/lit/ - Literature

>>13395778
They're literally just the sadbois of their time who were privileged enough to write.

>>13395778
That’s not Celine faggot.

>>13395790
they were based and blackpilled

>>13395852
It's pathetic writing by people who never had any real struggle in their lives but apparently have some deep dark understanding of the world.

Cioran in partictular is a whiny little cunt.

>>13395778
I might be a brainlet but I didnt find anything blackpilled reading Beckett. There was to much humour in it, and if Beckett was able to find humour in his work, humour at his work, that means there must be a grander conception of existence that can include the blackpill, but also laugh at it. Like how I can be pessimistic, but I can laugh at myself for being pessimistic, because it is a mood and not a doctrine.

>>13395941
Beckett is reached the tier of blackpill where even the dignity of tragedy is lost; this is a favorite of psychanalysis. Zizek likes the example of the split-second health checks performed in concentration camps (doctor examines the jew for 5-10 seconds, forcing them to puff themselves up and walk with an exaggerated swagger and, for the surrounding conditions, comically noble air of strength). Even the usual tragedy and intrinsic meaning of suffering is abrogated: what is left is a cruel-humored and strangely carnivalesque scene of pessimism.

>>13395871
fuck off cioran is based

Bump

So, uh how is Trakl? Worth checking out or no?

>>13395871
>never had any real struggle in their lives
Nietzsche: medic in franco-prussian war, present at siege of metz, afflicted with dysentery and diptheria, chronic gastrointestinal problems, catatonic dementia in final years
Pessoa: death of father and younger brother in his early childhood, lived in country constantly beset by political upheaval, relocated as a child from home country of portugal to south africa for a decade by his mother's marriage to new husband
Artaud: meningitis at age 5, chronic health problems and addiction to painkillers, chronic mental illness, psychiatric confinement and electroshock treatment, lived through ww2 nazi occupation and vichy govt
Blanchot: lived in nazi occupied paris, member of the french resistance, almost executed by firing squad, chronic health problems
Bataille: separated from his blind, syphilitic and mad father during ww1 evacuation that occurred in his childhood, mother became suicidal, found his father dead when they returned
Beckett: french resistance member, unit betrayed to gestapo and had to flee into countryside
Trakl: economic hardship, served in ww1 as medical officer, depressed and suicidal
Cioran: chronic, relentless insomnia that frustrated his studies, writings banned in his home country
Bernhard: forced into hitler youth, father was petty criminal who disowned him and committed suicide, cared for dying woman, tuberculosis

>>13396512
To add to Bernhard he is someone who wore death on his sleeve and was constantly aware and surrounded by death. Tried killing himself when he was 7.

>>13396512
>>13396528
based and werewolf pilled

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Furiously debating Online whether Cioran was a vampire or a Werewolf

>>13396528
>Tried killing himself when he was 7.
evidence?

Who is top right and bottom left?

>>13396770
http://shirtysleeves.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-translation-of-der-wald-ist-gro-die.html?m=1

>>13395778
>no Krasznahorkai
kys

>>13395778
>mfw Land is not in the picture

>>13397668
Land is a hack

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>>13396505
Trakl was one of the best German language poets. If you know German you should absolutely read him, if you need a translation then it's probably not worth it (as is the case with most poetry).

>>13396782
Bottom left is Georg Trakl

Who's top right and centre left?

>>13399069
Artaud, Blanchot

>>13395778
What about Klossowsski and Sade?

>>13399051
Nah man, Trakl's diction is really simple and elemental (his motifs are evening, silence, the color purple, etc) and his poetry is almost entirely image based. Robert Bly and James Wright have some great translations of his poems. They were so transformed by translating him that it profoundly changed their own poems (and poetics).

>>13395778
>The light engenders monsters, it contains the principle of Evil.
ftfy

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>>13395778
>The rabid dogs who dwell in the abyss of the night. They are those who champion imperfection, unreason, fragmentation, and distortion. The night engenders monsters, it contains the principle of Evil. It is the kingdom of the negative, the matrix of every illusion.
Would pessimists also fall into this category? Writers like Leopardi, Schopenhauer or Mainländer.
What about the "Poètes maudits" and other "darker" poets?

>>13395778
whos the bottom left nigga?

>>13400530
All of the names are in the thread

>>13396782
Artaud, the absolute madlad, is top right

Is Bataille worth reading? Where do I start with his non-fiction?

A lot of people gloss over how dark some of Hegel's philosophy can be

"This image belongs to Spirit. Spirit is in possession of the image, is master of it. It is stored in the Spirit’s treasury, in its Night. The image is unconscious, i.e., it is not displayed as an object for representation. The human being is this Night, this empty nothing which contains everything in its simplicity – a wealth of infinitely many representations, images, none of which occur to it directly, and none of which are not present. This [is] the Night, the interior of [human] nature, existing here – pure Self – [and] in phantasmagoric representations it is night everywhere: here a bloody head suddenly shoots up and there another white shape, only to disappear as suddenly. We see this Night when we look a human being in the eye, looking into a Night which turns terrifying. [For from his eyes] the night of the world hangs out toward us."

unpopular opinion: "edge" isn't bad. there is nothing wrong with "edgy" authors and literature

>>13401675
that isnt umpopular we love edge lit here

>>13401801
I meant unpopular globally
it is a popular dismissal: X is edgy or a fedora tip

>>13401579
Absolutely Nyxpilled. Didn't expect such openness to the obscure from Hegel.

>>13401579
Why is that considered dark?

>>13396763
this should be a banner

>>/lit/image/ULpbPul3PLvH0LTXI5tdJQ

whats going on big guy

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>>13401579

I believe this is the meaning of "the waters" in Genesis.

>In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

>>13402787
He was foreshadowing the holocaust

more like the deviantart users of philosophy, fag