/lit/ - Literature

>The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time", British Foreign Secretary Sir Edward Grey remarked to a friend on the eve of the United Kingdom's entry into the First World War.

Immigration isn't new to Europe

RIP

>>13350974

>>13350937
Possibly.

In Atomised it ends on a more asexual and immortal manner. With religions slowly dissipating over time. I wouldn't have expected the ending had a friend not spoiled it for me.

/in re/ I expect things to end differently, things will normalise and no extreme will win.

>>13350992
Whoops lol. Thought OP's pic was Houllebecq's Muslim Cuckolding fantasy.

Europe's fate was sealed by WWI and II. Especially the former. All of the good genetics were killed off, leaving an irreparably weaker race behind. Mass immigration and widespread onanism are symptomatic of this inherent weakness, and they're accelerating the inevitable decline. The brave men died first, and now the smart cowardly men are not breeding. All we will have left are the stupid and meak, and then we will have Eurabia.

European immigration isn't inherently the problem, it's that immigration is being used as a weapon by the EU against its own people, and the natives are so weak and brainwashed at this point to see what's happening or do anything about it. To answer your question:
>so, is that it for Europe?
Not really, it's just that there's a "new Europe" in the works, brought on by those who were born and raised there. Give it a generation or 2 and we'll see where New Europe is at.

>>13351020
You're right that the First and Second World Wars were the catalysts for the death of Europe -- but I sincerely doubt "widespread onanism" has been either a major symptom or cause. Europe's birth rates were on the decline long before the 20th century had even arrived. Even under governments with pro-natalist policies like Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia (wars and genocides notwithstanding) this trend couldn't be successfully reversed. It's impossible to say if things might not have gone another way in some alternate timeline, but these trends predated the ills wrought by the 20th century: even before whatever blameworthy events and policies happened recently one could predict that we'd probably have an ageing population dependent on migration. And not to discount a possible dysgenic effect, but WWI and II were mostly so fatal because they were so destructive to social bonds, military strength, economic health, geopolitical power and above all a belief in European society.

>>13350992
>>13351010
In any case, thank you for posting that pic, I had been searching for it for a long time

>>13350937
Probably. Empires which seemed immortal in their time have fallen time and time again, often to internal decay. At best a new “Europe” will remain but like other post-Empires the people there will hardly resemble the former glory depicted in texts.

Hopefully Eastern Europe survives, if only for the selfish hope that there will be more great authors to write for me.

>>13351081
The birthrate thing is more to do with urbanisation than anything else. One of the most immediately practical insights to come out of accelerationism is the concept of the city as IQ Shredder. The city exists to focus and intensify labour, the conditions of this intensification don't lend themselves to replacement level reproduction, the genetics that produced the higher IQ cognitive labour force then dissipate and the people required to replace it have to come from increasingly far away.

>>13351081
Spengler's theory of history. Europe as a culture and civilization was so ripe that it started to rot.

>>13350974
>Africans and Arabs have been pouring in to Europe for centuries, this is nothing new. It's all good.

>>13351487
What difference does it make?

>>13350974
There (((he))) goes again!

>I went to Europe and it was a modern society instead of my fantasy of Europe based on Paradox games
>Europe is dying

>>13350937
Yeah, pretty much.
It's a done deal by now, I can't even feel angry about it anymore.

>>13351053
>Give it a generation or 2 and we'll see where New Europe is at.
Or just visit a major European city, they are absolute unlivable shitholes.

>>13351555
No, major European cities are absolute shitholes no sane person would want to live in.
And that is coming from someone who has lived in one since he was born.

Name ONE point in history where it was better to live in than now

>>13351596
Pretty much any?

>>13351020
How is that different than any other war in history?

>>13351602
The average person in history never got to see anything cool and was poor and starved and lived in filth. Having to see some different ethnic groips isnt the end of the world

>>13351624
medieval peasants had longer vacations than americans

>>13351624
>The average person in history never got to see anything cool and was poor and starved and lived in filth.
I haven't seen anything cool either and neither starvation nor living in filth were historic constants, although they occured regularly.

>Having to see some different ethnic groips isnt the end of the world
I don't even care anymore.

>>13351624
>>13351555
strong bait

>>13350974
It is. There had been no significant number of non Europeans coming to Europe for a long time.
If you restrict to western Europe, then that's since Indo-European invasions, so long before Europe was ethnically a thing. In the far East of europe you had mongols in the 13th century but they didn't left any trace beyond the region around Crimea, and got thrown out or exterminated in the end. In the south east there were turks but in low numbers outside of Thrace, and were also purged except for Istanbul in the times up to 1920.

>>13351596
That has little to do with op.
The fact we have turbines and telephones and don't die of tuberculosis doesn't mean we're not going to be submerged by third worlders.

>>13351632
they were also too stupid to farm during winter and if they were smart enough to they would have worked all year round

>>13351575
>>13351578
>>13351602
>>13351596
If European cities are unlivable shitholes, and Europe is 'dying' then what does that make every other place in the world including America?

>>13350937
Continental Europe has been redundant since Emily Dickinson. It's a cultural cul-de-sac.

>>13351723
Doesnt effect quality of life at all you dumb xenophobe

>>13351723
>submerged by third worlders.
THERE WAS A BROWN PERSON IN MY COMIC BOOK MOVIE! IT'S THE END OF CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT

>>13351762
Well, my quality of life is affected by having to walk by a murder scene because some Albanians decided to kill themselves.

Foreigners here are overepresented in crime by a factor of 3.5.

>>13351775
>to kill themselves.
*to kill each other, I meant.

>>13350937
Douglas Murray was a strident shill for wars in the Middle East and wrote the book 'Neoconservativism, why we need it'.

His clique is why Europe is in such shambles and he has the audacity to write a book that only circles vaguely around the obvious issue. Britain deserves to get fucked the hardest.

>>13350974
gee, I wonder who is behind this post...

>>13351762
It really does when you have to be on guard 24/24

>>13351775
>>13351846
>live in the safest urban environment ever created by man
>still frightened by minorites
You sound like a pair of pussies

>>13350974
immigration is bad whether its old or new

>>13351624
lmao let me guess everyone also died if they got a paper cut

>>13351898
It's factually not safer than 60 years ago, you fucking cunt. Try having people throw rocks at you or running after you at night to beat the shit out of you

A nearby McDonald's is used by multiple local gangs as a spot.
They give smack to the homeless people in the area, get them addicted and then demand them more and more money to get their fix, which leads them to do crimes such as pick-pocketing and breaking in to pawn shops, electronic stores, flea markets, etc. which are coincidentally owned by affiliates (most likely just paying protection money to the gang operating around their area) of the other gangs, which in turn leads to more hostilities between the gangs, as the McDonald's is already a contended zone for drug sales, which in turn leads to dead homeless people and dead gang members on the front steps of the McDonald's.
There's a stabbing there almost weekly.
Albanians, Iranians, biker gangs, Somalis, mix in the shiite and sunni, couple hand grenades and molotov cocktails.
Tired blue collar people trying to get a Big Mac after work day.
Police doesn't bother to patrol the area, or is afraid to, doesn't mater either way, I don't live there anymore.
Still get "news" updates from my ex who still lives there, newspapers and journalists aren't interested, it's routine at this point.
Why am I even writing this?

>>13351920
there is a lot more murder than there was 60 years ago.

