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>> No.13284872

>>13284862
I’m a low IQ literal autist that can barely talk to people nor do I want to communicate with them because it always ends up cringe or badly so no

>> No.13284883

>>13284862
schopenhauer was a highly compassionate desu, his only frustration with humanity was for the suffering they inflict upon themselves, each other and animals.

>> No.13284884

Misanthropy is virtually always a consequence of not being able to get laid and/or being ugly (of course, the two often times go hand in hand).

>> No.13284900

>>13284862
No

>> No.13284903

>>13284884
I have a gf and have had many before and am considered attractive. Stop projecting you faggot

>> No.13284910

>>13284884
riding the cunt caroussel makes you more misentrop tbqh

>> No.13284926

>>13284910
this

>> No.13284931

No, it is the burden of arrogance

>> No.13284935

What's it called when you only hate 90% of non-whites and trannies

>> No.13284948 [DELETED] 

>>13284935
Common sense

>> No.13284968
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13284968

>>13284883
This. Schopenhauer was not a sadist the way Marquis de Sade was. To make this point, Schopenhauer would look at this image with great grief and encourage compassion and ascetism instead. However, Maquis de Sade would jerk off to this image and say he wants more.

I, myself, am more like a dualistic Schopenhauer. I am not really a monist, but I do agree with the ascetic and even antinatalist sensibilities of Schopenhauer.

>> No.13284982

>>13284872
Same

>> No.13285007

>>13284931
>tripfag
>accusing others of arrogance
we have a popular buzzword for this
also filtered.

>> No.13285012

No, it’s that losers who have a completely unjustified sense of intellectual superiority cherrypick examples of intelligent loners as a form of cope

>> No.13285018

>>13284862
Thats for brainlets. If you were truly smart you'd care for dumb people. You wouldn't give handouts but you should prepare them for life or even guide them through the right choices, like you would do with dogs.

>> No.13285181

>>13284968
I consider Schopenhauer's take on compassion (affectivity) to be wrong. I mostly agree with Kant, in the sense that ethical behaviour is either wrong or right only on an individual level, although I do not agree with the categorical imperative. The human-to-human relation does not matter in regards to ethics.
>Schopenhauer would look at this image with great grief and encourage compassion and ascetism instead.
Asceticism is a last resort, it would be wiser to remain in society because you can still have an effect on ignorant people.
The (possible) problem with asceticism is that it is mostly filled with either ritual or religious dogma, which may or may not be what you want. I highly encourage everyone to watch the 'Athos Feature Documentary' (you can find it on youtube). You may observe there why I consider you must be a believer (in an absolutely mystic sense) in the dogma in order to 'endure' the rituals. Either way, you may also the observe honest people and people with no pride or futile modern aspirations. Simplicity and self-sufficiency.
Meanwhile armies kill and/or rape civilians on foreign land, people rob each other for a few pieces of paper, the air, the water and the soil gets more polluted by the seconds and sickness continues to grow. Working hours of the common man are comparable with a slave's while the working class gets more and more suppressed by machinery designed to maximize quantity and disregard quality. The disgusting word 'profit' reigns supreme.

>> No.13285197

>>13285018
you can be averse to mankind and still help it, no one better than you know its problems

>> No.13285205

>>13285181
you can be an ascetic and remain in society and help others. plenty of monastic orders and saints have done so.

>> No.13285227

>>13285205
Yes, I was strictly referring to forms of asceticism that take you outside of society, although I think that the farther away from the aspirations of society, the easier it is to become good; of course, that would be at the expense of helping others.

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>>13285181
I think a lot of things come down to preferences and one's own goals. However, unlike Schopenhauer, I believe the thing-in-itself (noumenon) to be fundamentally a dualistic struggle.

My own particular mystical views are inspired by both Zarathustra's Gathas and various Buddhist sutras.

