/lit/ - Literature

just finished echopraxia today. wish i hadn't put it off so long after finishing blindsight, i would have caught on to stuff much quicker if i hadn't. but i read somewhere it's a "sidequel" to blindsight so figured it wouldn't be worth reading as i usually dislike reading books "set in the same universe but not a sequel"

but the plots of the two are fairly tightly interwoven. 7/10 would recommend.

>>13372298
Have any of you read Tom Delongs Sekret machines books?
Trying to find the second book online and it is nowhere to be found.

snaderfag a hag

Redpill me on this series.

>>13372806
The best grimdark on the market.
Alternatively, the most accurate portrayal of women in modern fantasy.

>>13372806
Pretty boring and too up its own ass with self-importance. I will praise Bakker though for creating villains that feel truly evil and horrific and vile and a bunch of other adjectives. More so than any other fantasy story/series I've read so far.

>>13372894
>the consult
>villains

Pick one and only one

I wish there were more Elder Scrolls books, that world is unironically more interesting that 95% of the shit out there.

>>13373031
how many are there and where to start with them

>>13372607
Nope, can't find it in the usual places. Depending on how desperate you are, you can get it from myanonymouse or the mobilism request section. Will probably take some time and effort though.

Anyone read this?
This author is know for his sjw injections. Don't want to touch this and it ends up the protag is gay or something.

reading brave new world rn, surprisingly funnier than I expected

Whooops, posted in the old thread:

>>13372812
Guy from Youtube's first book
https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Conqueror-Chronicles-Everfall-Book-ebook/dp/B07TB4YSHX

Why the fug is sffg moving so sanic fast?

>>13373126
Why are you shilling his book?
If the person asked in the last thread, they would check the last thread for answers.

what are your favorite high fantasy novels with lots of cute girls?

>>13373158
I'm not shilling anything, I just responded in a dead thread. I want the person asking to get their answer, so I tagged it here in the new thread, that will be looked at.
Not every mention of a fantasy book, in a fantasy book thread, on a book board, is shilling. Chill.

Talking about shilling, is that faggot that used shill his bunny book still around or did we run him away forever?

>>13372607
Bump. Anyone read them?

>>13373192
Waldo rabbit?

>>13373192
>or did we run him away forever?
Yes,i think it was around when bird came around and he got angry that people were paying more attention to his posts and he got mad when someone started reporting his post because of avatarfaggin.

>>13373111
its kinda a coming of age story.
its alright but its nothing special. dont feel bad for skipping it.

Regarding next months read, it's currently a tie at 8 and last time I looked it was a tie at 7. Since you people are unable to pick a book I'll have to do it. We'll read The Library at Mount Char next, it's shorter and the cover does not look like something out of my mothers erotica collection.

Discussion about Lord of Light will happen in next thread.

>>13373094
2. And it's a duology so the first one probably.
They're kind of childish though, I'd only recommend them if you're a big fan.

>>13371871
Sorry for not answering in the last thread, I did not see your post in time. I guess I could have but I wanted to have a buffer thread between voting and discussion and 3 days should be enough for most regulars to see the post.

>>13373326
Compared to Cradle and the Divine Dungeon series, how is it?

>>13373528
cradle is xanxia this is wuxia. cradle is much better though. this is really down to earth and very slow for what it is. try "painting the mists". thats more like cradle.
havent read divine dungeon.

>>13373374
>and the cover does not look like something out of my mothers erotica collection.
I swear Stover should be legally allowed to murder whateber Del Rey employee decided to give his book that cover. I'm 100% certain that it has been directly responsible for a huge number of lost sales over the past 20+ years.

>>13373713
With that said I still voted for Char bc that's one I haven't read yet and I've heard good things. Meme or truth, guess we'll find out.

I'm like 100 pages into "The Blade Itself" and feel like it still hasn't hooked me. Nothing particularly interesting has happened yet either plot or character wise.

Do things pick up later or is this series not for me?

>>13373794
I don't really know what your expectations are so I can't say what you mean by "pick up". I've read the entire First Law trilogy but didn't really enjoy it, so I can't endorse it unconditionally, but I can at least inform you if your expectations will be met.

>>13373528
>>13373326
Have you read cultivating choas? If you ignore the wannabe harem shit, how is First Step compared to that?

>>13373326
>>13373623
>Have you read cultivating choas? If you ignore the wannabe harem shit, how is First Step compared to that?

>>13373126
>that pic
Those are the shits we share a site with?
Are you one of those underage b&?

>>13373934
it was kinda alright. the thing it did right is playing into all the chink novel cliches.
dont mind the harem it wasnt badly done but what. that being said, i think its the weakest arand book so far.

>>13373961
Don't be so insecure. No harm in communing with your lil' bro self. Maybe you can even forgive him.

>>13373985
The look like smug cunts who always mouthed off to adults. I always wanted to punch cunts like that.

>>13373983
>>13373934
>>13373623
>>13373326
I read cultivating chaos, I wanted to know how was that First Step compared to it. That is Wuxia too right?

>>13373528
How many books is DD planned to be, if known? I just began book 2.

>>13373623
ONE MORE FUCKING MONTH FUCK

>>13374018
To forgive them for being young and dumb is to forgive yourself my brother.

>>13374037
>confess
I was respectful to adults when I was a kid. It's what urges me to smack them.

What are some good books where time travel plays a major factor? Got recommended pic related on /lit/, been listening to it on audio book, the beginning was slow and dry, but it got good once the plot started taking shape.

Post fantasy songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVXy1OhaERY

>>13374132
>>>/mu/

>>13374153
I like it better here.

>>13373983
>the weakest arand book so far.
Nah. Both Dungeon deposed and Otherlife are much worse.

>>13373299
I told him he should have avatarfaggoted with sexy/cute bunnygirls instead.

>>13374157
>>13374132
Enjoy your ban then, famalam

>>13374261
I don't know why we can't have some artistic mix.
>fantasy and sci fi
>but only in WRITTEN format
So, are audiobooks banned? What about song lyrics, are they allowed? Chill out, dude. It's not like I'm spamming the thread.

