/lit/ - Literature

not /lit/ related. Have sex.

>>13413872
zizek is a philosopher, freud is philosophy-adjacent, /lit/ is the philosophy board (fuck /his), fuck off

>>13414059
Zizek is a stale meme. Freud is a very stale meme. Have sex.

>>13413856
>compatible with Freud
what is that?>>13413856

>>13414111
What is Freud?

>>13414059
>philosopher
>philosophy-adjacent
Wow you just playing with ambiguity of words. Define "philosophy" to me.

>>13414160
It's infamously difficult to define, but Zizek is a philosopher. He is an academic philosopher, like that's literally his job title.
Freud has influenced and was influenced by philosophy a lot.

>>13413872
>>13414091
>>13414160
Dilate

>>13413856
He's right of course. It's no less incompatible with Foucault and probably Butler, this view of setting your authentic self free through a new discourse.

>>13413856
I don't know if I'm missing the forest for the trees, but who cares if transgender dogma is compatible with Freud? Freud's ideas have no scientific basis so why cite him as a source of authority? If Zizek recognizes that this is just a philosophical or some other type of argument I must again ask why cite Freud?

>>13414594
>scientific
wasn't science discredited in 2016?

Reality is incompatible with Freud.

Hmm, Freud is bullshit and psychoanalysis is a pseudoscience. That being said, I hate trannies, so I'll buy into this for the time being.

>>13414594
Science doesn't have a monopoly on truth.

>>13414722
But do Freud's writings really offer anything beyond that? if it's a philosophical argument is Freud really the best source for this argument?

>>13414722

I hope you die by getting AIDS and trying to cure it with juice cleanses

>>13414666

>>13414594
Scientism is just autism that conflates data sets/phenomena with a metaphysics of presence, when science is STILL struggling to bridge the kantian gap even today. Why would you take that shit anymore seriously than freud?

>>13414680
>he hates trannies because they remind him of his own castration complex
Freud has to be wrong in order to protect you from your own pathologies.

>>13413856
What was the point of that article? Is Zizek a terf now? Why wasn't The Schreber case mentioned?

>>13414898
I'm just asking why a trans "person" should care if their dogma is compatible with Freud. Presumably, they would have to believe in Freud's ideas in the first place for them to care about any incongruity with them, but I fail to see why they should. What does Freud offer, what does he posit that is worth believing in?

>>13414680
What's wrong with pseudoscience? Things don't all of the sudden become more useful when there's a data table involved

>>13414949
Schreber was a real freak.

>>13415035
Without freud they wouldn’t have a psychiatric discourse that labels them as deviants to resist or react against. Even if freud was wrong, his mistakes are worth studying to trans people as a roadmap of potholes. The point isn’t to take freud’s Ideas seriously, but rather to invert them, to illuminate them as the mechanisms of repression which block or impede the modern understanding of gender.

>>13414059
/his/ is much better

Freudian analysis has only been discarded because of its anti-civilization implications.

>>13415035
Psychoanalysts generally take seriously the view that belief has a structure. Even if a belief or ideological construction doesn't necessarily consist entirely of measurable things, they would still insist that they be arranged in a way that basically works. It follows that it can be a risk to hold beliefs that you yourself can't ground, since in the moment, your subconscious will tie up loose ends if necessary, and keeping just the Id out of the driver seat was always a big part of the goal

>>13413856
>incompatible with freud
so? Freud is a fraud. Not to say trannies arent mentally ill, but Freud has been discredited hard.

>>13413856
Communist trannies are so bootyblasted over this lmao

>fat Slovenian man doesn't understand what trans means and continues to push outdated psychological theories
incredible

>>13415848
human sexuality is not immanently perverted, traversed by sadomasochist spins and power games, that in it, pleasure is inextricably interlinked with pain?

>>13414949
I doubt mentioning him would really work in trannies favor.

>>13415848
Dilate

>>13417427

Lovely qt blocks your path, anon.

Also this article: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm


What's the next step in the dialectic?

>>13417526
There are people who see hallucinations and their brains react to it. Did religious people actually see the Virgin Mary because their brain reacted as if they did?

>>13414091
>Freud is a stale meme
Spotted the pseud. If you're into literature you can't avoid Freud.

>>13417546
Yes

>>13414753
what argument?

>>13414762
very honest argument there you retard

>>13414753
>>13417641
wait, are you talking about Zizek's argument about sexuality? then yes, this particular argument depends on psychoanalysis

>>13414753
Claiming that science has no monopoly on truth isn't Freud, its husserl.

:...encouraging me to be confident and live authentically as my best self.’"
What a bunch of anti human garbage.

>>13415181
>hmm this thing that never worked surely is just as valuable as this thing that has been proven to work time and time again

>>13417561
Spotted the college freshman.

>>13418383
Do you even understand what pseudoscience means?

Zizek is right about Freud who is also right

>>13417561
stop embarrassing yourself, you will never get tenure anyway

>>13418737
soccer moms and their gurus?

>>13418399
>>13419276
I'm not saying he's a deep cut, but he's still very important in literary studies.

