/lit/ - Literature

>>13331511
He hasn't appeared yet. The whole point is to strive towards it. You are a lastman.

When you are physically and psychologically strong enough to smash the current power structures and form your own morality code without getting arrested

>>13331511
If you care about whether you fit Nietzsches definition of an ubermensch, you are not one.

>>13331516
>He hasn't appeared yet.
I'm right here. never read his shlock btw.

>>13331511
LOL if you have to ask...
Seriously, man is a bridge, when the Superman appears we will all know about it.

Are you delusional or not
Or
Read crime and punishment

>you'll never be the ubermensch and have a qt gf

>>13331511
Anyone who browses 4chinz is a subman.

>>13331720
Not with ambitions like this.
>lmao I wish I was a literal god
>What would you do with that kind of power?
>I dunno I guess I would fuck lots of grills lol
This is why you will never be an ubermensch.

>>13331511
Wat does a bitch know about Nietzsche

>>13331511
I don't think it's actually possible to be a superman, you're always beholden to the limits your society has taught or allows u to go

You know it by whether you are able to fly, hold up large vehicles with your own hands, use x-ray vision and shoot laser beams out of your eyes. It's quite obvious really, not sure why people are giving vague responses in this thread.

reminder that kreuk was one of main recruiters for raniere's sex cult and did not suffer consequences

You need to be at least 18 to post here.

>>13331737
This but unironically.

>>13331511
If you have to wonder then you are a Superman. Nietzsche said it in the Gay Evil. Now jump out of your window.

>>13331865
Wait what? Story?

>>13331952
kreuk recruited mack into the nxivm cult then gtfo in 2010 and now everybody pretends nothing ever happened

>>13331971
>Kreuk
>Mack
>Raniere
>NXIVM
Completely out of the loop, I haven't heard about any of this

>>13332003
It was quite the weird story. Basically /x/ shizoid paranoia confirmed about cult celebrity behavior

what Movie is this?

>>13331511
What Movie is this?

>>13331516
the last man hasn't appeared yet either

>>13332183
>>13332189
It's from the tv series Smallville

>>13331511
It has nothing to do with any biological or physical trait. And it certainly has nothing to do about race.

It has to do with your beliefs and values. Essentially the superman "lives by their own religion" overcome the any belief in an afterlife, and live by and enforce one's values with a spirit of self-confidence and nobility. Similar to how Zarathustra, the legendary founder of monotheism is.

Also the term superman is more of a mistranslation. More accurate would be superhuman, because it's about transcending the concept of humanity, itself not the concept of manhood in specific.

>>13332236
>Essentially the superman "lives by their own religion" overcome the any belief in an afterlife,
Too bad I stroked up this otherwise good post.

Also the concept of the superhuman clashes with the concept of the Last Man. Wretched nihilists who are sort of like some of the people who browse this site, who are too cowardly or animalistic to fight for their values from within and have it be their world. Instead they retreat into slave morality, apathy and resentment.

Nietzsche saw a process in western civilization that would lead it to this point which in large part captures the contemporary cultural Zeitgeist.

Although Nietzsche's philosophy does point out the existence of natural inequalities, it has nothing to do with biological difference per se. It does have a difference in some innate source of power, motive capability, self-assertion. So this notion of a "will to power" is what is supposed to set superhumans apart from last humans.

>>13331511
It's pretty easy - just ask yourself: has your planet burned down and are you afraid of kryptonite?

>>13332208
>the last man hasn't appeared yet either

You misunderstood the text. The Superman isn't someone who is suddenly born into the world, but a concept that man works towards continuously till humanity is to the superman as the ape is the ape is to humanity.

So here I am, doing everything I can
Holding on to what I am
Pretending I'm a superman

>>13331751
whatever she read about him on instagram

>>13333661
That's actually contradictory

>>13331511
The overman possesses the highest perspective among all human perspectives. He has understood more about more human perspectives than any other human.

nump

>>13333889
but perspective is just a fancy word for opinion and opinions are worthless

Kill an old jewish money lender and her sister with an axe

>>13331720
>tfw i will be

feels GLORIOUS

>>13333651
>humanity is to the superman as the ape is the ape is to humanity
sounds lonely

>>13331523
this

>>13331511
if you have to ask you're a man

alternatively, these
>>13331517
>>13331523

>>13331770
The irony of this joke is that might be easier to achieve than becoming Nietzsche's Overman.

>>13331865
>>13331952
>>13331971
Nah she left early before the shenanigans started. Mack was the true recruiter.

>>13331746
Nice incel cope

>>13331511
That webm hurt me
Whats the movie called?

>>13331511
The Ubermensch is a hyperbolic humanist delusion. I don’t know why people can’t see through this shit. Nietzche is a turbo secular humanist which is why secular humanists like him.

