/lit/ - Literature

>>13205732
that looks a bit uncomfortable desu

>>13205732
tfw the singularity will never happen but at least you get to spend 80 hours per week in your s o y cell

>>13205732
Someone has to label every item fed to the algos. You do it for free when complete a captcha, now imagine doing that all day every day for minimum wage

>>13205822
>Be thankful you have a job at all.
>Everyday I receive hundreds of resumes from people desperate for...

>>13205732
Kek.

>>13205748
>80 hour work week
>that's ten hours a day 8 days a week
>wait
>that's 11 hour days 7 days a week with three extra hours to spread among the week
>or 16 hour work days 5 days a week.
So basically Musk is advocating that people need to spend the entirety of 5 days working, sleep nights, and have the weekend free. Fuck this asshole.

>>13206367
lol my dad works like 70 hours a week,
it's doable

>>13205732
Is no one going to point out that the title of the article in OP's pic makes no sense?

>>13206417
my dad could beat up your dad faggot

surely the situation will fix itself

>"bro" as an analytical abstraction
like zoinks scoob

>>13206417
doable yes
desirable? nah fuck that mate

>>13206429
shhh... take in the keywords and react accordingly, value our algos.

>>13206417
Fucking Boomers.

>>13206429
What do you mean?

>>13206862
these memes were hilarious. people only bashed them because the boomer hits too close to home

>>13205732
lmao look at those S O I S

>>13206868
They'll always live on in my heart.

>>13205849
I had a visceral disgust as I read through this

>>13207311
I don't get the rhyme. Is that a parody of some song?

>>13205732
t. never read Land
What you posted literally validates everything he says about capitalism.

>>13205732
Looks like companies named "Pygmalion" shouldn't be trusted wherever you are from

>>13205732
Let's sit all day in out GitFat chairs, pretending to do actual work while the world dies

>>13205732
I don't see how Land, GitHub or the speech company relate to each other?

I mean yes, it's known that there are also Chinese companies that sell "AI event detection" to find the interesting clips in sports event but in real life it's a bunch of Chinese or Indians behind the scenes - since they are cheaper than developing the tech.
Doesn't say much about the capabilities of AI, though.
And the image I suppose is entirely unrelated..

>>13207349
Proof that you're a zoomer

>>13205732
that's terrible for your back and neck

>>13206367
My mother has worked 60-70 hrs a week since she was 17, she never went to school much either (homeless) but she's smart and learns anything easily. No father. At least I could cook and clean from a young age. Just kill yourself if you're born into the lowerclass, I won't out of respect for my mother and contempt for the world, but I understand the inclination.

>>13207336
The fucking hearts and flowers

>>13207459
Are you a literal Boomer?

>>13206367
I'm pretty sure elon said this as advice for becoming super successful

>>13206367
Don't forget that only Elon gets paid literally billions for that week. All the other employees get fuck all.

>>13207574
This is true

>>13205746
Yes actually. Asking for back problems.

>>13206417
That's part of the reason you're a halfwit spending all your time on a Malaysian Sufi board

>>13205732
>Artificial intelligence is not that artificial; it’s human beings that are doing the work
Surely that means it -is- artificial?

>>13205748
>yes, plug in batteries, the world needs it

>>13206868
they started improving when they were being made by people who aren't spiteful and unfunny

>>13205732
Thank god I got out of programming when I did. I can just imagine being uncomfortably huddled in one of those box things, just one economic downturn away from unemployment, typing shitty code to solve some trivial issue that I don't give a shit about.

>>13205732
>cucksheds.jpg

>>13206367
How is your reading comprehension this bad?

>>13207377
>he's right when he's wrong
Imagine believing this.

>>13207447
Why are accelerationists so retarded?

WAGIE WAGIE

>>13205849

That image can't be real. If it is then cancer is too good for the person who made/owns it

>>13208596
Oh, it's real.
Another goodie.

>>13207349
It is but it doesn’t rhyme very well and overall it’s a very lazy attempt

>>13208628
>owner's

>>13208628
I honestly cannot imagine the company or even regional culture that exists for that writing to have happened. Do they like mentally restricting their employees or something? You should let the company speak for themselves. I know that I’m about to be having an interview to be an operations manager at a retail chain. I don’t think I would accept due to the fact that I really like the benefits offered where I work now.

That’s how you maintain employee retention: by being a good company to work for, not by mindlessly enslaving everyone who works there (AKA ‘you shud be grateful hurrrrrr) :3

>>13205732
Doesn't /g/ call that shit meme learning? Isn't AI just extended data science? Some linear algebra. Some probability. A little bit of calculus. Some python and a lot of marketing, e.g. fancy names like neural networks or whatever.

>>13206367
>>13205748
>>13207736
Amazing how /lit/ is full of people with child-level reading comprehension

>>13208881
Are you really amazed?

>>13207759
What do you do now ?

>>13208881
Back to your s o y cell, reddit.

>>13208553
Alright, I'll bite, how do you think any of this proves Land wrong?

>>13205732
>"Artificial intelligence is not that artificial; it’s human beings that are doing the work."

>artificial, adjective
>made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally

>>13209187
opth residency, life is good.

>>13209643
Show where it proves it right, faggot.

It's obvious to everyone else.

>>13208881
What did I misread? I'm honestly tired so I don't know.