>>13372806
Just read these three. I’m doing the sequel series and it really is the slog of slogs

>>13373961
They are mostly on /v/ and /pol/,/lit/ is pretty safe.
>>13374122
The Big Time
The Corridors of Time
Saga of the Pliocene Exile

>>13374185
Otherlife is fine but it's strange that for a tame /e/ series it's the setting for all his other hardcore books.

>>13374185
Otherlife is understandably not as good as the newer books considering it was his first ever writing attempt. That being said i do like Dungeon Deposed a lot. Cultivating Chaos however i do not like what so ever. It has a lot of pacing issues and apart from the characters doesn't really offer anything new or interesting at all that would keep you invested in the series. Also as a side note, the release schedule is tied to Blaise Corvin. Who notoriously is a lazy fuck.

>>13374607
Supposedly, pretty soon some of the books are about whats happening with the remnants of Humanity that are hiding out in space away from the omega. I think he mentioned in a blog post that whats happening on the space ship in the servers is really gonna be a small part of the over-arching story.

>>13373528
>>13374034
Don't forget to try Wandering Inn if you liked DD.

>>13374274
No one likes you mufags

>>13374631
>Blaise Corvin. Who notoriously is a lazy fuck.
And a hack. He mad cause arand morw popular than him. Arand doesn't force faggot drag hags in his books for literally nothing.

>>13374730
We aren't talking about dungeons and dragons.
When the author releases wandering inn without the 10kpage bloat we will read.

>>13373008
They were the villains up until the WHAT A TWEEST at the end of the last book.

>tried writing after work since I had some spare time
>had to leave for a dnd game.
>didn't finish my writing
>now I don't want to

dammit, I wasted my motivation pretending to be a level 2 paladin

>>13374988
The good thing about cellphones is that they have built in voice recorders. Layout what you wanted or expected to write about, so it isn't forgotten.

>>13373961
Mad boomer.

Where's a good place to get free audibooks?

I just finished playing Prey, are there any similar books?
The only sci-fi I have read are basic shit like Old Mans War, Forever War, Children of Time (sadly), and The Mote in Gods Eye

I don't know if this is the right place but any books that involve metaphysics? Preferred if it wasnt too fantasy or too sci-fi but at some point in modern time.

Thanks in Advance.

>>13375478
Fuck forgot to site an example

For example: Neon Genesis Evangelion

>>13375478
>metaphysics
You mean supernatural elements/? I think you will find all fantasy novels involve these.

>>13375478
>>13375486
Or if you mean "exploring the essence of being" etc, you can try The Chronicles of Narnia or His Dark Materials.
Hard to say if they are taking place "in modern time" because of the way they are structured, and they are "very fantasy".

>>13372298
Just finished the man in the high castle, it was pretty good

>>13374122
Dinosaur Beach, easily one of the best time travel books ever.

>>13373713
Del Rey and Baen have the most outrageous covers. They can be ridiculously bad.

>>13373374
>The Library at Mount Char
Fine by me. It'll be fun to see what that shill was on about.

>>13375735

>>13375735
>>13375802

>>13375735
>>13375802
>>13375806

Give me your best Bizzare sci-fi/Fantasy shills
(Ex. Strugatskys)

>>13375735
> the man in the high castle

The ending fucked it all up.

>>13375833
Area X

>>13372298
What are some works you remember being ridiculously ahead of their time in concepts they presented?

>>13375813
>BA卐INGA
Gets me every time

>>13375833
The Voyage to Arcturus

>>13375836
yeah sorta but i enjoyed the world and characters, a lot like y the last man that way. I've never experienced media with a good ending though so maybe it actually ruined the book

>>13375844
LotR

Anons,
Its is I, the same Anon who posted a few months ago. We need a better rec chart to replace the mediocre ones in the sticky.
inb4 the chart sucks: (you) can be the one who suggests what should be added/removed.
Red question mark highlights books I am thinking about removing.

>>13376034
The Selected Fantasy chart is already better than this.
If you still want to make another chart separate SF and Fantasy works, don't throw in a few token dystopian SF books into a chart mostly filled with Fantasy books. And try not to repeat authors, even if it's Wolfe.

Also, Edgar Allan Poe? Really?

If you really want to improve the charts, work on the chart that has sub genre specific recs. It's by far the worst chart.

>>13376158
>The Selected Fantasy chart is already better than this.
That chart has The Buried Giant and a Feist book, how is it better? Also, the chart is way to small to serve as the representative rec chart, especially given that some of those 16 books seem to never be talked about on sffg.
>If you still want to make another chart separate SF and Fantasy works, don't throw in a few token dystopian SF books into a chart mostly filled with Fantasy books
Fair point, but the chart is a prototype, and hence it being homogeneous is normal. It will be fixed as I add more books.
>Also, Edgar Allan Poe? Really?
I honestly don't see your point. He is a great author of speculative fiction, who influenced (directly or indirectly) almost everyone on the charts, mine or otherwise.

Anyways, I don't claim my chart is amazing, but the existing charts have some fundamental problems and so I believe we should work on fixing them.

>>13374122
The most boring bits are the ones where they're not talking about time traveling.

>>13376034
What chart do you even want to replace with that one?

>>13376034
When did someone put that in the OP? Someone was trolling newcomers. I haven't paid attention to the links in the OP in a year and a half.
Wtf is dhalgren, grace of kingw doing there? Who changed shit?
This is taking it too far. The conan troll was fucking with the OP.

>>13376231
>a Feist book
This is literally the only problem with the chart.

What are you currently reading?

I can't decide if I actually enjoyed this book. I can't deny that it was well written and interesting, but it took a lot of effort took to read, and ultimately it was just a neat sci-fi story. It seems like all the prose and obfuscation was spent on something of little substance that didn't warrant it and thus wasn't really worth the difficulty. Not sure if I want to read anymore Gene Wolfe books.

