses? They don't know what they're doing and of course you intervene to stop them from doing damage to themselves which an adult would realise is dangerous. It's not pathological and indicating she's going to be fucked by older guys at fifteen, and if it were pathological, borderline would not be any doctor's first port of call.
The thing is that is not borderline behaviour in children. It's self harm, but almost none of those would be borderline if they happen before sixteen. If she had started those things at sixteen, that would be borderline but even if she had been doing those things for attention at five, it would be a range of different disorders which doctors aim to "iron out" as you put it by ten years old. If they persist, it means she's ineligible for a borderline diagnosis because that can only be given if symptoms are not better described as an early developmental disorder.

>>13426233
how fucking stupid are you? and? BPD is a PERSONALITY disorder, you could literally dumb it down to someone being an asshole, being BPD doesnt mean being some wackadoodle im da possessed psycho girl who bashes her head on da wall!!1 shit

BPD spawns from negative personality traits forming into a disorder and it pops up in late teens/ early adulthood because anything before that wont be classified as a disorder because all teenagers are easily influenced retards and children pretending to be adults. What the fuck does "slitting wrists at 5 years old" have to do with teenage behavior you stupid fuck? Someone compulsively scratching their own skin has literally nothing to do with BPD either

>>13426262
Jeez relax, asshole. I'm not confirming she has BPD, but you arguing that it's all just dismissable as teenage temperament is obviously falsified by such a behavioral history.

>>13426297
It is very normal teenage behaviour and that does not mean we should not be concerned about it. It means we should be concerned about what is making self harm common in teenagers.

>>13426297
>shes a completely unrelated le possessed girl!!1 wackadoodle so it confirms she has BPD

You sound more stupid with each post, also >>13426208 is my first post about this topic

>>13426262
What about dissociation? These kinds of things happened during episodes of dissociation, as I said in the greentext. She dissociated daily (I don't remember exactly when she began to but it was around 10 or 11, maybe 12). If that is not particularly attributable to BPD then excuse me but nothing about her behavior was in any way normal.

>>13415362
Examples? I have wanted to post a thread about BPD characters

>>13426323
is a symptom of multiple conditions but your retard description of how X person would suddenly have a huge episode about it or even fucking hallucinations has once again literally nothing to do with BPD

Coming from someone with BPD, dissociation is a coping mechanism for extreme emotions and if the dissociative symptoms were that strong it once again wouldnt be about fucking BPD. Its actually hilarious that youre talking about how someone "had BPD" and then listed a hundred symptoms that sound bad as if the diagnosis existed for no reason at all and was just a blanket term for retards that behave in an insane way

>>13426323
>please tell me I dated something other than a fifteen year old emo
I think you need to focus on your poor choices rather than hoping it was just her behaving abnormally.

>>13426358
>dissociation is a coping mechanism for extreme emotions
Extreme emotions are not symptoms of BPD?

>>13426375
They're also symptoms of many other mental conditions, not all of which are psychiatrically treated. You're missing the wood for the tree you have your nose pressed against

>>13426359
I've done plenty of that, there wasn't a single thing I was able to get away with with that person. I've spent the last 6 months focused entirely toward religious transformation and repairing my family relationships.

>>13426404
This does not strike confidence in me but good luck regardless.

>>13426418
I don't care about your confidence in me the point in posting this was to describe the mentally ill person I knew

>>13426311
>shes a completely unrelated le possessed girl!!1 wackadoodle so it confirms she has BPD

What? How am I saying she has BPD? I was under the assumption you were the other guy who saying she was being a regular teenager, which I just don't know many teenagers to behave like that- maybe that's just me.
>>13426233
This is my first post.

>>13415023
Borderline is just one way the human brain copes with trauma, it's probably ancient as all fuck, it was just not diagnosed before. It happens a lot to victims of rape for instance, are you going to claim rape is a modern invention?

>>13415016
> They basically have no soul.
Wrong. If having a soul is having a fixed sense of identity then babies don't have soul until they're a few months old at least. And borderline people can perfectly learn to develop autonomy, self-awareness and self-discipline, it's simply harder for them than for most people.

That said it's an interesting question. Indeed philosophers tend to assume humans have way more rationality, self-determination and agency than they actually have. Autonomy is not a given in human development, it's a lifelong construction that only reaches full height in ideal conditions.

>>13415023
yep this pretty much sums up my life. parents divorced when i was 7. saw my dad every other weekend. my mom tried to be the cooler parent so i'd love her more.

>>13426358
>>13426392
>often times she would hallucinate during panic episodes, like everybody would turn into crayons or dead animals would surround her in her bedroom (she had PTSD threefold and later had a psychotic break so these things may not be symptoms of BPD.)
>(she had PTSD threefold and later had a psychotic break so these things may not be symptoms of BPD.)
ok thanks

>>13415484
> It's an acquired identity through ex partners and others they enmeshed with.
Isn't the identity of children acquired through parents and relatives?
It seems to me that your description of BPD is that it essentially stunted or late psychic development.

>>13418118
why aren’t any of my software female coworkers little girls begging for a daddy dom
which city are you in

>>13415807
God didn't make a causal universe, humans use causality to read God's creation.