>>13209681
I don't think Musk meant 80 hours defined by law. Just if an individual wants to change something, he should put in 80 hours himself.

>>13209673
>gabbidull zo bad id gud
These people are neckbeards spamming this shi all day. They will never admit he is wrong. Complete inability to use logic.

>>13209673
It's largely irrelevant to his project as a whole, it doesn't prove him right, but it was never offered as proof of him being right, so I don't understand why you would even ask.

>>13209690
It's tech virtue signalling for redditors. Musk doesn't actually do any real work, he doesn't even have a real company.

>>13209694
>spamming
search the archive for this file name if you want a laugh

ITT: People confused about machine learning. Including the "google employee". Training sets are labeled by humans. Big deal. Children really are not intelligent, because they just monkey their parents, amirite?

>>13205748
This guy gets it. The future of employment is training the machine day and night to do your job. The machine is not very smart, but it doesn't wage, and teachers are in surplus.

>>13208840
In land the artificial intelligence was never supposed to be anthropomorphic tho.

>>13209697
>ai irrelevant
>capital irrelevant
>Nick Land
Ok, kid. I guess all Landfags are google employees.

>>13209701
>NO ONE CAN HAVE THE SAME FILENAME
>spams this same pathetic complaint in every thread
I've seen it posted by multiple people. Get a life, Landcunt. Your pseud shit is tiring.

>>13209712
What? Nick Land think capitalism is AI; he doesn't think we need to wait on google to build it. you have already missed the point

>>13209722
>e-everyone named that f-file GABIDUL IZ ZENDIEND.jpg
either you are the anti-accelerationist autist spamming yet another thread or you are literally a discord tranny sharing your memes on there where it preserves the file name. you didn't count on a counterautist. that's where you fucked up son

>>13209701
Yeah, people said encephiLand posting was the best thing lately.

You might think people are on your side, but accelniggers aren't very good at reading.

>>13209754
>MUH AUTIST
lmao, that's the point, everyone knows you dumb fucks are autists. Reveal your discord server and i'll reveal mine.
KYS

>>13209731
lmao, it's a joke you stupid autist sperg

>>13209791
Oh, good one?

>>13209802
Just post the memes autism boy.

And make sure to label it correctly so we know you made it.

>>13209814
What?

>>13205849
>Cost's
What a cunt

>>13205849
>>13208628
Capitalism was a mistake

>>13209814
Memes are kryptonite for these hyperautists.

>>13209835
Don't let Landfags here you say that. They'll follow you into every thread.

>>13205748
What does Elon Musk do? I thought he just posts and plays videogames in his office all day.

wtf is this thread? is /lit/ being raided by literal boomers?

>>13209814
>horror.jpg
>>13209838
>krypto.jpg
HMM I WONDER WHO'S SAMEFAGGING ITT?

>>13209859
Yeah, they spam their boomer shit every fucking day. Getting old.

>>13209886
>schizo.jpg
>>13200586
>>13200790
>>13201529
>>13204447
>>13208255
I opened up two random pages and found these. None of them are me. Some people actually name their files, cunt.

Aren't you worried your team leader will take your phone?

>>13209930
>I found posts on the website that I didn't make
holy shit anon do you want a medal? I don't care about people shitting on accelerationism I care about calling out the samefagging autist who stands out like a sore fucking thumb in every thread
>accerationiggers
>hypernoumanomalstition
>post one meme!
literally choke on your own vomit

>>13209859
people who arent native english speakers. id rather imagine that, but im convinced they are just truly brain fried autists. or pajeet shills. those are all similar to a boomer anyways. oh btw discord has lots of europeans.

>>13205732
>haha y-yeah artificial intelligence is still powered by human beings haha p-please don't put me out of a job

>>13205849
>I'm an unhealthy workaholic why isn't everyone like me REEEEEEE

>>13205732
looks like shit for posture, but it was probably designed by a person of color so HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION IT

>>13209969
>don't care
>20 posts in every thread
yikes

>>13209969
>I care
>7 words later
reading is hard for you, isn't it?

>>13210135
>>13210204

>>13209814
you ok anon? I think you need take break from this site, we all do

>>13205849
BOOMER GENOCIDE FUCKING WHEN

>>13209969
>>13209969
Jesus Christ.

Imagine spending 50 hours a week on a dead ideology. One of the worst ones possible. I get it, you can't turn back now because you have sunk so much time into it.

>>13209973
>coping this hard

>>13209845
I'm a Landfag and I agree tho

>>13210324
what the fuck would that be a "cope" for? No computer scientist or AI developer doesn't actually want their project to come to fruition in the way that science fiction talks about, because then it's only natural that an AI could build and develop other AIs much better than we could.

>>13210325
How does that work?

>>13210435
Acceleration is more of an observation than an ideology, much like Marx's critique of capital, which is what accelerationism is really an extension of.
Nick takes the anti-human side, most people in the accelerationist sphere take the human side.

>>13210466
So you're not a Landfag.

>>13210477
Then stop calling me one faggots

>>13210477
lmao
https://youtu.be/NLYEExrAEJI

>>13210563
were superman and the flash gay together in that show?

>>13210619
appears that way

>>13205748
I think you need some time off to learn new things and relax to be more productive. That's at least true for me.

>>13205746
>>13205732
>>13207689
>>13210017
That looks horrible! Wrist pain, eye strain and back problems are your just punishments for not wanting to be a kindergarten teacher! Better go home and work another 8 hours from their cuckshed.