This is a fantasy novel:
https://www.amazon.com/Haru-Sex-Worker-Another-World-ebook/dp/B07FXHXLRS

So far so good.

>>13376672
If you can read this and all the related novels down below, without contracting cancer or any other bodily malady, i will personally crown you as king of /lit/.

>>13376581
The barrow. Sadly no carpet munchers were raped.

>>13376672
Delete that photo or get your post deleted.

>>13376672
Thanks, I bought it.

>>13376786
>Sadly no carpet munchers were raped
wat

>>13373794
I felt like the entire trilogy was slow as fuck and the standalones were much better in that regard. The issue is starting with the standalones means it's not really worth reading the trilogy at all given how much stuff gets spoiled.

>>13376360
Uh, it could just be added without removing anything desu. Selected fantasy/selected scifi/scifi crash course are OK, even if they contain a few questionable choices, but the rest could be replaced with plain out "most popular books, straight from reddit" and the amount of changes would be surprisingly low. I would advocate the removal of those charts.

Seriously, you have to be a special kind of retarded to defend a chart that contains Abercombie, Jordan, Goodkind, Weeks and Feist. I am surprised Sanderson is not on there desu.

>>13374547
>Saga of the Pliocene Exile
Now that's a series I haven't seen mentioned in a long time.

>>13373794
The entire first book is basically an exposition dump.

>>13376876
Honestly, the fantasy flowchart and NPR chart should just be removed.

A general chart does not have to consist of amazing books, so while I would not personally recommend them I feel like Sanderson, Jordan and even Abercombie could fit on a general chart (I have not read anything by Feist).

>>13376876
You have to be some kind of homosexual degenerate if you want Conan, dhalgren, Moorecock, grace of kings in a list.
I'm surprised you don't want to add Hogg or story of the eye desu.

>>13376231
>and a Feist book
It's Feist's collaboration with Wurts, and about 50x better than anything else the guy has touched as a result. Quite a pleasant read and has a female lead who isn't the typical "She can fight and do everything just as well as men can or maybe even better, and is a GIRL!" or "My main struggle is deciding which Chad will I choose of the two rival Chads in love with me?!" trash.

I'd easily put it above some stuff on the proposed new chart, like Grace of Kings. I choose this comparison specifically because both books are set in totally-not-Asia.

>>13376896
>A general chart does not have to consist of amazing books, so while I would not personally recommend them I feel like Sanderson, Jordan and even Abercombie could fit on a general chart
Absolutely not, go hang yourself right now for saying something so breathtakingly stupid. Might as well change the name from sffg to reddit general if we do that. Fucking idiot.

>>13376905
I don't like Conan and Elric, but they get discussed a lot in this general so I feelt like I should add them. I would note that almost ever other chart that is in the sticky ALSO has them. However, I am thinking about just deleting them, and making this a chart for books that are great, as opposed to influential/popular.
I will remove grace of kings next prototype desu.
Delany and Bataille are fantastic authors though (even if the latter isn't something for this chart), fuck off.

>>13376231
How is the Buried Giant bad?
Too literary?

>>13376962
Its by far the worst of Ishiguro's works and a few fantasy authors have said that its disrespectful to fantasy as a genre, which I do not agree with, but it is quite clear Ishiguro should stay away from fantasy.
Also, if I had something against literary works, do you think I would have added Bulgakov and Crowley?

As a side note, I am not the >>13376958 anon, but I agree with him. >>13376896 is correct about the NPR chart, but if he thinks general chart is good, he should go to reddit or myanimelist.

>>13376985
>disrespectful to fantasy as a genre
As it deserves respect? Hahaha.

>>13376962
It's philosophical ramblings about human loss and memories. Absolute shit. If you are into that and your name is Axl, then go ahead.

>>13376991
Bold of you to insult Homer, Goethe, Anonymous and Shakespeare all at once.

>>13376034
I would include Canticl for Leibowitz and Blindsight in that rec chart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6LiVJkwyA

>yfw the songs accomplish in a few minutes what 99% of modern scifi authors can't accomplish in 1000 pages of crud

Why are authors so unimpressive at the moment? Except for a few gems here and there, I can't think of any scifi that has been a joy to read, had good prose, characters with depth, coherent plotting or an interesting idea/message behind the text.

>>13376994
Of course, you don't want to think.

>>13376985
Even despite being his worst work, it's still better than what most fantasy authors can come up with.

>disrespectful to fantasy as a genre
As if a genre of Mistborn and Wheel of Time deserves any.

>>13377052
>Of course, you don't want to think
I was promised one thing and scammed with another. That is why buried giant is shit.
Please kys. You are probably the shill who keeps recommending it. Neck yourself.

>>13376034
Why is dhalgren on that chart? I liked it, but I'd hardly recommend to someone looking for sff

>>13377069
Maybe pic related is more up your alley then.
Just the right amount of complexity for you.

>>13377003
Because that's obviously to whom one is referring when speaking of the "fantasy genre," right?

Slightly updated version

>>13377077
I would remove it, given that three comments asked me to, but I am not convinced you are not just one trolling Anon. Probably gonna remove it anyways, once I think of a replacement (Maybe Moore's Jerusalem? I haven't read it, but it seems to fit the same category as Dhalgren and I have heard very good things. Alternativelly another Delany book).

>>13377078
I know you think you are a cool, literary kid, but in reality you either:
a) Haven't read Peace, Little Big, Master & Margarita and don't know what good literary fantasy looks like.
b) Are mentally retarded

Why aren't you writing litrpg yet?
https://blog.aboutamazon.com/books-and-authors/video-games-you-can-read

>>13377133
Being this smug while recommending China Mieville.
Yikes.

>>13374972
They were never the villains. Sealing the world is the only logical choice

>>13377133
We is literally the worst authoritarian dystopia and randomly picking up Dhalgren from a chart will make almost anyone hate the book.

>>13377155
of course amazon promotes that hack

>>13377155
Because I'm busy bitching about recommendation charts.