>>13351920
>>13351902
>>13351931
Bloody Poles, coming over here, being all Polish and mending everything.
Coming over here, fixing all the stuff we've broken and are too illiterate to read the instructions for.
Doing it better than us in a second language.
Bloody Poles.
Coming over here.
When I was a kid.
40, 45 years ago, it was the Indians, weren't it? Bloody Indians, Pakistanis and Indians, coming over here, inventing us a national cuisine.
Before that, in the 16th century, it was bloody Huguenots, weren't it? Bloody Huguenots.
Coming over here from medieval France.
Bloody French.
Religious heretics coming over here, doubting transubstantiation.
Bloody French Huguenots coming over here questioning the Eucharistic symbolism with their famed ability to weave little jerkins out of lace.
We don't want your lace here.
We've got corduroy.
My name's Paul Nuttalls of UKIPs and I say we need to ensure the brightest and best Huguenots stay in medieval France and concentrate on revising its relationship with the Eucharistic tradition, instead of coming over here to the UK and teaching us to make hats out of lace.
And before then, in the 5th century, was the Anglo-Saxons, weren't it? Bloody Anglo-Saxons, coming over here, from Northern Continental Europe.
Bloody Anglo-Saxons with their inlay jewellery and their shit burial traditions, and their miserable epic poetry.
To come over here, Anglo-Saxons, learn to speak the fucking language.
My name's Paul Nuttall from UKIP and I say we need to ensure the brightest and best Anglo-Saxons stay in 5th century Northern Continental Europe instead of coming over here to the UK and laying down the basis of our entire future language and culture.
And before them, 2000BC, 4,000 years ago, was the Beaker folk, weren't it? Bloody Beaker folk.
The Beaker folk.
Coming over here, rowing up the Tagus Estuary from the Iberian Peninsula in improvised rafts.
The bloody Beaker folk, coming over here with their beakers.
With their drinking vessels.
What's wrong with just cupping up the water in your hands? And licking it up like a cat? My name's Paul Nuttall of UKIP and I say we need to ensure the brightest and best Beaker folk stay in the Iberian Peninsula and fill it with beakers instead of coming over here to the UK and teaching us to drink liquid out of cups.
And before them, 4500 BC, 6,500 years ago, the Neolithic people, weren't it? Bloody Neolithic people, coming over here from Continental Mediterranean.
Neolithic people.
Coming over here with their pictograms, and their primitive wheat farming innovations, and their astrological stone circle temples with all the rocks aligned with the movements of the planets.
What's wrong with just worshipping a tree? My name's Paul Nuttall of UKIPs and I say we need to ensure the brightest and best Neolithic people stay in Mediterranean Continent instead of coming over here to the UK and teaching us to make and eat bread.

>>13351898
>>live in the safest urban environment ever created by man
No?
That is completely absurd, 10 years ago it was a a lot safer here, simply because less of the population was part of the 10% who commit 1/3 of crimes.

Even supposing that it is safer then 100 years ago (which is not really the case) it is still getting less safe due to the influx of the aforementioned 10%.

>>13351952
Every time someone mentions "food" as the sole reason why the influx of a certain group was a positive you know that he is completely out of arguments.

>>13351952
Maybe acknowledge us, who don't have the time and resources for platitudes.
I sure as hell didn't choose to be born here.
And I sure as hell won't be able to leave anytime soon.
I didn't care when I was mugged 50 euros by some Albanian kid and his Somali henchman, I was dumb enough to take a shortcut.
What I am bothered by is when a stabbed homeless person becomes a running gag among my friends.
What is there for us to do?
We don't have the money to move, our parents don't own a nice house in some gated community up north.
I work at a god damn plastic factory, doing night shifts and I barely scrape fucking by.
Petit bourgeoisie bitch.

>>13351952
>ahah bros only murders are crimes and immigration have nothing to do with it, look at my grandpa blaming the poles lmao what a moron!
How about you show stats about rape, theft, violent agression, burglaries and stuff from 1940 to today?

>>13352011
Oh and murder rates by ethnicities would be nice too

>>13351952
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11352268/What-is-going-wrong-in-Frances-prisons.html
8% of the population yet make 70% of prison population

>>13351952
>literally bringing up muh food argument
Ahmed will make you kebab while his brother Malik drugs your daughter and turns her into prostitute, in dumbfuck utilitarian brain I guess this evens out.

Also note that all these conquest, like Anglo-Saxons ended up badly for the locals.

>>13351596
the late 1980s

>>13351596
Medieval Europe after the black plague

>>13351789
lavender something something

>>13352011
Wow there has been a huge dropoff in crime since 2002

Also what does 'crime rate' mean? 70% of the population were committing crimes?

>>13352018
This is bizarre. Why are you so fixated on the 23 """"suspects""""" per 100,000 than the 99,997 not """"suspected""""?

>>13352104
>>13352113
Quit being facetious.

>>13352044
Watch out for the 0.073% of Pakistanis I hear literally the whole race are child abusers

>>13352123
Quit misreading statistics you fucking mong. You have no excuse.

>>13352011
So there were lots of immigrants in 1983, then many of them went home, then the number of immigrants went up again in 1994, then they went home, then more immigrants came in 2002, and since 2002 there have been fewer and fewer immigrants in France every year? Is this correct, because there is surely a 1-1 relationship between crime and immigration,

>>13352125
0,095% of Pakistani kebab shop owners certainly make up for them, sure. Especially when coupled with the fact that by sheer probability some of their sons ended up in police administration do Rotterdam tier coverups now have not just politically correct, but also ethic background.

>>13352145
>0,095% of Pakistani kebab shop owners certainly make up for them, sure. Especially when coupled with the fact that by sheer probability some of their sons ended up in police administration do Rotterdam tier coverups now have not just politically correct, but also ethic background.

>>13352113
maths not your strong point anon?

>>13352125
>I hear literally the whole race are child abusers
yeah they are. the rest just haven't been caught yet

>>13352138
Yeah bro, so you have two choices. Either the social change post 1960 caused crime or immigration did. Since you believe immigrants bring cuisine and nothing else, then I guess it's sexual liberation, more lenient laws and police etc.

>>13352113
Are you retarded?
Crime is bad, and letting people into your country who commit DRASTICALLY more crime is obviously bad.

Its like arguing that cancer isn't worthy of being healed because "it only effects a small minority of people so you shouldn't care".

>>13352151
Do you think that asking me if maths isn't my strong point prevents anyone from seeing your poor interpretation of the statistics? These aren't even convictions. Don't get spooked by the size of the bars.

>>13352127
I am not the guy posting these, but your attitude toward the very concept of issues cropping up from mass migration to previously culturally and ethnically orthodox communities is absurd.
You don't fucking live here, you are telling me my lived reality is not worthy of any concern.
Fine, there is nothing to discuss then.
Either I submit to your cult or face a culling.

>>13352157
>poor interpretation of the statistics?
There is no poor interpretation of Statistics.

Do you want to live in a country where murders are 23 times as likely?
Yes or No?

>>13352154
letting people into other countries is retarded, especially letting people leave third world countries rather than staying and improving those economies.

