/lit/ - Literature

Holy shit you have to go back.

>>13392624
this is not /pol/.

>>13392629
>>13392630

Not really, this is a thread for discussion on why people are so naive to follow such ideology of what some schizos wrote.

>>13392645
The communists haven't been in power anywhere after 1926.

>>13392645
is human suffering bad?
It certainly doesn't seem the case for animals. So why would I care about humans?

>>13392624
Okay reddit

>>13392624
When will Fascists/Nazi retards understand they are Wrong and their pathetic ideology is nothing but Trash meant to D&C?

>>13392673
>So why would I care about humans?

You are mentally ill, seek help.

>>13392672
Oh yeah? Didn't know

>>13392624
CapIitalism is flawed. Yes aspects of communism are terrible, advocating for violence for example, but its ideas regarding equity of opportunity are sound. The concept of a universal basic income is socialist in a sense but it would be awesome if it were implemented under capitalism.

Now leave.

>>13392692
I don't support Fascism/NationalSocialism, nice try though

>>13392711
In that case you're even more pathetic

>>13392717
>I love my hegelian dialectis, Mommy! Daddy! Dichotomy!

And you call me Pathetic

>>13392704
>The concept of a universal basic income is socialist in a sense but it would be awesome if it were implemented under capitalism.

>>13392704
Do you know that capitalism was implemented through a violent revolution against feudalism? Violence is inherent to every political ideology.

>>13392700
Fidel isn't a communist. He is an aristocrat posing as a revolutionary.

>>13392762
Times have changed. We can make do with the threat of violence from the state these days.

>>13392798
No?
I'm not communist but the threat of the state is literally the reason capitalism got as wide spread as it is

You think people choose the democratic way through peaceful coercion?

>>13392700
>You are mentally ill, seek help.
An arbitrary definition made up by society to neutralize those that may pose a threat to the system.
I don't care about human suffering. It actually fills me with pleasure.

>>13392822
Huh? I agree. I'm not anti-capitalism. It's the best system we have until we integrate more socialist ideas and transcend the arbitrary left/right divide.

>>13392866
No, That's retarded
The allocation of resources for a group should not be left up to a committee or """"da individual"""" like so many socialists and communists want. Nor do I believe in the anarchistic way of simply having no government.
The best case of governance I predict will be a Corporate Republic with checks and balances by a monarchical power to prevent monopolistic control and a propagandized belief systems.

If we progress further into the future our population will become more widespread resulting in more individual forms of government since basically any form of government can work on a smaller scale of people where all individual needs can be met

There will never come a time where a wide spread population that exists on a variety of different worlds will simply follow one system of governance like your star trek believe of universal socialism. Especially if we can never break past light speed and the time to get to other solar systems reaches into 50+ years

>>13392966
All we need is a guaranteed minimum income to alleviate suffering. This would still allow those who work harder and smarter to have much more than those who do nothing.

And I agree we need government and that it can be minimized to some extent.

>>13393003
>in year x you need, say, 1000$/€ per month to alleviate suffering
>implement basic income, give everyone 1000$/€
>suddenly prices rising because everyone has more money
>in year x+1 you now suddenly need 2000$/€ per month to alleviate suffering

it just wont work, stop being an inferior human being and wanting to live off of the surplus value that better men and women than you create.

>>13393003
Uh no, Money is simply a transfer of goods and services, giving anyone free income doesn't change the fact that goods and services are limited to the amount of resources people have

You can't give everyone steak and potatoes if steak and potatoes are not unlimited
Even than if they were it would simply come down to who owns whatever else that is limited leading to a system of class controlled with no ability for any class to move above

Suffering is usually what leads to class growth due to wanting to get out of a situation
Hence the idea of
>The genius of a poor man / The retard of a rich man

Needs arise from necessity
If there is no necessity the need does not arrive

Creating a standard leads to monopolistic control of a government or a System which leads to a nanny state
There are already real life examples of that
Look at the way the west treats Africans, They literally retard them by giving them free shit to the point where their population becomes unsustainable and nobody can do anything to help their impending doom of peak population growth which will eventually lead to mass deaths.

>>13392782
Actually he's dead

>>13393003
The suffering is required for there to be constant demand for jobs that depresses wages and keeps production profitable for the capitalist.

>>13393043
If the prices rise up too much, most people wouldn't be able to afford shit and the people trying to profit would end up empty-handed too.

>>13393066
>Look at the way the west treats Africans
Buying their governments to extract resources, brainwashing them with Christfag propaganda and throwing out trash at them, calling it aid?

>Needs arise from necessity
What necessity is there in having a new phone every year?