>>13376672
It's time to stop Japan

>>13373008
>>13377212
Don't you have some more babies to rape and eat instead of shitposting?

> new One Piece isn't up on JB yet
>Uncrowned isn't out yet
>still don't know how many books Divine Dungeon is planned to be

>>13376034
>We need a better rec chart to replace the mediocre ones in the sticky.
good idea
>>13376876
>it could just be added without removing anything
the last thing the OP needs is MORE useless charts and additional garbage bloating up the already sizable monstrosity the copypasta is, you disgusting fucking faggot
just post your OC rec thread in each and every thread like those 2-4 other guys do since making your own personal chart is all the rage nowadays

>>13377155
>video-games-you-can-read
Literally what I think when I read litRPG. I've had bad luck finding decent series'. I dropped Stork Tower because it didn't actually involve climbing a Tower and it dropped RPG elements at me out of nowhere once the VR kicked in although the book summary didn't make it out to sound VR at all, just a regular sci-fi story. Nova Terra was bland and the 'big twist' at the end MC's party betrays him as a sacrifice that he survives was foreshadowed well enough but ultimately not that shocking of a reveal. The writing for MC is fine enough but I wasn't interested to continue with the sequel.

anyone got links to latest dan abnett wh40k books, anarch and magus?

>>13372324
i quit on that particular author after that underwater novel where it's painfully obvious that he has zero talent when it comes to writing dialogue and/or resolving plots. i enjoyed cosmic aberrations of blindsight to an extent but it always got marred by the author's ineptness when dealing with every other aspect of the novel-work.

>>13377133
Jerusalem is bad for the same reason that Dhalgren is bad. Don't put either on the list. If someone decides they want to read some interminable cod-pomo novel then they can go for it, but don't enable them in their crimes.

What is the purpose of this chart? Is it to serve as an introduction to the genre? We already have the crash course chart and it's pretty good, but SF-only. Is it just "these are good"? There are already charts like this. Why do you have "historical" entries like Poe and Howard but not Verne or Wells?

Does the protagonist of this book have any romantic interest? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34532979-battle-mage

>>13377133
The only scifi that happens in dhalgren is the laser light chain they wore. Nothing else comes close. Unless you think wonton buggery is scifi. Faggot.

>>13377133
Just include N.K. Jemisin while you're at it.

/sffg/, im considering doing some recipe testing this weekend to see if the foods in my book are actually edible. specifically, im testing the bread the mc tries to make out of cocoa powder.

im thinking Ill test four variables (dark vs. dutch processed, unsweetened vs. glycerin, and unsoaked vs soaked, oil vs no oil)

in all likelihood im going to produce food that will make me want to vomit, but at least ill be doing something. wish me luck

>>13377133
why did you remove the grace of kings? its good shit

>>13377561
How about doing the reverse and putting food in your book from recipes or you cooked before? I'm sure there's some cocoa powder baking out there.

Dhalgren shall be removed next prototype
>>13377506
>Why do you have "historical" entries like Poe and Howard but not Verne or Wells?
Because the chart is unfinished, and I haven't decide which of their works I want to choose
>What is the purpose of this chart?
To replace one of the retard sticky charts that contain Sanderson, Jordan, Weeks and other mediocrities.
>>13377561
I got at least 2 comments asking to remove it, and it had (as of yet) no impact on the genre, and is more of a personal favorite than an widely-acclaimed classic.

>>13375486
>>13375478
Yeah,pretty much every scifi novel is about that,specially the older ones.

>>13376876
>Feist
He is under the Entry Level section so it's fine.goodkind weeks and abercrombie are shit even for people that are just starting reading fantasy so they should be removed. and literary everyones knows about WoT so it shouldn't be on a chart.
The Flowchart and the NPR list is absolute shit tho

>>13376786
I can't believe the plain crossdressing girl never got to have sex

The most she did in the entire book was masturbate in a bathtub

>>13377603
If you want to put a Delany book just put something like Nova or Babel-17.if you wanted to put dhalgren for the degeneracy just put a book by Robert Silverberg or Robert Heinlein instead,they are degenerates but they are more fun to read.

Man, is there ANYONE Wright's level these days? Just started this after Count to Infinity and I can already tell it's gonna be hot fire.

>>13377571
in the case of this story, the recipes can't be based on the sorts of things i normally cook because the whole premise revolves around the MC only avoiding starving through science rather than hunting/farming skills

as a result the ingredients he has to work with are things that you need to apply science to in order to render them edible

you saw how I mentioned glycerin there? the world doesnt have sugar, or honey, fruit, or any other kind of sweetener but it does have oil, wood and water, and salt. that glycerin is something he makes for himself by burning the wood to ash and boiling it with the other three to split the oil into soap and glycerin

>>13377908
I see. Sounds interesting, but don't die.

>>13377864
If he wants to put a Delany book in his chart he should read one first. Same goes for the rest of the chart, instead of just grabbing titles his thinks are extra /lit/.

>>13375478
anathem

>>13377929
as much as I would like to test the chemistry, im only going to be testing the cooking for safety's sake. as a result, the only challenge is where to buy glycerin

This cunt does know that an incubus is an male demon that feeds off the lust of women, right?

>>13378265
The person in the cover is a Girl(male)

>>13377516
it's fantasy then, who gives a shit

>>13378265
Honestly i don't like the newer covers he gets.
For example Pic related is the old Dungeon Deposed cover. Which i like much more than the "generic female on the front" type covers so many authors are fond off now. I did like the Wild Wastes covers though.

And this is the "new" Dungeon Deposed cover;
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5168CkWUVpL._SY346_.jpg

>>13378265
Maybe it's a futa?

>>13378265
clearly the mc is gonna be an incubus of some kind. also incubi and succubi already appeared previously in his novels so he clearly knows which is which.

