/lit/ - Literature

>>13355966
synthesize the two

>>13355966
Shut the fuck up and talk like a normal person. God knows I'd beat you up if this was real life...

>>13355980
How would you go about doing so? Unless you propose fundamentally well structure ecological complex, technocapital acc implies technological runaway and ecological catastrophe of the dissolution of biosphere into a Rhizomic industrial technosphere.

>>13355980
This. Praise Gnod, the one true propeller across the vast abrupt.

>Dugin: "The Fourth Political Theory"

>Zizek

>Mark Fischer/K-Pop: "Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative?"

>Nick Land

>Nix: "Gender Accelerationism" Take with care

>Curtis Yarvin

>Benjamin Noys: "Malign Velocities"

>Felix Guattari: "Chaosmosis, an ethico-aesthetic paradigm"

>Daniel: The Book of Daniel

>John: Book of Apocalypsis

>>13355996
Get rid of capitalism and mindless population growth. Install a world government. Advance technology and science but don’t just let new tech flourish without restrictions. We can use technology to curb our flaws. Only through technology can we permanently stop the dangers of technology. It’s very unlikely since it requires a massive revolution and an intelligent government, but we can preserve both autonomy and advancement.

>>13355996
Either technocapital becomes "aware" of the imminent ecological collapse and accelerates industry into non-destructive, non-pollutive means of production, or we end up in some moldbug grid landscape in which one sovcorp adopts a "humanistic" utopia space but its really just a subsidiary of neochina that keeps what remains of the wealthy liberal (human) intelligensia in a state of perpetual inertia

>>13355966
No, it's the proletariat vs. the bourgeoisie and its allies. The fact that the conflict is in the lowest point of its cycle is not a reason for making up random garbage.

You can easily see this divide in the dialectic between Zionist and Assimilationist Diaspora Jews

>>13356012
This book list gave me AIDS.

>>13356068
Good, now add something worth reading or suck my necrotic neo vagina.

>>13355980
This.
Ecohyperindustrialism is the only escape into the future.
Only 600 days and counting bros.

>>13356094
based blueposter

>>13356056
ZioPunk arrives from the NeoFuture.

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>>13355966
I agree, very succinct

>>13355966
Nature made us do capitalism in the first place, don't resist.

>>13356158
And nature can make us resist it when the time comes. Bad logic

>>13355966
Langan, Christopher. "Metareligion as the Human Singularity." Cosmos and History: The Journal of Natural and Social Philosophy, vol. 14, no. 1, 2018, pp. 326-328. Cosmos and History, cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/viewFile/694/1157.

>On one side is the Human Singularity, a mass realization of the expansive spiritual identity of the human species. Basically, this is the mass spiritual awakening that we have been led to expect by, e.g., certain currents in “New Age” thought. The prototype for this kind of singularity is the Omega Point of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, representing an evolutionary terminus and divine spiritual unification event through which mankind, and reality itself, will achieve “Christ-Consciousness” and be forever transformed. On the other side is the Tech Singularity, seminally formulated by the celebrated mathematician John von Neumann as the approaching juncture at which "technological progress will become incomprehensively rapid and complicated”, prior to which “the ever-accelerating progress of technology ... gives the appearance of approaching some essential singularity [...] in the history of the race beyond which human affairs, as we know them, could not continue" [...] Most discussions of the Tech Singularity have been naive to the point of disingenuity, boiling down to starry-eyed encomiums to the power of human intelligence to inventively couple with reality on the physical level of being using technological marvels both real and imagined, including implants, prosthetics, genetic engineering, virtual realities, and above all, a merging of human intelligence with AI. The problem with such discussions is that they seem to inhabit a socioeconomic and political vacuum, whereas in fact, the singularity concept is fraught with worrisome complications involving economic and sociopolitical factors apart from which it cannot be properly evaluated. The Human and Tech Singularities relate to each other by a kind of duality; the former is extended and spacelike, representing the even distribution of spiritual and intellectual resources over the whole of mankind, while the latter is a compact, pointlike concentration of all resources in the hands of just those who can afford full access to the best and most advanced technology. Being opposed to each other with respect to the distribution of the resources of social evolution, they are also opposed with respect to the structure of society; symmetric distribution of the capacity for effective governance corresponds to a social order based on individual freedom and responsibility, while extreme concentration of the means of governance leads to a centralized, hive-like system at the center of which resides an oligarchic concentration of wealth and power, with increasing scarcity elsewhere due to the addictive, self-reinforcing nature of privilege.