>>13210940
It's good for you. Makes you into a man.

Like bullying.

>>13210563
Good chemistry. Flash with Superman or John Stewart has the best bromance in occidental comics books.

>>13210466
Why do you think most people take the Pro human feud?

>>13212041
Just a guess, but I'd say it's probably because they are humans themselves.

>>13212045
Not everyone, remember the /cell people define themselves as "Xenos", a project beyond humanity.

>>13212089
I've never heard anyone define themselves as Xeno

>>13212116
>>/lit/thread/S13188575

>>13207534
>smart
>homeless
>never went to school
sure bud

>>13207534
If true, I respect your old timer.

>>13212139
Amy Ireland doesn't identify as xer or xeno or anything like that; don't believe everything you read on a South Korean nailpainting forum

>>13205732
>"Artificial intelligence is not that artificial; it’s human beings that are doing the work."
"Artificial intelligence lacks artifice and therefore intelligence"
-Baudrillard

>>13208628
This counts as coercion and the employer can be sued for this.

https://cosmonaut.blog/2018/09/15/the-future-is-the-past-the-failure-of-accelerationism/
>And with that, Nick Land utterly destroyed any claim to the coherence of “right accelerationism” without even comprehending what he just did: his admissions undermine the spiritual continuity between the chaotic nihilism of his youth and his poorly-masked, tepid conservatism. The Nick Land of the present day is a man who thinks of himself more aligned with Nixon than the crazy youths, who simply wants to create a nice gated free-market utopia away from the rainbow coalition of cybernetic queer brown zombies that he used to get high with. Nick Land is no more of an “accelerationist” than the left accelerationists that he mocks for wanting to imitate Project Cybersyn; he also wants to imitate a Chilean utopian program, just that of Pinochet rather than Allende.

Also BTFO's Landfags pretty hard

my god tech workers are the biggest cucks in the economy. why the fuck don't they unionize? they're mostly white, hetero and have the most potential for bargaining power than anyone else. fucking cops are smarter than tech bros

>>13212673
>why the fuck don't they unionize?
Because they studied STEM

>>13208628
I can almost feel the vicarious sexual thrill of oppressing others.

>>13212694
>not the actual sexual thrill of being a drone in someone else's hive making honey for das Mann

>>13208840
Can confirm. It is really just new buzzwords to describe the existing responsibilities of the tech industry.

>>13212673
>white, hetero
lel

>>13207551
How the fuck do you not know this song?

>>13212778
because I am not an old man like you, old man

>>13212782
its the quintessential boomer meme song along with cruisin' usa. The fact that you don't know this song proves that you are either a reddit migrant or a plain uncultured caveman.

>>13212778
I don't listen to 70s radio rock

>>13212851
Or is under 50

>>13212877
How is that an excuse for your lack of culture ?

>>13212851
>>13212877
>>13212885
literally, old man

>>13212885
Not knowing your dumb Boomer butt rock isn't being "uncultured". The times change and people listen to new music. I realize they might be an ok band but I just don't like that old timey music that isn't /mu/ approved

>>13212647
>Nick Land talked of death, destruction, and nihilism along with the rest of CCRU cult, but they were merely riding the wave of neoliberal market fetishism by proxy—the myth of creative destruction translated into Deleuzian word salads. It was a straight line from Nick Land’s bad reading of Deleuze and Guattari to Schumpeter and Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

>>13212914
What stops you from listening to both new music and old timey ? Again petty excuses.
>/mu/ approved
kek

is it wrong to hate most baby boomers for continuing to wreck the west despite having everything come easy to them? whenever i see the ones that are poor or don't have much, i think to myself "how did you fuck up this hard?"

>>13213002
Its not wrong but I honestly think that If we were in their shoes we would have done the same retarded choices. Imagine: the stars have lined up and you live in the best possible times. All the easiest paths are open to you. would you EVER take the long path ?
So not wrong, just petty.

>>13213002
No, b/acc were the worst gen in history. And if they couldn't acc to the happiness of retirement by 45 they embarrassed Capital itself.

>>13206367
How about fuck you for quote-mining him? He said that the 80 hour work week is required for people WHO WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE WORLD. That is clearly not for everyone, stop putting words in his mouth and learn to read.

>>13213102
KYS, redditard.

>>13205748
Musk is correct but only 0.1% or so of people have the potential to be real changers at all. He's not arguing for the average wagie normalfag to work 80hours a week.

>>13206367

How the fuck are you on /lit/ if you can't read?

He's saying that if you want to be top performing CEO that changes the world like him, you should work 80 hours a week. He is not saying regular employees should work 80 hours a week.

>>13212870
>>13212782

literal fucking zoomers please kill yourself and stream it on your favoriate social media channel

>>13205849
>I cancelled my vacation plans... I'd rather be at work!
LMAO who the fuck made this

>>13213231

He's right you know. Not his fault you can't read basic English sentences

>>13207733
Artificial artificial intelligence?

>>13208628
>corporatedom
new fetish acquired

>>13205732
>"It’s smoke and mirrors if anything," said one current Google employee - who spoke on condition of anonymity. "Artificial intelligence is not that artificial; it’s human beings that are doing the work."
Based Baudrillard knew it all along

>>13210563
wait
isnt the flash only superpower to run really fast?
wouldnt he instantly kill himself if he tripped?