>>13352154
Letting criminals into the country is bad if you want to prevent crime from happening, yes. If you want to talk DRASTIC, what is drastic is the difference in percentage between criminals of a certain ethnicity and innocents. This isn't even a matter of a slight majority -- this is literally over 99% of individuals who get the full blame because of people who do not follow laws. Do you know who else blames entire groups for the actions of individuals? Middle-Easterners.

>>13351929
Which city?

>>13352168
Yeah, that is a whole other issue.
Immigration is even significantly harming the countries where the people are coming from and making them either less stable and/or more dependent on foreign aid.

>>13352158
Issues crop up, solutions crop up, not all of them are correct. You are bypassing a very robust system of law and justice if you believe that the majority of people should pay for the crimes of the few. Absolutely absurd. Maybe you don't believe in justice and that is fine but I cannot respect the opinion of a white man who demonstrates a belief in the unjust, as for that he can be found guilty.

>>13352165
Would you rather live with 23 murder suspects or 99,997 free men?

>>13352175
>>13352192
>this is literally over 99% of individuals who get the full blame
No.
Are you retarded?
I am not *blaming* them for the crimes other people committed, NOBODY here has argued that some random Libanese has to stand trial for what some unrelated member of his ethnic group did.

What people ARE saying is that they do not want Libanese in their countries, as they are increasing the per capita crime rate, this isn't about "guilt" or ""blaming"" its about the question "do we want more of theses people in our country".
There is no right for a random person to be allowed into your country.

>>13352195
If there are 1000 people around me I would rather live with the 0.01 murder suspects then the 0.23 murder suspects, thanks you very much.

>99,997
You are mathematically illiterate. 100.000-23=/= 99.997

>>13352198
>There is no right for a random person to be allowed into your country.
Yes there is, according to the laws of your country.
Given 98% of all crime is committed by men, you surely also argue for increased restrictions on all men

>>13352198
There are many other solutions for crime. If we were barring ethnicities based on any increase in crime then no one would have a home as any crime committed at all is technically an increase. Let us see the issue for what it is -- this is really just a poor excuse for something other. Don't fool yourself. "Those people" aren't tied together by blood any more than you and the liberals who disagree with you.

>>13352214
>Yes there is, according to the laws of your country.
Yes, under specific circumstances that any person has to meet.
That is why I said "random person" speaking about the GENERAL case.

>Given 98% of all crime is committed by men
???
Its about 75% in Germany.

>you surely also argue for increased restrictions on all men
YES. I want Immigration to be stricter on males, yes.

>>13352226
>If we were barring ethnicities based on any increase in crime then no one would have a home as any crime committed at all is technically an increase.
Do you know what per capita means?
I suggest you google it first so that you can understand what I am saying.

> this is really just a poor excuse for something other. Don't fool yourself. "Those people" aren't tied together by blood any more than you and the liberals who disagree with you.
Of course. But so what?

>>13351952
Food nationalism now!

>>13351596
Interglacial Europe
>You'll never ride a forest elephant and train it to fuck up Hippos in Germany

>>13352209
But in a group of 1000 people there is a chance there will be no murder suspects at all. Be in 4000 more groups of 1000 people and still you may not encounter a single murder suspect. Such minute adjustments to the number of murder suspects is really beside the point isn't it. It's the one thing that sticks with people though when they see some graph bars are longer than others. The murder rate is fixed, some other excuse will be given. Please understand yourself.

>>13352234
1000 people. 1 murder. 1 murder per 1000 people. One more person joins. 1001 people. He commits a murder. 2 murders per 1001 people. It's a per capita increase. You know what I'm talking about.

>But so what?

Understand that other. Do not hide your beliefs behind technicalities and slight increases in crime rate that, even given enough time and increased immigration, may in time go down as populations adjust, as the 99% of those of similar ethnicity (or even other immigrants) also fight back against gangs, crime, etc.

>>13352258
>isn't it
No absolutely not, the chance is increased by a factor of 23, you are making a braindead argument here.
"23 times more murders is okay because murders are rare", that is LITERALLY what you are arguing.

The relevant point is that living around 100% Libanese means any murder related even is 23 times more likely to happen, do you want that?
Yes/No?

> It's the one thing that sticks with people though when they see some graph bars are longer than others.
Yes, that is the point of a graphic, to give a visual representation of the data.
Personally I found it more shocking to actually read the PKS and look at the raw numbers, but that is pretty time consuming.

>>13352275
>1000 people. 1 murder. 1 murder per 1000 people. One more person joins. 1001 people. He commits a murder. 2 murders per 1001 people. It's a per capita increase.
???
And what is that suppose to show?

The ENTIRE point is that if the person that joins is a Lebanese the chance of him committing a murder is increased by a factor of 23.

>Understand that other. Do not hide your beliefs behind technicalities and slight increases in crime rate that, even given enough time and increased immigration, may in time go down as populations adjust, as the 99% of those of similar ethnicity (or even other immigrants) also fight back against gangs, crime, etc.
That is an even worse argument then "they brought us food".

>>13352276
If you were actually concerned about murder rates you would be looking at it holistically and not by ethnicity, sorry. Technicalities will not get you far here.

>>13352304
>violent ghettos and islamic terrorism are just 'technicalities'
And people wonder why the far right is on the rise and the left and center have lost contact with the common people

>>13352292
>And what is that suppose to show?

You know how conversations work, yes? You follow on from previous comments.

The ENTIRE point is that if the person that joins is a Lebanese the chance of him committing a murder is increased by a factor of 23.

True, in 2014. Crime per capita seems to be decreasing though if France is a model to be followed (since we're throwing out statistics from different countries)

>>13352304
>If you were actually concerned about murder rates you would be looking at it holistically and not by ethnicity
What kind of garbage argument is that?
"You can't be concerned about A causing B, because there are other factors influencing B that you are currently not arguing against."

woooaaaahhh so this is the greatest time to be alive in human history...

>>13352308
I'm not sure if I would have committed two fallacies in a single post in order to avoid the claim of not being concerned with the murder rate in a holistic sense but obviously we are not of the same intelligence.

>>13352317
I would laugh if in other threads you were arguing that inequality is a natural aspect of capitalism.

>>13352330
Another great argument.
"I assert without any evidence that you hold some entirely unrelated position that I believe is ridiculous, therefore you are wrong."

>>13352323
>complaining about fallacies on the internet, and 4chan of all places
yup, it's a teenage redditor. Tranny as well, probably

Non european are far more likely to commit crimes, make up 2/3 of jail population in places like France, cost a lot in social spending (not to mention increased cost in police, education and infrastructure budget), drive down wages and increase social instability and mistrust (about each others, solidarity or the future) in nations by their sole presence. I am not taking a moral stance, I don't give a shit if few are to blame and others aren't. The fact is that it's definitely not in my interest to let them in and that's all that matters to me.
Suspicious lamb meat sandwich drowned in fatty sauce doesn't make up for all these

>>13352341
Did I assert that? Or did I use the word "if"?

>>13352342
What's the time where you are?

