/lit/ - Literature

Reading fiction is for pleasure, as is all art. If you don't like it stop doing it lol, fucking weirdo.

>>13400581
The problem is that there are some genuinely interesting shit inside those books of fiction that I deem useful but I have to get through all that shit just do find that paragraph that talks about real life instead of telling about the life of some loser or whatever.

You're absolutely right aesthetic experiences are a waste of time if they are approached as a means instead of an end in themselves. I am sorry you are too "left brained" to understand what this means. I wish you well on your Jordan Peterson Self Authoring journey and I hope from hereon out you only authors of Logic and Reason like Marcus Aurelius and Mark Mason.

You're absolutely right aesthetic experiences are a waste of time if they are approached as a means instead of an end in themselves. I am sorry you are too "left brained" to understand what this means. I wish you well on your Jordan Peterson Self Authoring journey and I hope from hereon out you only read authors of Logic and Reason like Marcus Aurelius and Mark Mason.

>>13400627
Fuck off, Marcus Aurelius is a great philosopher, no matter what the /lit/ memers say.

>>13400613
You sound like you just don't like art. You read books for useful knowledge like Tai Lopez and are upset to come across the fluff, i.e. the aesthetics and style, which is the entire point of the huge majority of fiction, even at its most cerebral.

>>13400638
>You read books for useful knowledge
Well, yeah.

>Tai Lopez
Fuck off.

It's not that I'm not interested in aesthetics and style, but that it takes prominence over substance is what annoys the fuck out of me. Why would you read a four hundred page novel that barely says anything meaningful, philosophical or deep? All this simple aesthetics stuff seems more like a big circlejerk. There are some novels I really loved, namely those of Dostoyevsky and those focused on philosophical themes and ideas. I also really enjoyed reading Houellebecq, but it comes to a point that a ton of literature just becomes a waste of time in this short life we're given. Also remember that it is comparatively really easy to write a novel, in contrast to say, a book on philosophy with completely new and original ideas.

I guess we feel different because I actually want to know more about ideas and the World and you prefer just to circlejerk over aesthetics or whatever.

>>13400568
reasing confessions now after sticking to fiction after the entire first semester and have to say I kinda agree, all is cope

>>13400662
It's art dumbfuck, it's like going to the opera and bitching that you didn't learn anything. It wasn't made with the purpose of teaching you anything. If I want profundity I read philosophy. But sometimes I want pleasure, so I indulge in art, it's real simple.
Some writers will include philosophy as a starting point or premise but in the case of good writers, it is for the sake of the art. Even Dostoevsky, he wrote essays but he would also choose to write fiction. Guess what was taking precedence when he sat down to write in either format.

You don't like art, you like non-fiction. So just read that instead of regurgitating your misunderstandings.

>>13400683
>and have to say I kinda agree, all is cope.
based.

>>13400695
Yeah, maybe you're right. I won't waste my time reading trash anymore. Thanks for convincing me to leave this shit behind.

>>13400723
Hey no problem, based on your writing sample in the other thread it wasn't going anywhere anyway.

>>13400743
Thanks, bro.

>>13400662
>a book on philosophy with completely new and original ideas

>>13400613
Film is a superior medium for fiction imo. It combines narrative structure with moving images and music. A film like Youth by Paolo Sorrentino could not be a novel and a novel cannot elicit the emotions a film is capable of due to the music and visual symbolism and acting.

>>13400662
>anime picture
Not even going to read you block of text. Come back with your demands against the whole of literary tradition when you seen a doctor about your perversions and grown up a little.

>>13400568
If you studied any hard science for a little while you'd notice Philosophy is a failed premise from the get go. There is no philosophical thesis ever proposed that can be verified in the same way as the most basic and simplest laws of physics.

Reading books on philosophy is largely a mental masturbation act to tell yourself you understood reality more deeply when it's all subjective bullshit. At least fiction books are fun and allow you to say shit in more interesting ways.

If you're worried about learning actually useful world explaining shit just study physics or chemistry.

>>13400872
No if you want world explaining shit you should take 6 grams of mushrooms.

>>13400872
>At least fiction books are fun
Literally the same as saying "fun things are fun" or "wasting my time playing games is fun" bullshit. And who says philosophy isn't fun? It actually is more so than fiction, the sense of peace that I get from reading Seneca or the advice of the World's impermanence of Buddhist works are much more delightful to the mind and productive than jerking off over a book's aesthetics. I mean, there are actual philosophical books that will directly give you life advice on how to live your best life and deal with loss instead of you reading a 500 page novel about a whole lot of nothing.

>>13400927
If fiction books are this disgusting to you I can't begin to imagine how you feel about music.
I have actually met people like you and it's usually 16 year olds who take one or two serious works of art to realize how stupid they are.
But no one is forcing you to admire art. If you derive some kind of good experience from philosophy and from nothing else, then just go with that. Shouldn't be so hard for a high IQ individual such as yourself to understand that others might like art though.

>>13400945
>If fiction books are this disgusting to you I can't begin to imagine how you feel about music.
I love music. Music is the highest expression of art. It can allow a man to reach sublime levels of ecstasy and feelings that no poet can ever aspire towards. Music is true art, but it doesn't make you waste much time like most fiction does. You get pleasure from the get-go. Look, it's not that all fiction is worthless, it's just that considering the amount of philosophy around and wisdom to be learned, there simply isn't enough time to delve too deep into fiction. There isn't even enough time for philosophy!

>>13400960

In the time of one album or a full classical piece you can read a chapter of most fiction novels.
Why are you so desperate to convince someone that you are superior in some way? Who are you convincing?

>>13400974
Himself

>>13400568
This is exactly the kind of pseudointellectual opinion I'd expect from someone who feels the need to namefag as a philosopher on an anonymous anime imageboard.

>>13400974
>In the time of one album or a full classical piece you can read a chapter of most fiction novels.
>he thinks that the artistic merit of a full album or classical piece is the same as a single chapter of a fiction novel
lmao

>>13400979
not an argument.

>>13400987
>not an argument.
This is exactly the kind of pseudointellectual response I'd expect from someone who feels the need to namefag as a philosopher on an anonymous anime imageboard.

>>13400987
>>he thinks that the artistic merit of a full album or classical piece is the same as a single chapter of a fiction novel
Why yes, I *have* read Ulysses.

>>13400831
but film can't express the thoughts of the protag without using direct symbolism either through the use of edits, sound, visuals, etc.

i enjoy fiction for its ability to detail a character's mind