>>13378312
I absolutely agree. Even the Covers Michael Scott-Earle had were better. Could be just the new artist though. Arand commissioned covers and fanart from ameliaparris.com previously. Which the cover you posted was from. Don't know who the current artist is. I mean its not a bad artist but it does look very bland and boring in comparison.

>>13376870
carpet muncher is a euphemism for lebanese people

>>13376985
I'm opposed to shilling Sanderson because he doesn't need it, anons that haven't heard of him will. Rec charts should be unique, that self-pub chart is a good one, the GRI chart, /ss, that sort of thing.

>>13378312
Does he fuck the minotaur guardian?

>>13378480
she gave him a blowjob in the second book, seems like he will in book 3

>>13378265
If I've learned anything from 12 years on 4chan, that's a man.

>>13378605
We all know there is no such thing as GOTIS.
Its all made up on the internet.

>>13377901
As far as his connection to classic fantasy and SF goes, there are a lot of modern writers who are well read but most of them are either hacks like Gaiman or malicious hacks like Swanwick. As far as bringing that sense of grandeur, the only recent author that pops up in my head is Pierce Brown

yeah the prose is trash but there were very satisfying action beats and the space romans were AESTHETIC

Dune sequels worth reading?

>>13378639
If you really like Dune you may keep reading until God Emperor.

>>13376786
Do you know when will the second book come out ?

>>13378639

The best cover is the Remnant cover and you all can go suck my pepee

>>13378897
Imagine if there was no summary and you had to decide if you are or are not to read book based on cover; it tells you so much (not).

>>13378913
>>13378913
>>13378913

>>13378913
>it tells you so much (not).
But it does though, it clearly displays the best waifu and aspect of the book. That's all you need to know.

>>13378897
>big tiddy goat girl
Based as fuck. Too bad I'm not a fan of erotica.

>>13378960
clearly the best waifu was the kobold girl. also the lamia.

What are some actual high quality books featuring monster girls?

>>13378913
Actually it tells you everything you need to know about Arand/Darren books: That it's fanfic level dogshit. It's the male equivalent of horny old housewives reading 50 Shades of Grey.
Absolutely mind-blowing that we talk shit about Reddit for their constant fawning Abercrombie/Erikson/Lawrence/Sanderson worship when people here have regular and sincere discussions about this even worse tier of garbage. It's embarrassing.
>"But they're fun!"
The excuse of every person ever defending their shameful love of garbage. Nobody who reads and enjoys these books and has any capacity for self-reflection should be able to criticize redditfags or even women who love shitty YA romances.

>>13379059
50 Shades of Grey is a world wide phenomena, it's more like Harlequin books for males.

>>13379059
Yes let’s discuss BotNS again.

>>13379059
post bobs

>>13379311
an vagene

>>13379059
Agreed but I'm not sure what you honestly expect from /lit/ and specifically /sffg/. This is still 4chan.

>>13379207
This is a fair point.
>>13379256
>Only Gene Wolfe and selfpub harem trash exist
Honestly though, if these were the only two options, I would pick eternal BotNS discussion every time. I'd take eternal pulp S&S discussion over this. I'd take eternal r/Fantasy favorites discussion over this. Fuck, I'd take eternal Belgariad discussion over this.
Almost every popular fantasy book or series /sffg/ turns its nose up at is at least better than Arand's stuff. (Except maybe Night Angel Trilogy)

>>13378247
>glycerin
Any pharmacy it's cheap. They sell it over here for like [converted] a buck fifty. But knowing Kalpistan, they probably selling it for $20.

Gonna start reading some more Gene Wolfe tomorrow, feels good man.

>>13377833
Well she was diddled as a kid, but I expected more. I am totally disappointed.

>>13379032
I've been looking for a while and haven't found any, I don't think it's something that attracts authors who aren't hacks or 4channel anons looking for written fapbait. You'll have to write the high quality monster girl stories yourself.

>>13378605
>If I've learned anything from 12 years on 4chan, that's a man.
You might be onto something.
>angled to hide adams apple and man shoulders
>poses hands so they don't look as manly
>obviously hides the bulge
>stations feet so their manliness doesn't show

>>13378458
>that self-pub chart is a good one
t-thanks anon

>>13379560
https://www.draw.io/

>>13379411
>Except maybe Night Angel Trilogy)
Breeks anon. I really want you to stop being so hurt that Weeks fucked your girl when he was bar tending. Stop adding this extra stress to your life. Just forget about that skank. She isn't worth you holding onto this hate for literally years. You daily burn with hatred of Weeks. This isn't conducive to your health.

>>13379560
You could add a summary and a rating if you wanted, maybe how bad the prose is or how lewd the content

>>13379587
>You could add a summary and a rating if you wanted, maybe how bad the prose is or how lewd the content
If I did that, I could include the ones that didn't make the cut, the ones I thought were trash.
Afterall, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

>>13379602
Absolutely, there's plenty of bottom-feeding NEETs here

>>13379560
He obviously meant the other self-pub chart anon, the one with good books and no degeneracy.

>>13379583
>Breeks anon
>>13379411 wasn't my post, that's someone else that had the misfortune of reading Brent Weeks and realized how much of a hack he is

Also, I'm highly disappointed that you haven't necked yourself yet like you should have.

>>13379630
Which one of those is 5+/10?

>>13379649
They're all at least decent, I cut a lot of shit to pick 16.

If I had to put them in tiers
>Tier 1
Cradle
Orconomics
Construct
Beyond Redemption
Woven Ring

>Tier 2
Traitor God
Priest of Bones
Faithless
Heresy Within
The Thief Who Pulled on Trouble's Braids
Threadbare

>Tier 3 (Conditional Tier)
>if you like Epic fantasy
Ember Blade
Crimson Queen
>if you like Asoiaf
Winter's Reach
>if you liked Black Company
Scourge of the betrayer
>if you liked Cradle
Into the Labyrinth

>>13379698
Thank you for compiling an even in-depth list.

