/lit/ - Literature

>>13233713
You know, not everyone reads philosophy to "appreciate" it, but solely for intellectual stimulation, "enjoyment". It's fine as long as it doesn't cause Dunnig-Kruger.

>>13233713
I read Nietzsche pretty early on I dont see the problem, I had no trouble understanding it.
I think people who reccomend "everyone needs to read in the order that I read in" have some serious autism
Seek help OP

Since we at it can someone recommend good translator of his works?It seems that Kaufmann is the most recommended one, but there are many others.

>>13233713
Based post
Also Kant, in fact most importantly Kant to get just how different it is from Kant

most people don’t recommend him as an introduction to philosophy as much as they recommend him as an introduction to nihilism (and Nietzche is entry-level nihilism)

>>13234303
Nietzsche is literally the arch-anti-nihilist

>>13234309
He is a nihilist warning against nihilism.

>>13233713
>This board is dumb as fuck
should have stopped writing here

He’s the pseudmaker. A non pseud wants the whole picture, starts with the greeks, and spends time going through the canon to get a consistent narrative of human thought. The pseud is already a nihilist because they feel sad and depressed, so they go to this guy straight away to wank themselves off and get validation from someone intelligent. I am not criticising the man himself, just his braindead faker followers

Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Deleuze and Spinoza arent philosophers

>>13233713
Why? He doesn't discuss any of Plato's ideas. He doesn't discuss any ideas from the Bible, he is just talking out of his ass.

>>13235099
pseud post

glad i started with nietzche

now im following my dreams instead of wasting my time living according to my family and societys expectations

>>13233713
Literally the most read philosopher by layman you nigger.
>but that doesn't mean he's the most understood
Yes it does. Stop pretending you helping to a special club

>>13235158
Nietzsche grapples heavily with Plato's long, powerful influence on Western thought. Nietzsche is rebelling heavily against Plato, which you will not appreciate fully if you haven't read any Plato yourself. Have you actually even read any Nietzsche? One of his biggest bugbears is his idea that Plato ruined Socrates.

>>13235275
Yeah, but he doesn't discuss any of their ideas. It's clear that he never read any of the dialogues, or he simply disregarded every single point made.

Daily reminder that Plato is a sellout faggot and Xenophon is based.

>>13233713
>no-NO YOU HAVE TO READ THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF LITERATURE TO UNDERSTAND!!

>>13234294
This

>>13233713
You forgot kant

>>13233713
Finally, someone who actually reads

Hegel is not mentioned whatsoever throughout any of nietzsches philosophy

this board consistently encourages people to start with the greeks if you haven't noticed pal

>>13235595
congratulations for being the only non-redditor in this thread

>>13235290
>he doesn't discuss any of their ideas
Read "on truth and lie", he puts Plato's ontology upside down

>>13233713
You also hear people saying you need to have familiarity with Homer, Heraclitus, and Kant.

As with many philosophers, the "necessary context" list is inconsistent and fucking endless. The important point is that Nietzsche is saying a lot in response to general currents in the history of western culture and thought, and whoever it is that YOU happen to have read that comprises a significant part of that, you're going to perceive all sorts of "important" connections between that and the work of Nietzsche.

Personally... I think Nietzsche works for anyone who is remotely aware of the western scene. That can mean literally anything, from the climate of Hellenistic Greece to the self-destructive tendencies of the modern age. Nietzsche makes sense to just about anyone with the slightest degree of education, and he often makes sense differently. Once had a professor who said that people's interpretation of Nietzsche tends to reflect who they are, and will change as they change. I'd almost rather say that people's interpretation of Nietzsche tends to reflect what they've read. I thought I saw a strong Hegel connection too, but then I realize that they're both just history-concerned philosophers who are good at generalizing, and moreover, I happened to have read the two.

Point is... You don't need anything specific to "properly appreciate Nietzsche". Any exposure to Western thought will be enough to make him make sense, and he's educational on the things he's responding to.

Either that or you can't properly appreciate Nietzsche without emulating every facet of his life that led to the formation of his thoughts, because he's a soulfully expressive philosopher and everything he's said is the product of his life. Recall that he did himself remark on what is required to understand him... Not a certain kind of education, but a certain kind of person.

A Lexikon is usually good enough for reading any Philosopher.
I believe most "pseuds" this board complains about haven't even read the whole Wikipedia article on him and his ideas.

>>13235099
Hard truths

>>13233713
>MY philosopher is the best
they are all unemployed bums, anon. You are taking advice from miserable pricks who failed in every aspect of their lives.

>>13233744
Anon he means you would also understand it better by reading these people.

>>13235144
You win the prize of stupidest post this week. Well done.

>>13233713
Nietzsche is self-contained and can be read whenever, so buzz off.

>>13233713
>you need to, at bare minimum, have at least a little familiarity with
>Hegel

Brobjer - "Nietzsche's philosophical context. An intellectual biography" (2008)

Fun fact: Nietzsche never read Hegel.
He properly read mostly only ancient Greeks and his living contemporaries (Afrikan Spir, Philipp Mainlander, Ernst Mach, Richard Avenarius, etc.).
The rest (Hegel, Kant, Spinoza, etc.) were being acquainted as short summaries from books on the history of philosophy (mostly, by Dühring).

>>13236417
>Nietzsche's philosophical context. An intellectual biography
Where can i get this without paying £45?

>>13236430
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=79D0B5C32FBDB56E8224108C567022C5

>>13233756
You can't deny it helps give context. This is true for every writer as they're always responding to somebody. You start from knowing nothing in the world so somebody has to teach you things. You can probably still grasp Nietzsche if you feel a certain kinship with him and his life because he talks a lot about his feelings and his thoughts on the deeds of others.

>>13234669
I'm under the impression that he was called a nihilist in the same manner as the bolsheviks. They were called nihilist in part because they hated religion. He's not a nihilist as we would know, we was the supreme gentleman of his time.

>>13234669
>He is a nihilist
He basically says that nihilism is a temporary phase, not an ultimate goal. First you dispose of shackes of old morality, then you find something new. Use nihilism in healthy doses.

>>13236533
>he's a nihilist in denial

>>13235177
Seething pseud

>>13233713
Ive read all those and nietzsche is still a brainlet. His philosophy is a hissy fit

>>13233713
This post is even more important nowadays considering /pol/ has replaced /b/ as the site's gatekeeper and most of the teenagers coming in from there are encouraged to come here. /b/ wasn't directing posters to this board like /pol/ does. It's why /lit/ has become blatantly underage in terms of quality in the past couple years.

Also this >>13234294 plus Goethe, Schiller, the Pre-Socratics, the Greek tragedians, Spinoza, Descartes, Caesar, and Napoleon are all important to be familiar with when it comes to Nietzsche.