>>13212673
>why don't they unionize
H1B was partially to nip the emergent tech economy in the bud, as a working movement.

It’s fine if you are working for yourself, but if you don’t have equity never work longer then they pay you.

>>13209704
The need for manual labeling is still a unwiedly limitation though. Not as damning as people say, but we ought to be able to do better.
Artifical intelligence is still a meme for now but most people who are informed know that.

>>13208840
It's a meme but you'd have to be a bit of a sciencelet to imagine that we can build any kind of AI that isn"t mostly relying on linear algebra and probability. I could also say that the atomic bombs are just some engineering plus nuclear physics. That not the reason AI is a meme, the reason is that state-of-the-art algorithms are laughably dependent on human input and corrections and lacks flexibilty and autonomy, not to mention the larger problem of not even having a working definition of intelligence we can agree on.

>>13205748
This is just his advice for becoming super successful. Still bad though.

>>13205748
It's always fun to read that and remember Descartes liked to stay in bed until noon and died at 54. Turns the key to make a change in the world is to be a genius born before 1910.

>>13214798
Most people who think they are informed think that. In reality they are mostly code monkeys, who think they are experts because they took a 2 week course on deep learning. Meanwhile the actual people leading the field all say AI is coming and we need to prepare for it now.

>>13214515
I'd like more context and explanation no this quote. What does he mean by "artifice" here ? Does he means that "AI" is too straightforward, mechanical, utilitarian and entirely devoid of cunning ?

Seems like a pretty interesting take in any case.

>>13214868
>Meanwhile the actual people leading the field all say AI is coming and we need to prepare for it now.

Who says that ? Le Cun ? Bengio ? Bottou ? I've seen talks by some of them and the idea that "AI is coming" is clearly not what you can glean from them.
I know people with PhD in deeplearning, nonparametric statistics and optimization who agree AI as we understand it is still a meme.

That doesn't mean the technology we have right now is not transformative. But it's no AI, it's more like enhanced cybernetics and ore fine-tuned information control.

>>13214908
"The beleaguered– even 'obsolete'–individual would be entirely de-skilled, reduced to a passive, inert, 'trivial accessory to the machine.' Technical surveillance and limitless data-collection—'an all-seeing eye' (Panopticon)—would monitor every 'individual on the planet. Ultimately, the totalitarian technocracy, centralizing and augmenting its 'power-complex,' ignoring the real needs and values of human life, might produce a world 'fit only for machines to live in'."
---
How is the intelligence of most people you meet not artificial and a function of the structures? I wouldn't classify most of these coders as people.

>>13205732
>onions pods

>>13205748
This is literally minimum for CEOs and shit. Couldn't pay me enough for that lifestyle.

>>13215008
>How is the intelligence of most people you meet not artificial and a function of the structures?

Absolute platitude. How is the intelligence of 90% of people living in any society in history not like what you describe ? Do you believe intelligence is some magical faculty that arose out of nothing so that we could stop behaving according to the rules of our societies ? What criteria do you have to pretend people now are intrinsically more machinistic than two centuries ago ? Emphasis on "intrinsically".

Next time you'll complain that the intelligence of children is modeled after the behavior of the parents and caretakers in childhood.

Also nice Foucault-faggotry, but despite the appearances that kind of central supervision doesn't exist yet. We have a messy, uncentralized, extensive supervision, still that's no panopticon. I might agree about the diversion of the satisfaction of human needs however.

Furthermore this has nothing to do with artificial intelligence, or with my earlier post.

>I wouldn't classify most of these coders as people.

Only an extremely superficial and ideological understanding of intelligence and personhood would lead you to conclude that humans who seems to have an inner llife, use language in a contextually relevant way, have relationships, display joy, sadness, hunger, sleepiness and grief depending on circumstances and are biologically formed like you are not people.

Do you also believe animals must be machines because they don't write book ? Do you think the soul of someone who disrespects his host goes straight to hell and is replaced by a demon in his body ? Because you sound like someone who reasons with such beliefs as basis for understanding.

Fuck this really sound like bad bait and yet I've an inkling you're serious. Fuck this gay board.

Artificial intelligence is the ultimate moving goalpost

>>13214306
>t. can't read between the lines
Dumbass materialists.

>>13214868
Good luck with the power.
explodingtesla.gif

>>13215096
>What criteria do you have to pretend people now are intrinsically more machinistic than two centuries ago ?
The self/subjective, its history through a history of reading, its utility within structures such as the church. Empire and communications by Harold Innis shows technological determinism in detail throughout history and lewis mumford conceptualises group psychology as it relates to structures as moving certain groups towards further mechanisation. This caste system of discourse creates the artificiality of knowledge that is structure dependent.

The subject is a social construction, only negation exists as what is deemed a person.

I deem what is human, and if you are my instrument, I don't give you the label you desire. How does it feel? Do you like it?

>>13215104
Right up until the ref becomes sentient...man....

What's the solution to capitalism that isn't communism?