>>13379630
>Also, I'm highly disappointed that you haven't necked yourself yet like you should have
Night Angel was trash, but it was better than a lot of other trash I read from here over the years. Who doesn't want a sentient magical bleeding edge iron man suit?

>>13379698
which 1 has the best waifu

>>13379777
There's zero smut on that list. Not sure what your definition of a waifu is but..

Heresy Within has a lot of sluts and a strong female MC that's raped a bunch of times(off screen) and goes through a lot of abusive relationships.

Winter's Reach also has its fair share of sluts and strong female characters.

The Thief Who Pulled on Trouble's Braids is the adventures of a cute little female thief.

Woven Ring is the redemption arc of the badass female MC in a re imagined Civil War setting.

/sffg/, I'm running out of ideas for how to get myself writing consistently again. Short of finding a therapist (which I'm working on) or waiting for another burst of mania (which I'm always working on), I'm all out of tricks

>>13379872
>waifu is smut
You are disconnected from reality.

>>13378637
>Gaiman is a hack

kek, thank you

>>13379961
Do you come in here expecting us to shit on you, and then use that shit as motivation?

>>13379985
I don't know why I post here. I think it's an emotional venting reflex that lets me hate myself a little less by hating humanity a little more

>>13379961
>>13380032
>boohoo I'm a struggling write-fag please gib sympathy and attention
fuck off faggot

>>13380043
you don't understand what it's like to be a writer. If you did you wouldn't be able to pass judgement

>>13379964
This

Is there any good star trek novels that will wash the bad taste of discovery out of my mouth?

>>13380094
>Token black character and token asian character.
Of course. And there's never ANY side or minor characters that are a minority to make it feel natural, just that one in a semi leading role so that the makers can virtue signal.

>>13380153
I know right? Why can't they make it like the original series? No token minorities there

>>13380153
>having a character who's not white is virtue signaling now apparently

anon, have you always been like this, or did you become this way over time?

>>13380179
It is in this case, to be fair. They even kill white dudes instead of red shirts now.

>>13380184
anon...

>>13380062
I do and I'm judging you. You hate yourself because you're trying to write with either a. not enough outlined or b. too much anxiety to let yourself hit a flow state. You're not here to hate humanity, you're here to kill time until you don't feel like you have to write anymore.

>>13380179

Not him, but I understand what he's getting at. In 1966, having a multiethnic/multigender crew was a daring statement against a ethnocultural orthodoxy.

Nowadays, that sort of thing IS the orthodoxy, and Star Trek announcing it'll have a nonbinary character is just smug risk-free service to the dominant/popular morality, treated as if it were the risky iconoclasm it was 50 years ago. It's the difference between Jesus earning converts out in the desert, and the smug church lady judging duh queers 2000 years later.

Honestly, it'd be a bold move to have an all-Asian Star Trek crew in the 21st century. Literally every fucking show is multicultural now.

>>13380219
I don't even watch star trek and I know that's bullshit. The entire in-series reason for the multi-ethnic crew is that as ambassadors of starfleet, the crew are meant to serve as representatives of the whole of humanity. We are literally catching up to the idea star trek envisioned for us.

So anon, what's the REAL problem? At some point in your life did you become the villain in your own story, or did you never care about the message from the start and only accepted it because it was contrarian and controversial? Either way, say what you really fucking mean or shut the fuck up and fuck off

>>13377396
i actually completely agree. found it kind of unsatisfying how he resolved character arcs and plot lines. and dialogue was kind of reminiscent of joss whedon snark bullshit. but even that said, blindsight and echopraxia are still enjoyable because of the interesting plots and concepts

>>13380284
no, he's spot on with his analysis. why would you announce you don't watch the series and then attempt to speak with authority on what the point of something in the series is?

>>13380308
a better question is how you could watch an multiple series of the same franchise without absorbing a word of it. Were you not paying attention, or are you just a slow learner?

>>13380318
this is just insults. do you want to try again?

>>13379550
Look at this tranny clocker. You must be fun at parties.

>>13380322
I don't need to try again. You haven't made a single argument that I haven't debunked

>>13380347
well i'm afraid emotional tripe such as calling people "the villains of their own story" is, sadly, not an argument.

>>13380284
>I don't even watch star trek

Then maybe you don't know as much about it as you'd like to think. Having a multiethnic cast, working as equals, in 1966, was a massive deal. Dare to compare to the other major prime-time shows in 1966 and you will see just acres of whiteness with the occasional token. They got serious, serious blowback for having an interracial kiss. It was risky shit.

Nowadays, every single show on TV has a multiethnic cast.

>The entire in-series reason for the multi-ethnic crew is that as ambassadors of starfleet, the crew are meant to serve as representatives of the whole of humanity.

That has literally never been said in-series, especially not in the original series. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>star trek
>star wars
Lets discuss some books.

>>13380369
you're right. sorry i let myself get derailed by that retard.

seeing metro 2033 in that image reminded me how pleasantly surprised i was by 2035. 2034 was such awful navel gazing garbage i was sure that the author had lost it. but it was a nice conclusion to the story, quite nice.

>Having a multiethnic cast, working as equals, in 1966, was a massive deal. Dare to compare to the other major prime-time shows in 1966 and you will see just acres of whiteness with the occasional token. They got serious, serious blowback for having an interracial kiss. It was risky shit.
>Nowadays, every single show on TV has a multiethnic cast.

so you're saying that the entire point of star trek is to be controversial for controversy's sake, and that by failing to do that theyve pissed off a lot of people?

that sounds... pretty controversial

>>13380386
>so you're saying

Why is it that 99 times out of 100, anyone who starts a sentence with this finishes it with retarded nonsense? Go back and read

>>13380219
>Nowadays, that sort of thing IS the orthodoxy, and Star Trek announcing it'll have a nonbinary character is just smug risk-free service to the dominant/popular morality, treated as if it were the risky iconoclasm it was 50 years ago. It's the difference between Jesus earning converts out in the desert, and the smug church lady judging duh queers 2000 years later.

