/lit/ - Literature

>>13218656
>No Pyhchon & Delillo
https://medium.com/@devonprice/a-brief-on-hideous-things-about-david-foster-wallace-72034b20de94

>>13218656
this list has the same energy as a 19 y/o irony socialist saying their heroes are danny devito stalin and shrek

>>13218656
>2. The Stand, by Stephen King
Super gay
>3. Red Dragon, by Thomas Harris
I need to read this. The film's are excellent, especially the Mann one.
>4. The Thin Red Line, by James Jones
Hard to beat as an epic in scale war book.
>6. The Silence of the Lambs, by Thomas
Harris
Harris is very good at painting evil and gross, bizarre people. I need to take a fresh look at him.
>7. Stranger in a Strange Land, by Robert A. Heinlein
I don't know if I'll ever read the Dune series, Warhammer books or this guy. I can't. I'm sorry.
>10. The Sum of All Fears, by Tom Clancy
A fun pot boiler where the US and Japan duke it out in a modern great power fight

>>13218691
influenced =/= favorite

Dude was heavily medicated on anti-depressants... hard to trust his opinions.

There's a current pop song based on The Pale King. That's the only reason I know of this man.

>>13218656
DFW just comes off as repulsively inauthentic. I guess that's what he was trying to confront in his fiction, but it's hilarious to see it be so transparent here.

>>13218656
He's trying REALLY hard to appear unpretentious.

>>13218656
This is like film class introductions. You don't wanna look like a douchebag and say your favorite film is some 1920s silent german film so and don't wanna say pulp fiction like everyone else so you say American Beauty or the Sixth Sense or some shit like that.

>>13218656
just bought the Screwtape Letters, can't wait

Screwtape letters is slept on

>>13219307
Yeah except he's a widely published and successful novelist, not some undergrad. If some famous director came into your film class you wouldn't want him to start prattling off about fucking Sixth Sense. Everyone's expecting him to be into some shit.

>>13219022
>>13219056

This, he comes of as a super orchard humanities academic such, the kind of guy that goes out of his way to convince everyone of his contempt for pomp and circumstance, but deep down loves every minute of thepotlight

no discernible talent

>>13219320
Tryhard not orchard...

Is Screwtape Letters a good book? Do I have to read Mere Christianity first?

>>13219012
What song?

>>13219327
It's good. No need to have read Mere Christianity.

>>13218656
Sounds about fucking right lmao

obvious troll

>>13219326
super orchard sounds cooler. the fruits of which are the gross intellectual plums of ostentation

>>13219327

I do recommend Mere Christianity though. Such a great case for Christ in it's purest form.

tried too hard to appear like an ""ordinary reader""

Stranger in a strange land is bad. The story, the theme, the characters and the writing are all gratingly dated. There are some cute ideas but its not worth it.

>>13218656
>Thrillers, killers, and a dose of Christianity to top it off; I didn't blame Zane when he asked, "Is he serious? Beats me. To be honest, I don't know what Wallace was thinking. But I do think there's a certain integrity to his list.” Wallace himself seemed to read assiduously all over the map — or, more to the point, all up and down the scale of critical respectability. Rattling off “the stuff that’s sort of rung my cherries" to Salon's Laura Miller in 1996, for a contrast, he named, among other worthy reads, Socrates' funeral oration, John Donne, “Keats' shorter stuff," Schopenhauer, William James’ Varieties of Religious Experience, Wittgenstein’s Tractatus, Joyce’s Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Hemingway's In Our Time, Don DeLillo, A.S. Byatt, Cynthia Ozick, Donald Barthelme, Moby-Dick, and The Great Gatsby.

ew

>>13218656
>Stop liking what I don't like
At least he's wasn't pretentious, changing what you like to appeal to some big brains is dumb.

>>13219012
>There's a current pop song based on The Pale King
You wot m8, I don't listen to normie music so fill me in.

>>13219012
WHAT SONG IS IT?
WHAT SONG IS IT?
WHAT SONG IS IT?

>>13218699
How are the Hannibal films excellent?especially the writing ist just horrendous

>>13220444
t. tryhard

>>13220504
My grandpa gave me a really old copy of this book before he died :(

>>13219320
>His last resort: entertainment. Make something so bloody compelling it would reverse thrust on a young self's fall into the womb of solipsism, anhedonia, death in life. A magically entertaining toy to dangle at the infant still somewhere alive in the boy, to make its eyes light and toothless mouth open unconsciously, to laugh. To bring him 'out of himself, as they say. The womb could be used both ways. A way to say I AM SO VERY, VERY SORRY and have it heard. A life-long dream. The scholars and Foundations and disseminators never saw that his most serious wish was: to entertain.
>Gately's not too agonized and feverish not to recognize gross self-pity when he hears it, wraith or no. As in the slogan 'Poor Me, Poor Me, Pour Me A Drink.' With all due respect, pretty hard to believe this wraith could stay sober, if he needed to get sober, with the combination of abstraction and tragically-misunderstood-me attitude he's betraying, in the dream.

>>13218656
Surprising? How, you fucking spastic? A trash author loved trash books.

