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Kill yourself

>>13366604
True intelligence is knowing your intellect came from an original source.

Intellect is like a yard full of buckets. Some allow the wind to fill them with sand, some allow people to put scoops of dirt in some, others fill their chosen buckets as high as they can.

Well, you could read what those intelligent people had to say about their faith. I hear they often write books.

True intelligence is knowing your intellect came from an original source.
Yes, a true intelligence.

Religion is the highest and richest aspect of philosophy. Rather than concerning itself with the affairs of the world, it turns that focus inward to the soul and questions of the individual. One can get lost in such inquiries and derive a lifetime of mental enrichment from them.

>>13366642
Based

>>13366604
All beliefs rest on faith. Why not have faith in the greatest thin imaginable? Why not have faith in meaning and hope and love?

>>13366604
*tips fedora*

>>13366604
You should know that it’s poor form to inb4 as op.

>>13366621
>>13366638
Idiots

>>13366642
It is not even philosophy. It is anti-intellectual in fact. It seeks only to bend information to its diseased ideals. A pile of shit dressed in silk and gold

>>13366646
What is the source of this image?

>>13366676
'Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.'

>>13366642
>don't bother with what is happening around you, just spend your life praying and fasting bro, and let us rich people do what we want heheh

The oldest fucking scam in human history. In 2019....

>>13366683
Japanese kid show. Power Rangers stuff

>>13366617
Not an argument.
>>13366621
No true Scotsman.
>>13366628
Not an argument.
>>13366642
No proof that souls exist.
>>13366658
Why have faith in things that could be completely made up, with no evidence whatsoever?
@13366665
(You)

You're all just afraid of death.

>>13366693
The devout Father John Tauler[45] relates this personal experience: For years he had prayed God to send him someone who would teach him the real spiritual life. One day, at prayer, he heard a voice saying: “Go to such and such a church and you will have the answer to your prayers.”

He went and at the door of the church he found a beggar, barefooted and in rags. He greeted the mendicant saying: “Good day, my friend.”

“Thank you, sir, for your kind wishes, but I do not recall ever having had a ‘bad’ day.”

“Then God has certainly given you a very happy life.”

“That is very true, sir. I have never been unhappy. In saying this I am not making any rash statement either. This is the reason: When I have nothing to eat, I give thanks to God; when it rains or snows, I bless God’s providence; when someone insults me, drives me away, or otherwise mistreats me, I give glory to God. I said I’ve never had an unhappy day, and it’s the truth, because I am accustomed to will unreservedly what God wills. Whatever happens to me, sweet or bitter, I gladly receive from his hands as what is best for me. Hence my unvarying happiness.”

“Where did you find God?”

“I found him where I left creatures.”

“Who are you anyway?”

“I am a king.”

“And where is your kingdom?”

“In my soul, where everything is in good order; where the passions obey reason, and reason obeys God.”

“How have you come to such a state of perfection?”

“By silence. I practice silence towards men, while I cultivate the habit of speaking with God. Conversing with God is the way I found and maintain my peace of soul.”

>>13366688
Quote meaning:
>all you gotta do is believe!
And do as you’re told. I’ve been there, anon. Ive grown wiser than you.

>>13366696
Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered. You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field? A college degree? In that field? Then your arguments are invalid. No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

>>13366699
If you can't see this for the cope it is, I feel very sorry for you. These people would be better off if they had never existed, such is their miserable state

>>13366696
Of course it isn’t
It was an allegory

ITT just another bunch of atheists that wouldn't believe in God and Christ even if they came down from heaven and smacked them in the face.

>>13366604
>talks about intelligence
>is this much of an arrogant, ignorant and uneducated imbecile
most atheist philosophers studied religion seriously and with honesty, which you obviously haven't done, your opinion is therefore disregarded.

>>13366696
>Why have faith in things that could be completely made up, with no evidence whatsoever?
Reasons to believe based on reason:
>argument from contingency
>argument from desire (since humans naturally have some desire to seek God, then, as hunger suggests the existence of food, then perhaps our desire for God suggests his existence as well, or at least that worshipping satisfies our spiritual/biological nature)
>ontological arguments (if God can exist, he does exist, etc.)
>argument from absurdity (if God does not exist, then existence is absurd. Like a mathematical proof, this suggests that what is absurd is not true, and that therefore God exists)