>>13352315
>True, in 2014. Crime per capita seems to be decreasing though if France is a model to be followed (since we're throwing out statistics from different countries)
It isn't.
Rape increased by 20% since last year, thievery 16%, manslaughter 12%, assault 8%

>>13352192
Your post is nothing but presumptous accusations and ad hominem attacks.
>i cannot respect the opinion of a white man
What am I to you?
Do you think I fucking wake up from my hwhite dreams, in my hwhite apartment, dress up in my hwhite work clothes, drive my hwhite piece of junk to the fucking hwhite factory and think about my hwhite thoughts when I am having a smoke break?
Huh?
You fucking Americans deserve a genocide, every single fucking one of you.
Maybe then I can stop hearing about my lack of fucking melanin as an argument.
Maybe then I can discuss why I don't want to deal with a fucking gang war next door or more of some wannabe tough guys mugging fucking elderly people for beer money.
Or having to fucking listen to some teenagers screaming at people in arabic while commuting in a bus.
At least I can fucking tell them to shut the fuck up when it's kids that speak the same fucking language I do.
You have no fucking clue what justice is.
It certainly isn't something that exists where I am.
You spineless bourgoisie cuckhold.

>>13352367
>Did I assert that?
You raised the possibility.
But since the case of the "If" being false you had absolutely no argument assuming that you were certain of the "If" made your argument stronger as then in any case you would at least have a (totally ridiculous) argument.

>'ate manual labour
>'ate providing good customer service
>'ate long hours
>'ate early starts
>'ate immigrants
>Love bennies
>Love hypocrisy
Simple as

>>13352380
Perhaps an increase in reporting rather than actual increase in crime? Regarding rape and sexual assault from the same source as your image:

>The figures came against a background of "collective awareness of violence towards women born out of the (Harvey) Weinstein affair... and the MeToo movement that followed", a report by the ministry's statistical service said.

>"The higher number of victims... probably comes from increased reporting of such crimes and a reduction in tolerance for this type of violence," it added.

Car thefts, drug use, armed robbery and kidnappings are down! Good job.

>>13352394
Your post is nothing but presumptous accusations and ad hominem attacks.

>>13352404
>if you refuse to be ultimate wagecuck for jewish capitalist elites, we will replace your nation with foreigners

>>13352411
2017 compared to 2016
Manslaughters and attempts up by 2%, assault 3.5%, sexual assault 10.36%
What was the 2017 #Metoo???

>>13352395
I mean you can keep saying you find the argument ridiculous but if you were concerned about spending time around people that have a 0.003% of murdering you instead of people that have a 0.0029% chance of murdering you, you would want to do everything possible to reduce crime, yes? Why spend the time arguing specifically about immigration if immigration should be couched in a greater argument about reducing crime? Looks to me like you're spiraling out of control to be honest since you are doing all in your power to avoid the post that continues to just sit there before all, unaddressed.

>>13352420
>What was the 2017 #Metoo???

Ask the ministry, friend. Am I to assume an increase in murders and attempted murders by 69 has no correlation to any population increase too? Where are the 'per capita' arguments now? What I would give for consistent statistics instead of the same chicanery that convinced your flabby mind.

This picture is why /pol/ will always lose.

Just look at the two of them. A beautiful confident articulate woman, stylishly dressed and easy in her own skin. She's totally at home in the modern globalised and multicultural world.
On the other side a unkempt graceless buffoon, ill-educated, unattractive, with nothing intelligent to say. He can't fit in, he can't adapt, he is literally useless to modern society.

Which side do you choose /lit/? I'm choosing to embrace the future.

>IS school in Amsterdam is still going

>>13352458
>meanwhile, in reality

>>13352430
>but if you were concerned about spending time around people that have a 0.003% of murdering you instead of people that have a 0.0029% chance
The chance is increased by a factor of 23, you are lying about the numbers.

>, you would want to do everything possible to reduce crime, yes?
I like easy to implement methods that reduce the numbers of criminals, like strict border controls.
Obviously immigration control is not "solving crime", but it is reducing it.

> Why spend the time arguing specifically about immigration if immigration should be couched in a greater argument about reducing crime?
For the second time:
"You can't be concerned about A causing B, because there are other factors influencing B that you are currently not arguing against."
Is a ridiculous argument, apply it to anything else and you will be laughed at.
"What you want people to wear protective clothing during X-rays, don't you know that it only causes cancer in rare cases and cancer is just one of a million illnesses? Why are you spending the time arguing for protective clothing during X-rays if there should be a greater argument about health?"
This is quite literally your argument, beyond sanity.

> to avoid the post that continues to just sit there before all, unaddressed.
???

>>13352458
>Which side do you choose /lit/? I
I don't chose a side, the battle is long over.
Capital has won, and whatever I do I will spend my life in a multicultural shithole.

>>13352443
You were the one claiming we've never been safer in the first place which is objectively not true
There is a rise in criminality (and a steeper rise for specific crimes), per capita from others countries show who are likelier to be behind it. Beside criminality is only one side of the immigration problem, as I suspect you have never lived in high immigrants places you would never know what it feels like being white and having to go through groups of 20 people being agressive and calling you names (or worse) when you pass them by every fucking day (and that's only one shit I had to live with among many). There is nowhere to find peace, society becomes more and more conflictual and there's no way to prevent it until there is a scission and everyone finally decides to live completely appart. All of that could have been avoided had people been sensible regarding immigration policies.
You can still pretend nothing is happening and everything is fine, I know where my interest lies.

>>13352475
>you are lying about the numbers.

It's a hypothetical hence the 'if'.

>This is quite literally your argument, beyond sanity.

When you fumble the attempt at interpreting it with false equivalence and view it through the lens of your own fallacy yes it does seem a bit silly doesn't it?

Bottom line is I know what you're arguing and why you're arguing it. Hiding it behind rhetoric and deploying statistics strategically isn't as logically sound as you'd like to think.

I will make an accusation here: you would no longer be as concerned with the crime rate if stricter border controls were enforced. If that day comes you will know you were a hypocrite all along, and maybe you will learn. Maybe not.

The Netherlands has a blatant homo- and transphobic muslim party, yet it still gets labeled progressive left. People in the """""punk""""" scene vote for it

Statistically speaking, by 2030 at the very latest Britain will have a minority of White British births. What that means in terms of Europe's ontological status is up to you to decide.

Pic related is the White British birth rate in London and the UK over an eight year period.

Acting on immigration would reduce criminality, not doing anything about it would worsen it. That's simple and that's a fact.
I know that some people says immigration is just the tip of the iceberg and criminality is a problem that should be tackled as a whole, they've been saying that for decades and nothing happened as of yet. So here's the thing: as they are obviously unable to act fast and efficiently against criminality as a whole, and as they are unwilling to act on something that if unchecked keep making the problem worse (immigration), then how do they expect to solve the problem entirely? all they are doing is freezing any simple actions that, while they wouldn't solve the problem entirely, would still have a positive effect. They are willingly making themselves unable to tackle one simple problem, so what makes them think they'll be able to solve a complex one?

>>13352529
>It's a hypothetical hence the 'if'.
No, it isn't hypothetical, I am talking about REALITY, where Libanese have a 23 times higher chance of committing a murder then a German.

>When you fumble the attempt at interpreting it with false equivalence and view it through the lens of your own fallacy yes it does seem a bit silly doesn't it?
Where was I wrong?
You are literally saying that because I am not concerned about every factor going into crime I can't be concerned about one specifically.

>you would no longer be as concerned with the crime rate if stricter border controls were enforced.
I am against Immigration for various reasons, one of the reasons is an increase in crime.
Obviously I am not "pro crime" thus I am for doing things that lower the crime rate, strict migration controls is a relatively easy way to decrease crime, thus I am in favor of it, if there is another easy to implement way of decreasing crime I am also in favor of it.
But yes, if there were no immigrants I would be less concerned about the crime rate, as I see no other simple to implement ways of reducing it, but if I did, again, I would be in favor of implementing them.
That is neither hypocrisy nor me being inconsistent, it is a rational reason to be against something.