My view is that one should heavily immerse his mind in both artwork of light + darkness and to choose the former. However, it is necessary to know both deeply. Artwork of spenta expresses the light of generosity, wisdom, loving-kindness, and other positive qualities, which emanates from Ahura Mazda in the higher realms. Artwork of angra expresses the darkness of greed, hatred, delusion, and other negative qualities, which emanates from Ahriman in the lower realms. They are in continuous struggle.

>> No.13285376

>>13285247
Regarding the dualism, I disagree. I think that the main dichotomy, good-evil, and all that stem from it, are only apparent and have no metaphysical existence, in the sense that I believe evil to be only the absence of what could be named 'good', not a thing in itself. The empirical world is 'founded' on this appearance, but the ideal world is not, and so the higher beings do not know of such things as evil, sin, ignorance etc.
I also don't believe in either omniscience, omnipotence or omnipresence. I believe in reincarnation to the point where you 'pass the line' and achieve the higher existence; from there, an absolutely new form of being is born, form which I find difficult to speculate on.

>> No.13285394

>>13285376
>the higher beings do not know of such things as evil, sin, ignorance etc.
However, wouldn't you likewise agree the lower beings do not know of such things as goodness, charity, wisdom etc.?
>I also don't believe in either omniscience, omnipotence or omnipresence. I
I agree.
>I believe in reincarnation to the point where you 'pass the line' and achieve the higher existence
But depending on the individual, wouldn't some "pass the line" and drop to a lower existence?

>> No.13285428

>>13284884
thinking getting laid by itself will make you happy is a massive cope. An ugly person, might not suffer in the way an attractive person would, but both can still be miserable.
Pain from a bullet is not the same pain from losing a loved one but both create pain and suffering for different reasons.

quit competing in the pain Olympics.

>> No.13285671

I simply don’t enjoy being around other people. If I have to be in a public setting, I dread it. If someone attempts to make my acquaintance and then wants to further contact or talk outside of a professional setting, I am begrudging at best. It has nothing to do with arrogance, you’ll just find that other people’s company is not exciting nor pleasant or entertaining.

>> No.13285694

>>13284862
no. attempting or not attempting to approach life with benevolence and optimism has everything to do with how much effort you put into it.

>> No.13285724

>>13285428
This so much. I've spent the last couple of years thinking that all I was missing was love. Recently I started having love (and sex) and still feel as miserable as before. It's easy to blame all your troubles and hardships on a single factor but believe me, when you come to realize there's more to it you'll be even more devastated and feel directionless. Better put your effort on what makes you happy and doesn't depend on external validation.

>> No.13285745

>>13284862
It's an extension of self-loathing.

>> No.13285769

My breakfast is straight out the medicine cabinet
a remedy for the aftermath of my habits
sometimes it's the ones who try to help
that hurt the most

I feel like we're playing tug of war and i'm the rope
and i'm stretched to the limit but you keep on pulling it
i'm gonna lose my god damned mind
i'm gonna lose my mind

I wanna hide away in the back of a cave
in the top of a mountain
where no one can hear me
and no one can see me
so i don't have to deal with them
and they don't have to deal with me

cause relationships are overrated
maybe i'm just tired and jaded
but i'm sorry i just like myself
more than i like you

so call me anti-social
call it masturbation
either way it's a solo operation
i'm just far more comfortable alone

it feels like apathy
has gotten the best of me
because i'm so tired of you talking my ear off
about all your problems i just can't fix
i don't appreciate
unwanted company
your constant chatter reminds me
why i'd rather you leave me be
so call me anti-social
call it masturbation
either way it's a solo operation
i'm just far more comfortable alone

because people are ugly and people are hateful
destructive and greedy we're proud and ungrateful
the world would be so much better off without us

so swallow a bullet
or a handful of pills
we're all compost in training
there's graves left to fill
let's distract ourselves to make us feel like we're not just mistakes

it seems that everybody always has a bone to pick
or promise to break
never again will i make that mistake
of trusting anyone

this is my misanthropic confession
human beings are a waste of breath
and don't think i exclude myself
i'm an asshole just like you

because people are ugly and people are hateful
destructive and greedy we're proud and ungrateful
the world would be so much better off without us
so swallow a bullet
or a handful of pills
we're all compost in training
there's graves left to fill
let's stretch ourselves to make us feel like we're not just mistakes
stretch ourselves to make us feel like we're not just mistakes
my breakfast is straight out the medicine cabinet