Now these arguments appeal to our rational faculties, but it must be said that they can’t actually prove God’s existence. We could just as easily think of some reasons against God’s existence, though they might not be as convincing. Humans are infinitely ignorant, so our reason cannot lead us anywhere. It all comes down to faith in the end. So why should we have faith in God?
>gives your life meaning
>makes the world seem a little less complex and infinitely confusing
>gives you hope, makes you grateful, keeps you in check of sinning (noFap is a great example. You now have a spiritual reason not to masturbate)
>gives you rest in this life and the next
>is no less reasonable than having faith in any other thing (such as God’s non-existence)
>the existence of religion makes it appear that God is concerned with us and our well-being in this life and the next. So we should worship Him

>>13366718
That guy was exceedingly happy, much happier than a miserable person like you, who can't see that this life is a gift and a thing of beauty. Instead, your poisoned and corrupted by your vainglory, greed, envy. The true faith calls for those to lay down their riches, give everything they have to the poor and follow God. The people not following it are the reason for the inequities you had mentioned.

>>13366718
How does you cope with life?

>>13366722
If something like that happened, I’d have some questions. None for you, thanks.

And what would you say if this creature came out of the sky and shat on you?

>>13366727
Here's a question: would you worship God if there was no reward in it? We all know the answer. Your frustrated desire for real justice that will never occur fuels your belief in nothing. This would be okay, if religion didn't disgustingly preach to others who otherwise could potentially take real control over their surroundings to surrender willfully to power because "bro, it's the will of God." Religion is sickening.

>>13366737
By believing in myself. By loving myself

>>13366752
>Here's a question: would you worship God if there was no reward in it?
Nobody would do anything if there was no reward in it. What is your point?

>>13366759
There is nothing truly holy about conditional love. A mother's love for her child is far more divine than anything God has to offer

>>13366752
Even if eternal life did not exist. Even if God did not exist. That man is in the dialogue is still happier than the fool who curses the sky and wonders why bad things happen to him.

>>13366782
But that's the thing, he's not really happy. He is coping, using delusion as a opiate. He is not different from a guy cursing the sky at all: some people rage, others grieve, some self-deceive the result is equally pitiable. God is just one of many coping mechanisms and deserves no more respect than alcohol or cutting your arm

>>13366808
>Coping. Delusion.
You use these feathers like blades and it tickles us. Who are you trying to drive to suicide, lost one?

>>13366808
Not really. He is truly happy unlike the others.

>>13366808
Believing and loving yourself like you said previously is also coping and, by your definition, isn't any less different than being a drug addict.

>>13366742
kys tranny tripfag

>>13366604
they are capable of separating your average religious retard with the sublimity of the divine.

>How do intelligent people get caught up in religious nonsense?
t. midwit

>>13366604
Because they are raised with it around them.

>>13367985
have sex

>>13366604
>Be young
>start out in occult section, runes, magic spells
>move to hard core atheism in twenties
>try continental philosophy when you realise you can communicate well
>you start thinking it'd be funny to write a book about a priest
>do research
>get hooked on the lives of religious people >suddenly you're learning religious philosophy alongside communications theory and postmodernism
>you tap out when your life goes to hell
>suddenly the absurdity starts to make sense even though the ethics still are hard to swallow *snicker*
>"blessed mary...please forgive me...."
>can't do it, can't look away
>read more, feel like I'm becoming a monk anyhow
>read even more cause now you're well versed in the reasoning behind certain defenses of religious doctern
>feels good to do the work of gods, even with upholding the faith
>enjoy the art, enjoy the history
>don't enjoy the prostitutes stories of abuse
>don't enjoy hearing about sex scandles and money grubbing pastors
>desire to do more good works and seek a community of others to find comfort and peace with
>end up reading more books after doing more drugs and sleeping with more women
>think about taking some majic mushrooms and indulging in the occult again
>have strange visions and write them down
>people steal writings and laugh at me
>defend my writings and sulk
>wish I had more friends
>wish I wasn't a pervert
>wish I weren't so lonely
>engage in meditation and become sober
>dream again and see the sacred mushrooms but don't ascribe to it anything because no instantaneous meaning revealed itself to me
>go back to the ethics parts of religious people and shit on them so I can go back to fucking
>feel guilty
>read more diaries of priests and pastors and imams
>sort of excited to die cause then I'll know if I was wrong
>or at least not know
>forever
>be able to rest and not worry that I didn't live to my full potential

>>13366696
You'll be afraid of death too, soon. Then it'll take an extra dose of blissful ignorance.

Religion has the aesthetic/emotional aspect which pure rationality lacks

Imo you dont have to get it through religion necessarily but it has a prebuilt framework for aesthesizing life

What to feel part of something in an otherwise meaningless world