You can ignore my analogies all you want, but you haven't pointed out in any way whatsoever why they are wrong, because the exact same argument you are making does not hold up in ANY other case, you are 100% ideological here and as , as I am admit, I am also ideologically against Immigration, I have at the very least rational justifications, which you do not seem to have.

>>13352502
>You were the one claiming we've never been safer in the first place which is objectively not true

For the record I jumped in after that so it wasn't my argument.

It's fine to argue about aggressiveness, rudeness, intimidation, etc., and sure I would agree. I won't really challenge your first-hand account. What I'm not really on board with is escalating this experience to a more general discourse on violent crime as to limit immigration when really it was about experiences of things that are not violent crimes. I'm about to leave because it is night time, but I will say that for every non-white criminal there are nearly 100 non-white non-criminals who live with it as you do, who are just as fed up as you are, who just want to make their way in the West as peacefully as you do, who want a chance. The issues are not just national, they are local, amongst people who are not homogeneous in their beliefs or attitudes. If I'm trying to convince you of anything it is that the issue is not race against race, and if I have the chance to convince anyone of a different race of the same thing I would say just the same.

>>13352502
>you would never know what it feels like being white and having to go through groups of 20 people being agressive and calling you names (or worse) when you pass them by every fucking day
You sound like a pussy ass nigga desu. I hope they bully the fuck out of your racist hide

>>13352529
You realise the inverse of your last statement is also true, right, and that your attempt to grapple with the crime statistics are not objectively honest and disinterested point of view but one which privileges the pro-immigration perspective out of a certain moral scruple or partisan feeling.

It's funny seeing white people get scared of minorities flooding their countries when it was their fault that they created the conditions for which coming to Europe and America was necessary, its your fault and you will pay the price for it.

>>13352573
It was the fault of capitalists then, and it is the fault of capitalists now.

>>13352565
>>13352573
Well, at least you admit that you are doing that to kill whitey.
I wish you could do that as openly as you are doing here.

>>13352542
In 1300 100% of the English population was Catholic, and now its only 5%.what this means for the ontological status of England I leave up to you

>>13352584
Enjoying the same things that 'whitey' do on a daily basis doesn't mean we want to kill you lot, moron. It's just factually correct that immigration to the West for a better life accelerated after whitey started to mess with non-Western countries for their own selfish gain

>>13352593
Yeah mate ethnicity and religion are totally the same thing.

Protip: it isn't London's 10% Catholic population which is committing 68% of gun crimes..

>>13352599
No, acceleration started when we, from the self sacrificing kindness of our hearts, decided to let you in.

>>13352613
So rising crime threatens the ontological status of a country? Can you break this argument down for me because I'm not following you at present

>>13352617
Yeah and what could've prevented all that? By not fucking with non-White people in their homelands lmao, it's your fault, pay the price for it

>>13352629
>Yeah and what could've prevented all that?
Not letting you in.

> By not fucking with non-White people in their homelands lmao
???

>>13352562
I'm not even making an argument about race and criminality, I was only replying to a chart on criminality and retarded strawan about grampa hating on the poles. I don't think murders matter at all in general well being because there are so few of them (though migrants again are more prone to it), it's all the small things adding up that makes life unbearable and immigration only furthers the problem. Whether there is a linked or not with genetics is irrelevant as factually races do exist in the way people interact which each others and it doesn't seem to be declining with tolerant policies and social inclusion tentatives, far from it. There is therefore absolutely no need to keep up with the immigration hubris because it only adds fuel to the fire, it deepens the separation and aggressivity between outgroups (though the most aggressive one is by far non europeans) and that will only leads to social disintegration.
>ill say that for every non-white criminal there are nearly 100 non-white non-criminals who live with it as you do, who are just as fed up as you are, who just want to make their way in the West as peacefully as you do, who want a chance
possibly, but I don't care. Letting them in is not in my interest because with them come all the rest even if them themselves are not guilty of it

>>13352636
Sorry but you started all this by fucking up with people's countries all over the world throughout history, therefore forcing them to move to your world in order to make a decent living because you couldn't leave them alone.

You know it's your people's fault EITHER WAY, accept it

>>13352639
>Letting them in is not in my interest
It is though. You will be poorer if you live in a sealed hermit kingdom. You might not like it, but immigration is essential to your countries economy

>>13352650
Well, let's try it. We will see if non europeans bring more money than they cost (police, education, infrastructures, social spending not to mention global wellbeing)

>>13352649
>therefore forcing them to move to your world
We weren't forced to let you in, that was a deliberate decision, probably forced by capitalists to more easily exploit labor. what is your point?

>You know it's your people's fault
Yeah, that is what I am saying. It is 100% our fault that we let you in.

>>13352663
yeah you accept that white people are cancer so stop bitching lmao

>>13352650
>but immigration is essential to your countries economy
And eternal economic growth is good because ...?
And why was Europe, pre mas smigration after WW2 not an irrelevant poor shithole if it had no Immigrants?

>>13352660
>Well, let's try it.
It has been tried, back in the day when it was impossible for most people to travel.
If you are so butthurt about >muh crime, you seem very willing to take the risk of crime increasing after the inevitable economic collapse such a policy would incur.

>>13352666
>yeah you accept that white people are cancer
I accept that white people are cancer that is unwilling to protect itself, they are a pretty poor cancer I have to say.

It really was a big mistake to enlighten the world with 2000 years of science and to ever contact you and give you the light of civilization, but whatevs.

>>13352675
Yeah, Hungary is having a disastrous economical collapse right now, completely unable to feed its own population, everybody is starving and there is no chance for its continued existence, since they didn't let in Millions of barely educated "refugees" who have zero place in its job market ... oh ... wait ...

>>13352675
I doubt reducing immigration from more than 300k a year to not even 30k would cause an economic collapse that would be worse than the postwar economy before marshall plan (where criminality was still way less of a problem than today, but again that's just one side of the problem) but keep memeing please

>>13352671
Mass immigration started right after WWII. The British goverment had to pay people to come to prop up economy
Most of Europe was an irrelevant poor shithole after WWII. It's only because the Americans were shit scared of gommie that they propped up western europe. Eastern Europe remained a poor shithole until the people were allowed to emigrate.

>>13352688
Hungary is fucking basketcase pseudo-dictatorship with the highest poverty rates in Europe

>>13352692
>Eastern Europe remained a poor shithole until the people were allowed to emigrate.
How exactly does an economy grow due to people emigrating from it?

>Most of Europe was an irrelevant poor shithole after WWII.
Yeah, I remember a certain War happening.

>>13352691
>I doubt reducing immigration from more than 300k a year to not even 30k would cause an economic collapse
Try it. How will companies recruit? Get fucking chavs in lmao?

>>13352701
>How exactly does an economy grow due to people emigrating from it?
They gain skills and qualifications abroad, they remit money home, etc etc. Please learn how a global economy works rather than getting your info from /pol/

>>13352700
>with the highest poverty rates in Europe
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/news/themes-in-the-spotlight/poverty-day-2018
Yeah, that seems to be a complete lie, maybe try again?

