/lit/ - Literature

>>13348780
DUDE ITS LIKE SYMBOLIC OR SOMETHING

>>13348780
Learning from Las Vegas

>>13348780
The Silmarillion

>>13348780
It's literally a doodle

>>13348780
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>>13348780
This one is actually cool

>>13348780
Foucault

>>13348840
Best girl.

Why must (post)modern architects always be such pretentious counts?

Everything around the building is the bigger problem

>>13348861
they're the embodiment of individualism (arrogance) and discard harmony and beauty in favour of aggrandising themselves.

they think nothing of harming the eyes of everyone who lives in the vicinity of their work every day, while they rarely have to set their eyes upon their monstrosities.

>>13348808
Unironically this. Morgoth is like Satan. He can't create anything on his own, he can only take what is good and twist and corrupt.

>>13348873
especially that canadian flag

>>13348904
And fuck you too

>a million other old buildings to looks at
>waah, why isn't the only one that stands out and make you think the same!

>>13348916
You've never been to toronto then.

>>13348916
>stands out and make you think
what a pleb

>>13348915
what a surprise, it's a canuck

>>13348916
>the only one that stands out

this is the problem with capitalism

>>13348780
This makes me chuckle more than making me mad, it's like a good joke

>>13348915
fucking leaf

>>13348780
Yes is more, by Bjarke Ingels
>>13348853
Unironically this

>>13348938
>capitalism is at fault for ugly architecture
One more line added to the long list of retarded opinions on the crimes of capitalism.

>>13348940
>it's like a good joke
Yes, as in Canada is just one massive joke that everyone stopped laughing at a long time ago.

>>13348938
Look at Soviet brutalism you retard. It's not better.

>>13348952
individualism is wickedness

>Dali on Modern Art, The Cuckolds of Antiquated Modern Art

>>13348926
There aren't too many interesting buildings.

>>13348956
>you fink capitalism bad so u marksist!

another brilliant post by the barren butterfly

>>13348953
>smug American secretly envious of Canada
As they say "success breeds jealousy."

Why do Jews do this?

>>13348967
parasitic in nature, only able to corrupt their lifegivers.

>Dude steel triangles lmao

>>13348963
>>you fink capitalism bad so u marksist!
>another brilliant post by the barren butterfly

>>13348780
The transvaluation of values is the essential meta-ethic of christianity, and therefore the west. This should be obvious.

>>13348977
what motivates a childless, post-menopausal woman to post under a tripcode on an anime imageboard?

>>13348997
Why are you so butthurt? Did I hurt your FEEFEES?

>>13348780
see >>13348805
I feel like lso "Digital culture in architecture" by Antoine Picon or "composition, non-composition" by Jacques Lucan or even anything by Greg Lynn are good starts on the subject.
If you feel like it you could also read "Informal" by the engineer Cecil Balmond, he describe his work with Libeskin on another museum project, the V&A spiral (pic related)

>>13348780
when you forget about beauty, things like this usually happen

>>13348780
Roger Scruton

>>13348780
I think it looks good

>>13349101
You are being brainwashed

>>13348850
>>13348873
>>13348916
>>13349101
I would have no qualms with these people and those like them being thrown in a gas chamber

>>13348780
it's literally a cancerous growth

>>13349115
>U r being brainwashhed!!! Now read this obscure totally not part of the brainwash system fillosofur fredwrecked neetzchee
>>13349115
Have sex my friend

>>13349115
>everything around that building is a bigger problem
He's technically correct. Perverse modernity is the reason something like that was allowed to happen.

>>13349115
>U NO SHARE MY AESTHETIC = YUO DIE

>>13349158
don't try to weasel out of your Godlessness by calling it relativity

>>13349158

>>13346407

>>13349115
Have sex

I agree that it looks good and it's more interesting than the other buildings, what's the problem

I'm going to assume no one read Tom Wolfe's book From Bauhaus to Our House

>>13349243

You guys realize this architecture style is outdated already right? It's always the same picture of the Museum you complain about too. If you don't like it just stop thinking about it so much

>>13349366

/lit/ proving me wrong once again. Based and Wolfepilled

>>13349496
>You guys realize this architecture style is outdated already right?
>outdated

>>13349496
putting random pointy bits of metal and glass on old buildings has definitely not yet run its course with our architectural luminaries

>>13349510
WHY.

