/lit/ - Literature

>>13220978

Sex and Character

>>13220978
The guy in the picture is total retard, and a copy-pasta of arch-retard Steven Coward.
OP, go back to /pol/ and kys

>>13220978
nice meme

>>13220978
(Don’t read The Shack, this image was later remade without it but I don’t have that version saved)

>>13221002
I'm amazed this baboon has an audience.

>>13221018
He's embodiment of stupidity

Why are right wingers mouth breathing numales? Are postmodernists and marxists the chads of today?

>>13221032
yes

>>13220978
>please give me confirmation bias

>>13221032
they're beta permalosers who, in the most cringeworthy fashion, want to compensate for their shortcomings by trying to turn "debates" into competitions. notice this laughable and unhealthy obsession with DESTROYING the libtards with FACTS and LOGIC or BTFO the sjw or exposing the cultural marxists or whatever. it's not about learning, it's not about understanding, it's not about presenting an argument to engage in a nuanced discussion, it's all about trying to be the alpha male who "wins" and humiliates, if possible.

>>13221066
To add some context, conservatives and the right wing as a whole are generally more favorable to competition, and the notion of winning and losing. This is precisely why public discourse is seen as "debate" for them to win using debate tactics. They are less open to experience and therefore see this as closer to a zero sum game in which the goal is to change others minds and not have their mind changed.
On the other hand, more liberal people have a higher amount of openness to experience, on average, causing them to see the war of ideas as a "dialectic" in which they can convene on more nuanced truth. Unfortunately, the intelligent people who are more liberal do not have as strong of convictions due to their openness to many ideas and changing viewpoints. Thus only the stupid lefty's that are usually young have enough strength in their narrow views to shout it in the streets or into a camera, and this is what's seen on media, which makes the left wing as a whole appear pretty silly if not outright crazy.

>>13220978
Alain de Benoist - Au-dela des droits de l’homme. Défendre les libertés
éditions Krisis
Guillaume Faye - L'Archéofuturisme
Also Evola got a few good books

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>>13221131
Jesus H. Christ Anon this level of projection isn't healthy.

>>13220988
have sex

>>13220978
Thomas Sowell is great author you could look into if you weren't a baiting /pol/-poster

>>13220978

>>13220978
Next meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIVRVTjbJ5Y

>>13220978
>christian traditionalist capitalist literature

Christianity is anti capitalist, and capitalism is anti christian.

>No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
>For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God

Capitalism is fucking degenerate.

Conservative socialism is god-tier and BTFOs everyone.

>>13221298
Isn't he just a lolberg uncle tom?

>>13221066
Wanna know how I know you got owned by a Ben Shapiro fanboy once?

>>13221182
and Character

>>13221383
What the fuck does that even mean? How can you have socialism while at the same time championing the institutions that upheld capitalism?

>>13221131
fuck off liberal

>>13221402
>How can you have socialism while at the same time championing the institutions that upheld capitalism?

Just watch me

>>13221383
nice meme dude

>>13221402
Do you consider strasserites as liberals too?

>>13221418
namefag retard

>>13221413
facts and logic

>>13221413
>leftists calling other people liberals

>>13221418
Brainlet tripfag spotted

>>13221417
shit post

>>13221417
>>13221421
> He thinks Nazis are socialists
Do you think the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is a democracy as well?

>>13221402
<50 IQ

>>13221432
Define socialism

>>13221432
>its not MY type of Socialism so it doesn't count

The Nazis vastly increased public spending's constitution of GDP. Thats Socialism in the only way that matters

>>13221442
meme, go read some books

>>13221447
>meme
So Hitler was definitely a socialist then...

>>13221442
Public ownership of the means of production
>>13221444
The Capitalists are still very much in control of businesses, ergo it's not socialism.

>>13221447
Oh if its in a book it must be true

>>13221426
Liberals aren't leftist by any reasonable definition
The only reason they're associated is because in America our retarded two-party system means the Democrats pretend to cater to the left

>>13221461
Anyone in control of capital is by definition a Capitalist so there's no such thing as socialism

>>13221461
>Public ownership of the means of production
The Nazis collectivised many industries, although obviously not all.
So what degree of collectivization is necessary?