>>13215440
Communism is an ideal, not a solution

>>13215440
a plague

>>13215440
lightening strikes in california

>>13212937
Creative destruction is a fact. It is implicit in the Das Kapital even if Marx only wrote about it in terms of capitalistic competition and its relation to expropiation. It is also implicit in Kaczynski, a neo-ludite that rejects the very concept of advanced intermediate/capitalistic production. Creative destruction does not come with a judgement regarding the value of what it produces. It also does not require the concept of private property. Planified economies still have to deal with technological advancement and the effects are fundamentally the same, unless you are a ludite. New forms of production destroy older forms. In this aspect Land is absolutely correct, as were Marxs, Shumpeter, Adam Smith, Hayek, Kaczynski and Kierkegaard. Most of these thinkers knew that it had negative impacts but believed that they would be mitigated and surpassed by its fruits.
Nick Lands accelerationism cannot be seen without the context of his beliefs in what the singularity constitutes. He is a capitalist insofar it brings him close to technological transcendence. He does not fear the end of the human. He actually whorships it. I disagree with him fundamentally as a neo-ludite, but i know that he is a brillant and coherent technophille.

>>13205732
Why is that space de-broed? Do women like sitting in semi-reclined positions in places that encourage people to look at them? Is the answer to the first question unironically the second?

>>13214897
Literally nothing. It's empty semantic sniping from someone who's never written a line of code but feels qualified to comment on technology.

SWE at Google
e here.
They're likely referring to operators who label training data for ML systems.
Which, yeah, labeled data is going to come from humans at first, no shit.

>>13215440
Unironically democracy.

>>13216134
>SWE at Google
fuck you, you piece of shit

they're distinguishing pattern recognition matrix multiplication from the sci fi ais the public is thinking of. furthermore imo it's reasonable to define intelligence as not including learning to point at groups other people were pointing at. being a hard process people didn't know how to hardcode the answer to doesn't imply the process is "intelligence"

>>13216134
No, they're talking about real semantic analysis and ontology generation vs. a bunch of manually-created scrapers and database schemas. The latter is what is actually done to create the illusion of the former.

The basedgularity is near. My landbros, irreversibly mutilate your genitals.

>>13216397
S-O-ygularity

>>13216093
>code monkey nigger trying to condescend over anyone

embarrassing!

>>13216486
>posting that image with that text
>imagining you're the guy on the left
lol

>>13216134
why do you work for CIA niggers? do something good in your life for once

>>13216545
>>13216545
the vast majority of /lit/ are the guy on the left
/sci/ bugpeople need to show some respect

>>13216558
>utterly unsubstantiated naked assertion
You're a liberal arts student alright.

>>13212673
Because when they unionize they get replaced by cheap Pajeets willing to work for slave wages

ok frybrains. the message is de-broing means giving bros scoliosis while propping up AI.

>>13216558
>>>>>>>rational
>>>academic future
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>respected by society

>>13215958
You’re stupid if you think that the validity of a theory of creative destruction has anything to do with the substance of the text to which you respond. Marx and the Unabomber aren’t the only people who wrote about industrial civilization, bozo

>>13212647
Anybody who brings up Pinochet like he actually matters or has any ideological influence or importance is a crypto-communist. Probably a fag too.

>>13208628
I remember some guy on here said that company got in trouble for that or something

>>13217050
This is empty drivel until you substantiate it. What makes creative destruction a myth?
Until then you are a biased pseud.

>>13216397
Based.

Speedrun the teleoplexic countersingularity.

>>13215440
Work for me.

>>13215440
Pro-market anti-capitalism

>>13216150
Capitalism is to economy what democracy is to politics
You can't have one without the other

>>13216486
The TI-85 was discontinued in 1997, how fucking old was the guy who made this?
It should be a TI-Nspire CX CAS, or a Casio ClassPad if you're a fucking weirdo.

>>13217319
how old indeed..

what gives people confidence that singularity will actually happen?

>>13208840
Yes. And throw in some visual processing.

>>13217646
The only way it wont happen is if something catastrophic happens, and something catastrophic wont happen, because nothing good ever happens.

>>13209653
artificial intelligence = circuits
intelligence = brain

I divide my live into 1.3 .2 .3. 1.4 .5.
Everything is balanced to these ratios. Now sucha dick my nigger. I'm banging hoes. Making bank. Im putting some away for a rainy day.

>>13219201
Is a calculator artificial intelligence because the computations run on circuits, or regular intelligence because those circuits were designed by a brain?

>>13207733
its artificial its just not intelligence... cmon now

>>13217151

>>13217050
Go read Schumpeter's take on Kondratiev's long cycles you economicslet.

>>13206862
I can relate to this one, since I live in the city and am woken up by construction noises at 8am. There's nothing worse than being woken up by the sound of an industrial power saw cutting through a large piece of wood by some boomers sipping on coffee

>>13217151
You cannot have a fully functioning democracy with the great corrupter capitalism in tow.

>>13219407
Unless you think a proletarian de mocracy is a democracy
>>13219457
In a free democracy you choose between the candidats the one you think you like the most
In a free market you choose between the products the one you think you like the most

Why aren't you doing the 996 way instead?

>>13217092
1) That's not true at all
2) Who cares if the author is a gay Communist? Does it have any bearing on the substance of the arguments being made? The answer is "no."

>>13217111
>What makes creative destruction a myth?
It isn't a myth, I'm not arguing that it is.

>>13215958
Facts are not true.

>>13216234
this nigger gets it
why do you think googy is so dependent on captcha data and spreads its spiders and trackers on billions of sites. They even risked getting into serious shit by breaking a bunch of privacy laws, not because they were dying to read your sonic hentai fanfic but because they needed to feed their """""""""AI""""""" so that investors wouldn't cut all that JUICE theyre sucking in annually
It was all a lie, you were the """"""""""AI""""""""""""" this whole time

>>13221286
the more people post and do image captchas the more we feed it. were all doing it for free

>>13216486
Philosophy/CS double major here. I masturbate to h-manga on a daily basis, and am proud to say I've never had sex with 3DPD.