>>13393389
>What necessity is there in having a new phone every year?
It's not a necessity, it's a want to acquire wealth
Do you understand the difference between wants and needs?

>Buying their governments to extract resources, brainwashing them with Christfag propaganda and throwing out trash at them, calling it aid?
Apparently you don't seeing as how you're 0 iq communist and have no understanding of history

>>13393447
>Do you understand the difference between wants and needs?
So what's the issue covering for the needs of everyone but letting them pursue their wants? It's definitely not a question of resources.

>have no understanding of history
Including the historic pillaging of the region would probably trigger you too much. I kept it simple. Sorry it was still too much.

>>13393464
Peoples needs are synonyms with their wants

>Including the historic pillaging of the region
Is it pillaging everytime Europe and Chian buys gas from Russia?

>>13393485
>Peoples needs are synonyms with their wants
So we're back to iPhones being a need?

>Is it pillaging everytime Europe and Chian buys gas from Russia?
Russia is somewhat independent, so obviously no. Although it does support their regime, so it's still an act against most Russian people.

>>13393498
There are things that are both wants and needs
Not everything that is a want is a need and not every need is a want

How is it not?
The Europeans and the Chinese take advantage of the resources of the country in which they acquire it at a lower price than the wealth of the good?
Why is one considered pillaging while the other isn't

Is it because africans are low iq savage retards and you have a want to protect them like pets?
Is that the reason?

>>13393515
>There are things that are both wants and needs
Which we're not discussing because it's fucking stupid. Most UBI and the likes suggestions are about the needs only.

>Why is one considered pillaging while the other isn't
One is buying resources from an independent state. (Admittedly without giving too many fucks about the people) the other is buying the fucking leaders of a state and creating conditions in which they don't have much of a choice.

Gas from Russia is basically buying from a sweatshop owner while cobalt from Congo is building the sweatshop yourself and installing an owner.

>>13392624
read more

>>13393546
>Most UBI and the likes suggestions are about the needs only.
Welfare is currently being used to buy things like expensive food, Alchoal, Ciggies, and other luxuries. To the point where it's traded for cash as well to buy even hard drugs
How would one enforce the UBI to buy only the needs of a person? On a scale of 7 billion people

>Gas from Russia is basically buying from a sweatshop owner while cobalt from Congo is building the sweatshop yourself and installing an owner.
Oh so you mean like The largest gas company Gazaprom and China who work near in tandem with each other to supply the natural resources of Russia to China? Because as you probably know, Chinese companies and it's government have a large majority stake in Gazaprom

You knew that right?

>>13393619
>Welfare is currently being used
That doesn't matter. It's calculated based on persons needs, whether the person chooses to spend it on rice or hookers is their problem.

>a large majority stake in Gazaprom
How is that of any relevancy? It's still a Russian company run criminals in Russia operating in their interest under the laws of a state that has the theoretical power to do anything they want to it about it. It's not like Chinks bought Putin to get exclusive supply on Russian resources and the ability to make laws supporting their agenda as they do in Africa.

And it's not like a country getting sold is even a purely African issue, EU, Chinks and Russians do pillage Greece right now.

if the atom bomb taught us anything its that Capitalism isn't going down without wiping out humanity with it. we can't do without capitalism, we must go through it, see it all the way to the end and confront its lack; a planned economy. unfortunately as long as the goyim square castles keep bailing us out we will never be able confront that situation.

>>13393722
What the fuck is the relation between Capitalism and nukes, when nazis attempted to get theirs and Commies got theirs at about the same time.

>>13393688
So you clearly just want people to get free money and don't care at all about their needs

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE POINT OF YOUR STUPID FAGGOT IPHONE ANALOGY THAN

I can't even decipher your second fucking point because you don't even know how to write which is ironic because this is a forum dedicated to literature

Off yourself you fucking mong

>>13393587
Tell me about communist and socialist genocides. Why are they so evil?

>>13392624
All of this but unironically

>>13393799
>So you clearly just want people to get free money and don't care at all about their needs
I want people to get enough free money to cover their needs and allow some basis to work towards their wants. Or basically a liveable wage. UBI and the likes isn't some novel concept at this point, what's so complicated about it?

>WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE POINT OF YOUR STUPID FAGGOT IPHONE ANALOGY THAN
Go back to your own post and the difference between wants and needs, which you still seem confused about.

And yeah, not being able to read on a forum dedicated for lit is ironic indeed. Just keep practicing, friend!

>>13392624
I agree, but this is /lit/ and you need to fuck of to /pol/. I don't even TRY to Randpost on that shithole for a reason.

>>13392624
>t. guy who thinks school shootings are staged

>>13393858
This but with extreme sarcasm