>> No.13286111

>>13284862
No, I enjoy and respect normies for what they are. There are many levels on which we can still relate if expectations are realistically constrained. Perhaps some sadness at how readily they believe destructive lies, but not hate.

If I detest some people, it's because of what they've pragmatically become (my enemies) -- not simply because they're fallible humans as I am.

>> No.13286273

>>13284968
Jewish image.

>> No.13286331

>>13284884
Neither is the case for me and I am misanthropic.

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13286340

Humanity is bad, but individuals can be good.

>> No.13286368

>>13285769
daze and days or some shit

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>>13286340

>> No.13286547
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13286547

Your place on this earth is just as arbitrary and unearned as anybody else's. In this light I find it hard to judge others or their actions. That's not to say I like them (though I am generally agreeable), but that I see no reason to dislike them either.

>> No.13286565

>>13284862
Yes, it is clear from this post that you have a low IQ. The fact that you are a low-IQ misanthrope in no way proves that misanthropy is the burden of intelligence; it just means that some misanthropes have low IQs.

>> No.13286800

>>13284862
I'm dumb as a rock when it comes to anything other than literature and music, so no. it just means there's something about you that makes it difficult to communicate with others effectively. I know the only thing to blame is my own mind. I know others want the best for me, but due to my awkwardness and slowness during conversation, I can never have meaningful irl interactions.

>> No.13287023

>>13284872
from my experience I think it's a parabolic relationship where both extraordinarily retarded and intelligent individuals are more misanthropic while the normies in the middle all get along

>> No.13287204

>>13287023
yeah
if you are excluded from society be happy about it even if you can't understand, mankind is garbage and overrated

>> No.13287304

>>13284968
I like how you can visibly see how humanity peaked on the seventh row.

>> No.13287322

>>13284884
It often us, but I'm not sure about "virtually always". I've gotten laid plenty, yet most people disgust me.

>> No.13287327

>>13284884

Nice one faggot. Read Schopenhauer's biography and your "always" will fall.

>> No.13287331

Maybe misanthropy is the result of being smart enought to despise most humans but not smart enough to lord over them and just view them as animals.

>> No.13287453

If intelligence should lead you to understand the human "condition" better, then the conclusion ought surely to be one of increasing sympathy and understanding, rather than arrogance and misanthropy.

To understand society is to recognise the flaws in others as consisting of the same essential flaws in oneself. This discovery ought only to lead to love for your fellow man, not repulsion.

>> No.13287514

>>13287453
intelligence leads to discontentment with the actual state of humanity and the realization that you have little to nothing to benefit from it besides resources and protection

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>>13287453
>have flaws
>hate oneself for said flaws
>find said flaws in others
>suddenly filled with great love

>> No.13287531

>>13287453
>To understand society is to recognise the flaws in others as consisting of the same essential flaws in oneself.
youre assuming all people are the same

>> No.13287539

>>13287529
haha

>> No.13287571

>>13287529
It's a love that's borne of understanding
Why do you think Jesus, who 'knew' humanity better even than the Father, sacrificed himself for the sake of their sins? Even if you're not religious (I am not), you have to acknowledge the power in this act.

>> No.13287593

You must let yourself down to those with whom you converse; and sometimes affect ignorance: lay aside power and subtilty in common conversation; to preserve decorum and order ‘tis enough-nay, crawl on the earth, if they so desire it.