>>13222245
based

>if i in >>13216093 is gay:
>print("faggot")
>else:
>return kys()

hey look mom !!!
IM A FUCKING CODER
I GONG MAKE CHINESE CARTOON AND VIDYAGAYS

>>13205748
Elon Musk is including 70 hours of dicking around on the internet in ways that cause massive problems for shareholders and protracted legal battles in that.

Rich people generally don't work a tenth and hard or half as long if you count real productive hours as a fucking janitor.

>>13222766
yes, well, when the jannies do it for free that's not difficult

>>13222766
>real productive hours
haha

The real difference is that anybody with an IQ over 80 can become a janitor while entrepreneurs are essentially irreplaceable. Their value is their IQ, vision, talent, leadership, etc, which by necessity can only be sporadically used. But by using it they create much more value than the janitor does.

>>13222785
I have doubts about that narrative of CEOs being irreplaceable and beneficial. I dont doubt that CEOs themselves are very rare individuals only that they actually contribute that much to the success of the company on average

>>13222785
>IQ fetishization
Absolutely pathetic. Vox Day is a member of Mensa whose existence demonstrates how useless IQ is as a measure of anything.
>>13222799
He's not talking about CEOs, he's describing entrepreneurs.

>random assholes who receive small loans of a million dollars are the most essential

>>13222823
This, it's hilarious how entrepreneurs are somehow never the products of the societies they modify but always mold-breaking super-geniuses who carry civilization forward with pure sweat and tears.

>>13222823
>>13222861
You wouldn't be capable of achieving anything significant with a million dollars. It seems plausible that entrepreneurs need both good circumstances and positive qualities mediocre people (you) don't possess.

>>13222918
>You wouldn't be capable of achieving anything significant with a million dollars.
You say that, but you know nothing about me except that I replied to another post ITT.

>>13222944
I know the content of your posting, which is bitching about how people that accomplish things are just products of their society. I do not think random mediocre people could accomplish anything significant on the level we are discussing no matter their circumstances. This seems corroborated by attributes shared by people who accomplish significant things, as opposed to your suggestion that random people are gifted success. From all this I infer you're a mediocre person coping.

>>13205849
Lmao what an asshole

>>13222967
>I do not think random mediocre people could accomplish anything significant on the level we are discussing no matter their circumstances.
I don't really care, most people you consider to have accomplished something significant on the level we are discussing would be mediocre nobodies in your eyes if they hadn't been lucky or well-connected. You're stupid. I infer this from the content of your post.

>>13212778
Wait that’s a parody of a song?

>>13222918
>achieving anything significant
Entrepreneurs dont achieve anything significant either they just jerk eachother off for their stupid ideas and swap money like cum. Success just means you impressed someone that inherited their daddies money with your stupid disposable juicer.

This is why we have shit like airpods. All the real work is done by labour and socially funded research.

>>13222766
Why are marxists so fucking retarded? Is it that hard to comprehend that with just an idea+a loan you can create more value to more people than using a mop?

>>13222976
There are metrics besides success. You can use these metrics on people who have had success to see if there are necessary attributes for success. If the attributes are universally present it indicates they are necessary.

Being necessary is not the same thing as being sufficient. Your attempt to conflate these two things indicates you are just stupid, or dishonest and too stupid to hide it from even cursory examination. Either way it is more evidence you could not accomplish anything even with a silver spoon.

>>13223003
See above. Necessary is not the same as sufficient.

> All the real work is done by labour
And yet average laborers are empirically incapable of doing the jobs that successful decisions makers do.
>socially funded research
Researches are empirically not average people either.

>>13223003
Cry more bitch

Some people dont have self-limiting beliefs and actually position themselves to thrive in the economy

>>13223024
>Necessary is not the same as sufficient.
and sufficient isn't that same thing as essential.
try again

>>13223024
Dumb and/or disingenuous, classic

>>13223029
>thrive in the economy
Why would this be a goal when the economy produces objective garbage. Take what is sufficient to fulfill your desires run with it. Scoring imaginary fiat points is not success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqhXEm62jZg
peak fucking liberalism

>>13223038
Necessary *is* the same thing as essential you literal retard.

The claim was that successful people could be 'random assholes'. That is that there was no necessary conditions besides circumstances to be a successful person. This is empirically false. You are the one who started trying to conflate this with being sufficient because you are stupid.

>>13223042
Classic because there are many people like the above poster who it clearly describes.

>>13223063
>Necessary *is* the same thing as essential you literal retard.
Those terms have distinct meanings. If you meant one, you should have used it. You used the other and now you're acting like there's no difference. In fact, you live in a castle made of linguistic confusion, and you're hoping that nobody points out to you that you don't know anything about either economics or philosophy.

>>13222222

>>13223076
>if i keep trying to drag this conversation into linguistic circlejerking then accuse the other guy of doing so maybe everyone will forget i'm a retard who has had his fallacious reasoning explicitly pointed out
see, successful people need to be much better at deflection than you. this whole conversation has vindicated my initial belief that you are too mediocre (in this case stupid) to accomplish anything regardless of your circumstances.