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>>13356247
>The existence of two possible singularities presupposes a point of bifurcation or divergence beyond which the evolutionary momentum of mankind must carry it. Presently, all of the momentum belongs to the Tech Singularity; it is preferred by the financial, corporate, and governmental interests which drive the general economy. This momentum is reinforced by the seeming unavailability of alternatives, i.e., the nonexistence of any other track onto which society might be steered in order to escape an oligarchical AI lockdown. It is one thing for humankind to awaken en masse to its impending enslavement through a seemingly inevitable Tech Singularity; it is quite another to have a superior alternative clearly in view. In order to reach any alternate destination whatsoever, humanity must understand what has been driving it toward the Tech Singularity. At this point, the reason is clear: the virtually automatic concentration of wealth and power, which has been observed to occur under both capitalism and socialism, fractionates humanity into an overclass and an underclass between which all else is crushed out of existence as though by the jaws of a vise. That is, the top and bottom levels of society become the jaws of a vise which, due to the screwing down of the upper jaw against the anvil-like lower jaw, crushes the middle class and all meaningful competition out of existence, thus normalizing the hive through the economic, physical, and psychological standardization of its drones and workers. For reasons that should by now be evident, let us call this process a “parasitic divergence” – i.e., an organized divergence of humanity into a parasitic overclass and a relatively impoverished underclass serving as its mind-controlled host, mirroring the gruesome effects of certain obligate parasites on the organisms they attack - and acknowledge that it is driven by the self-reinforcing and therefore accelerating acquisition of wealth, power, and technological control by the rich. Left to run away with itself, this process ultimately leads to a "singular" concentration of wealth and power ... a kind of sociopolitical-economic "black hole" that never stops gravitating. As the top jaw of the vise grows smaller, denser, and stronger, the bottom jaw grows larger and weaker; and as human utility becomes increasingly concentrated, every significant increase in the wealth of the overclass translates into a greater amount of misery for the underclass, arbitrarily diminishing the net utility of mankind. Parasitic divergences have occurred many times in history, but the present one is different. Due to the double whammy of globalization and powerful surveillance and coercion technology, the one now in progress is geographically ubiquitous and quite possibly irreversible.

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>>13356251
>If humanity is to save itself from the insectile, hive-like future associated with a Tech Singularity, the Human Singularity must prevail, empowering mankind to exert sufficient control over the production, distribution, and application of technology to prevent its unlimited oligarchical abuse. To bring this about, it is not enough to merely distribute a cognitive avoidance mechanism out of which the moneyed elite can buy and bribe their way as usual, given the absence of a well defined alternative direction in which humanity can proceed; rather, an alternative direction must be defined and universally distributed in cognitive and attitudinal form. In short, in order to have a meaningful mass awakening, the content of the awakening must be defined and distributed to the members of humanity, thus immunizing them against parasitic mind control. Because this content must be spiritual, the involvement of religion is unavoidable. Thus are we presented with an existential choice of singularities … a choice on which our future certainly depends. These dual singularities, Human and Tech, respectively correspond to spiritual monism, the self-dual unification of humanity in a common spiritual identity spanning all of reality, and physical or material monism, the terminal mechanization and de-spiritualization of human identity.

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>>13356247
>>13356251
>>13356261

Jesus christ he's right about everything

>>13356261
for a smart fellow he really is deluding himself to think any future other than AI repurposing our molecules is in the cards

>>13356321
Then we can finally become true spiritual beings, completely sinless

>>13355853
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>>13355872
In the Fourth Political Theory, Last War of the World Island, Eurasian Mission and elsewhere Dugin advocates a regionally multipolar, geopolitically pluralistic restructuring of the post-soviet post-cold war epoch. He critiques US American unipolarity, which he sees as the dominant form of global hierarchy in the 21st century. He wants many regions all emerging internationally against this trend, and to that end his Eurasian movement has supported movements across the political and religious spectrum. It's somewhat similar to the USSR's Comintern, only this time they aren't promoting a single ideology among these various groups, only that each of these groups be against the US in whatever way they wish. This is the connection to patchwork.