The learned often stumble at this stone; they will always be parading their pedantic science, and strew their books everywhere; they have, in these days, so filled the cabinets and ears of the ladies with them, that if they have lost the substance, they at least retain the words; so as in all discourse upon all sorts of subjects, how mean and common soever, they speak and write after a new and learned way,

“Hoc sermone pavent, hoc iram, gaudia, curas,
Hoc cuncta effundunt animi secreta; quid ultra?
Concumbunt docte;”

[“In this language do they express their fears, their anger, their
joys, their cares; in this pour out all their secrets; what more?
they lie with their lovers learnedly.”—Juvenal, vi. 189.]

and quote Plato and Aquinas in things the first man they meet could determine as well; the learning that cannot penetrate their souls hangs still upon the tongue.
(end quote)
I'm so glad I read this.

>> No.13287603

>>13287593
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.

>> No.13287633

>>13287603
>Homo
lmao

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>>13284862
no i don't think so, i think intelligence is always opposed to the frenetic and instead errs on the side of dispassion. i dont care about other people i just want to be left alone except for a few cool people and a bitch i can fuck. intelligent people only care about themselves and see others for what they are: external objects. intelligent ppl do not hyperbolize, intelligent ppl do not obsess, they don't reach out to others, don't try to formulate abstract theories because these are based on some hebephrenic aesthetic nonsense and these are in turn the result of mental illness.
and no i don't think I'm intelligent cause if i was or if i did then i wouldn't even post this, i wouldve just thought it to myself and benefited from the reflection directly. if i wanted to receive feedback and reformulate my thoughts so as to be more correct then i wouldve made a thread of my own. the only reason im posting this is because i have an unhealthy obsession with others and somewhere in my sideways mind i want to think someone will read this and in turn think something about me. i see myself in large part through others and this is my stupidity and this is the results of growing up with domestic abuse and trying to find copes for everything and trying to cope with copes with copes and coping with my copes that cope with more copes. my mind is nothing but a corkboard filled with thumb tacks that are my thoughts, my thoughts are arbitrary and only exist to validate or console other thoughts. nothing i say is true and nothing i do is truly actionable it's all just to develop some internal notion of meaning that only means anything to me because it makes me feel something. not that it makes me feel -good- but that it makes me feel anything, that is, in control. this is the result of my stupidity and the stupidity of my parents who raised me, and intelligent people are on the opposite end of the spectrum. intelligent people grew up rough and free whereas i grew up inhibited and sheltered and as a result have all sorts of extraneous thoughts and a victimized mentality and poor social skills

>> No.13288413

>>13285394
>However, wouldn't you likewise agree the lower beings do not know of such things as goodness, charity, wisdom etc.?
>But depending on the individual, wouldn't some "pass the line" and drop to a lower existence?
I don't think there is such a thing as a lower existence in which the Ideas are absent. I think that a 'drop to a lower existence' would mean the soul being retrograded into a body that is influenced more by instinct, hormones and so on (a woman/a human with low cognitive capacities/various animals etc.). But even in the case of animals, they do not represent a world whose existence could be an argument in favor of dichotomy. While 'sentience' is much lower in animals, a fact which leaves no space for rationality, they still have 'values' that often present themselves aesthetically as beauty or balance (which of course are also observed in humans). Take tigers for example - completely devoid of ethical or rational capacity - however, their 'vessel' beauty is astonishing, even though it is a much more 'empirical' beauty, rather than 'ideal' beauty. 'The Tyger' can illustrate this quite well, even though I'm not familiar with Blake's views on dichotomies. When both animals - the tiger and the lamb - are stripped of their 'empirical' base, both of them appear as superb and infinite in their beauty, but when their actual existence as life forms is taken into account, the tiger is revealed as a lesser being (not in Blake's view necessarily, perhaps only in my interpretation of the poem).

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>>13284884
Huge incel cope.

>> No.13288730

No.
It can seem like that to intelligent people, but that is them rationalizing in a backhandedly positive way an issue or set of issues that they'd rather not face.