>>13348780
joyce

>>13349529
why not

>>13348780
i hated it at first but after seeing it so many times, it's actually not that terrible desu

Drawing for architecture by Leon kreir

>>13350612
literally kill yourself

>yeah man, we have to, like, make it clear that our intervention is ,like, something posterior to the building itself

>>13349510
This is unironically great. Stop pretending to care about the notre dame cathedral because you project your feeble undergrad minds of what the past was "really like" unto it. You fetishize the past and thus destroy it you fucking untermensch incels

>>13349510

>>13350828
>cultural marxist calling projecting on others that they have feeble undergrad minds

How has no one mentioned the fountainhead by ayn rand yet?

modern and postmodern architecture can and has produced monstrocities, but often critics of it tend to be laymen boomers with a hard-on for a time long past. (>>13349366) Like seriously, people like these "new urbanism" faggots are insufferable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waalgjQ52vM
The modernist masters were geniuses, that also were extremely avant garde to a fault. Most buildings made by Le Corbusier or Mies are an eyesore and unlivable/unusable, but there's SO much to learn from them it's actually insane.

>>13350828
>if you like one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the world you're just fetishizing the past
You're a disgusting person

>>13348780
Mein Kampf

>>13349192
>Have sex
You first.

>>13348963
>another brilliant post by the barren butterfly
audibly laughed

>>13350836
>Cultural marxism
>>13350850
If you cared about religion or Notre Dame you would know not to idolize its material form. You would be receptive to change but you're not and you dont because you're a spawn of satan who cannot affirm the beauty of God's creation in its wholeness. You only care about your narrow and limited definition of beauty. You dont care about notre dame you care about imposing your will on other men.

>>13350885
You know nothing about God you pray to progress and change

>>13350885
Absolute pseud post right here.

>ou dont care about notre dame you care about imposing your will on other men.
What does that even mean? you're just posting a word salad hoping to sound smart.

>>13348975
Absolutely disgusting. Not even being ironic.

>>13350885
Not either of them but it's not ugly just because it's different. It's ugly because it clashes directly with the aesthetic of the rest of the building.

Letting in more light is a good idea and it'd be nice to add something new rather than just redoing the roof the way it was before but just plopping something modern right on top of a Gothic, especially one that iconic, is retarded.

>>13351096
*Gothic church

>>13348878
>>13348861
sounds like modernism

>>13350846

>Most buildings made by Le Corbusier or Mies are an eyesore and unlivable/unusable, but there's SO much to learn from them it's actually insane.

such as? Give specific examples.

>>13348975
>>13348780
looks pretty good

>>13350846
this looks fucking amazing, though

>>13351219
desu Modernist architecture was an interesting experiment that should have been tested before hand in a few cities instead of applying it on mass before a few decades had passed to observe the effects it would have on society

>>13350846
>but there's SO much to learn from them it's actually insane.
How would one go about doing that?

>>13351281
Le Corbusier was a master in promoting suicide. Seriously the 'unit' in Marseilles is where people went to kill themselves from all over the city. That's a much better bizarro psychological experiment than whatever happens in meme academia departments.

>>13351096
Gothic already leaves enough light. It was one of the motives for its rapid domination over the previous styles like romanesque or pisan.
Letting more light in would lower the value of the whole interior.

>>13348780
From Bauhaus to Our House by Tom Wolfe

>>13348780
I do not know of books but i believe this documentary would be of relevance in understanding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc

>>13349101
It does unless you're a traditionalist larper who only enjoys architecture built by slave labour

>>13350885
Infinitely based

>>13348916
>make you think
If a dumb looking building makes you """"""""""think"""""""""" you are a sub 50 iq nigger.

>>13349158
You are an objectively inferior being.