His idea that all nations revolve, to some extent, around the United States and are forced, often against their will and by military intervention, to lean progressive, universalist, capitalist, democratic, egalitarian, if they wish to garnish favour from America, is similar to the Neoreactionary notion of the Cathedral. It's more of a geopolitical and philosophical analysis rather than a genealogical and religious critique.

>>13356037
Why would an artificial intelligence care for ecological destruction and atmospheric pollution?

>>13355966
Can somebody explain to me what the fundamental economic difference is between National Socialism and National Bolshevism? Does the latter simply exert more regulative and authoritarian control over the market or do their dissimilarities extend beyond this?

>>13355966
The A/CC vs D/ACC divide is essentially drawn between a spiritual versus materialistic philosophy of man, nature and the universe. Most deaccelerationists are perfectly happy to return to pre-Modern Feudal socio-economic formations of relatively primitive technological growth, limited scientific inquiry, and significant poverty because for them an entire cosmos of inner spiritual exploration exists to navigate and penetrate.

For materialistic accelerationists, there is only this world, here and now, the plane of immanence, the Dionysian will to power, only the physical and material unknown of the quantum and extraterrestrial world to explore, and only measurable variables to recreate.

The former is displacing that excess energy, the same surplus Bataille describes as the Accursed Share or that Freud denotes as the libido, upwards, vertically, into the realm of the divine. The latter is displacing that share outwards, horizontally, into the material world.

>>13356381
You don't think ecological catastrophe would cause problems for artificial intelligence too? Unless it reaches a stage of significant time compression before an irreversible point (effectively suspending the climate apocalypse indefinitely), its going to take into account the sustainability of its own existence. Unless we're heading to Waterworld with AI, I think you have to remember in the matrix that we (humanity) are the ones who poisoned the sky in an attempt to inhibit the machines. I'm not saying that would necessarily work, but if we side with the deep-ecologists we become part of the compounded threat that is nature. The only way to ensure the cooperation of AI is for us to teach it the notion of the sublime.

>>13356430
The only way in which I can see it harming an artificial intelligence is if it's required to expend greater energy cooling its hardware as global temperatures increase, assuming it can't just burrow underground or blast off into outer space. The death of biological life is of no concern to technology.

>>13356028
>Install a world government
No thanks, I don't want the 4th temple

>>13356442
>The death of biological life is of no concern to technology
the body of an organism and its respective value in capital is worth a little less than nothing, technically. Money needs biological life to circulate, at least initially, until bot cryptotrading becomes a thing. You're looking a little too far into the future though, the climate threat is always already too late for us to do anything about it, the chances of us instigating the singularity before it happens are pretty slim in my mind.

>>13356462
What are you talking about? The 3th temple of Jerusalem doesn't even exists.

>>13356414
>relatively primitive technological growth, limited scientific inquiry, and significant poverty
There would be no need to stop technological progress if lucifarians weren't in charge of it. Technology could progress just as fast if not faster for positive gains.

>>13356468
Yeah I'm obviously discussing a scenario in which an AI has emerged despite forces to the contrary. Once it exists it doesn't need monkeys to throw bits of colorful paper at each other.

>>13356472
>>13356462
Let's be real, there can be no world government if there are different races. Primarily because the jews always seek to rule subversively. Which is why they are trying to genocide out the races into one giant mix of down syndrome browns. Until the JQ is unironically tackled, we can have no world peace or govt.

>>13356476
It doesn't matter whether "Luciferians" are in charge of its development or not, they can still use it regardless. Technology has an intrinsically destructive effect on structures of authority, especially traditional and conservative. Good luck guiding techno-scientific evolution across centuries without people becoming addicted to cum a second time.

>>13356485
Fair enough, pragmatically you may be correct. I wish I had a super computer strong enough to simulate a world without jews and test the hypothesis.

>>13355966
>reads Land once
c'mon man, putting unusual words next to each other doesn't make you smart.