It's lazy producers doing the same shit literally every other show has been doing for decades, but shouting to the rafters how stunning and brave they're being. They've got exactly as much courage as it takes to say nice things about Mohammed in Tehran. and that's what I can't stand.

>>13380409
just ignore that guy. remember he started off with a completely different premise and this last post was his pathetic attempt at damage control when he got btfo. stop replying and let's get back to talking about books.

>>13380414

Good idea.

I finally got around to reading Black Brillion by Matthew Hughes, and loved the hell out of it. Vancian science fiction with humor and a huge dose of Jungian psychology. It turns out there's a whole universe of them, and George R. R. Martin's a fan. Highly recommended but I doubt anyone else has read it

>>13380409
...so you're saying the point of star trek is to be controversial for controversy's sake.

no offense anon, but you really don't seem to know how arguing works. see, the words you say? they can be used against you, and then you look stupid for repeating them. now, you can keep arguing if you want, but ive had my fill of incel tears for tonight. See you next week when you're here to complain about how meiville had gall to describe a colored man riding the bus

Thinking of making a chart for books and web novels like Cradle that aren't xianxia or wuxia.

>>13380426
>say retarded thing because reading is hard lol
>other person says no and generously explains what they've already said, this time at five lower school grades of reading comprehension
>repeat retarded thing

How dearly your insights will be missed

>>13378639
God Emperor is fantastic, just stop once you finish it.

I didn't think it could get worse than the smut degenerates shitting up the general earlier but here we are.

>>13372298
>>Post books with AI protagonists
This fits. The premise is nice but the authors execution is found lacking after the first novella. Still a decent read though, combined the 4 novellas are about the length of one book. There's a standalone coming out next year, hopefully it's better than the latter novellas.

>>13380425
sounds neat, it's been a while since i've read fantasy, i was on a sci-fi bent recently. is the book standalone or a part of a series?

>>13380492

As far as I can tell it's standalone, but there's a dozen books set in the same universe. This one at least has lots of witty dialogue in a sort of odd-couple cop story set in the far future about investigating a snake-oil salesman's land cruise to a purported cure for a deadly disease, that turns out to get them sucked into an alien collective unconscious. It's bizarre but just great.

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Brillion-Archonate-Matthew-Hughes/dp/0765308657 if you're interested. I've ordered whichever cheap titles I saw by the author, hopefully they're good too.

>>13380457
i stopped like 50 or a hundred pages into children and since then i keep hearing people say god emperor is so good and i'm angry at myself

Currently reading a short story of Vancian style sci-fi and fantasy called The Star-God's Grave. What are you bitch ass niggaz reading?

Two questions /sffg/. First, are there any writers besides Martin, Rowling and Collins who go out of their way to give their settings a unique and detailed food culture? Second How does a mint-chip monte cristo sound?

>>13374333
The Aspect-Emperor is still a better story arc, though.

While the Lies of Locke Lamora series has some major problems, I liked the world building and mythology behind it. IE the ancient abandoned cities people now populate, weird mythical entities that are as much legend as fact, still unexplored ruins. Are there any good series out there that have kind of world building but actually “solves” and explores the mystery behind it?

>>13380894
Cities in Flight. James Blish is always pretty good, I think he's better than Clarke. Didn't fuck enough kids to get the big-time media push, I guess.

>>13377133
>taking out Black Company
Nigga, you gay.

>>13380894
The Sword and the Stallion the last book of the Corum Series,with classsic moorcock moodiness
>>13380958
Allan Cole does it (he's a chef i think),he even published a cookbook about all the food that appears in his Sten Series

>>13380894
>The Star-God's Grave
nothing comes up when i google this. who's the author?
title reminded me of the god engines. accidentally stumbled upon it when it came out without hearing any hype about and i loved it, great story. was surprised when i found out scalzi had written it.

anyway just finished echopraxia and about to start revelation space.

>>13381192
Schuyler Hernstrom. A nigga I've been pimping here for months.

>>13381158
Black Company is one good book, two passable and arguably good, and 7+ books of shit.

>>13380894
>What are you bitch ass niggaz reading?
I just started reading Circe. Read The Odyssey a couple of months back so it felt fitting.

>>13380094
>Is there any good star trek novels...
No.

>>13379961
There is usually a writing general, go ask them.

>>13380958
>mint-chip
Disgusting.

>>13373374
>Discussion about Lord of Light will happen in next thread
>tfw I just finished it
Wild ride, looking forward to next thread

>>13373031
>not reading the in game books
There is one in Oblivion that is about a vampire slayer that is unironically quite good.

>>13377396
Blindsight is basically a case of a blind hen finding a corn.

>>13380958
Scum who put chocolate and mint together deserve the noose.

>>13373374
>you will never ever read any Radix Tetrad with /sffg/
May as well fucking give up at this point.

How easy is it to add torrented books on to the Kindle?

The only reason I'm considering getting one is because I don't want to spend a shit ton on books I don't know I'll like

>>13381576
As easy as pirating games or anything else.
All you have to do is get Calibre and convert any files to .mobi or whatever else Kindle supports (I use mobi) and throw them into the Documents folder of your Kindle
>had a Kindle for 7-8 years now

>>13381571
You need to improve your shilling

>>13381154
Is Clarke a certified kid fucker? I always assumed he was because of his living situation but I never heard it was confirmed.

>>13380094

Yes, its called Sector General and its not Star Trek but its by an author who grew up in an area riddled by sectarian violence who wanted to portray a better future, where drama is provided by races and peoples coming together to fight illnesses and accidents and medical issues rather than petty wars.

>>13381576
It's easy.

Anyone out there read this? I picked it up in a charity shop earlier but hesitated and never ended up buying it. I may decide to go back and get it.

Give me a fantasy novel that has

>grimdark world
>asshole protagonist
>rape as a valid battle tactic
>naked female sorcerers
>isn't based off medieval times

>>13381944
Just read Bakker

Is there a Heinlein chart?

>>13382013
Yep, here's one with all the good Heinlein books.