>>13221475
>Liberals aren't leftist by any reasonable definition
Yes they are outside your faggy little communist manga club

>>13221487
Liberals only want to quibble over the finer details of a fully capitalist system
Leftists are opposed to capitalism
>your faggy little communist manga club
You don't belong on this board

It's not about literature, it's about mental ability range. There's no one who has that ability to destroy socialist ideology by pure objectivism.

>>13221501
>Leftists are opposed to capitalism
Pretty sure Leftists were those who favored the Capitalist, Republican side of the French Revolution as opposed to the Monarchist Rightists

Oh right sorry, we're going by whatever the fuck your arbitrary definition is

>>13221501
>Liberals only want to quibble over the finer details of a fully capitalist system
>Leftists are opposed to capitalism
Who gives a fuck about economics?
On all important points, namely social politics, leftists and liberals agree, while they have some minor fights about economic policy nobody really cares about.

>>13221510
>What could possibly have changed from 18th century France
>You know, that famous revolution pitting monarchism against... Capitalism

>>13221531
Not him, but YOU yourself equated liberals and capitalists.

>>13221531
So you agree, Left and Right mean something wider than "muh capitalism". Thanks. See you later kid.

>>13221528
>What's important in politics isn't economic or legislative reform but where you stand on tranny bathrooms
The world would be a better place if everyone, left or right, who was this fucking retarded was shot in the head

>>13221546
>The world would be a better place if everyone, left or right, who was this fucking retarded was shot in the head
Yeah, Hitler tried that, but liberals(aka. communists) stopped him.

>>13221546
Everytime people calling themselves "Anti-capitalists" have gotten into power since the fall of the Soviet Union have never actually implemented Socialism as they speak of it. They always just end up being super-Democrats whether its in Venezuela or Greece.
Commies are just faggot Liberals, this is a fact today. They know their economic ideas are bogus so they don't even try to implement them anymore and just focus on niggering up a country instead

>>13221528
> Who gives a fuck about economics?
The ABSOLUTE STATE of this board.
>>13221546
This but unironically.

>>13221501
>>13221475
>hurr liberals aren't leftist
Oh look it's this retard again

>>13221553
>The ABSOLUTE STATE of this board.
No, seriously. Capitalism obviously works well enough, if it didn't I wouldn't be sitting comfyly on my couch with a thin blanket around my legs, typing furiously on a smartphone to some stranger on the internet.

Why would anyone give a shit about economics?

>>13221552
Cuba seems to be doing pretty well. Despite being an undeveloped third world country whose neighbor, the most powerful capitalist country in the world, has spent the better part of a century trying to assassinate its leaders and overthrow its government, they have one of the highest literacy rates and one of the best healthcare systems of any country on the planet.
When the world's largest superpower will actively carpetbomb your country to the stone age for trying to enact leftist economic ideas, it turns out poorly.
>>13221566
I hope this is bait.

>>13221018
>>13221030
his debate with destiny was one of the best things to come out of the bloodsports trend

>>13221583
>I hope this is bait.
Give me a single reason for me to care more about economics then some pure mathematics memes like category theory.

>>13221583
>Cuba seems to be doing pretty well.
Its objectively poorer than every single one of its neighbors that aren't full on nigger islands. The only ways in which it is superior is by the fact its socially conservative and keeps niggers in check.

>>13221594
If you're genuinely this much of a faggot then please don't care. Don't vote or engage with anything beyond yourself in any way.

>>13221601
>Its objectively poorer than every single one of its neighbors
Its neighbors include the United States and Mexico, moron

>>13221611
Yeah, I imagined that yo

>>13221616
>Mexico
And?

>>13221611
Yeah, I imagined that you couldn't find a single reason, thanks for confirming though.

>>13221583
The USA is a communist country (see moldbug), you should bring that up as your example.
Cuba was heavily influenced by, somewhat reactionary, Stalinism that is why it is doing okay.

>>13221461

shit definition. The economy is not magically divided into or controlled just by two powers (the state, and "private hands"/business owners). Workers fucking exist my dude. Socialism is when the workers control the economy, full stop.