>>13418209
This is your brain on a solipsistic and materialistic world view. Take the platonist pill and embrace the eternal.

Of course, I suppose we're dealing with more of a sympton than a cause, so I doubt platonism would appeal to a borderline.

>>13421981
Actually I read it and did a research about the text

>>13418209
What a fucking wastoid. Some people really are born just to be a burden on everyone around them.

>>13418325
Now this man... this man is an absolute player. Very good.

>>13426430
You're mentally ill yourself and as long as you don't accept how fucked up it is for you, a grown man, to fuck and emotionally manipulate a teenage girl, you'll burn in hell for eternity.

>>13418537
>be more skeptical
>take google results at face value
I don"t think that's what he was intending to mean anon.

>>13426823
i already said
>>13425905
19 was a typo i was 17 when it began

it only continued on because i was completely convinced she was going to kill herself if i abandoned her i didn't know what to do. I'm well aware that I am far beneath the acceptable standard of a good person but a 2 year difference is not what you're describing it to be.

>>13419972
You know people have been trying to treat schizophrenia since the Middle Ages right?

>>13421490
The advantage of an illness is that at least in theory it can be cured or dealt with.
If 'you're just a cunt" then you've no reason to stop being a cunt.

>>13421636
If you think a bit harder about this you realize the "he did it because of his environment" is a consequences of your own epistemological assumptions.
You assumed there were environmental causes to his behavior, you searched for them and you found some. But you can always find something that fits your assumptions, however tiny.
What you should be looking for is examples of psychopaths who behaved in ways that aren't cogent with their upbringing. If after thousands of tries you can't find even one, then your assumption will start to look a bit more solid.

>>13425538
>psychological issues from upbringing can be detected in utero
Can you also predict what will be the kid's favorite color in utero?

>>13426905
Oh yeah a typo whatever helps you sleep at night you're still a terrible person for banging a couple of drunk mentally ill girls and hopefully one day you'll realize how fucked up you are

>>13427101
I have, thanks.

>>13427101
>>13427101
> banging a couple of drunk mentally ill girls
maybe i didn't make it clear but i had no idea either of the girls had mental illnesses (or anything about mental illness in general) when i received the phone call to go have a threesome with them. There's literally nothing evil or twisted about that and if you think there is you're resentful as fuck and you need to get laid.

>>13427133
> "they're both too drunk to stand"

>>13427149
I hadn't seen them drunk before; they clearly both wanted to have sex with me when they were sober before.
>drunk people can't give consent though
there were no regrets from anybody the next day, go cry about it.

>>13427156
Dont care about these people i dont know man and yeah drunk people can consent but its obvious from the story that you took advantage of them and went on to cheat on the retarded girl with a friend of hers. You're pretty obviously a bad person and you getting on here posting that retarded non-story for sympathy about how you fucked this girl for a while before she moved on like we're supposed to feel bad for you is pathetic

>>13422788
>a skin-walker

An Archon.

>>13427183
When did I ever ask for sympathy? Obviously I was ignorant as fuck and created a terrible situation, no fucking shit I'm a bad person. I never claimed I was in a position of pure victimhood but the existence of an age difference doesn't just mean the relationship therefore consisted of pure one-sided manipulation from me unto her. I was literally constantly taking care of her needs when I wanted to just live my adolescent life as I should've but because I felt ethically responsible for allowing her attachment towards me to develop I couldn't just leave. I literally tiptoed through life and death level pressure just having conversations with them. Obviously I was stupid but you know nothing to assert that I am nothing but some kind of evil perpetrator.

>>13415228
This is an interesting thought. I dated a girl with BPD and it was as if her identity crumbled away because a singular fragment of her identity was dragged into my orbit. I wasn't doing anything wrong necessarily, but her obsession with our relationship tore the rest of her life apart. It was as if her 'core' became dependent on our relationship, but I could only ever fall in love with someone who had independence aside from our relationship. I had to be a pretty huge dick in the end in order for her to finally get away and move on

>>13418209
This anon again. Nothing else to do so have some more stories. Maybe this will give you insight to stay away from potential people with BPD.

>tfw become so good at manipulating i can make anyone like me, like a fucking super power
>but at same time i have no interest in these people
>tfw also cursed to be decently attractive
>currently have a girl so into me that she's thrown away her whole life and buys me shit when i want it
>just bought me a $300 monster hunter figure
>bought me some clothes from uniqlo
>she's a rich as fuck hapa and just blows money on me when i want
>mfw i haven't bought her shit and don't even like her much
>sometimes she realizes this and gets upset and i lie to her and make her feel better
>i've convinced her to cheat on her boyfriend with me (we're not even dating)
>ive convinced her to call my name out during sex with her boyfriend and record it
>mfw i actually can't stand this girl and just like seeing her cheat and give me shit