>>13351219
>>13351281
Mies for example added a 4th dimension to architecture (time) by thinking about his buildings as successions of spaces, instead of a series of independent boxes. He breaks with the room as having 4 walls, a roof and a floor and everything instead is interconnected and spaces flow from one another. Look up his 1931 berlin exhibition house for a clear look on this.
Or you could read Le Corbusier's modulor and his insane search for a human scale on architecture using math. Or look up his use of light and the symbolism in Saint Pierre.
Fuck there's a whole book about modernist architecture I have as a pdf but it's in spanish sadly.

>>13348780
i forgot the name but its form Michael E Jones

>>13348780
Neon Genesis Evangelion

>>13348780
>Avenue Road
Postmodern Trash

TRIANGLE LEAVE MY BUILDING ALONE MAN.
Triangle is bullying my brickstone building, what the fuck man.

The crystal exists to ass-blast autists

>>13352778
It's called Living Machines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPteFX_xuUU

>>13348780
a computer repair manual because your video card is overheating.

>>13348975
>giant triangular grid in front of old building
For what purpose?

>>13348975
That's great, actually

>>13348878
Holy shit shut the fuck up you pretentious cocksucking moron

>>13349115
Im gonna fuck you in the mouth

>>13355097
oh please do

>>13348861
Salesmanship, pandering. Most of their buildings are picked by executives who want something conspicuous for the sake of conspicuousness (and for the association to an architect already famous for having an extremely easy to recognize style) regardless of what organization they're promoting by selecting them. The modernists had other criteria, at best a synthesis of the aesthetic and pragmatic that combined the best of both. Examples of those usually must be experienced in-person to appreciate how good they are despite how little impact they make in pictures, and were seldom built on the cheap like the endless bad knock-offs of them.

>>13350846
This, for the most part. Though even the best of the modernists were guilty of buildings bad enough to prompt their owners to neglect them, they did invent a vocabulary for building with steel that is suited more to poetry than to farce.

>>13349510
That isn't the same style

>>13349510

My diary desu

>>13354564
>literature board
>posts a podcast
already bad
>listen to it, 1 minute in
>the term "dispenser of redpills" is used
oh no no no no

>>13355912
update
>4 minutes in
>Schoenberg was a jew who got cucked and decided to create atonal degenerate music as a revenge against western music and civilization
holy shit this is insane. I may listen to all of this now.

>>13351110
It's literally called deconstructivism, per Derrida.

>>13348780
i walk past this almost every single day and i've never thought much about it desu

Canada has the ugliest architecture in the Western World, bar none. I suppose Australia may similar or worse for I know (given their similar origins) but I never encountered architecture so ugly and widespread outside of Canada. I understand these architectural trends can be found throughout the world (indeed, this is literally one of the main aspects of architectural modernism), but Canada's bar for beauty is so low that its cities are prolific displays of ugliness.
4chan's hatred of Canada is funny and unironically warranted. Self satisfied Canadians have gone far too long being smug about living is such shitholes. If Canada disappeared of the map almost nothing of value would be lost.

>>13356081
but anon, I am writing a novel and I live here. Just give me a chance

>>13348780
Doctor Strange: The Movie

>>13356081
>he hasn't seen Belgian houses

There is a brutalist structure in the same area. I think they are adding a big glass structure to it

>>13357247
This is very well implemented for a brutalist design. Actually kind of like this

Modern architecture is egotistical. It seeks to stand out in the way a painting stands out from a gallery wall. Though architecture is just as much an art, treating it like we treat other forms of art leads to creations that are inhuman, meant to be looked at, not experienced. They belong more in a photograph or idea than in real life. This novelty factor is the only thing these "cerebral" styles have to offer.
The qualities that draw people to the old styles is more than pure nostalgia as it's opponents snobbishly claim. Old architecture was manually designed with less planning, and the resulting spaces it created were human-sized, unmonotonous and diverse/distinctive.

>>13348915
>a tranny jew from Canada
Good lord.

