/lit/ - Literature

>>13267573
in this case women are in the right

>>13267573
Is it possible for a woman to fall asleep reading a John Green or Harry Potter book?

>>13267585
Women never sleep, they just lie perfectly still and think of how pretty they look lying there and how they can backstab all their friends who they really hate

Should have picked 'The Sound and the Fury'.

>>13267573
I'm convinced Faulkner is THE most overrated writer in the canon. His themes are completely one-dimensional (ah yes, another southern story about family and innocence, how novel) and his character psychological is rarely insightful, making the deliberately antagonistic elements he puts in works pretentious, and I mean that word quite literally. The fact that SaF literally takes 60 pages to 'get good' like some trashy 90's JRPG is embarrassing.

>>13267634
Name all the Faulkner books you have read.

>>13267634
Have you read SaF a second time? Just asking out of curiousity.

>>13267573
Reading is an activity that depends heavily on the mind of the reader. Her boredom is a reaction to her own thoughts and insight.

>>13267634
>he fact that SaF literally takes 60 pages to 'get good' like some trashy 90's JRPG is embarrassing.
Peak /lit/ plebdom

>>13267573
what the fuck this is the third time i've seen a girl read faulkner in a tv show or film. and i think that's like the only 3 times i've seen him mentioned in any tv shows or films.
there's the scene in breathless, and in an episode of mad men.

I hate Faulkner and hope I never read anything of his again.

>>13267685
Reading Faulkner makes a character look smart and cultured.

>>13267656
Abaslom, Absalom and SaF.
>>13267665
Yes, and on one hand the book is more interesting when given the full picture, the fact still remains that the picture itself is not compelling and borderline banal. I might enjoy it a bit more if it expanded it's meta-textual elements or didn't share the same general themes of most American novelists (O'Connor, Steinbeck, etc.). I have no hatred towards the man's fans, but how critics have decided he belongs in the modernist greats along with Eliot, Wolf, Joyce, Proust, Kafka, et al is beyond me.
>>13267676
Tell that to Faulkner; it is by his own admission he made the Benji section to suss out the" ideal readers" (what an awful concept) from the bad ones, by crafting an intentionally boring and disparate opening to the book.

>>13267718
not really though

>>13267718
Interesting point, acutally. Does anyone have an example of a character being presented as the dumb character by reading a specific author?

Or more generally - readers 'inheriting' certain characteristics by authors?

>>13267727
>Tell that to Faulkner; it is by his own admission he made the Benji section to suss out the" ideal readers" (what an awful concept) from the bad ones, by crafting an intentionally boring and disparate opening to the book.
is that true?
someone - i forget who - once said a child who never learns to struggle through long and tedious pages for the sake of the sudden flashes of beauty that seem to illuminate the whole earth will have a mind as boneless and slack and resistless as its body would be if it had been fed on nothing but tinned foods

>>13267727
>Tell that to Faulkner; it is by his own admission he made the Benji section to suss out the" ideal readers" (what an awful concept) from the bad ones, by crafting an intentionally boring and disparate opening to the book.
So he was pleb filtering? lmao fucking BASED Faulkner, I admire him even more now.

>>13267727
Understood. I myself think comparison to Kafka or Joyce is justified in some aspects, but I can see your point.

>>13267748
>So he was pleb filtering? lmao fucking BASED
Cringe

>>13267727
>Faulkner
>not great
>Eliot
>great
??? is this a joke?

>>13267761
cope more pleb

>>13267739
in a fish called wanda there's a (stupid) character who models himself on the ubermensch

>>13267812
Nice. Got the mustache almost right.

>>13267764
no, amis thought so as well

>>13267727
>Absalom, Absalom and The Sound and the Fury
You haven't read enough Faulkner to make the blanket criticism you made. Read The Hamlet. Read Go, Down Moses. Read his short stories. Read The Reivers. Faulkner is a comic genius. He has a lot to say about white/black relations. His themes are not one-dimensional. He touches on a lot. Yes, he does have recurrent themes like the South hanging on to antebellum customs and trying to reconcile them with the modern world. His insights on family and pride are great. Faulkner is great. You've read little of him and understood less.