>> No.13288868

>>13284872
start drinking

>> No.13288942

>>13284862
yes

>> No.13289309

You don't feel like you are even the same species as somebody with IQ 50 points lower than your own. The instinct to kill them or utterly disregard their existence is overwhelming.

>> No.13289345

>>13287633
okay this is epic

>> No.13289346

>>13287453
How do these assertions follow from one another?

>> No.13289350

>>13289309
I do. If someone can't comprehend idealism I view them as a subspecies of "human" not worthy of my respect or support.

>> No.13289354

>>13289350
Why?

Also why was Descartes clearly concealing his power level?

>> No.13289378

>>13289350
That's funny because I consider Idealism to be brainlet tier. You're the same species as me but you are nowhere near my power level.

>> No.13289412

>>13289378
Well, what's the endgame, then?
>>13289354
Just is. Flies over niggers and methheads' heads

>> No.13289413

>>13285724
>he thinks having sex is having love

Being a whore never got anyone anywhere and never gave anyone valuable life experiences :3

>> No.13289480

>>13289412
Realism, determinism. Idealism is the gestation period between philosophical literacy and scientific literacy. What matters more than anything in regards to ideas is, how useful is this line of reasoning?

>> No.13289506

>>13289480
Oh, I see. I'll keep hanging at the brainlet table, thanks.

>> No.13289563

>>13287023
Misanthropy is inherently retarded. You're hating something that doesn't even exist as such. You can hate your world or the world and the peoples of a certain epoch.
You can't hate something that's pure exteriority, you may hate that concrete exteriority.
Misanthropy is autism and doesn't relate to intelligence.

>> No.13289584

>>13289506
Plato's Allegory of the Cave has a theme that is all too often overlooked by idealists, that tangible is real and ideas can be deceiving.

>> No.13289605

>>13289584
And? There are several types of idealisms and I'm not versed in any really well. I still find them more interesting than empiricism/realism/whatever. And of course the tangible is observable and manipulatable or else what is science doing? I'm not into practicalities, but I understand why some people are.

>> No.13289645

>>13287023
>>13289563
maybe misantrhopy is too strong of a word since actual hatred of humanity is rare and I agree would be inherently retarded as you put it
asocial would probably be more appropriate since the people I was referring (myself included even though I wouldn't consider myself extraordinarily brilliant) I believe mostly just hate social interactions rather than the people themselves

>> No.13289743

>>13284862
No; intelligence is burdenless, because it is guided by Wisdom. In this world, Soul is burdened by sorrow, and sadness. Misanthropy is a symptom of sullenness/fixated sadness.

>> No.13289802

It’s a coping mechanism. Has anyone said it yet?

>> No.13289868

There are many nuanced feelings when people mention misanthropy when related to smart/dumb people, for example:
- loneliness (it's hard to have meaningful relations with people who don't understand/empathize with you)
- disappointment (smart people have unrealistically high expectations from normies, because they think everyone is pretty much like them)
- injustice (for example, in a democracy a dumb person's vote counts exactly the same, which IMO goes even against the intuition of dumb people, who often quietly admit that smart people should rule)

If a smart person can understand how things work he can perhaps make peace with it, but this realization by itself doesn't really bring happiness or meaning. In addition, it requires the person to develop its own moral system from scratch, which is usually a somewhat alienating process. Moral reasoning is kinda separate from analytical reasoning and it defaults to normie morality through socialization (unless you're lucky enough to have smart and wise parents/people who can see you're smarter and can guide you).

>> No.13290036

>>13289802
Aren't all behaviours ultimately coping mechanisms, butterfag?

>> No.13290046

>>13284862
Misanthropy is the burden of the worship of intelligence. It's the burden of intelligence untempered by wisdom.

>> No.13290056

Wisdom leads to happiness.
If you are unhappy, you are probably a midwit.