>>13382013
Not that I know of. On the topic of charts, while I like the current structure with one general chart and one featuring selected works for each genre there should be charts for silver age, golden age, modern etc.

>>13382038
DELET THIS

>>13382038
On a more serious note, Heinlein's earlier works are still great and while he certainly lost it later on some of his later books are hilarious.

I used to masturbate furiously to Friday.

>>13380428
>Thinking of
Just do it.

>>13379961
Drugs

>tfw I missed the Brent Weeks bitching
Brent Weeks is quite possible the worst mainstream author that have published a book the last 8 years. Rivaled by Jim Butcher and CUM LOADER.

>>13382013
Just read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Stranger in a Strange Land.

>>13382044
There were movements within these - pulp and Golden Age diverged around WWII and New Wave was a sort of synthesis of these, the Scottish atheists and their rational SF is different from the Nivenists and their neo-Campbellian screwdriver stories which is different from Card and Le Guin and their anthropology SF.

>>13382090

>>13382123
True, but I don't feel like that mean they have to be further split up.

>>13382143
Splendid.

>>13382143
It's always so cringey when fantasy uses cuss words like "fuck."

>>13382143
>She scowled fiercely at him, then looked away.
If only he had stopped there. It hurts to read.

>>13381900
>lets put a ceiling fan above earth
>that makes sense

>>13382307
kek

>>13381944
Source of pic on depressed panda?

>>13382307
It's to help with global warming.

>>13374053

>Acutally being proud of being a little bitch

>>13382143
>Elene, I'm not asking you to fuck
>facing her was harder than facing THIRTY highlanders
>He didn't hide his darkness.
This guy actually got published? Even the shittiest writefags around here have hope then.

>>13382273
I mean, fuck is quite an old word.

>>13382418
I'm sorry chad thundercock. Not everyone has your suave when it comes to effortlessly talking to women you like.

>>13382554
In that passage it's being used in a decidedly 21st-century fashion.

>>13382581
Yeah, but in general.

guys, can you recommend a comfy, light, military sci fi series in the vein of lost fleet or old man's war? ground or fleet combat is fine

>>13382606
Undying Mercenaries

>>13382606
Found this on my recent mil sci fi binge, it's exactly what you want.

>>13382590
I don't mind authentic cursing, especially when it's creative, but I feel like moderns and especially Americans only know how to either throw f-words around until they lose their impact or act clever by just describing it. "said unprintable things about his parents' rendezvous with camels" lmao you just couldn't come up with anything

>>13382616
>>13382618
thanks lads, these look great.

Hey /lit/, /sci/ tourist here, looks like a good thread to ask. Where do you get your 'illegally' downloaded book files to load up on your kindle?

For /sci/ stuff, I can basically get anything through libgen or scihub but theyre both scientific stuff. I've seen some torrents on piratebay but theyre mostly philosophy or deep literature stuff. But there's not more down-to-earth things there (that I've found at least).

>>13382704
Stunt your words by destroying your mouth and I might let you live.

>>13382752
>Where do you get your 'illegally' downloaded book files to load up on your kindle?
The sticky

>>13382752
Look at the sticky. you undercover fbi agent looking for new places to monitor

>>13382752
>literally hasn't searched a single sf term on libgen

>>13382778
>>13382778
>>13382772
>>13382774

do you have to pick the 'fiction' option on libgen search? i guess i must have tried once and nothing popped up so i assumed it wasnt used at all

>>13382772
>>13382774
Stickymind

>>13382784
Ignore me, i just looked up there and all is in order lol

>>13381778

thanks! sounds great!

>>13381312
Black Company is a trilogy with one spin-off and don't let anyone tell you otherwise

>>13381994
Bakker will never finish his series though. No one will publish him in this climate and the sales of his last few books were shit

I started reading the WoT series years ago but could never get any major traction. Although I enjoyed some of the plot and characters, the overall writing style of Robert Jordan just doesn’t do it for me. I think I gave up around book 4 or 5.

I do, however, enjoy Brandon Sanderson’s writing quite a bit. Do folks think it would be worth while to skip around and pick the series up once Sanderson starts co-writing? I could probably find a wiki to fill in the holes between books.

>>13372298
>Greatsfandf link in the sticky
>Wizard of Oz guy has 5 stars
>Zelazny has 1 star
Opinion instantly discarded. Why is this plebian shit in the sticky?

>>13383056
there isn't an sffg council that reviews this stuff

>>13383037
Just watch the TV series

>>13383075
Isn't that basically all we do here? I fear you're missing my point, however. With the exception of Jack Vance and Gene Wolfe being highly regarded, there is nothing on that list, which purports to provide a ranking of scifi/fantasy authors, ostensibly for purposes of recommendation, that jives with the general consensus, such as it exists, of sffg as a whole. In short: it's a poor resource relative to this general and it's reddit

>>13378265
the old legends had it that it could switch forms between male and female so it could seduce anyone it met

>>13382941
What's the spinoff

>>13378265
they can transform

>>13383314
Then express it in those terms, not some indignant appeal to the sticky lords.

>>13378265
Clearly there must be some level of futa involved

>>13383317
The Silver Spike

>>13380094
There was a book called 7 of 9, about,well, 7 of9, that I thought was good, its a bit like the episode infinite regress tho also there was an original series one about the kobashy maru that was ace

>>13383326
Fair enough. I thought it was implicit but sometimes forget you guys are as autistic as the rest of lit

Degenerates not allowed beyond this point. The next thread shall remain pure and untouched by your filth.

>>13383500
>>13383500
>>13383500
>>13383500
>>13383500

>>13382143
Ouch. I cringed in a non-meme way. Is the character suppose to be pathetic?

>>13384354
He's supposed to be the character that's too morally upstanding to be treated fairly in an oh-so-dark and REAL setting. The setup is his fiance cheating on him for some reason and him subsequently getting pressured into a political marriage with a fifteen-year-old (who is smoking hot, as the prose constantly reminds us).