/lit/ - Literature

>>13277291
Dude lmao just walk the rest of the way haha this would mean no one ever reached their destination hahah wtf

>>13277291
There isn't really such a thing as a true paradox; these are merely abstractions in which the 'contradiction' is by design.

>>13277291
>>still no one can refute his paradoxes
His Paradox was refuted with the rise of mathematical analysis, after people have gotten a better understanding of the continuum it is now very much standard knowledge that the sum of infinitely small parts can be finite.

Just describe his "Paradox" mathematically and look at the result, turns out, there was no Paradox.

>>13277291
No one can refute russel's teapot either. Does that make him based?

>>13277291
That's the whole point, anon. It wouldn't be a paradox if you could solve it.

>>13277291
>no one can refute his paradoxes
Plenty of people did and in different plausible ways. Read books.

>>13277354
>OMG NUMBERS AND DATA PLOTTING!!!
>NOTHING WILL EVER CATCH UP!!!

>>13277605
Are you literally retarded?
The most basic Ideas of Analysis refute this "Paradox".

>>13277504
Its solved since many hundreds of years. There never was a Paradox.

>>13277291
Deleuze did in the beginning of Cinema 1.

When you break the movement into separated instants (like in the way Zeno presents his paradoxes) you lose the movement. In Zeno's stories, he presents stories without movement, but claiming it is there by confusing movement with time/a group of instants.

Movement is precisely what exists in between the instants, even if the instants are infinite.

>>13277630
Go back to /rdt/ you stem faggot.
It's not about numbers or physics.

>>13277630
Analysis proposes a solution if and only if you can prove time is a continuum. Even though relativity proposes this idea, you just can't say the same in quantum theory.

>>13277648
Yeah, physics has like nothing to do with the Universe.

You are so pathetic that you can't even admit to yourself that there is nothing smart about asking question which have satisfying answers since hundreds of years.

>>13277647
Deleuze confirmed a retard.
(As if we didn't already know.)

>LOIEK HOW CAN YA WALK FULL WAY BEFORE WALKEN HALF WAY M8 SHIT MAEK NO SENSE TO ME INNIT
Ah, yes, paradoxes, also known as language games.

>>13277664
lol a pleb

>>13277650
>Analysis proposes a solution if and only if you can prove time is a continuum.
And if it isn't a continuum the answer is obvious anyway, since there is smallest length which can't be subdivided.
Thus the solution to the Paradox is that there is, again, no Paradox. The person travels n unit lengths in the time of m unit times and there is no further subdivision possible.

>>13277656
Yikes.
Science is the god of ugliness, a metaphysical flat earth.

>>13277670
Right!

>>13277672
Randomly associating things that have nothing to do with each other just because you dislike them is not an Argument for anything, except you being a retard.

>>13277668
>OMG SCHIZOANALYSIS AND CRAZY WORDS AND MEME SCIENCE DATA
>OMGGGGGGG CAN'T CONTAIN MY THERMODYNAMICS!!!

>>13277683
>Randomly associating things
>THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN SCIENTIFIC AUTISM AND THE UGLY AS FUCK ARCHITECTURE OF THE SCIENTIFIC WORLD!!!
Are you really this retarded?

All the STEMniggers in this thread.

>>13277684
That tweet lmao

>>13277689
Mathematics is thousands of years old, it has been part of practically every Architectural phase.
It has affected everything you hate and everything you like.

But none of that is an argument.
There is no Paradox and the Greek struggle to understand the continuum only exists within people like you.

>>13277699
>STEM
>"solves Problem"
>Edgy Philosophytards
>"MATHEMATICS IS AT FAULT FOR BAD ARCHITECTURE THAT IS WHY ZENO WAS RIGHT"

>>13277703
The most stupid thing about it is that Archimedes already practiced integration back then.

>>13277719
Yes, although his Methods were somewhat different then the modern ones and his justifications were usually just intuition based, as he lacked a solid understanding of limits.

There is a book, which I am afraid is only available in German (3000 Jahre Analysis (3000 years Analysis)) which describes that quite well.

>>13277739
Yes. It wasn't calculus in the theoric sense, but he had the idea that the sum of the infinite subdivisions could converge.

>>13277754
Yes, certainly.
Zenos "Paradox" is rather Zenos "weird property of the continuum" and my guess would be that it was understood like that.

>>13277650

What are you even saying? Time is treated like a continuous parameter in quantum mechanics.

Why do you dumbasses pretend to think science is shallow but then turn around and try to flash your flaccid scientific credentials while being totally wrong at the same time?

You all say start with Greeks... But didn't Plato suggest an early education consisting of only math and science? That is, after some physical education\poetry at the very beginning

>>13277605
>>13277648
>>13277672
I actually can't tell if this is satire, if not you're not making metaphysics look any better

>>13277497
Russel's teapot is edgelord tier

>>13277656
>Yeah, physics has like nothing to do with the Universe.
that... that wasn't the point....

>>13277354
>continuum
>real

>>13277946
>>13277670

>>13277650
Time is still a continuum in quantum mechanics you mouthbreather

>>13277703
I've never seen someone get so thoroughly baited.

>>13277291
Somebody can tell me that how Bergson approach Zeno's paradox and solving this?

>>13277291
The only reason Zeno's paradox exists is because his model of reality is retardedly inaccurate
The paradox is solved by realizing Zeno is a dumbass and the invented world in his head is not a proper reflection of anything in reality

>>13277291
If you assume that it takes an equal amount of time to move from 1/2^n to 1/2^(n+1), then the paradox is valid, for there are infinite steps, each taking a finite time, so it should take an infinite time to reach the wall. But since the walking speed is constant and the distance is finite, it only takes a finite time.
>>13277830
Start with Euclid

>>13277605
The word Analysis in math doesn't mean what you think it does

>>13279277
you realize that the series you mentioned actually converges to a finite sum right? .... (and absolutely at that)

>>13279303
What of it?

>>13279303
That doesn't detract from his point, read it again

>>13279318
>>13279409
my b didn't realize you had that bit about decelerating the entire time, with this set up you will at least get arbitrarily close to finishing in finite time tho

>>13277896
Samefag.

Mathfags so retroactively btfo by a 'primitive Greek' that they have to resort to autistic infighting.

>>13277291
>>>/lit/thread/S13113096#p13113688

>Suppose Homer wishes to walk to the end of a path. Before he can get there, he must get halfway there. Before he can get halfway there, he must get a quarter of the way there. Before traveling a quarter, he must travel one-eighth; before an eighth, one-sixteenth; and so on.

>I think Zeno's argument is quite self-aware and addresses many things. A rebuke of bottom-up Materialism, a Soteriological metaphor for the triviality of detail, a condemnation of Quantity as an abomination, an affirmation of "Eternalism" and a rebuke of Mathematical Metaphysics wherein Number explodes from an eternal Now but cannot commune with Number from another Now. The latter being very important to Absolute Monism.

>>13279740
It's an interesting take, perhaps necessary as a bridge between our thinking and their's, but it's not what Zeno was thinking. The Greeks didn't think in these terms.

bump
Everyone needs to see STEM retardation in its glory.

>>13277291
>don't look for evidence
>must not exist

no one in this thread has refuted zeno