>>13221480

lmfao, read a book

>>13221482

LOL historically speaking, the reason we even know "privatization" as a concept, where the state gives ownership/management of industries to private hands, is literally because of Nazi Germany. Collectivization != socialism. Use of state power != socialism. Is Napoleon a fucking socialist? You calling Bismarck a socialist for approving welfare reform in Germany?

>>13221562

With the exception of the US, most Western countries' Liberal party is literally the center-right party in comparison to Labor or Green parties (center-left when looking at the West).

The absolute fucking state of this board.

>>13221611
>Don't vote
Yeah, no worries. Why would I vote in my single party state?

>>13221643
>lmfao, read a book
Okay

>>13221643
>LOL historically speaking, the reason we even know "privatization" as a concept, where the state gives ownership/management of industries to private hands, is literally because of Nazi Germany. Collectivization != socialism. Use of state power != socialism. Is Napoleon a fucking socialist? You calling Bismarck a socialist for approving welfare reform in Germany?
Have you considered that my reply was the direct result of the others definition of "socialism"?

>>13221643
>historically speaking, the reason we even know "privatization" as a concept, where the state gives ownership/management of industries to private hands, is literally because of Nazi Germany
Yeah because nothing has ever been privatized in history before or since them

>>13220986
fpbp

>>13221601
The country is in abject poverty, but its citizens get three meals every single day. No Cuban ever has to go hungry. They're better educated after high school than most US college graduates. The WHO - not the Cuban government itself - claims that their life expectancy is higher than that of the US.
All this from an incredibly poor, tiny island that has had to go on without support from the USSR for 30 years, and with incredibly heavy sanctions and constant threats from the largest military and economic power in human history. Why do you think that is?

>>13221566
>it """worked""" for me so it must be good
You think like a toddler

>>13220978
I regret to tell you but This post is extremely low quality.

>>13221673

Under capitalism, no. That's when the term was coined, because of Germany in the 30s-40s.

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>>13221676
I told you already, this is unsurprising. Of course communist countries like the US are doing worse in many regards then Cuba, which was influenced by the somewhat reactionary stalinism.

>>13221685
>Under capitalism, no.

So when Britain privatized the railways under Thatcher that was what? Read a book yourself you fucking braindead nigger

>>13221680
Face my challenge >>13221594

Also aside from some bums on public transportation it seems to be working fine for many people here.

>>13221698
>I don't give a shit about anything, checkmate
Drown yourself

>>13221680
>>it """worked""" for me so it must be good

What am a cuck? Like I care about you being a poor faggot

>>13221708
>I don't give a shit about anything
Nice strawman.
I give a shot about many things, but very few of them seem to be negatively impacted by capitalism.

>>13221694

> Thatcher

> Nazi Germany

Which one came first?
I realize Reagan, Thatcher, and even Pinochet exist and they carried out privatization. Did any of their policies exist under capitalism prior to Nazi Germany?

are you being stupid on purpose?

Did I say Nazi Germany was the only example of privatization?

The way I phrased my comment, and with the assumption that someone who has a cup full of interest of history should know the existence of Thatcher, Reagan, and Pinochet, how could I have ever implied that?

>>13221716
>>13221685
Kill yourself faggot. You read a book
>The history of privatization dates from Ancient Greece, when governments contracted out almost everything to the private sector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization

>>13221716
>Did I say Nazi Germany was the only example of privatization?
You literally said its the only reason we know it as a concept. Nice try attempting to move the goalposts though

>>13221017
Thoughts on the Cloud of Unknowing? Someone I know keeps trying to shill it to me.

>>13221724

>Under capitalism, no.

> So when Britain privatized the railways under Thatcher that was what? Read a book yourself you fucking braindead nigger

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization

Pre-20th century, or 20th-century onwards? I wonder what we're talking about. Couldn't possibly be talking about privatization under capitalism, it's not like I even said that!