>>13357277
no it's not. it's so ugly as part of our frosh week we make names to make fun of that turkey mess

>>13355963
I see but even then things like individualism, aggrandising themselves, or harming the style of the vicinity has a rather modern spirit. Think of, say, contextual architecture, or that postmodernism is a current that in some ways goes counter to modernism, such that it doesn't embrace the modernist arrogance that privileges some aspects of the system

Jameson's Postmodernism

>>13348780
> OLD GOOD NEW BAD
Do you really need a book to explain this?

>>13348780
"dude....what if art could be like ugly and meaningless??? what if meaning and beauty are oppressive?? holy FUCK im so smart and original"
it's virtue signalling to Duchamp seemingly with zero innovation+a physical projection of neurotic minds full of insecurity (I need to offend normies and my dad to get in the kool kids klub).

>>13348780
>>13349018
This shit isn't that bad as long as it's coherent, as long as the city as a unit is coherent. Consistency is a start but not the end. I often think the suburbia around me is disgusting because each house is different, each has a large fence around it, and all of the materials and styles are meaningless/disconnected from themselves, other houses, and the environment around them. These childish metal boxes are not ideal but they could work if done properly.

>>13357247
it just needs a thinkpad logo

https://youtu.be/f6JjmSAiwsI - Jonathan Meades is always good on architecture. Definitely read his "Museum Without Walls".

Owen Hatherley also is interested in what he calls the "new ruins" of Blair era Great Britain

>>13357786
this is your brain on itself

>>13355963
It has nothing to do with Derrida

nobody ever discusses the interior

>>13348780
This thread has been screaming the whole time for someone who /pol/s it to death. A wonder, it hasn't happened yet.

>>13357247
it looks like it smells of mildew

>>13348873
+1

>>13357247
This library is on the University of Toronto campus and it is sometimes called Fort Book. It is also compared, from this angle, to a turkey. The head/breast area is the rare book section.

I think it and the Royal Ontario Museum (OP's picture) are some of the ugliest buildings in the city.

>>13358920
90% of the authors posted are politically right-wing conservatives already. It's pretty much /pol/ without the jew element.

>>13348780
Suicide of the West by James Burnham
Suicide of the West by Jonah Goldberg (boomer-tier)
The Death of the West by Buchanan (based boomer-tier)
The Strange Death of the West by Douglas Murray
Coming Apart by Charles Murray
Is the Common Man too Common? By Krutch (not sure of the author name, but a good quick read on how democracies democratize art)
Civilization by Niall Feguson (pretty good, kinda memes the whole "China will take over" a bit much, making it age poorly)
The Decline of the West by Spengler (the o.g.)
From Dawn to Decadence by Barzun (my favorite, have not even read the whole thing)

>>13349175
Based. Relativism is the squishy of the mediocre.

>>13348861
>counts

I live there and I like the way it looks, especially from the inside

You guys are a bunch of regressive losers. The ROM building looks like any number of early 20th century U of T buildings that are immediately adjacent to it. The Lee-Chin crystal gives it character and has utility on the inside as well

>>13348780

>>13359824
>son

>>13358028
You're kind of right, but wouldn't you say this heterogeneity is a by product of the temporal nature of urban development and the multiplicity of the powers involved in it? No city was ever a coherent whole, it has always multiple forces acting through it, leaving their different marks. And those marks accumulate and overlap through time in the fabric of the city.
Look at the historic center of Rome nothing is more incoherent than that but I bet most of the people finding this kind of architecture ugly would find Rome beautiful (which it is but too crowded by tourists)
The real issue here is passeism and denial, rejection of anything new. To be perfectly fair I'll add this :

Rethink the whole decor or be forever haunted by the specter of the separation between art and decor : the decorative.
Beautiful pieces of architecture, witnesses of a superior degree of organic conscience, change into decorative elements by their isolated status - beautiful singularities sunk into an environment which is not in unison.
The environmental decor is made as a memory testifying the eternal divorce between the ideal of an integral ornament confined to a few avant-garde buildings and the anarchy of the city which vows those to be, at best, elements of the city decor with no rationality other than its own history. The decorative becomes the anticipation of what should have been the decor if it had resulted from a general drafting. The avant-garde is always conjugated in a past tense of the future.

>>13350885
Look at this degenerate atheist trying to teach others about their religion.