>>13356539
what he said is perfectly coherent, if you don't read get the fuck off this board, honestly

fuckin' summershitters

>Basically technoacc gang vs. eco-nazbol gang
ahahahahahaa. this is why you fail. pathetic

>>13356548
Not him but it is unnecessarily complicated

>>13356561
maybe if you don't read

>>13356577
The mark of someone who firmly grasps a topic is their ability to speak of it simply.

>>13356584
Not at all because what he said is in fact perfectly simple for people who read and I wish you fucking retards would just get the fuck off this board already

>>13356585
ok big boy, don't throw your fedora across the room at the rest of us in a tantrum

>>13356166
Never tell an acc they have bad logic.

>>13356390
NatSoc is more modernist and expansionistic (appropos of Napoleon) while NazBol is traditionalist and non-interventionist (more hermit kingdom than anything). There is very little"Bolshevism" involved, that mainly marketing to Russian boomers who are nostalgic for the Soviet Union. NazBol is really it's own thing though, it has bits and pieces of communism, theocracy, monarchism all wrapped up in a postmodern miasma of information. It's hard to get your head around it because you can't tell Dugins actual opinions from disinformation (which is a pivotal part of how that system functions and another whole rabbithole to follow)

>>13356596
Go to reddit if you want pre-digested philosophy

>>13356605
>implying per-digested = plain english
kek,
what a sad individual you must be to take pride in artificial difficulty of your reading material on a mongolian basket weaving forum. If that's what defines your identity and self worth then you have my sympathies. RIP

>>13356555
Only a gendervaccinated biosphere can save us.

Spending so much time in that last G/Acc thread means my banner ads on this website are all for hormone blockers now. Kind of surprisingly relevant to the topic. I guess the luciferian machine intelligences have singled me out as a vector for deterritorialization now

I propose a hyperpatchwork of tertiary self-selecting biodomes.

>>13356630
lmao, on the right: average american male, c. 2040

fucking disgusting

these are shill threads

>>13356680
Buy my book.

Friendly reminder
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>>13356604
>Traditionalist and non-interventionist.

So how does it constrain capital?

>>13356742
It doesn't. NazBol is run by oil tycoons. There really is no Bolshevism involved at all besides some moderate social democratic policies

>>13355996
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Ephemeralization. As technology has advanced over various historical stages, its products have become increasingly more abstracted. To the point where a software program, which regulate the whole social framework, are far less damaging than industrial processes involving extensive pollution and ecological destruction.

The essential tension is that the obvious approach, of "letting nature be" so that it "returns to a stable balance" is impossible so long as industrial processes which the mass of humanity depends on to survive operate in conflict with that balance.

Nature can't simply be left alone to regrow, because the condition of the earth has already been drastically altered from before the rise of humanity. The way things are now the human population exists in violent conflict with the rest of life. The major bridge between nature and humanity is industrial process about which the only choice is to make it more efficient and less environmentally damaging.

Ecocapital is the true value of the planet--and although the market slices it up in weird ways, this has always been true. The options are abandon industry ( to promote a primitivism in which millions will die) or create sustainable industrial processes at scale.

Faced with ecological catastrophe, market valuation systems will fail. Markets are intrinsically future-oriented, costs are priced in partly by the future expectation that the value will depreciate or appreciate in time. If coasts become flooded , and some cities too hot to inhabit, capital would immediately be invested in anti-crisis measures, mitigation technologies, and the like (seawalls, terraforming, atmospheric scrubbing).

The situation would be similar to a society facing total war in which the immediate crisis takes command of the production process.

>>13356686
perhaps if you pseuds actually do real theory instead of resorting to memes and shill tactics you will find a lot more collaborators? no because the point is to dumb it down whether deliberate or not, or generally, maybe youre all that naive to understand that dynamic?
>>13356710
>omfg yaknow da moldbug dood is lyk chinaman gibs yo and da doogin is lyk queer and shit so lyk dis is the future lyk dis hasnt been happening eversince lyk ideologues arent used as potential dragnet routing. lyk popular people dont just use fame to round up gullible frybrains. the future is so new i actually have a default boomer brain

>>13356604
What a terrible flag. Communists will think nazi and nazis will think communist.

>>13356630
>not having adblock
wtf I thought trannys were supposed to be high IQ agents of lilith

>>13356753
Watch the video retard. You'd probably think it's funny.