>>13221740
>Did any of their policies exist under capitalism prior to Nazi Germany?
you typed that in your retarded post

>>13221740
Man things existing privately in Capitalism. Yeah thats some mad innovation there chief, nobody would have ever thought of that wild idea without the Nazis

>>13221698
You are asking an ethical question about why you ought to value X over Y. In regards to economics, the repercussions of such cannot be separated from your "important points" (social politics). The economic state of a country, such as the US where the bottom 50% of Americans own only 1% of the country's wealth, has a huge impact on public opinion, since poor people are much more likely to be uneducated, and uneducated people cannot make educated decisions in terms of voting for representatives with good policy. In this way, the current economic system (capitalism) is very effective at using its huge hoard of resources to control public opinion by taking advantage of said uneducated and sustaining itself by such means. Knowing this, it reveals that you are actually asking the absurd ethical question, "why ought I value X over X?", which has an obvious answer.

>>13221726

Eh, miswrote shit, not a biggie. I don't see how that disproves my point though, and if you want a clarified version: Nazis privatized shit and helped coin the mechanic/term as we know it under capitalism in modern times. They weren't socialists because they did not place workers atop of the economic hierarchy (if they did, striking would not be illegal, etc) and helped kick off a mechanic that is very pro-capitalism.

Am I right or wrong?

>>13221711
At least you are honest. Don't be like the majority capitalists though and pretend like you support the status quo for any other reason besides having benefited from it yourself.

>>13221432
>Do you think the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is a democracy as well?
Yes. Are you retarded or something? How is North Korea not democracy? Totalitarian governments are inherently democratic, because if a government does not think that they it rules by "the people's" consent it wouldn't even bother brainwashing and killing people. Communism is democracy.

Commies should be physically remove so to speak

>>13221761

> 2019
> not reading what weenies on your side of the fence link for their argument

from wikipedia:

> Privatization (also spelled privatisation) can mean different things including moving something from the public sector into the private sector. It is also sometimes used as a synonym for deregulation when a heavily regulated private company or industry becomes less regulated. Government functions and services may also be privatized; in this case, private entities are tasked with the implementation of government programs or performance of government services that had previously been the purview of state-run agencies. Some examples include revenue collection, law enforcement, and prison management.[1]

> Another definition is the purchase of all outstanding shares of a publicly traded company by private investors, or the sale of a state-owned enterprise or municipally owned corporation to private investors. In the case of a for-profit company, the shares are then no longer traded at a stock exchange, as the company became private through private equity; in the case the partial or full sale of a state-owned enterprise or municipally owned corporation to private owners shares may be traded in the public market for the first time, or for the first time since an enterprise's previous nationalization. The second such type of privatization is the demutualization of a mutual organization, cooperative, or public-private partnership in order to form a joint-stock company.[2]

My question to you: please point out where in history, under capitalism, this happened. go, pls.

>>13221432
20 CPU Cycles have been deposited into your account NPC#25965884956 v2.0 BETA

>>13221785

**before Nazi Germany, but within the scope of capitalism's existence.

>>13221779
>How is North Korea not democracy? Totalitarian governments are inherently democratic, because if a government does not think that they it rules by "the people's" consent it wouldn't even bother brainwashing and killing people. Communism is democracy.
Please be bait

>>13221770
>>13221785
You're wrong. The word only became into popularity as the shithole Soviet Union collapsed because of its shithole Socialism. Before then the word was seldom used at all and only seen an uptick AFTER the Second World War when focus was diverted onto the USSR in the first place along with a re-evaluation of the FDR New Deal
There is zero correlation with the rise of Nazism outside obvious Leftist attempts to revise history to gaslight people into associating privatization with ebul Hitler

>>13221793
There are no totalitarian governments that are not products of democracy. Name one undemocratic monarchy as brutal as post-revolutionary China or Russia.

>>13221802

So then don't focus on the term. Focus on privatization as a policy / mechanic, which does not limit you to that time period. Go ahead.

>>13221802
But private industrialists and privately owned firms were an important part of the NSDAP's political base

Why are right-wingers obsessed with homosexuals and transsexuals?

>>13221810
>>13221813
The British governments delegation of colonial and merchant marine efforts to private corporations. There, easy

>>13221808
>There are no totalitarian governments that are not products of democracy.
Have you ever looked at history for one second? Just look up absolute monarchy.