>at the same time i'm also with another girl who's become obsessed with me despite me doing nothing
>hardly talk to her at all but she's there 24/7 whenever i want
>always starts crying and saying i dont give her enough attention and shit
>tell her i'm just busy (i'm actually not, i just don't want to talk to her)
>she tries to come over for sex all the time, constantly sending me nudes and shit
>mfw i despise this girl too and just manipulate her into liking me
>tell her exactly what she wants to hear to the point where i'm essentially just mirroring her personality
>i was also the reason she broke up with her ex when we first met
>told her she deserves better and he's shitty, etc. also started flirting with her intentionally to try and break them apart
>mfw i never even met the guy and he could've been a cool dude for all i know
>mfw i ruined her relationship on purpose not because i liked her but because i had nothing else to do at the time

It's like a huge cycle when it comes to relationships. It comes off like I'm bragging but I'm not. None of these relationships are fun for me except in the very beginning. It's like this huge high but it fades away really quickly and I start to hate the other person. I'm not sure why. I can lose interest within a few minutes.

>one of my exes
>felt like i liked her
>remember the same moment i stopped liking her, down to the minute, like a switch flipped in my head
>after that moment i became disgusted even in the thought of her
>mfw i still dragged the relationship on because being with someone you despise is better than being alone (in my head)
>mfw i would sit with her and purposely make her cry over me, yell at her, like really get up and scream mean shit at her just to make her cry and feel shit about herself
>she still liked me regardless, which i found even more pathetic
>despite that i stayed with her almost another year
>also convinced her to give up all her friends, stop hanging with family afterwards
>mfw im at the comment limit

>tfw diagnosed with bpd at 12 in Moldova and never went back to that hack of a place
Am I fucked? Or could I blame my instability on my lack of maturity? I believe I’ve changed and that Im a lot less confused with far more stable opinions and perspectives, and that I can be a lot more patient in regards to listening to others’ ideas now. I wonder if mental illness is a genuine meme or not.

>>13427530
I wish someone'd chop your dick off

>>13427530
As far as what actually attracts me in a person, it's weird. I only like people who want nothing to do with me and don't react to any of my mind games. Completely empty people who leave me wondering if they actually like me or not. Think of me like the Sirens and I lure people to their deaths. But then Odysseus comes along, tied to the ship, unresponsive to my tricks. THOSE are the ones I have an actual interest in. Pretty sure this stems from my childhood and my parents treating me like this. The only way I could get my parents to give me attention was to scream and cry and manipulate them (much like I do now in relationships). For the most part my parents weren't really there and when they were they were pretty abusive and threatened to throw me out all the time (I was adopted), and say shit like they'll send me back to my biological parents if I don't behave. Pretty sure that's where my abandonment issues came from. Constantly in a state of paranoia about being thrown away so now I'm hyper-sensitive to everything and assume people want nothing to do with me at all times.

Essentially as soon as people become even remotely close to me I fear they'll leave and I start to get into this mindset where I need to lose interest in them first so when the inevitable does happen I'm already not really in the relationship. Which is why BPD people come off so loving then really cold. We manipulate people into liking us by treating them like royalty (completely away of this btw, it isn't ever really organic) but once they like us there comes that chance of getting close then getting abandoned and shit.

Damn I type too much. Don't date people like me bros. I know the curse is that borderline people tend to be attractive so it's easy to be enticed but I promise you 100% unless you're totally unemotional and equally as manipulative you'll be chewed up and spat back out for no good reason other than us being bored at the moment. And no, we never really liked you. It's always more of a puppy love or infatuation in the moment.

Alright I'm gonna go read (h-haha) peace

Is BPD the one where people randomly go on rampages, then change their entire personality to retroactively justify all of the actions they took during that rampage?

I know self-diagnosis is likely to be wrong, but I'm almost definitely sure that I have BPD. What little objectivity I can have about myself/my actions/my emotions/the way I act/react all point to it, but I'm afraid to go and get myself actually diagnosed - or worse, find out that I'm really just a shitty, immature, underdeveloped person without any actual "reasons" for why this is.

Still, whichever it is, my emotional intensity and (lack of) permanence, and my shifting, baseless "identity" are frightening to think about in my few moments of clarity.

>>13415514
God, I hate Baudrillard. Trying to shoehorn mundane observations into an antiquated Marxist paradigm really did ruin continental philosophy.

is BPD with compulsive lying

>>13428028
Yes, I have BPD.

>>13428150
how can i stop having bpd i want to die

>>13428232
Idk I was only joking with the epimenides paradox

>>13428262
fuck you

>>13427530
You sound like a piece of shit but a very funny one. I would buy you a drink then beat the shit outta you

>>13427255
Stop making excuses you little pussy you sound worse than the guy with actual bpd itt cause at least he admits he's a cunt. Grow up already and stop banging mentally ill teenagers holy shit.

>>13418209
kill yourself immediately, it's the only way

>>13428232
As unironically as I can say it, finding God has been the only thing that's helped me. It's centering.

>>13418209
>>13427530
lmao how fucking awful must the women you pull be that they do this to the people around them. Degenerates attract degenerates I guess.

>>13428808
this

>>13427133
>>13427156
big big cope. You took advantage of drunk teenage girls. You're basically a nigger. And if you're okay with being a nigger, that's your choice.