>>13335382
>>13332217

One cannot be the overman, except for short durations, such as when the shepherd bit off the viper's head. The overman is not a being, he is a becoming, an overcoming. He is the great noontide. The overman is one who drinks the flames that from himself emanate.

>>13333651
I disagree that the superman is meant to be a progressive concept. Supermen come and supermen go. The Superman is defined by a superior exercise of will to that of the herd. The Superman is defined by his distinction from the herd. The Superman is who lives their own life with its own particularities to its fullest potential, to its highest expression of the Will To Power.

I'm sure there are many apes exercising their Will To Power better than the average human being, despite the biological process.

>>13335446
>I don’t know why people can’t see through this shit.

Who says we don't see it for what it is? Secular humanism is a good ideology to follow.

Just because your alt-right Youtubers told you to become a Christian doesn't mean the whole philosophical community did as well.

>>13331511
the usual answer given to this is that you'll know a superman if you see one, so if you have to ask the answer is no

>>13331511
Have sex and you'll become a Superman.

>>13335754
Just did. I'm still a loser. Will report if anything changes during the day.

>>13335367
>the shenanigans

raniere was doing this way before kreuk came into the picture, and kreuk was the one who recruited mack

>>13333889
Not true.

I mean, if you have to ask.

>>13335446
How is it any different from other philosophical delusions? Anything you can't prove via the scientific method is a delusion on the level of religion
"People ought to believe my version of the truth because I believe I'm right, and if you can't see what I see you're a fool end of discussion"

It's all smoke and mirrors

can you relate to the emperor of mankind?

if not, then no.

>>13331511
It's quite easy. You pick up an axe, go up to the shitty pensioner living in the commieblock a few blocks down, and you knock the bitch out for good.
Now, if you don't have any of these, then you are probably a sissy wecterner who has no soul so it doesn't matter.

>>13331511
Great scene. Americans btfo N every day by being oblivious buffoons that find succes and happiness without ever having read a philosophy book.

Can you read Thus Spake Zarathustra without reading his other works? I'd rather not read them.

>>13333446
>this is literally me
bros................

>>13336229
you dont have to read his other books, but you will need to read a lot of the philosophy that came before him to come out of it with more than 'meaningful quotes'

>>13333661
heyyy i got that reference

>>13334675
No it isn't. Perspective is the basis for all intepretation, which is what all thought is.

>>13335972
How can he be above man then?

>>13333446
dear god holy fucking christ
he's coming

Is superman more animal than human?

>>13336291
He's more animal AND more human than human. He's freer than human.

>>13336338
But how he cant put such different things in a harmony?

>>13336346
He does. He harmonizes through understanding.

>>13336350
What does he understand that we cant?

>>13336359
What does the human understand that a dog can't?

>>13336367
So in the end we're just merely fertilizer. How did Nietzsche make peace with this fact?

>>13336259
bonus points for you

>>13336377
By training the dogs to be loyal, making them lovable creatures and justifying your existence as master.

>>13331516
Talk about yourself, Mr. Last man. The rest of us are all Übermensch here, on /lit/

>>13336392
I dont get it

>>13336405
us on /lit/ are definitely the last man, books and this place are apart of our constant seeking of comfort. maybe we walk in smarter circles but it makes no difference.

>>13336415
By "your" I meant the superman. Nietzsche wished to secure the existence of mediocrity, because it is necessary so that the aristocracy can be distinguished by it. This is different from intentionally dwarfing others so that you can lord yourself over them; his conception of mastery and slavery was a lot more destiny-driven. A master is master by his nature, and is not at liberty to play second fiddle, likewise for the slave and being a leader.

>>13336429
That strangely reminds me of caste system - you're either slave or master.

>>13333446
People have never been more individual, and society has never been more creative. People are taught to embrace their own identity and the internet allows anyone to be creative with their talents, allowing a flood of music and art.
Humanity diverged away from the last man.
Nietzsche wrong once again.

>>13336451
>Nietzsche wrong once again.
Even though much of what has made more independent individuals in the world is a remodeling of civilization based on things Nietzsche said, either on his own ideas or on things that would eventually come true? Also, there are more independent individuals, but they don't understand what the overman understands.

>>13336451
>society has never been more creative
As in right now?

>>13335711
You don’t have to be a Christian to dislike Secular Humanism. John Gray, for example, is an atheist who thinks it’s a hangover from Christianity, retaining only its worst bits. Nietzche’s glorification of the Will is, in his view, a hard cope.

>>13336491
Yes

>>13336451
>and society has never been more creative.
this is false, nothing as changed since the greeks

Do you care about anything, including your own death? If the answer is yes, you're not superman.

