/lit/ - Literature

Why do women ruin everything?

>>13408854
okay michel take it easy

>inb4 have sex incel

Maybe people want to read a story instead of posturing on an internet forum

>>13408871
Be quiet.

>>13408846

>>13408923
Wtf is this crap

>>13408923
Damn, these people should never be allowed to translate anything other than food packaging descriptions.

>>13408923
Taking bets right now that this is a woman! Taking bets, everyone!

>>13408923
Who the fuck is this translator so I can avoid her work

>>13408923
I want off this ride.

>>13408936
>>13408937
Filename, newfags.

>>13408923
>You know what this book about Christianity needs? all the references to Christianity taken out!

>>13408936
The real question is if she is Jewish.

>>13408948
This.

>>13408948
>>13408950
I actually looked it up as a joke.

http://www.theinterfaithobserver.org/contributors/2016/7/23/mirabai-starr

"Mirabai Starr was born in New York in 1961 to secular Jewish parents who rejected the patriarchy of institutionalized religion"

https://www.spiritualityandpractice.com/explorations/teachers/view/179/mirabai-starr

EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKIN. TIME.
HOW!?

>>13408963
And they call us conspiracy theorists.

>>13408963
Sheeeit I actually laugh out loud.

>>13408963
>It's sad. It makes you want to cry.
>No, it's sad and makes you want to laugh.

>>13408980
Tell me about it, I wish I would've been proven wrong, now I have this shit eating smirk stuck on my face.

>>13408963
Of all the words of tongue and pen, the saddest were /pol/ was right again.

>>13408963
No bad goy, it's not what you think

>>13408923
>>13408963
JEEEEEWS

>>13408963
It's all so tiresome.

>>13408846
Is that picture suppossed to be a reference to R. Budd Dwyer?

>>13408923
i am okay with this

>>13408923
>>13408963

>>13408963
Hmm

>>13408963
C-Coincidence!

>>13408963
Wow. Just wow...
Culture of Critique is right. If any of you haven't read it, you need to...

>>13408923
>el alma
>feminine
?

>>13408963
Every time...
Once you begin looking you can see it. No wonder they do not want you to look! But that genie is out of the bottle, the cattle are aware!

>>13408846
what book?

>>13409487
It is feminine, like el aqua; la becomes el before a stressed a. So you say el alma buena etc.

>>13408923
>alma
>feminine

>>13408923
Why do leftists only talk to other leftists? There's no way she would do this if she had a single Christian friend. I swear, leftists become so insular, that their entire politics become a cheap fashion statement for social points. Not even Christian but the lack of self awareness is what's pissing me off

>>13408963
Don't ever doubt /pol/ again.

>>13408846
>>13408923
This is why translation comparison threads are important.

>>13408930
They'll still fuck it up to promote some bullshit like "body positivity"

>>13408846
>to start, we abandoned that archaic way of rendering their names and simply call them... the Karamazov brothers

>>13408923
https://parabola.org/2017/07/18/longing-for-the-beloved-by-mirabai-starr/

>>13408923
There's a couple good 1-star Amazon reviews of that translation.

>I was horrified by this book, which appears to have as its intention to deconstruct and refigure this blessed Saint. In the author's new, postmodern, world view, St. Teresa is some sort of feminist warrior, ahead of her time, fighting the male hierarchy of the church. The translator, in her introduction, even uses Buddhist terminology to describe St. Teresa, as a "bodhisattva." I find this incredibly offensive. If you don't believe me, just look at the New Age writers who endorse this work, Carolyn Myss, for instance, and check out the author's credentials, which appear to me dubious at best to write a book about a beloved Catholic saint. This book is a train wreck. I'm sorry that I ever opened it up.

>A reviewer, Mr. Emo, states that this translation "vividly expresses [Teresa's] ... uncompromising honesty," while the Publisher's Weekly review says, "Thankfully, [the translator] has also cut almost all of the saint's self-annihilating statements about being a `wretched worm.'" Presumably, then, an accurate picture of Teresa's view of herself as she saw fit to include in her autobiography isn't relevant to those of us interested in an accurate picture of Teresa's view of herself as she saw fit to include in her autobiography. And presumably the translator knows better than Teresa what Teresa should and shouldn't have written about her life, so therefore what she truly thought and experienced, or what she should have thought and experienced, and the significance of these, or the significance of what these should have been. This is a ridiculously arrogant approach to translation, particularly of an autobiography, and even more particularly of the autobiography of such a singular, remarkable, and towering figure in church history.

>Perhaps the translator's next project will be a sanitized version of Nietzsche which gives no offense to Christians and no representation of his thought. Then perhaps a history of the Third Reich with all the unpleasantness removed, so we can appreciate its accomplishments without any discomfort about the horrors. A translation of Teresa's autobiography which censors material that's offensive to the translator isn't a translation, it's a falsification, and the fact that it masquerades as a translation is deception. This is wrong, and it's wrong to promote an image of Teresa that's based on deleting material she considered important enough to include. The result is false and misleading.