>>13352705
as opposed to uneducated africans? Most of the immigration is not even work related

>>13352705
>Try it. How will companies recruit?
From the educates 30k instead of the uneducated Somali without the equivalent of a highschool degree?

The majority of Immigration targets the lower ends of the Job marked, how many toilet cleaners does the UK need?
And maybe, just maybe, not having access to cheap labor would mean that being a toilet cleaner would be better payed?

>>13352666
>>13352458
>>13352404
have sex

>>13352458
both are ugly, god humans are so fucking ugly. I can't wait until we're all either goo girls or have a cartoon merge with the cartoon dimension

>>13352730
>>13352716
The average Somalian is smarter, harder working and more polite than the average Brit. If companies could fill their vacancies without immigrants they would, but they can't, so they don't.
>>13352714
>hurr durr it's only the 4th worst for poverty

>>13350937
I actually think Euros will be okay once the American yoke is gone. They just need to stop taking cues from our guilt-psychosis towards Africans.

>>13353030
Of course I forgot to say that this doesn't apply to Britain. They're done.

Is a rationalization that makes sense ever provided by any proponents of globalization for why immigrants are being brought in en masse?

>>13352789
what is mental deprivation and why are we that high

>>13351831
abstract jew

>>13352794
>UK
And nothing of value was lost.

>>13353063
In not a proponent of globalization but it's really pretty trivial: the government wants to increase the population for various reasons.

ITT retarded Americans caged in in their suburban McMansion who drive everywhere being hysterical about cities in Europe where they've never been, crying about how dangerous the cities are even though theyre still 1000000 times safer than the ugly american ones

>>13353158
I doubt you live in western Europe

>>13353163
I'm German, halts Maul Ami

>>13350987
Lol, look at her very Jewish eyes, nose, ears and mouth. She needs more interracial action in her life.

>>13351753
No, the Anglosphere is.

>>13353063
A globalised economy depends on free movement of goods, services and people.
We can't go back to mining coal in Yorkshire, it won't work

>>13350937
No. Native European fertility rates will inevitably rise again in a few generations. France is already showing an increase in fertility, due to having an earlier demographic transition and therefore more time for natural selection to take effect.

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/where-do-babies-come-from/
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/france-as-epicenter-of-fertility-transition/

>>13353189
>muh free movement
It's all fun and games until your new population votes in Communism and the economy goes to zero. There's nothing actually requiring the free movement of goods, services and people and the extent to which it is even desirable is questionable.

>>13353190
I'm sure mass migration from french ex-colonies shitholes has nothing to do with their birth rates.

>>13353202
>There's nothing actually requiring the free movement of goods, services and people
No, we don't have to have a globised economy. We could go back to the feudal system, or autarky or something. So far, nobody is voting for that or for communism, but I await further developments

*laughs at the west*

>>13353190
France is already black and muslim

>>13351596
1985.

>>13351578
>implying major cities anywhere are not shitholes

>>13353232
The incel capital of the world, impressive.
Being a bunch of sexless angry racists is fitting.

>>13351596
The second half of the XX century was peak history.

>>13353232
>stagnation of economy and birthrates intensifies

>>13353264
germany has a lower birth rate than japan

>>13352649
I don't give a fuck what policies my ancestors enacted when even my parents hadn't been born yet. Also, why do you insist on fleeing to the country that fucked your country up?

>>13353268
there are tons of faults with Japan but this one is the dumbest one to pick out
Japan's birthrates are no worse than the West. The only difference is you don't notice it so much in the West because governments in Europe, the US, and Australasia insist on importing masses of people from fuck knows where to keep up their GDP bullshit.
Japan is doing the right thing by letting the problem unfold and finding their own solution without immigration, even if it costs them some economic power.

>>13352649
>Sorry but you started all this by fucking up with people's countries all over the world throughout history
oh no help stop white people are bringing modern medicine and building railroads and shit help

>>13353287
>finding their own solution without immigration, even if it costs them some economic power.
What is it, twenty lost years of growth now? Superior nippon stagnation, folded 100 times

>>13353303
They seem to be doing well. GDP is not some holy god to be appeased. If I pay a guy to dig ditches and then fill 'em up again, and pay him $10 an hour, the GDP rises. Yet I haven't created any wealth.

>>13353303
a country can recover from economic stagnation but a country drowning in racial mixing is lost forever

That book is so frustrating. It does a great job of showing what a clusterfuck Europe has become but it knowingly avoids the ((( reasons ))).

>>13353303
Still better than what's happening here in Europe

>>13353315
>country drowning in racial mixing is lost forever
Seriously what does this even mean? Is USA lost forever?

>>13353327
>Is USA lost forever?
have you been living under a god damn rock?

>>13353303
Who cares if their economy isn't growing as quickly anymore? They're still higher in absolute terms than they were in the 80s.
Even if they were declining who cares even then? They were the #2 economy in the world until only this decade, and it took like 1.4 billion chinks to overtake them. So what if they sink to #3 or even #5?

>>13353259
Quebec-city is fine, so is Budapest

>>13353327
>Is USA lost forever?
OH NO NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>he still doesn't know

>>13353327
Its future is endless racial conflicts and idpol, it will never be able to transcend that; you might say that it was always the case but certainly not to this extent as there were still some sense of coherence and unity. There will absolutely be a white people party vs non-white one, watch as the dems can't keep up anymore with OAC tier wing and reps are forced to radicalize if they do not want to be irrelevant to the white demography

>>13353342
>>13353359
>>13353388
So, you guys got nothing apart from memes and weird race war fantasies?

>>13353399
How is it a fantasy? Are democrats not planning to make reparation an issue for 2020's election? Are republican voters not radicalizing regarding idpol? If you think this will lead to nothing except business as usual then you are very naive

>>13353399
let's hear it anon, how do you think this polarization will sort itself out?

>>13353268
Most of the Western world has lower birth rates than Japan once you control for immigrants from the third world.

>>13353303
You can recover from an economic downturn, you can't recover from mass migration by Indios, Africans and Arabs, as history shows.

>>13353399
I think it's pretty straightforward to see how the US is going to turn out when it implements the Latino mode of governance coupled with the rave psychosis.

>>13353416
>once you ignore the solution, the problem remains

>>13353452
It does, autochtonous population aren't growing. There's no point wanting a growth in population if it makes you a stranger in your own country, in both case you disappear

>>13353452
You fucking brainlet, if you put migrants into a new country on average you expect that their birthrates will settle down to the average of that nation, not solving the problem at all, except temporarily.
It's masking the symptom, not curing the problem, which is that the people feel that the country isn't giving them a good opportunity or reason to have kids. Immigrants don't mean shit to that.

>>13351596
>men can become women
>boys can become girls
truly the best timeline

>>13353459
>>13353460
>autochtonous population aren't growing
So what? If people don't want kids, that's their prerogative. Why shouldn't the government adjust immigration policy accordingly to meet the shortfall?