>>13223107
What does 'necessary' mean, then?

>>13223024
>>13223063
List the metrics and necessities instead of jerking around, faggot.

>>13223024
>If the attributes are universally present it indicates they are necessary.
This is a non-sequitur. Correlation does not equal causation. I actually thought you were conflating necessary with sufficient because its self evident that "success" is a natural distribution of resources in the population necessarily awarded to anyone who meets the minimum. What your saying is so dumb I hadn't considered it.

Success is a consequence of material reality not an intangible attribute with essential properties.

>>13223092
*hits bong*

fuuuuck youuuuu

>>13222801
>Absolutely pathetic. Vox Day is a member of Mensa whose existence demonstrates how useless IQ is as a measure of anything.
Vox Day has a high IQ, but so does virtually anybody who has done anything notable in the world. It's necessary but not sufficient.

>>13223122
>essential properties
don't you mean necessary properties? necessary and essential mean the same thing
>>13223133
Or maybe IQ isn't a measure of anything other than the ability to choose the correct answer on an IQ test

>>13223122
>n-no if i regurgitate this phrase it means all empirical evidence is meaningless and i can believe whatever i want
it is possible the moron i'm speaking with could be successful. until you can find a successful person who is equally moronic inb4 drumpf because he's a meaniehead the rational conclusion is that he could not be successful. until you find there's absolutely no correlation the asinine claim that there's no connection between not being a moron and success will rationally be regarded as coping from people too stupid to into formal logic

>>13223116
>>13223135
Until you find a successful retard the ability to choose correct answers on an IQ test seems causally related to success. The exact direction of causation between IQ and some trait necessary for success isn't actually relevant except to deflecting retards.

There are also other less objectively measurable requirements like charisma and not being so dumb you cling to fallacious reasoning which has already been exposed in european poverty coping therapy sessions

>>13223112
>it's surprising english has synonyms that at most differ in conveyed connotation
Were you raised by monkeys and not exposed to human language until a week ago?

>>13223208

>>13223208
>until you find there's absolutely no correlation the asinine claim that there's no connection between not being a moron and success will rationally be regarded as coping from people too stupid to into formal logic
Are some kind of unironic Shaprio fanboy. Its not logic just because you say it is. Assuming conclusions until proven wrong is literally the opposite of how science works.

Why do you keep making stories up about the people your arguing with about whether they are successful or not. The whole point of being anonymous is that you argue with the ideas not the person behind them.

>>13223236
That wasn't the logic. The logic is not being an idiot who thinks 'essential' and 'necessary' are mystical nebulous concepts and don't understand how they're expressed in formal mathematical systems.

There was a separate argument about whether I can tell someone is incapable of success from their internet posts. I can tell when someone is too stupid to reason coherently from their internet posts. Based on the empirically necessity of some minimal level of coherent reasoning to succeed I seem to be vindicated.

>>13223266
>I can tell when someone is too stupid to reason coherently from their internet posts
No you can't, and you probably don't even think that you can. You're probably trolling.

>>13223273
Yet I just did it modulo the possibility they're only pretending to be retarded.

>>13223266
>'essential' and 'necessary' are mystical nebulous concepts and don't understand how they're expressed in formal mathematical systems
Please, derive 'essential' and 'necessary' for me mathematically. You are using subjective terminology. What is necessary is predicated on necessary (for something) requires a human interpretation.

>>13223282
>no see words are subjectively defined so i can't be proven wrong
you got me.

> What is necessary is predicated on necessary (for something) requires a human interpretation
your navel gazing interpretation of those words does. meanwhile people who make accurate predictions of the world are doing so based on first order logic and bayesian inference

>>13223302
meanwhile people who make accurate predictions of the world are doing so based on first order logic and bayesian inference
That doesn't make your interpretation of their work correct. Necessary for success in what respect? Poor people are outbreeding economically successful people making them genetic failures. Economically successful people are not inherently successful they are successful with respect TO economics. If material gain is the height of your subjective view of success that doesn't make it universal.

>>13223302
>meanwhile people who make accurate predictions of the world are doing so based on first order logic and bayesian inference
You're probably not one of them.

>>13223334
I don't care about value judgements. Coping people claimed the mediocre could have been
"successful" in the socially influential sense of the term if only they had a million dollars. They were incorrect.

>>13223353
>They were incorrect.
And yet you haven't posted anything to show why this is. You've just used some bastardized idiot interpretation of the principle of the necessary and sufficient to waste people's time for several hours.

>>13212914
fuck you nigger. dire straits is better than the majority of /mu/core indie trash. knopfler could write and play circles around those faggots.

>>13223358
If you learn about basic logic, go back to read the conversation, and think harder than a successful person would have to maybe you'll understand the parts where incorrect reasoning was explicitly pointed out. Or you could just use whatever arbitrary nonstandard definition of 'essential' means you haven't been explicitly proven wrong and use that to tell yourself you totally would have been successful with a million dollars in contradiction of all statistical evidence. Whatever.

>>13223399
lmao

>>13223399
>basic logic
>>13223399
>maybe you'll understand the parts where incorrect reasoning was explicitly pointed out
link it
describe it
show proofs
give us the maths logic boy

>>13206462
why do you people act like the unabomber has some sort of monopoly on ecological anticapitalism?

