/lit/ - Literature

That place would be worse than both /his/ and /lit/ combined and you know it

>>13414081
yes great idea
fuck off and take all the religitards with you as well

>>13414081
It would be a disaster, this board is filled with pretentious teen lefties. A philosophy board means it'll be all meme philosophers like hegel and deleuze. Who in the right mind would take deleuze seriously ?

>>13414082
Maybe, but at least I wouldn't get randomly banned for making a thread about Hegel. Almost all of my bans are for "off-topic" but I never post about anything other than philosophy. Frustrating.

>>13414081
nah /lit/ should just merge with /his/ and be renamed to /hum/ or something

>>13414098
lol. based idea

My advice is to post less about the concept in and of itself, and rather post what is tangible and relevant to the board: form. Cite the actual book and language of the author, and we can go from there. The creation of a philosophy board would be a waste of time and neuter discussion elsewhere. Philosophy obviously occurs in many different mediums. How is its presentation in literature important? Let this influence your posts and threads.

>>13414098
/his/ would fill the board with historical figures autismo

>>13414090
>Who in the right mind would take deleuze seriously ?
many people did, thats how we got in the fucking problem we're in!

Philosophers RISE UP!

I would literally take anywhere to post about philosophy other than /his/ that place is a cesspool
I really don't understand why we wouldn't be able to discuss philosophy here, I mean most philosophers primarily wrote their ideas down

What we really need is a /greek/ board.

>>13414081
To threads that have a specific philosophical book in Op get removed?

I can't talk about ethics or theoretical logical formations for AI. I wouldn't mind random banter like ethics of slavery or rape but it'd be a board w discussions of it's own, plus decent crossposting

>>13414081
Terrible idea

Have you ever cried while reading? What book was it?

>>13414081
You can talk about philosophy here, if you talk about specific works
What you can't do is condense the Wikipedia article on [X philosopher you haven't actually read] into a targeted shitpost
>fictioners
>history pseuds
Yes you are one of those people

>>13414114
>never reads philosophy after hegel
Philosophy is larger than books and has applications. Necessarily referring to a book, and getting it on track to what the topic is, requires many posts and replies just to cover our ass.

>>13414341
fuck i posted this in the wrong thread

>>13414343
Okay so I can ask ppl how classical logic and fuzzy logic can be reconciled in a post without being banned?

>>13414341
Introducing postmodernism, I thought jbp was just a meme
>canning your own shit as art
>hyperrealism
>aggrandizement of the artist over art
>philosophy/art/architecture is inherently meaningless

I'm interested in foucault's history tho

>>13414081
I literally suggested this the other day and got a lot of positive support before being exiled to /qa/. I even joined the IRC chat to talk to mods about the idea but it's not clear who exactly one would talk to to get the idea taken seriously, so I rage quit.

If you make the OP about a book/philosopher then extrapolate on their philosophy you avoid a ban in my experience. It's not so bad here. But maybe if we get enough support the mods will take the suggestion seriously.

Enjoy your inevitable /qa/ exile.

>>13414374
It's horrid, I get banned for most posts I make even while referencing a book.

I'm not OP but I msged /feedback but idk wat to do to get it started. I think if we continue to make noise?

>>13414341
I'm going to answer even though you're a brainlet that posted in the wrong thread.
Flowers for Algernon, fren. Many feels.

>>13414345
this. fuck that method

We need a text only board, serious discussion. No images.
4000 character post limit.

>>13414388
I want philosophy memes, man. Mostly serious with the occasional meme would be ideal.

>>13414081
Wait. Why don't we just make a dedicated philosophy imageboard ourselves and encourage the philosophers here to migrate?

>>13414400
This, I'd like our own culture to extend to media

>>13414406
Like on 8ch?

>>13414096
>I wouldn't get randomly banned for making a thread about Hegel
Nothing of value was lost

>>13414410
I was thinking build a site. Can you request boards on 8ch?

I can’t imagine a board discussing only philosophy.

I like philosophy AND other things. Who is with me? :3

That's why his started. People wanted to get the guys who read classical philosophers and Greek and who quote from Nietzsche and Pareto with ease to go there with all the stoner philosophers who found one line in Zarathustra or the Bible which they think proves they've solved philosophy because they read about this on pol before. They tried to get the history thread from here to go with them too, which consisted of bibliographies for your chosen period or civilization for you to read and explainers of obscure battles which shaped later policies or scans and pictures of rare artefacts and documents, probably under the delusion that the most academically rigorous and book filled general would want to migrate from books to hold back the tide of /pol/.
The people who wanted them to leave to this new board figured that all the people who read fiction were from a different equally well read set. Turns out all the people who read Ancient Greek for academic purposes are the people who read the degenerate novels the board prides itself on and the people who want them to leave are more butthurt that people who read books occupy the lit board. Pity they had to kill off the his general from the board in the process.

>>13414406
based

>>13414417
Yeah I'm not sure how let me check

I'm open to a site tho, we could have more control

>>13414158
>start with /greek/-posts intensify

>>13414417
There's this it's just not active
((Ate)ch) net/philosophy

>>13414417
8ch already has a philosophy board.

>>13414435
Mirth

>>13414457
Really? Is it any good?

>>13414435
they're right you know

>>13414081
This is what lit needs more than anything

>>13414464
It's slow but it's all set up, should we migrate or tell mods to give us a board here?

>>13414479
The latter IMO. I don't like 8ch.