>>13219327
Screwtape is amazing. Lewis is able to personify temptation flawlessly

>>13220890
Manhunter, at least Mann's version, I think had themes that go way beyond cop vs murderer and extend into something man has done perenially, hunt man. Not for food generally, but for very compelling reasons, men must do these sorts of burdensome and daunting chores. The murderer perched himself in a tree in a very pre-ancient hominid type style, one that seemed to refer to this distant past where hunting a person for the sake of family or tribe or hamlet or village may have been a more common occurrence, that sort of thing being how you handle rapes, murderers, any sort of breaking of laws that threaten enough that there is a suspension of the orderly way of doing things and there is only the hunt, the human organism let loose upon the world to do what it has always done and forgets occasionally, but that each of us flares like a lit match whenever we are allowed to dwell in such a space, free to do the thing, lost in the dwelling of the task, inhabiting a strange space where intuition and instinct and spiritual senses are not only helpful but perhaps paramount, your being unifying beyond the need to find this person, no other thought entering your mind, craving them as you would not a deer or something for sport, but as a worrisome rabid animal roaming the countryside and likely to bite one of your infant or toddler children. Perhaps inaccesible to females, there is a hypervigilance available to males that perhaps seems like a type of stupor or dumbness to those unfamiliar, but it is the type of thing Manhunter celebrates, the ritual and hallowed nature of the sacred chore of manhunting.

>>13222157
>typing all that out
Yeah I'm a big Mann fan, but this source material is just complete trash. And the way the protagonist keeps talking to himself is just BRUTAL. The writing for the film is horrible, too. There's one scene where they talk to the forensics guy over the phone, then a cut, and the other detective just repeats word for word what the guy over the phone said. And its completey unnecessary information. Or the time we're Hannibal smells the aftershave of the protagonist:
"Thats a bottle a kid would choose"
So this guy can not only identify every single aftershave just by smelling, but he actually also knows how each and every bottle looks? Give me a break, that's just horrible writing

>>13219012
What the fuck is this meme?

>>13219329
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>>13220876
DES PA CITO

>>13218700
DFW hated Pynchon. How did no one point this out?

>>13218694
No it doesn't.

>>13222349
When was this said?

>>13222365
From an interview he only has in print, somewhere on the internet. He talks about how Pynchon is probably hiding away smoking weed somewhere, and if anything he'd consider themselves enemies, that he never took a liking to much of his work. He goes on to say he was never influenced by that kind of post-modernism, but it might not be the same interview. It wouldn't be the first of the one or two times he's said something savage about a different writer, tho.

>>13222339
>posting pepe the frog in 2019

>>13222339
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>>13220789
>>13220876
>>13222327

80s meme piano man has been reading some DFW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig5PlwXGA0E

>>13222632
Wow this is awful anon...fuck you for making me listen to this

I also hate Father John Misty but Total Entertainment Forever is a complete ripoff of Infinite Jest desu

>>13222641
>I also hate Father John Misty
Funny you mention him, the last song on the album rips of Misty's sound so much, his name was included in the title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJK8VxcI6qM

>>13218656
Holy kek, literal normie-tier plebianism

Trying to hard to not be a tryhard. Or hes just that pleb

>>13222320
I don’t think he meant the bottle was designed in a way that appeals to children I think he means it’s an immature choice of scent might not even be the brand just that particular smell.

lol what a retard

>>13223385
No he specifically talks about the bottle design. I just watched the film the other day

>>13218656
Yeah this is some self-conscious shit he did because he knew fanboys like you would go “aw shucks” when looking at this interview (which certaintly he did when he learned Pynchon had an opera phase and DeLillo was a Faulkner fanboy). His real favorites are featured in a Slate article somewhere, keywords “rung my cherries.” It’s all the usual suspects confirming that DFW really was just a student of the canon with an extraordinary knack for invention.

>>13222459

He said that about Vineland, but it was due to it being so fucking lame and disappointing after 17 years of nothing. Im sure he loved M&D unless he read Blooms praise and promptly decided to hate it

>>13223524
Where's the real list then?

>>13223400
Hahahahaha

>>13218656
Weren't these the required reading for his English class? I remember seeing an actual list of his favorites where mentioned "Keats' shorter stuff" or something like that. You faggots think everyone's lists are necessarily their favorites.

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>>13219307
Those are not his favorite books. It's shit for his students to read for his class.

>>13223524
>>13224329
>OK. Historically the stuff that’s sort of rung my cherries: Socrates’ funeral oration, the poetry of John Donne, the poetry of Richard Crashaw, every once in a while Shakespeare, although not all that often, Keats’ shorter stuff, Schopenhauer, Descartes’Meditations on First PhilosophyandDiscourse on Method, Kant’sProlegomena to Any Future Metaphysic, although the translations are all terrible, William James’Varieties of Religious Experience, Wittgenstein’sTractatus, Joyce’sPortrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Hemingway—particularly the ital stuff inIn Our Time, where you just go oomph!, Flannery O’Connor, Cormac McCarthy, Don DeLillo, A.S. Byatt, Cynthia Ozick—the stories, especially one called “Levitations,” about 25 percent of the time Pynchon. Donald Barthelme, especially a story called “The Balloon,” which is the first story I ever read that made me want to be a writer, Tobias Wolff, Raymond Carver’s best stuff — the really famous stuff. Steinbeck when he’s not beating his drum, 35 percent of Stephen Crane,Moby-Dick,The Great Gatsby.

>And, my God, there’s poetry. Probably Phillip Larkin more than anyone else, Louise Glück, Auden.

>>13222459
Bullshit. He loved Gravity’s Rainbow, praised it as a work of genius. Like the other guy said, I think you’re talking about his reaction to Vineland.

>>13222592
Man, there's a lot of people on this board who are trying to force the idea that pepe is a dead meme. Like, we're on a literature board, where people frequently discuss books from hundreds of years ago. How hard is it to understand that old things can still be relevant or resonant today?

>Stephen King