>>13353452
Its a temporary solution since the immigrants usually fall into the same trap as the natives especially the generation after the immigrants

>itt: stuttering /pol/tards

>>13353472
Because it only leads to social disintegration while not even solving the problem permanently as it requires even more immigration to support previous ones now growing old

>>13353485
It's a vicious cycle that won't end well

>>13353485
>it only leads to social disintegration
This is caused by racists. As older, whiter, more racist generations die off, the problem will go away
>it requires even more immigration
Not a problem

>>13353500
Explain to me how far right parties are far more successful with younger generations than with "racist" old boomers that always vote for the statu quo

>>13351898
lmao

>>13351952
>muh food
>muh cultural festivals
peak npc

Why is the reverse not encouraged? Sending the skilled (especially those without children) to further improve the third world?

>>13352573
>necessary
quite literally meaningless
their sense of necessity means absolutely nothing to me and so it should not become my problem

>>13352125
140 times more likely than white british men to molest a child.

>>13353481
You want to live in Brazil? Cos this how you get to live in brazil.

>>13351596
People off themselves more than anytime in history and don't have children anymore. That should mean something.

>>13352125
250,000 Pakistanis come to UK every year, that's 18,250 more child abusers/rapists each year.
>no big deal

>>13352145
Shit tier kebab shops (Greek and Turkish are much better) with poor quality meat are worth our children being more vulnerable to abuse.

>>13350937
Honestly europe as a white continent is over. Nothing can stop it.
I dream for a distant future were whites will live in harmony without ANY diversity in north Scandinavia or somewhere in north-western Russia.

>>13353590
>europe as a white continent
Europe was never a white continent

>>13353563
>People off themselves more than anytime in history
We don't have records going back that far on this and there were many other ways to die either quieter or by someone else's hand.

>don't have children anymore
People no longer need to pump out labours to support their domestic bills. Which is why people from poor countries have 5+ kids.

>>13352700
You are a retard. I was in Hungary last year, it's white and pretty rich. Eastern europa is now the last real europa. France, germany and UK are dead.

>>13353190
France is not white anymore. You've never been to Paris have you? France is the first white country to disappear, along with the UK. Marseilles is an authentic arab-muslim city. It's not even ironic.

>>13352700
>fucking basketcase pseudo-dictatorship
someone's been reading the guardian again.

>>13353606
>magyars
>white
That's not how you spell turkish

>>13353540
This does happen but it's typically westerners going to work for middle eastern banks and oil companies. Otherwise, why would you willingly go to a regressive shit hole for less pay unless you genuinely cared and why would a nation subsidise losing its skilled worker for another nation?

Im white but kind of hyped for the catholic mongrel usa vs islam europe. Gonna be some weird times ahead. My white ass will probably be gassed before I can really appreciate it. Just watching from the sidelines just seeing them fuck up absolutely everything and completely dismantling white thought from the left to the right.

>>13353622
We look much whiter than the Turks.

>>13353606
We're anything but rich.

>>13353540
97% of Saudi Arabia's workforce is comprised of European and Asian technicians.

>>13353647
Europe won't become Islamic. Realistically it's not that hard to solve these problems once the American Progressive elite are gone. Same thing goes for much of the US outside of the core Progressive states. I mean CA is gone, but otherwise the problem is solvable. Sad that we just gave away paradise though because not doing so would be mean.

>>13353597
Of course it was you piece of shit. That's called the caucasian race. Get yourself, your sister, mother, wife, fucked by diversity. The fact that you are a degenerate homosexual open to all the races of the world doesn't mean we want to follow the same shitty path as you.

>>13353674
It's already Islamic. We lost. White, western, European civilization is dead in every sense of the word.

Dont worry boys, were coming back.

>>13353677
>the caucasian race
Exactly, caucasians come from the Caucasus.
The Caucasus is located in Asia Minor.
Asia Minor is not white.
Therefore Caucasians aren't white

>>13351952
This is, ultimately, a really good post and none of these nazis have a response

>>13353597
>>13353599

Thank God leftists dont have kids. Whatever cuck mutation is present in their DNA will be expunged from the White Race in 1 generation.

The few they have they turn into trannies.

Meanwhile, im planning on 5, and indoctrinating them from the age of 4.

>>13353703
Your brain in your braincase is upside down.

>>13353681
Пopa CЛABЯHCКOЙ, BOCTOЧHOЙ, EBPOПEЙCКOЙ ЦИBИЛИЗAЦИИ BEPHУTЬCЯ

>>13353703

It was white when the Hittites ruled it, or before when the sons of Sumer landed on mt. Ararat.

But in all honesty, Europe will be white or it will be irradiated.

>whites last hope are the slavs

Just fuck my shit up

>>13353710
>Meanwhile, im planning on 5, and indoctrinating them from the age of 4.
Too bad you will never have a woman.

Europe is already lost. Some is irrepairable damage, some will take multiple generations to clean up.

>>13352138
>If the correlation is <1 it doesn't exist

europe and its women can suck my big, fat muslim dick.

>>13352154
But anon the tumor only occupies a small minority of my body.

>>13353677
>I don't always ignore centuries of Islamic and Roman history, but when I do its because it hurts my feelings

>>13353500
>implying only white people are or can be racist

>>13351596
the carolingian empire

>>13352104
>>Wow there has been a huge dropoff in crime since 2002
You probably don't even know about our dear Sarkozy and la politique du chiffre.
Policemen are incentivized to have lower crime rates so they just don't report it. Boom, lower crime rate. Truly a marvel of civilization.

>>13353890
>implying anyone but white people can be racist

>>13352789
>The average Somalian is smarter, harder working and more polite than the average Brit. If companies could fill their vacancies without immigrants they would, but they can't, so they don't.
>implying Somalians work
>implying any of the above comparison
>mfw

>>13353900
based super sarko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4KqvVlp9LQ

>>13353452
>the important thing is not the actual people but whether they have a given flag on their passport
How do universalists larp as empathetic after assuming the interchangeability of everyone?

>>13353908
It's pretty racist of you to adjudicate a vice exclusively to a single race. Anyone who says all black people are retards is being racist, and anyone who says that all white people are evil are racist. Thus, every race on the planet can be racist. Unless you believe in ethnic predisposition towards certain beliefs, which is stupid as fuck.

ITT: literal racists vs. touchy-feely think-of-the-children leftists who aren't aware of the fact that their emotions are being exploited by capital
not ITT: literature

>>13353956
Racism is a structural issue which requires the systemic abuse of power, so yes, only white people can be racist. Educate yourself retard

>>13354009
We got a time traveler from 2014 on our hands.
Did you know /tv/ still baneposts?

>>13353932
Spending your giro on a Ngubu accy isn't a real job anon

>>13354009
That's the kind of ideology a hypocrite uses to justify their own reprehensible behavior as they criticize others for doing the exact same thing. People like you have no real integrity, only wish wreak discord while talking about concord and are either blindly retarded or outright evil. Go fuck yourself; this conversation is over.

>>13354019
>>13354104

>>13351493
Incompatibility so obvious the clown world meme begins to make sense

>>13352458
The leftist youth, failing to understand that she is the darling of multinational corporations.
Endless migration of cheap slaves, yes!
While the working man who suffers the consequences is called a fool.
Over, and over, and over.

>>13354194
>multinational corporations bad!
>indigenous working class good!

>>13354231
>being a corporatist bootlicker

>>13353472
How would that solve the problem you dolt?
Do you think people just fucking appear out of thin air? No, they come from countries where people do want to have kids, and the question still remains: what is wrong with the country that people aren't wanting to fulfill one of the most basic desires in a normal human life?

