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So now that the dust has settled who, or what is the Judge?

>> No.13402095

>>13402057
The Devil, probably.
Or just a real bad man.

>> No.13402137

>>13402057
is he human? or is he dancer?

>> No.13402164 [SPOILER] 
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Moby Dick.

Real answer: a personification of the USA

>> No.13402169

>>13402137
Killerposting

>> No.13402170

Manichean Devil

>> No.13402380

The Judge is the embodiment of war. In the form we see him in, he is American imperialism manifest.

>> No.13402396
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>The Judge is dialectics

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>>13402057
YO MAMA

>> No.13403765

>>13402057
I read an essay a while back that talked about the tarot symbolism in the book. The Judge was a representation of the Fool. I think this was it: https://www.jstor.org/stable/20078027

>> No.13403928
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The Judge is the nemesis of The Man With No Name.

The Judge is basically the secret engine behind the foundation of civilizations, where The Man With No Name is a mongrel who lives in communion with the natural world and society, the Judge is albino (a magical realistic symbol for a moral compass that allows nothing but his own definition of desire), educated and refined to become "the best version of himself". This, of course, from his own (absolute) point of view.

The judge nests in the hinges of the system to which he belongs when he permeates virgin land, a symbiosis is generated. On the one hand, his system is implemented through him (War Crimes) and he plays his favorite game (War) and entertains himself as the child he is.

The only one who can stop The Judge is The Man With No Name.

>> No.13404918

>>13402057

The Judge was basically a wholly aspiritual, material world Mephistopheles. Mephistopheles was a representative of the individual Man's spiritual fork (temptation towards personal Evil/Damnation away from personal Goodness/Salvation). The Judge, on the other hand, is wholly an amoral force, a manifestation of Man's bedrock animal brutality and the regression towards it in conflict when one abandons the patina of civility and reason maintained by individually subscribed to codes of conduct or moral. He's basically Clausewitz's Tom Bombadil.

>> No.13404951

This kind of edgelord crap is why it's hard to take Mccarthy seriously as a writer. He's always inserting this silly ideological stuff into his novels

>> No.13405040

>>13404951
Why ideological? Is it because the character of The Judge is supposed to carry a message? The point is that he doesn't have a message. There is no lesson in Blood Meridian. It's a walk through the reality of human violence where there are predators and prey.

It is not gratuitous that at the beginning of the book The Kid has ended up in the middle of a battle between Indians and Union soldiers. A massacre occurs but it is not because Native Americans have "the Gods on their side" in the same way that American soldiers lose because "God has abandoned them". In this sense, The Judge is proof of that when one of the members of the gang relates how he saved them by creating gunpowder at the top of the crater using urine.

Intelligence, brutality, strategic thinking. Divinity, good and evil do not play a role in the human development of war and peace as far as human will allows it. But it is the human being who has the last word in reality. It is for this reason that The Judge seems post human in the strictest sense of the word.

He wins battles and devours children because he executes only his will, which is shielded by his encyclopedic knowledge and powerful analytical skills. It does not work because it is "evil because evil" but because it knows how to execute each process in developing the satisfaction of his appetites.

He is a semi god between men during a time and a geopolitical context where even the members of a highly industrialized sedentary civilization are similar to feral animals reacting to stimuli. The human being is alone in darkness and makes his way by burning plains and opening skulls.

>> No.13405058

>>13405040
>the reality of human violence where there are predators and prey.
This is the ideology. Its edgy silliness

>> No.13405562

>>13402164
pic sauce

>> No.13405584

>>13402057
Isn't he some sort of Gnostic Arcon?

>> No.13405600

>>13402164
have. sex.

>> No.13405617

>>13405058
Please elaborate.

>> No.13405662

>>13405058
Everything is ideology *sniff*

>> No.13405739

>>13404951

>reads books
>thinks they're silly because of ideologies and symbolism

Imagine

>> No.13405763

>>13405617
Assuming that violence is some natural part of the human condition, inherent within us is the beast in man contained only by a veneer of civilization is about as ideological as it gets. It's like Marx saying all history is class warfare.
It's the logic of the rapist, or the man who beats his wife and justifies it by saying he couldn't control himself and his savage instincts just couldn't be contained.
Its what men who like violence tell themselves to justify their liking of violence.

>> No.13406391

>>13402396
Do you care to explain? Or are you just joking?

>> No.13407187
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>>13405763
>born on earth
>doesn't like violence
uh oh

>> No.13407210

>>13405763
I didn't know we were talking to a woman

>> No.13407259

>>13405763
go outside.

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>>13405763
Might makes right, dweeb. Kill or be killed.

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Vince Vaughn will play him in the inevitable movie adaptation

>> No.13407487

>>13406391
The Judge describes War as 'waiting for humans' and being 'the ultimate authority through which all disagreement is settled'. In this way, assuming the Judge is indeed the embodiment of war, he would embody all disagree and solution, like dialectics.

>> No.13407577

>>13405040
Is the judge the quintin meme?

>> No.13407614

ah, blood meridian, monsieur? that novel is the sark and chaparral of literature, the filament whereon rode the remuda of highbrow, corraled out of some destitute hacienda upon the arroya, quirting and splurting with main and with pyrolatrous coagulate of lobated grandiloquence. our eyes rode over the pages, monsieur, of that slatribed azotea like argonauts of suttee, juzgados of swole, bights and systoles of walleyed and tyrolean and carbolic and tectite and scurvid and querent and creosote and scapular malpais and shellalagh. we scalped, monsieur, the gantlet of its esker and led our naked bodies into the rebozos of its mennonite and siliceous fauna, wallowing in the jasper and the carnelian like archimandrites, teamsters, combers of cassinette scoria, centroids of holothurian chancre, with pizzles of enfiladed indigo panic grass in the saltbush of our vigas, true commodores of the written page, rebuses, monsieur, we were the mygale spiders too and the devonian and debouched pulque that settled on the frizzen studebakers, listening the wolves howling in the desert while we saw the judge rise out of a thicket of corbelled arches, whinstone, cairn, cholla, lemurs, femurs, leantos, moonblanched nacre, uncottered fistulas of groaning osnaburg and kelp, isomers of fluepipe and halms awap of griddle, guisado, pelancillo.

>> No.13408298

>>13402057
an archon

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>>13405763

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>>13408322
>>13407487
>>13407305
>>13407210
>>13407187
Wow, you guys are pretty badass. Didn't realise such mighty warriors as yourselves would be posting on 4chan, keep on keeping the neighborhood safe y'all

>> No.13408667

me desu

>> No.13408720

>>13408389
This is the most basic bitch tumblr response I've seen yet

>> No.13408745

>>13408389
I was just saying the Judge is dialectics bitch, how am I edgy?

>> No.13409277

>>13407487
That's interesting anon. I must read again the book under a new perspective.

>> No.13409295

>>13407614
*spits