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>What was probably the greatest single event in human history;
>One of the greatest combinations of what is best and worst in the human mind;
>Hundreds of opportunities for building great characters, scenes, moral dilemmas and other essentials of fiction;
>Still portrayed only in fragmented visions in literature, not in an epic like War and Peace

This is probably the biggest gap in the history of literature. The opportunity is still open, and our generation is not yet so far away chronologically from the time it occurred.

This is a virgin land of unconceivable value: the possibility of creating something perhaps superior to the Iliad and War and Peace. Why nobody explores it?

>> No.13248698

Both the Iliad and W&P are "national" epics.
A World War is an international deal, not to mention that W&P is also a "fragmentary" writing on the Napoleonic wars from the perspective of the Russians.
Not to mention the stigma surrounding it, with the Holocaust and all that jazz.

>> No.13248719

Because Americans are shitty writers, Russians killed all their's, the French have nothing to write about, the Germans are too pussywhipped to write about it, and the British are too ashamed of what they've become.

>> No.13248729

inb4 all the edgy underage nazi incels ruin the thread

>> No.13248730

>>13248675
what is it with low iq boomers and their infatuation with WW2, is it because liberals do not teach them anything else?

>> No.13248733

>>13248719
>the Germans are too pussywhipped to write about it

this is the thing. A German writer should have the guts to write about the time, not hiding anything, using Hitler and the party people as main characters, but also fictional jewish and german families. There were people in germany who were against Nazism but still fought in the war. This could provide a very good basis for the work.

If this War and Peace of WWII will come I guess that it should come either from a german or a russian.

>> No.13248735

>>13248675
one day a Jewish Neonazi will pen a masterpiece about it

>> No.13248743

>>13248735
communism is the nazism of the jew

>> No.13248766

>>13248743
That would be Zionism.

>> No.13248770

>>13248766

This

>> No.13248775

>>13248770
that

>> No.13248825

>>13248675
The fact is that it’s too big in scope, both physically and philosophically, to be covered by one book. You can’t write from all the perspectives of the various diverse parties involved and still have it mesh, a Civilian in Nagasaki and a partisan in Russia wouldn’t have anything in common and would contradict each other most likely. Speaking of which the war coincided with the end of our innocence with the development of nuclear weapons, as much has been written about, but also bled into the Cold War. Can’t make a book about both that and the glory of fighting for your people and have it make sense.

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13248842

Posting this to end the thread.
Go read it.

>> No.13248850

>>13248842

Is good, but not as ample and diverse as War and Peace.

>> No.13248852

>>13248675
WWII is the most played out shit in all media

>> No.13249045

>>13248850
What? Yes it is, its entire structure mirrors it almost exactly. It IS the WWII War and Peace. Did you actually read it?

>> No.13249454

>>13249045


There’s something that Tolstoy has and Grossman (even after his careful study of Tolstoy) never noticed: Tolstoy is always referring to what characters are thinking and feeling, and what impression one character have on other characters, or the impression that a talk, a scene, nature, etc. have on a character. You are always inside the mind of the characters, more on the major ones, less on the smaller ones or on the small extras (yet even in these small characters the same thing happens).

Grosmann is far more common and rudimentary in talent. I really wonder how he didn’t perceive that feature of Tolstoy’s style after so many careful readings of his books.

>> No.13249505

>>13249454
This is the same reason 'Quiet Flows The Don' doesn't quite get to that Tolstoy level despite being similar in scope. The characters just aren't as psychologically detailed

>> No.13249736

>>13248729
it probably is because the political correct censorship of what you can say about the time and that's obvious.

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13249763

>>13248675
>greatest living american writer did exactly what you wanted before you knew you wanted it
>you don't even know his name
>you don't even know what book I'm talking about

>> No.13249773

>>13249454
This is... yeah, this is really well put, and so obvious I'm mad I didn't realize it. Shit, I'm a brainlet. Got to reread AK now. This summer will be the summer of War and Peace for me I'm excited

>> No.13250784

>>13248675

I will do it. It will take 8-10 years. Have patience.

>> No.13250831

>>13248675
any remotely serious attempt would lead to the obvious conclusion that the soviets did 90% of the work and america's involvement wasn't important in the military sense but merely acting as the puppet that turned europe into a weak and dependent shell of what it used to be and to be experimented on by the j*ws.

>> No.13250844

>the vast majority of the major WW2 novels are written by burgers
What the fuck is wrong with the rest of the world?

>> No.13250977

>>13248675
WWI was probably more impactful