>So will you not cease loving the flesh and being afraid of sufferings? Or do you not know that you have yet to be abused and to be accused unjustly; and have yet to be shut up in prison, and condemned unlawfully, and crucified <without> reason, and buried as I myself, by the evil one? Do you dare to spare the flesh, you for whom the Spirit is an encircling wall? If you consider how long the world existed <before> you, and how long it will exist after you, you will find that your life is one single day, and your sufferings one single hour. For the good will not enter into the world. Scorn death, therefore, and take thought for life! Remember my cross and my death, and you will live!"

>>13336669
But only animals dont care about about death.

>>13336639
>he says using the internet

>>13337313
If you’re an atheist, it’s a mistake to think there’s a category difference between humans and animals.
The relevant question for atheists who actually want to think about their beliefs is not “does God exist?”, but “does Humanity exist?”. Failure to ask this question means you’re not looking for freedom of thought, but freedom from it.

Is there a certain reading order or just read his books chronologically?

>>13336405
The fact that you refer to yourself as the Übermensch reveals all

>buying into any other men's ideas
>superman

Choose one

>>13336451
People are superficially individualistic, and the fact that some people identify with/latch onto newly formed cultural microcosms like the ones you see on the internet could be taken equally as proof to the idea that many people are culturally and creatively bankrupt.
I've come to the point that I think anyone who is continually extolling mankind's current state of creativity/freedom/individualism is either someone trying to subtly extinguish those things according to their views, or is an unwitting mouthpiece of the people who do.

>>13338316
>everyone is up to their eyeballs in debt and struggling to get by like me

>>13338334
>projecting this hard
>someone disagrees with me so I have to imply they're poor
If you're as neurotically focused on consumption--both as an activity, or a way of defining oneself--as you seem to be, you are exactly the sort of person I'm talking about.

>>13338395
>If you're as neurotically focused on consumption--both as an activity, or a way of defining oneself--as you seem to be, you are exactly the sort of person I'm talking about.
Nah, I'm just not so damn clueless as to think that there's a shortage of individualistic men out there today.

>>13331511
Your not.
t.superman

>>13331535
We will all know about it and will collectively hunt him down. I feel deep sorrow for he who is become the Übermensch

>>13336451
if this isn't bait you absolutely need to kill yourself

>>13331511
i'm not man or superman.
i'm the dubsman.
look at them.

>>13338946
You might just be another failman, but behold me, the Tripsman.

>>13338943
What if you told someone to kys and then they actually did it...?

>>13338963
Not him, but in my opinion, the world would be better off.

>>13336274
Read Nietzsche to find out, specifically Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

>>13338174
It's best to start with the Genealogy of Morals

>>13336405
based

>>13336451
But that individuation isn't sincere and is oft times in service of capital. I think Nietzsche still stands correct.

>>13336451
>People are taught to embrace their own identity and the internet allows anyone to be creative with their talents
No you're encouraged to conform to one of many groups or live and die alone. You dumb nigger cattle.

welling peaked early in sheer beauty in smallville

I am the only one in this thread who has read Nietzsche. Time to get off this board.

>>13331511
>he took Nietzshit seriously
Oh no no no no no no

>>13338952
Behold, the arrival of QUAD MAN

>>13332003
basically /pol/ was right.... again...

>>13339285
Dumbass.

>>13335965
Yes but kreul left when she understood how crazy the whole thing was, mack stayed and become complicit.

>>13336138
If anything that would be a vindication of Nietzsche's contempt for most Western philosophy.

>>13336138
>find succes and happiness without ever having read...
There is literally nothing wrong with this.

>>13339294
Why?

>>13339611
I don't recognize you Quad Man, it feels like you're just half the man you used to be.

>>13339870
fuck you wikipedia faggot
go do the fucking reading before you spout your horseshit

>>13340318
It's quite brief and it covers a broad area of his philosophy.

>>13340466
It seems you've found me out, brother.

>>13340574
Nice strawman. Cry more with your idiotic assumptions; they show that you don't have any more than an academic understanding of N. Thought is the process of realigning the world in your image, the philosopher is part of will to power as much as any. The overman, too: and he is, like N, the greatest critic, for his perspective has grown more than all others.

>13331746

>>13331720
>ubermensch
He doesnt need gf

>>13338963
i'd feel influential

>>13341374
>Nice strawman
Wrong, faggot.
>your idiotic assumptions
none were made
>the philosopher is part of will to power
the philosopher is an aesetic, Nietzsche admitted this in the GoM
>Thought is the process of realigning the world in your image
Wrong.

You haven't read Nietzsche, you fucking faggot. Kill yourself

>>13345286
People who pretend to read things like you hurt this board.

>>13345326
go back to plebbit newfag

>>13336405
correct answer

>>13331737
Cant argue with this. If you are on the internet like some neet you are probably not an ubermench.