>>13410468
>As a 30-year student of comparative religion, Eastern philosophy, Judaism and Christianity, I was appalled at this flippant and superficial updating of Saint Teresa's profound spirituality, vibrant sensuality, shrewd expression of courage and feminine shakti. Mirabai Starr styles herself as a seeker of spiritual truth but is clearly just a refugee from her own religious roots. Along the way, she has found that she, like her husband Ganga Das (AKA Jeff Little), can make a decent living by becoming a lay preacher. Ms. Starr asserts that her translation of Teresa's Life aims to revitalize its appeal to the modern world; instead, she eviscerates its passion, attenuates its complex psychology and effects a childishly relativistic, "now-ist" dismissal of its important semiology. Ms. Starr decides that the concept of sin should be amoralized as error ("missing the mark"...as if murder were merely an incidental miscalibration), that the value of practicing obedience to promote humility is valueless (she changes Teresa's formal address of superiors to simply "you") and that Teresa's self-deprecations are just regrettable sublimations of low self-esteem. Finally, the oppression of women by men in the 16th Century was a fact, but not a relevant one in Teresa's life of love and service.

>>13408923
What the fuck is wrong with some people?

>>13408963
Pure coincidence.

13408873
take your own advice and stfu

>>13410468
>>13410930
Holy shit, it’s that bad?

>>13408923
Genuinely creepy

>>13410468
>>13410930
thanks anon, those were a pleasure to read and I hope this dumb cunt gets cancer

>>13408923
>weak masculine references must be purged!
>let's keep strong feminine references though

>>13410340
Honestly I just want /pol/ to be wrong so bad but I can't even make a case against the fucking board, every time sooner rather than later they are right and it's fucking with me
At this point I'm starting to drop redpills in real life and let the chips fall where they may

>>13412712
That's the trick of propaganda. At the core, the main facts and statistics are supposed to be true, but they are cherrypicked and an irrational emotional response is attached to them, so if you read one source only, you eventually become indoctrinated. Goebbels was instructed to never deliberately say a falsehood in his propaganda, yet this still left him plenty of room to play. Ellul writes about this in his propaganda book. DESU one of the reasons I still come here is to see opinions contrary to my own, to avoid being indoctrinated

>>13412746
Same. Sometimes I argue in favor of ridiculous ideologies I don't believe to force me to think about ideologies different from my own. Despite not having lost the core of my beliefs, /lit/ has actually made me reconsider putting more thought into conservatism and religion. Sometimes when I am working on my book, I ask myself whether I should really explore certain ideas that lean more towards traditionalism, and there's this sensation, this "qualia" that makes me avoid it, almost as if it's wrong by definition. But I decided to come back a few weeks ago to /lit/ after not using it for many years and it was a great decision. I've been exposed to a lot of different ideas and I decided I will refuse any kind of censorship in my content.

>>13408923
WHAT THE FUCK!? HOW IS THIS ALLOWEEEEEDDDD

>>13412752
Good to hear someone's getting something valuable out of this site. How's the book coming along?

>>13412746
>>13412752
Why the fuck would you "have an ideology"? Why wouldn't you just think for yourself?

>>13408846
>the first few lines of the poem is just saying that Allah is great, which was customary for Islamic writers at the time, and so we've omitted it because modern audiences will find it boring

>>13413750
Because an ideology is just like prejudices, it takes away the need to waste imprtant cognitive functions on things and systems tried and true. You can only spend so much energy daily on all intelectual tasks, so if you use them all up to discern every single silly question you can't spend it anymore on higher functions. That's why high archivers wear "uniforms" and one outfit-fit-all. Even such small questions take away from your capabilities. The more endetail and self-assured your ideology is (while having the highest realworld accuracy - read major religions), the more you can actually archive.

All your "thinking for yourself" is making sure that you aren't actually thinking about anything relevant. It's actually great for cults which want to control their subjects. Make them waste their energy and time in useless and repeading tasks, so they can't start thinking about what they are actually doing.

tl;dr: It's a Yikes from me.

>>13413750
Do you know just how much fucking work it takes to think for yourself? It's not just a matter of bad habits, it's a basic truth about out failure to comprehend the world. It takes not just your own inward efforts to combat yourself and thereby attain truer self-knowledge, it takes rigorous grappling with external ideas and their thinkers, and that requires the long-term and slowly built-up (ancient) catharsis of initiation. At some point you get tired of the ascetic skepticism, at some point you want to throw off the old cloak and have a rest. Maybe you're so tired that you even delude yourself into the blissful ignorance of intellectual sleep (like Plato). That takes more effort than you meant and more "thinking for your self" than you would know, though.

>>13408923
Oh boy. This level of subversion.

>>13408963
The sad words of tongue and pen, /pol/ was right again, etc

>>13408969
But we are, it's just that theory is true

>>13408923
lol get fucked cathocucks.

>>13408923
>Daughter of the counter-culture, Starr was born in New York in 1961 to secular Jewish parents who challenged institutionalized religion and were active in the anti-war protest movement of the Vietnam era. In 1972, the family embarked on an extended road trip that led them to settle in the mountains of Taos, New Mexico. There, they embraced an alternative, "back-to-the-land" lifestyle, in a communal effort to live simply and sustainably, values that remain important to Starr to this day

>>13408923
I'm reading this and I don't see a problem - what does that mean?