>>13419287
but all "X studies" are meme degrees

>>13419324
If you study in America yes

>>13419287
>he's still very important in literary studies.
That literally means he became the most fucked-up meme to him. Jusy of cursory reading of his biography you can clearly tell Freud really wanted to become a type of scientist, found psychoanalysis as scientific research, with analytical method into it. Right now be become elvis presley of psychology and exile into literary criticism where comparing characters with the bible is still allowed.
Your saying is as same as stating "success" of Pepe the frog in 4chan and claiming "Look Matt Furie's comic is still popular now" when Matt Furie looks like he wants to pull his eyes out every time the press covers Pepe the frog.

>>13419331
Freud basically was a literature scholar himself though. Science doesn't have a monopoly on truth btw.

>>13413856
Is human life compatible with mutagenic ooze?

>>13419390
>>13419396
based slimepeople

>>13417427
I was pretty stunned when i finally got around to watching contrapoints.
The characters are insanely cringey, how is it so popular?

>>13419429
he single-handedly converted all the alt-right into progressivism by dressing like a cat

>>13419429
now try watching and comprehending what he's saying

>>13419471
run-of-the-mill coastal elite gobbledygook

when it takes someone as popular as ziz to say this it also comments about the freudian elements in the intellectual sphere. no shit its not just trannies, any meme person nowadays are the end result of a century old slave conditioning advertising experiment.

ZIZEK IS CANCELLED

BENIS ENVY :DDDDDDDDDDD

>>13414059

>Zizek is a philosopher

I mean, if you consider pedantically rephrasing Lacan for decades on end to be "philosophy" then sure

>>13419476

>Baltimore
>coastal elite

In what world, exactly?

>>13419390
>>13419396
Absolutely disgusting.

>>13420884
>explicitly Freudian take on transgender ideology
>rephrasing Lacan
??

>>13419459
>he

/pol/ and/or reddit was won, /lit/ is kill
read beyond the title (that is often writen by an editor)

Transgender dogma is incompatible with reality. It is Satanic in the truest sense, being total inversion of the good. It's a sick world we currently live in.

>>13420890
yes, Baltimore is part of the coastal elite bubble
https://www.ajc.com/blog/kyle-wingfield/opinion-yes-there-really-coastal-elites-bubble/x22pNtTkEiYud7XHGpUt9J/

>>13420997
just ignore them, they will go away, it's a minority of people

>>13420997
>i'm going to make a clearly reactionary point, but i'm going to assert strongly that i'm still on the side of sexual minorities somehow, btw have i told you i'm a communist
t. zizek for the last 20 years

>>13413856
Good article.

Fuck the bourgeoise neoliberal liberationists, and fuck Deleuze, YOU DON'T HAVE SELVES THAT NEED TO EXPRESS DESIRE

>>13419420
>>13419390

>psychic sexual identity is a choice [...] formative of subjectivity [...which...] entails the radical transformation of the bearer of the choice

woah, brilliant insight

>>13419390
>Peoples of Sexuality
Honk honk

>>13413856
>taking anything Freud wrote seriously
>has been discredited and disproved multiple times
>Freud had 0 evidence for any of his ideas/hypotheses

>>13414898
People take science seriously because it produced rockets and computers. That doesn't mean it can tell us everything or that all science deserves the same level of respect, but there is a reason it is so highly regarded.

>>13421390
Scientism is not science or the results of science. Scientism is the belief that all true beliefs must be validated through empirical evidence or experiment. The reason it's derided is because it's a self defeating belief, as there is no empirical evidence or experiment that can validate the belief that all true beliefs must be validated through empirical evidence or scientific experiment.

>>13413856
who cares what is incompatible with freud? he was a hack fraud.

>>13421186
Zizek was a member of the right wing party during the Tito years so that shouldn't be odd.

>>13414160
If you’re implying that zizek isn’t a philosopher you shouldn’t post here

bump

>>13422093
>at the age of three
>face already looks old
something is definitely fucked up

>>13413856
>Transgenderism is incompatible with Freud
So is basic logic and all real psychology.

>>13422093
>We decided at 3 to permanently change his life without him knowing fully the consequences

>>13422511
>we """""""finally accepted""""""" that he is transgender

>>13422093
Thank God I was born just a few years prior to this shit otherwise I'm sure wanting a barbie doll when I was 4 they wouldve put me puberty blockers or some shit. feels like I dodge a bullet

>>13420884
I do

>>13421416

Yeah but Freudian psuedoscience still makes material claims about the world... hence it makes the same metaphysical claims, but it does so in an inconsistent, self-contained and unfalsifiable way. Which makes it retarded

>>13414904

I hate trannies cuz they gross nigga

>>13423460
based

>>13421370
>still being le ebin rational man in the year 2019 of our lord and savior
sometimes i wonder if this type of people are lost in time

>>13422093
fuck, that's so sad, you can see the kid being happy and then dying inside in the last 2 pictures...

>>13414762
nice reddit spacing

>>13413856
>X is incompatible with Freud
This is without a doubt the most irrelevant refutation I've read in a while.

>>13413856
freud is a hack

>>13422093
Is he still a boy on the third one or was he getting hormone treatment already?

>>13425718
hormone replacement therapy can't start until puberty

>pseuds not understanding the austria-german strain of metaphysics of modernism that eluded categorization and genre massacre which is well advanced even for contemporary standards of meme tier birds eye overinformed hipsters pretending a few academic cucks disproves aything using typical cartesian cliches
its not too late to end it