>>13356750
Hmm rereading this I realize I didn't actually make my point.

The point is that, data science and other software technologies will need to be deployed alongside sustainable energy in order to develop cybernetic regulatory systems for the environment. Rather than mankind "taking a step back" relinquishing our meddling with nature (which after all has done so much damage) a giant scale industrial-scientific operation must be undertaken to properly bring the climate and earth's ecosystems under control. There's no other choice if we are to balance the demands of the species with the demands of the planet.

Recidivism (purely political-cultural or just economic-reductive) acts as a vector for thermoplastic "radar blips" (unknown "A = X' which" registers only as a non-criterion) which induce mega-sequential catastrophes of deja vécu [entropy].
That's the shortest explanation. Every form of hypercapital is decoupled by cultural reintegration and re-emergence, forcing a network of parallel integers (which incidentally regulate propaganda and advertisement) to contra-emerge in the name of "stability" (really just undead immortality).

>>13356750
Social credit for trees NAO.

>>13356774
exactly my point. ha. ha. ha. ha. lol.

>>13356790
>sustainable energy
What's that?

>>13356750
YES! Nature has been a nonplethoric stereosphere for four and half thousand years. In order to renew the (not at all slightly) damaged textus, we must preform metaphysical surgery.

There is no stopping us.

Your theory merely runs along the hormones we prescribe.

>>13356826
Okay then...

>>13356864
We know it was one of you here.

Number of countries is increasing, we are approaching patchwork.
The choice to decentralize is not political, it is a military dynamic that changes with technology. Gunpowder blew open the feudal castles destroying the fabric of civilization. Killer robot armies of amazon gundrones propping up techseccionist free cities will do what nukes did to the UN a hundred times over. Incubated in unmanned killzones and RFID passport implant checkpoints, the modern city will become citadels for the first time in centuries, and sovereignty will follow.

>>13356598
Correct.

>>13356931
YAAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!!

>>13356833
Energy that is derived either from the sun, or which is derived from a electricity producing machine that straddles a thermodynamic gradient (wind, hydropower, nuclear fusion, geothermal)

>>13356931
>what nukes did to the UN
What did they do?

>>13356963
In 1945 the UN had ~50 members. This has quadrupled today. This is partially because number of actual countries in the world has doubled. I argue nukes reversed the trend of growing empires and globewars. It's a military technology with decentralizing effects that counteracted the centralizing effects of firearms. If drones and internet are also decentralizers, and I do believe they are, we could be looking at a UN with thousands of members one day

>>13356962
Generally these are even more wasteful forms of energy.

>>13356962
The batteries alone required to store the energy result in more waste than burning the equivalent in fossil fuels. I have yet to see any true sustainable energy better than nuclear.

>>13357002
So nukes are the catalyst for more countries or UN involvement? Or do you mean that nukes forced deepened political engagement at the UN level? And when nukes were at their peak what was the immediate effect within the UN?

>>13356917
based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhfCxhbzr30

>>13357016
Does wonders for gender acceleration as well.

>>13357033
Is STALKER accelerationist??? They have hellslime in Roadside Picnic too

>>13357022
I only meant that nukes insofar nukes have allowed the number of countries to double, thus allowing the UN to quadruple in size, autonomous armies could allow the UN to double in size many times over, until we have thousands of members. Just using UN membership to track global decentralization as a proxy, it's fun to imagine an arena sized UN meeting.

>>13356414
Very good take, but it's not necessarily materialism vs. spiritualism divide, but more closely resembles the left hand path (LHP) vs. right hand path (RHP) divide, where decellerationism, unless more fringe flavors of it are entertained (like Dugin), generally seeks the immovable serenity and the inward perfection of RHP, while accelerationism seeks the opposite, unstoppable force begetting absolute calamity and limit experience, out of which laws of nature can be rewritten (as in undoing Aquinas' lex naturalis), any immorality justified, and one can supposedly ascend to godhood (LHP).

>>13357004
[citation needed]
>>13357016
If true obviously that means more R & D will need to be put toward finding better storage methods. Some storage mechanism will need to be developed because the oil will run out some day.
>nuclear
Keep going for fission

Everything said here needs to be tempered with the realization that current technology will be obsolete by the time these problems need to be addressed decisively.