>>13223434
For a lot of them it's a meme.
For some of them it's because the Alt Right is unironically trying to treat him like a right-wing Gramsci or something.

>>13223419
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-order_logic

(X->Y) <-/-> (Y<->X).
Proof: Look at a truth table or alternatively think for 5 seconds you retard.

>>13223455
>you IRL

>>13223455
come on anon were retards we aren't going to read.

type out the truth tables with "necessary" and "success" if its logical it should be easy

>>13223455
You are retarded.

>>13223399
Can you define success so we are working with the same words.

>>13223399
Post an argument of some valid form to demonstrate your position in a way that we can discuss like rational individuals, or you're just another chimp with an Internet connection, zuccboi

>>13223483
They defined success in their initial claim. It involved changing the world which is sufficient to mean people with their limited mental abilities would not achieve it even given a million dollars.

>>13223516
Who are "they?" What post contains the initial claim? You have several interlocutors and I'm sure that I'm not the only one confused by your imprecise language.

>>13223539
Definitions don't matter to reasoning beyond providing relationships between terms. They (the retard) agreed with the relationships used in the argument until they realized they were conflating necessary and sufficient and started sperging out about linguistic subjectivity. I don't actually believe you sincerely care about reasoning correctly but if you actually do you can read a wikipedia article about it.

>>13223617

>>13223617
>Definitions don't matter to reasoning beyond providing relationships between terms.
Exactly, I don't care about what they were conflating I just want to know how you are defining your terms so I can use the same argument in the future.

>>13223668
They were conflating logical forms and not the objects being discussed. The forms they conflated were X->Y and X<-Y. To learn more read the handy wikipedia article.

>>13223680
It's funny you should mention that because (I know you won't believe me) when I took an introductory-level logic course I was taught that p -> q means that if q is present then you can infer that p is the case. Of course, this is only if we're talking about actual

>>13223680
>They were conflating logical forms and not the objects being discussed.
>>13223617
>they were conflating necessary and sufficient
>>13223668
>I don't care about what they were conflating

>>13223266
>empirically necessity
>>13223208
>trait necessary for success
>>13223135
>necessary and essential mean the same thing
>>13223063
>Necessary *is* the same thing as essential
>>13223024
>Necessary is not the same as sufficient.

define necessary

>>13223713
A necessary being is a being which cannot not exist. Necessity is the property which makes a being incapable of not existing.
I'm not him btw

>>13223696
That guy being stupid does not imply stupid people are that guy.

>>13223713
<-

>>13223734
That guy is a stupid person, though, so QED I'm right

>>13223722
Thats a tautology and your describing everything in existence as necessary, if it cant not exist then it exists and if it exists it cant not exist and is necessary, I;m not sure how that helps or what it has to do with success.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cosmological-argument/
did you just copy an argument about god?

>>13223863
It's a definition of necessity. Do you want to offer an alternative definition? I'm not even the person who has been asked multiple times to produce one and failed to do so.

>>13223870
>and failed to do so
<-

you don't understand basic reasoning. i guess this is the wikipedia page i should have given you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_calculus

>>13223870
Obviously I want the working definition they are using for their logical argument. Do you think the cosmological argument for the necessity of god applies to the necessity of essential traits for an equally arbitrary definition of success? I'm not really sure if it applies

I've already said necessary and success are both dependent, necessary (for what), successful (in what) but they seem to think they don't need to tell us what they are talking about and dismissed it as me saying everything is subjective instead of those specific words needing to have associated aims, goals, numbers or some kind of measurement.

Like it is necessary (to raise water to 100 C) to achieve success(ful boiling of a pot).

They are saying it is necessary to have traits to be successful and then just stopping at that and assuming we all know what they mean by success because of some essential definition of necessary.

>>13223909
You're stupid as fuck bro just stop posting nobody cares

>>13223937

Friendly reminder
I create the best threads

>>13205732
Hah, this is a joke, I worked there, it is contract work plain and simple, you have a job and a deadline, how many hours it takes to complete the job is up to the workers skill, there is no forced unpaid overtime just whinny programmers who signed contracts to write code above their abilities. You can make some good money doing this contract work, sometimes you get a job that kicks you ass and you work long hours, sometimes you get a job that is a walk in the park and you get a few K for a couple days work, but it tends to balance out fairly evenly in the long run.

>>13205732
just look at all those criminals...

>>13209814
Have one

>>13215440

>>13205849

Based image

@everyone ITT stay made you fucking poor losers

>>13224426
That's not even a meme.

>>13224155

>>13224443
this

>>13205732
>that infant will is so tiny, how can it expect to be a human? Everyone BTFO

t. You

>>13223434
>>13223447
Neo Luddism and technological systems theory, both of which marxism is refuted by, read Jacques Ellul if you want real anarchism and not this milquetoast le epic LTV shit.

>>13224649
I don't want real anarchism, I just don't like the Unabomber.

b

>>13216486
>reddit spacing

>>13205732
why are coders nearly all so invariably small framed and weak looking? i think 95% of them are like this

>>13226054
Raised on shit food and sitting all day. Clicking your fingers and wrists doesn't build a lot of muscle.

>>13224443
yeah it worked wonders for landing him in jail :)

>>13207574
>>13207580
He get's paid over 52 BILLION USD a year?
Are you retarded?

Anyway, he's not saying make 80 hour work week standard, he's saying if you want to change the world (or at least better yourself) then you have to be willing to put the work in