>>13414481
Still it's perfect, the conversations are exactly what you'd expect
>philosophy of science
Etc w some troll ones in

>>13414414
This

>>13414479
Just checked it out. Can't say I'm a fan of the layout and it doesn't seem particularly mobile friendly.

I say we keep making noise and maybe start a petition.

I'd suggest getting a domain and doing it ourselves but I wouldn't know where to source default imageboard source code. Could be a cool project though.

>>13414479
>should we migrate
oh sweaty

>>13414503
It could be, it'd be dope
It's only like 10 dollars a year right? I'm down

>>13414441
>>13414457
Wow they're even more entry-level than the /lit/ pseuds who make meme philosophy threads

>>13414528
I haven't seen anyone reference carnap on this board

>>13414540
I have seen it. For what it counts I also happen to be 130 pages into the Aufbau. If you're lucky you will see really knowledgeable philosophy talk here. It's just swept away by meme threads.

>>13414524
The original 4chan code was lifted from a Japanese board so it seems accomplishable. I suggest someone less retarded that myself who knows how to build things take the reigns or point me in the right direction

>>13414568
I just don't know who would go to it

>>13414566
What's aufbau?

>>13414568
surely someone on /lit/ knows how to implement the code properly
I am inept in this field, however

>>13414583
you just got outplayed

>>13414583
Carnap's biggest work, also goes by the (English) name The Logical Structure of the World. It's nice. If you like philosophical system-building it's actually pretty good, and it's even better if you like the empiricist foundationalist project of people like Hume.

>>13414417
You can make your own board on infinity

>>13414628
Yeah I do I just have an issue w logical empiricism. I think Metaphysics is important and they continually had to reference Metaphysics so I'd like a logical structure that encompasses it. I really want to supplant the neural network that ai uses rn. That's definitely a couple year goal I have, I wonder if that's a good conversation to have in philosophy

>>13414568
I looked up on fiverr and we'll see if something happens. It'd be cool to start debate tournies for money there too so we'll see how it works out

>All these /phil/ board retards aren't aware of the /lit-expat/ failure.
Also you are never gonna "force" a new board on 4chan you absolute mongloid retards, think that the ones who could create such actually care about the site.

>>13414812
Logical empiricism/positivism is definitely doing several things wrong. Metaphysics is super important, I agree. The value of Carnap's Aufbau (in my view) is that he wants to start with an ontological base of some sort (elementary experiences in his case) and try to construct the rest of the world out of that, and I find that appealing, and I think other metaphysicians exist who do too. The problem lies in the fact logical positivists are too deflationist about some things metaphysicians take more seriously.

>>13414886
I entirely agree. I'm basing mine on a dualism that seems inherent in everything but I want to work on a logic that can bear it out. Eventually I want to develop a rational maths from this that gets rid of numbers in the way they are (pluralist representations), but I'm still learning logic rn and getting into analytic philosophy

we should have a perma /lit-general/ thread for discussion of literature. It works well for /sffg/

This already isn't the fastest board, and a philosophy board would be extremely slow. The better solution would literally be to just rename /lit/'s title "Literature & Philosophy"

>>13414901
Best of luck anon. I'm also into dualism and likewise am interested in how to deal with number. Learning about formal logic is going to be super valuable for you as you continue your work.

>>13414081
If it doesn't pertain to a book, it isn't philosophy. It's probably schizo nonsense that belongs on /x/ instead. You want to have philosophy threads? Refer to fucking books which is where philosophy exists.

>>13414959
>Refer to fucking books which is where philosophy exists.
what about Pyrhho?

>>13414959
What if its articles?
What if its well-established philosophical concepts and ideas that aren't tied down to specific books, but covered across different pieces of literature?
It sounds like people are getting banned for talking about real philosophical concepts just for not namedropping specific books.

>>13414978
You read about Pyrrho, so refer to the books you read about him, dimwit.

>>13414980
>What if its articles?
Like academic journals? I'm sure that's /lit/ approved. If you mean media articles on authors, it depends on the context.

>What if its well-established philosophical concepts and ideas that aren't tied down to specific books, but covered across different pieces of literature?
Then you refer to those pieces of literature.

>>13415076
Not saying I wouldn't refer to them, either in OP or the course of the thread. The point is you more or less have to do that (to avoid a ban), and people who don't do that aren't always deserving of a ban.

how about having a /film/ board

>>13414920
Actually we should just have a general for philosophy instead of corralling everyone who's actually discussing literature into one thread.

Bump

>>13414098
Fuck no! Have you ever been on /his/?

90+% of it is just a combination of the worst aspects of /pol/ and /int.

>>13416260
These are the people taking over lit now though. They're the ones spamming all the capitalism is awesome threads.
I don't get why people say /his/ is /pol/. /pol/ is basically a meme there with their few Anne Frank spam threads. Other than that it's pure liberalist fuckery and STEMfag history.

>>13414341
Death and the Dervish.

>>13414418
>:3

>>13414388
>>13414400
Considering you fine gentlemen have gotten dubs I wouldn't mind hosting a forum software (phpbb/mybb or whatever the flavor of the month is now) and simply allow anonymous posting.

>>13414641
got a link ?

>>13414082
fpbp

>>13414081
imagine a board that is permanently stuck in PHIL101.

imagine a board where nobody interesting goes to talk about philosophy because it's full of know-nothings and cancerous pseuds who repeat their misunderstandings of works they haven't even read.

imagine having the gall to ask someone to make this place for you and host it on the internet.

>>13414406
>>13414410
There's already a dead philosophy board on 8ch.