>>13353500
>This is caused by racists. As older, whiter, more racist generations die off, the problem will go away
oh sweetheart if you think
A) the problem is caused by racists
or
B) that older white people are more racist than the shit young brown or Asian people say and think
you're in for a harsh wake up call one day

>>13353751

>leftist cope

Ive a gf for 6.5 years. (Both university educated). Sadly she only wants 3 max but ill just impregnate her again and again. She thinks im too radical but she cant stop me from indoctrinating my sons.
Cant wait desu...

>>13352534
>oh will someone please think of the fags, our democratic western tolerant values!

>>13353698
please start fashwave image posting

>>13354267
>>13354274
>I want women to be powerless brood mares raisising kids they don't want, but not in an Islamic way

>>13354354
>I want women to be powerless brood mares raisising kids they don't want, but not in an Islamic way

>>13354354
No you fucking idiot, the problem is what is wrong with the conditions of the country that are making people not want kids
You want to change those conditions so people actually do want to have kids, because any species naturally wants to have children
Are you a mental cripple or what

>>13354420
>the conditions of the country that are making people not want kids
So female emancipation? When women have the choice, they choose to have fewer children, there is a very tight correlation between women's rights and fertility rates.
Do you want a handmaid's tale type set up, or will you be content to just deny them the right to vote?

>>13351989
This should be pinned on top of that text block it responds to

>>13354453
absolute brainlet if you don't think there's more to it than "duhh if given the choice women would just choose to not have kids"
can you afford a kid?
can you afford a house?
can you afford to support a decent lifestyle?
can you do all of this and have enough time left to spend with your family?
oh, no, it must be that somehow we're a species that doesn't actually enjoy reproducing for some 0 IQ reason

>>13354479
If this was the case, then women in poorer countries would have fewer children, which obviously doesn't happen. Women tend to have lots of babies because they are forced to, not because they want it
It's a really regressive and sexist idea to suggest that hurr durr it's nachural to have lots of kids if you don't do it there's something wrong. How many times would you go through pregnancy if you had the choice. Bet you'd be shit scared to do it once, but you expect women to pump out your ayran babies for you

>>13351952
fuck off stewart

>>13354507
>If this was the case, then women in poorer countries would have fewer children
wrong because children generate security in those countries
>It's a really regressive and sexist idea to suggest that hurr durr it's nachural to have lots of kids if you don't do it there's something wrong
it's not regressive or sexist, it's called natural selection, sweetie
species without the drive to reproduce die out in a pretty obvious case of Darwin at work

>>13354507
>it's nachural to have lots of kids if you don't do it there's something wrong
it literally is natural to reproduce
back to school

>>13354557
>>13354571
It's natural to get abortions too. It's natural to not want kids when you have the choice.
The naturalistic fallacy isn't an argument.

>>13351081
all civilizations die, and Europe isn't the first this has happened to. Eventually humanity will go extinct.

>>13354599
that's why trying to save nature is completely futile.

>>13354584
it's not a fallacy you fucking idiot it's basic biology
the naturalistic fallacy would be me using 'natural' to impose a moral judgement on it which i'm not doing
species that do not have the desire to reproduce go extinct and do not pass those traits on, and therefore, on average, all species reproduce
this is getting back to fucking high school level basic biology now, you can't be this uneducated
the weird thing is you're even accusing me of being /pol/ when i haven't even stated any political side at all, you're disagreeing with established scientific fact just for the fuck of it

>>13351596
Prior to the finno-korean hyperwar.

>>13350937
No, only a deluded racist that has their whole year ruined by spotting a brown person would think that, the western world is more dominant than ever.

>>13354599
Japan died in the 1800s when it turned western

>>13351993
Native poor are losers who deserve to suffer.
Foreign poor are unfortunate souls who need care and affection!

Don't question the narrative, goy.

>>13354655
SEETHING

>>13354655
Western financial elites are certainly dominant, but ask a white girl from Rotherham if she feels particularly dominant when being raped by Ahmed and his entire clan.

Europe is actually better off than the US. They have ubiquitous, coherent ethnic identities and in most cases still enjoy 80-90% majorites. The "invaders" are so different culturally and physically that it's much easier for a German or an Italian or whatever to see what's happening and "wake up".

Compare to America: The idea of ethnic identity has been totally dismantled over the past 60 years, most don't see the US as anything more than a placeholder for liberal ideals. We've also been taking in more immigrants than anyone else over a much longer period of time.

>>13354633
>impose a moral judgement on it which i'm not doing
Oh yes you are. You clearly think it's a good thing for white people to reproduce and you want government policy changed to encourage it
>you're disagreeing with established scientific fact just for the fuck of it
Where? I said it's just as natural to have abortions and to not want kids as it is to have kids. You don't get to choose the behaviours that suit your ideology and call those 'natural'.
> i haven't even stated any political side at all
You hate women, you hate minorities, we've all worked out what political side you're on

>>13354750
White people in the US have guns though

>>13354765
In fact people from all over the political spectrum can think women and minorities are retarded, you maybe be interested in reading about 'all of human history'

>>13354765
>You hate women, you hate minorities, we've all worked out what political side you're on

>>13354765
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA SEETHING ROASTIE

>>13354765
>every poster in a thread is the same
listen, just stop it, it's embarrassing at this point.
If people are no longer actually wanting to start families, that's a clear sign something is wrong with your society. Until you have any reason to dispute this obvious fact, just stop posting, because your posts are an absolute mess.
>I said it's just as natural to have abortions and to not want kids as it is to have kids.
also lmao at thinking basic biological functions of all living things are "just as natural as abortions"
just read a fucking book for heaven's sake

>>13354765
>you want government policy changed to encourage it
well god forbid we live in a country where we can afford to start families

>>13354776
And what good has it done anyone? Great, I can pop off at minority criminals trying to force their way through my front door.

Having a population that correctly identifies the nation with the people it governs rather than the gayass constitution is more valuable than all the guns in the world. But hey, at least I have plenty of arms stockpiled for when the US becomes a GTA online server

>>13354821
>when the US becomes a GTA online server
A few more years. Get prepping

>>13354703
Rotherham "rape victims" are quite literally just chav girls prostituting themselves. I'd imagine they do feel dominant in their own way, probably about their financial situation after rendering all those services.

>>13355005
based

>>13354231
Just stating an argument in a simplistic way and then posting a image doesn't make you correct, it makes you look pretty cringy, and thats why youre not taken seriously.
Here give me a argument, and ill do the same autistic shit you're doing.

>>13354231
i agree with both of these statements, my beard is nicer than wojaks and my genetics are not so bad i need glasses

>>13350987
is this terry a. davis genderswapped as a pleasent older woman?

>>13354354

Mjeah. Basicly. Giving power to women clearly just ruins entire civilizations.

Women are a resource, and Im keen on exploitimg them.

>>13354599

Very cucked and surrenderish of you. But we wont go softly into the good night sweety.

Besides... Asians and niggers arent humans, and jews are humans mixed with demons.

>>13354794

B-butterfly, w-what are you doing?!

>>13352342
If someone's argument uses logical fallicies then no one should take it seriously or feel the need to respond. Do you not understand this?

Daily reminder that not a single white person (gentile or otherwise) advocating for mass non-white immigration has to live in daily contact with them.

>>13351493
If it makes no difference, why bring them over at all? Why not have 0 immigration instead of unlimited?