>>13267818
Toilets sucks major cock. At least Faulkner tried to create something truly original.

>>13267573
faulkner is trash (like 99% of american "writers"), so i like this woman and would cum in her

>>13267824
>He has a lot to say about white/black relations.
And this a good thing?

>>13267824
>>13267843
he loved niggers lmao that one of the reasons his books are trash, always making niggers the only morally good characters in his books and humiliating southern whites with negative portrayal

>>13267634
>I'm convinced Faulkner is THE most overrated writer in the canon
Faulkner might literally the most influential *novelist* of the 20th century. Overrated ? What the FUCK are you talking about ?

t. not an american, actually

>>13267850
I'd rather say he had sympathy for the weak. In their circumstances they uphold the most uncorrupt intentions.

>>13267843
>>13267850

>>13267918
>nigs good

>>13267600
jesus HAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>13267578
Fuck off.

>>13267634
have sex

>>13267634
Joe Christmas is a pretty psychologically complex character.

>>13267836
oh no he didn't, my dear fellow, that's just what he didn't do.

>>13267995
Neither did Eliot then, for that matter.

>>13267960
abloobloo

>>13267600
Is this true? I love women so much

>>13267744
I'll admit I flubbed here; I mistook some quote of a critic I was reading for what Faulkner said. W/r/t Faulkner's opinon on Benjy the only thing I can find is his UVA interviews, in which he only explains that he wrote Benjy for the sake of telling a story (not even memeing, an indian fellow asks him if he wrote in a deliberately lyrical style, and Faulkner just gave him the most banal 'writely' answer.) As for your anecdote (sounds like something Harold Bloom would say), I believe in the general thrust of challenge, but don't believe challenge has to be long and tedious. Ulysses, Dalloway, and the Wasteland all manage to be challenging and fun to read in the midst of the challenge, because there is a sense of ingenuity and insight that lies behind it. There's also the fact that said works have more interesting prose than what I read from Faulkner.
>>13267824
I understand your point and I think it's fair, but I don't find it convincing at all. If a writer's two more acclaimed works aren't a good enough sample to judge an author has worthy of reading, then you have bizarre standards. You don't need to read anything more than one of Kafka's short-stories to understand his general project, or the multitude of themes he tackles in his works. A good work is able to pack multiplicities into itself.
>>13267856
Ignoring your incorrect conflation between influence and quality, Faulkner is not more influential than the very person he took influence from, Joyce.
>>13267984
I've never read LiA. What makes him complex?

>>13267600
Kek

>>13267573

WILLIAM FAULKNER = WILL I FALTER? YES.

>>13267812
Same with Late Spring

>>13268069
Christmas is an outcast because ostensibly he's a mutt with some black ancestry but the identity of his biological father is never confirmed and he could possibly be just a very swarthy white dude. The fact he becomes a pariah based around all of that and internalizes a lot frustatrion over what could be a big nothing made him a very interesting character in my eyes. And there's also a bit of an obvious Christ-like element to him.

LiA is worth a read, very underrated.

Faulkner, William. Dislike him. Writer of corncobby chronicles. To consider them masterpieces is an absurd delusion. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me.

>>13267573
>As i lay dying
>falls asleep

>>13267573
because Faulkner is boring

>>13269302
>t. has never drank from a cedar bucket

>>13267573

>His easiest book

Yikes

>>13267850
Joe Christmas wasn't "morally good" he was a very complex, conflicted and compelling character

>>13268601

She’s very pretty. Plainer than the average starlet, but doesn’t seem as devious(yet).

She has her own YouTube channel.

https://youtu.be/JlktSAhR3KY

How do I read the Sound and the Fury, it's hard :(

>>13270481

PLAIN IS PLENARY; PLENITUDE IS GOOD.

>>13270976
>>13270481
>>13268601
>>13267573
KYS

>>13268601
>WILLIAM FAULKNER = WILL I FALTER? YES.

Damn...