>> No.13290067

>>13290056
I wouldn't say it leads to happiness so much as that it leads to a contented recognition of the beauty of one's own suffering.

>> No.13290668

>>13290056
>he thinks happiness is real
oh boy

>> No.13290702

>>13285769
projection, the post

>> No.13290961

>>13288413
Doesn't both Buddhism and Hinduism have the "narakas", which is pretty much like hell?

>> No.13291014

>>13290056
>Wisdom leads to happiness.

I think my sister has a poster from IKEA with that written on it

>> No.13291545

>>13289563
we don't hate the world, we disdain it and want to get away
I don't hate lions because they are dangerous or because they don't have intelligence, but I want distance from them

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>>13284883
>schopenhauer was a highly compassionate

>> No.13291616

>>13290961
You tell me, you came up with it

>> No.13291675

>>13287023
this

however you can lower your intelligence with alcohol and drugs to get on the same level, but do you want that ?

>> No.13291794

>>13290067
Suffering is tragic, and ugly, not beautiful - Fury, realized through suffering/struggle, is beautiful. Wisdom guides toward future of transcendent Love, and happiness, through furious discontent with present, with sorrowful/burdened memory of past. Sorrow kindles Fury; Fury is purified in Love.

>> No.13291866

>>13287749
i sincerely hope things work out for you.

>> No.13292904

>>13291794
All true beauty is tragic to some extent or another. Suffering can be an ugly thing, but only if it's borne without nobility, in which case it isn't tragic, it's just grotesque.

>> No.13292961

>>13287023
What if i'm both retarded and intelligent at the same time? I took an IQ test and got subscores ranging from 83 to 134

>> No.13293106

No. If he was a good looking man, he wouldn't be such an aspie.

>> No.13293682

I don't think any of you people are very intelligent

>> No.13294836

>>13292904
>Suffering can be an ugly thing, but only if it's borne without nobility
The fact that beauty has potential to be revealed trough suffering, does not make the process of suffering beautiful, nor does it justify it. Overcoming of suffering is beautiful, not suffering itself.

>> No.13295358

>>13284872
>how do i into converses
at least you recognize your low iq

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>>13284968
Can't help but notice that women managed only to look pretty and spread their legs in 10000 years of human history. Interesting.

>> No.13297046

>>13284884
schopy wasn't ugly and had a sense of humor at the very least he could have gotten laid.

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>>13288868
I got drunk multiple times in the past months with some normie frens and it was always wonderful until the moment I woke up and became more depressed than I usually am (and also vomited on mama's couch) . But it is also cool because you have more confidence hooking up with human females no matter how horrible and awkward you've always felt. So misanthropic incels start drinking your life out and have fun until you die from alcohol intoxication, it is really worth it imho

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>>13284968
reminds me of this

>> No.13297330

>>13284862
it's the growing pains of intelligence. eventually you stop hating ants for acting out their nature.

>> No.13297334

>>13297330
schop wasn't really a pessimist imo, just a dedicated realist who accepted life's many harsh flaws

>> No.13297336

>>13284931
I can attest to this... better to dissolve arrogance in the cool fires of humility than to shoulder black boulders.

>> No.13297338

>>13284935
racism and transphobia

>> No.13297696

>>13287529
forced empathy towards inferior people just to show moral superiority is vanity

>> No.13297752

>>13284862
Could you hate a dog for tearing up a pillow? I can only see hatred for humanity as a deep misapprehension of one's own personal agency. Everyone does what they think they should, and avoids doing what they think they shouldn't, without ever formulating that should or shouldn't into words--the should or shouldn't is embedded through the experience of their lives, felt in the gut and the heart. Recognizing this and learning to shape your gut reactions is the condition for individuality.

>> No.13297771

>>13297696
empathy is merely the ability to simulate others' experience within yourself. it doesn't need to result in sympathy. it's more analogous to your senses, rather than some faculty of moral judgement.
that's why your comment doesn't make sense to me with how I understand empathy.

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