>>13221765
But point out a thing that is *Actually* bad. Clearly there is public schooling in America, the same where here where I live.
I went to school with the son of a millionaire while my mother was in welfare.

You have to actually argue, that if you want to demonstrate one system to be bad, that another system could do better.
What COULD socialism (whatever that means) do to solve that problem.


You also have to say *Why* things are bad, why is wealth inequality bad if everyone has enough to live a good life?

>>13221826
>Massachusetts, the most lefty state in America, was founded as a private corporation
mind = blown

>>13221785
>My question to you: please point out where in history, under capitalism, this happened. go, pls.
Post WWII it happened. Because whether you like it or not: Nazi Germany wasn't capitalist.

>>13221828
Name one absolute monarchy as brutal as the government produced by any "people's revolution". There is none.

>>13221839
Not him but the only reason Elizabeth I didn't have gulags was because she didn't know how to organize them.

>>13221839
Well the Russian Revolution was a byproduct of Tsarist Russia.

>>13221847
That's another point for monarchism I guess.

>>13221847
Not true at all. The idea of a government that controls the entirety of its citizens' lives is a democratic idea. Monarchies had rarely or never controlled the lives of its citizens to the extent that post-revolutionary governments did, because they didn't depend on the people for power.

So in a very real sense North Korea wouldn't be what it is today without democracy.

>>13221848
Doesn't negate the fact that tsarist Russia is downright saintly compared to the USSR.

>>13221886
>Doesn't negate the fact that tsarist Russia is downright saintly compared to the USSR.
That's true.

>>13221340
Why does Zizek always act like he just did a huge line of coke?
Does he do coke?

>>13221826

Colonial charter stuff is more in the realms of late feudalism / proto-capitalism, and I think the merchant marine / navy bit is actually a much better argument that privatization existed prior to Nazi Germany. Even better: enclosure acts in England and similar laws all over Europe and other industrialized nations at the early onset of capitalism.

My next question goes, then: if the mechanic of privatization existed prior to Nazi Germany, how important was the mechanic itself in actuality (at the time) if privatization did not become a popular strategy under capitalism until Germany in the 30s-40s and afterward? Using the state to address capitalist problems was very much the general trend for the West in the late 19th / early 20th century. It seems like privatization existed prior to the Nazis, but it did not affect capitalist mechanics/relations in the way that Germany did under its own privatization, which affected numerous industries.

It seems to me that what the Germans did was much more influential to capitalism than what you listed, barring enclosure-act type legislation which is usually a means to establish capitalism. Privatization in the 20th century very much looks like a critical development for capitalism in order to sustain itself, which will probably be followed by capital trying to pool capital under the state just like it did prior to WWI/WWII. It seems like its a cyclic privatize--state--privatize pattern.

>>13221838

lol. fascism is one of two things that happens when capitalism hits the fan. you either get reform (FDR, Bismarck, etc) or a re-assertion of capitalist relations, both with the help of the state. sometimes you get a mix of both, but those are very much the two dominant themes of capitalism in the 20th century.

>>13221935
>fascism is one of two things that happens when capitalism hits the fan
Yeah its not like people didn't just want to kill the Jews and stop Leftists raping kids

>>13221935
>lol. fascism is one of two things that happens when capitalism hits the fan.
Ummmm sweetie Mussolini came to power before the great depression and fascism has always been opposed to lassiez-faire capitalism and communism
>Fascists opposed both international socialism and free market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism
>those are very much the two dominant themes of capitalism in the 20th century
Post war Keynesianism was more of a mixed economy and fascism has Always been opposed to capitalism.

>>13221475
What about left liberals?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

>>13222160
They accept Capitalism and seek to reign it in. They can't/won't attack the root cause of problems.

>>13221131
>more liberal people have a higher amount of openness to experience, on average, causing them to see the war of ideas as a "dialectic" in which they can convene on more nuanced truth
yeah unless youre talking about race or sex differences. lol at this image of lefties or liberals as being open to honest discussion of different viewpoints