/lit/ - Literature

It's not a serious philosophy. More self help-ish. I enjoy some of their books, but Neoplatonism and Middle Platonism are way better.

>>13285380
>dude don't care about anything lmao
That's not stoicism though, but you know that

What's a book that will help me understand women specifically modern women and what they want.

>>13285380
you're supposed to care about your own dispositions and will towards virtue

>>13285384
it's a philosophy that is genuinely applicable and used by tons of men living in stress like soldiers, and laid the basis for Cognitive Behavior Therapy.
Platonism is used by pretentious pseuds in academia, primarily.

>>13285454
>it's a philosophy that is genuinely applicable
Yeah, that's why it's not a serious philosophy. It's a self help method meant for application for psychological stress.

>make toxic masculinity into a philosophy
What the hell were the stoics smoking?

brainlet take from some moron who couldn't even bother to read before making a shitty thread. At no point does Stoicism claim life is meaningless
>>>/trash/

I've noticed that the only people who don't follow stoicism are women and trannies

>>13285482
It doesn't have to claim that life is meaningless. Its attitude, resigning yourself to fate, is nihilistic.

>>13285454
>it's good for brainwashing soldiers into killing machines
Is that honestly your best defense of stoicism?

>>13285499
>resigning yourself to fate
Show me a single piece of stoic writing where this is implied

>>13285528
>Remember that you are an actor in a drama, of such a kind as the author pleases to make it. If short, of a short one; if long, of a long one. If it is his pleasure you should act a poor man, a cripple, a governor, or a private person, see that you act it naturally. For this is your business, to act well the character assigned you; to choose it is another’s.
Literally Slave Morality.

>>13285551
It's called amor fati, but it is clear that you haven't read Nietzsche.

>>13285380
Nah. It's useless to worry or to be angry about things you can't control. For example, where you were born, how well off your family is, what your race is, etc. You have no control over this, so stop worrying about these things and focus on that which you have control over.

>>13285380
ill put as little thought into my comment as anon. this is my comment here it comes: no!

>>13285551
"When a man enters the foot-race," says Chrysippus with his usual aptness, "it is his duty to put forth all his strength and strive with all his might to win; but he ought never with his foot to trip, or with his hand to foul a competitor. Thus in the stadium of life, it is not unfair for anyone to seek to obtain what is needful for his own advantage, but he has no right to wrest it from his neighbour."

>>13285432
Twilight

>>13285463
philosophy that isn't applicable to life is mental masturbation and not philosophy

>>13285509
>fighting and hardship aren't ever present to the human condition
this is how i know you're sheltered

>>13285528
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amor_fati#Concept

>>13285551
Nietzche died crying and consoling a horse, Stoics died of laughter, and accomplished far more

>>13285432
Watch Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan

>>13285380
Ermm no

>>13285604
>Nietzche died crying and consoling a horse
Nietzsche died of an illness, and the horse story is entirely made up and is based on a scene from Crime and Punishment.

>>13285604
Amor fati is not resigning to your fate in the way anon above implied. He meant that stoics passively accept whatever happens to them without trying to better their situation, which is wrong.

>>13285621
oh i agree, i meant not to imply otherwise

>>13285380
Stoicism was literally started by a guy who couldn't handle being a Cynic after some soup or spilled onto his leg lmao
>From the day Zeno became Crates’ pupil, he showed a strong bent for philosophy, though with too much native modesty to assimilate Cynic shamelessness. Hence Crates, desirous of curing this defect in him, gave him a potful of lentil-soup to carry through the Ceramicus; and when he saw that Zeno was ashamed and tried to keep it out of sight, Crates broke the pot with a blow of his staff. As Zeno began to run off in embarrassment with the lentil-soup flowing down his legs, Crates chided, "Why run away, my little Phoenician? Nothing terrible has befallen you."[9]

>>13285785
Hahaha, I swear stoics are the most autistic hellenistic philosophers.

>>13285380
>we are all mortal lmao
>things are temporary lmao
>don't let things get to you lmao

>>13285884
Definitely the most cringe

>>13285432
Otto Weininger - The sex and character

>>13285604
>philosophy that isn't applicable to life is mental masturbation and not philosophy
If you need a philosophy in order to do something as basic as deal with life then you just don’t have your shit together and/or suffer from psychological issues. Real philosophy is for people who already have their life in order and have healthy minds. Thus they can afford the luxury of contemplating eternal truths. That’s why stoicism isn’t a real philosophy, it’s just a system for “coping”. Once you get your shit together, only then can you seriously consider engaging with philosophy.

>>13286506
Lmao as if the majority of major philosophers didnt have psychological issues

>>13285380
Who's this fag going around not understanding what nihilism is, or anything else for that matter?

>>13285380
What a fucking moron. Anyone can tell you've never read a word of Stoicism

Senca literally says that reason is the essence of man

>>13286522
The Platonists were solid tho

>>13286527
I've read Epictetus and it's just a coping strategy, life denial and fatalism. An ideology for midwits. Aurelius is at least virtuous enough to admit being a midwit.

>>13286553
>coping strategy,
That's the point of philosophy, to answer the question "how should I live?"

>>13286506
>If you need a philosophy in order to do something as basic as deal with life then you just don’t have your shit together and/or suffer from psychological issues.
this is blatantly untrue, judging by the vast majority of people today

you yourself either live a life of sheltered luxury or are the exception.

>>13286553
>life denial and fatalism
you clearly don't understand the applicability of a life of courage

it's nonstop life embracing, it was Stoicism that got me to unfuck myself and start being adventurous and get a gf

>>13286506

>>13286553
Your whole life is a fucking cope anon, sorry.

>>13285454
>about your own dispositions and will towards virtue
And your own death. Nothing in life is more serious in Stoicism than the fact you yourself will die, and should be prepared for it at any time, and live in a way that is deeply aware of that fact.

im really tired of these retards and their dogshit 1st year opinions clogging up this board