/lit/ - Literature

>>13192466

You engage in anarchy everyday, you dumb bitch. Shut the fuck up and read Bread Santa.

None. Your first hunch is always correct.

Anarchism just seems like an edgelord ideology for teens just like Fascism, Nazism and Communism.

>>13192466 (OP)
I would suggest looking into 'Anarchism and Other Essays' by Emma Goldman, as this work of hers is specifically focused on providing a window into anarchist thinking.

However, I could also suggest as a first look the first chapter of 'The Conquest of Bread' by Peter Kropotkin, as it isn't that long and focuses the spirit of the whole thing quite well.
If you'd want to dive deeper after reading "the Bread Book", then you could proceed with 'Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution'. It's a natural study on pragmatic and mutually beneficial cooperation that counters Social Darwinism and romanticized ideas of universal, godlike love of man towards his fellow man.

>>13192493
Based centrist

>>13192750
That sounds very interesting; thanks a lot, anon!

You could read some selected essays from Chomsky about anarchism. Also some youtube interviews with him about it are pretty good.

>>13192466
Anarchists are scum who think they should be nobles.

>>13192466
Reiner Schürmann

>>13193281
What a brainlet take. The largest problems with Anarchists are that they're idealists and lifestylists. Also borderline anticommunists since they condemn every revolution except for maybe three, which all lasted a couple of months each.
Read Parenti.

>>13192755
How dare he make his own opinions? I just do what everyone else does lmao.

But has anyone tried a constitutional anarchy?

>>13192493
>just like Fascism, Nazism and Communism.
Dumb

>>13192466
If you don’t want freedom, you’re not going to like anarchism once you figure it out. But if you think freedom is a good idea, do the research.
You want some author recs?

>>13193281
No they just fetishize mob rule and want to participate in that form of domination. Behind every red mask is the face of a tyrant, but nobility is not what they desire.

>>13193457
Ha! No

>>13193473
I have frequently, and from the first commencement of our present unfortunate and disgraceful hostilities, lifted up my voice a feeble one indeed against groupthink.

>>13193473
Oh look this brainlet again

>>13192466
Read the Conquest of bread by Peter Kropotkin.
Also check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jytf-5St8WU&t=422s

>>13193452
Butterfly with the retarded takes as always

>>13192755
Pic very related

>>13193452
>You want some author recs?
Sure.

>>13193498
Nice quotes
I encourage individualism, but it can only go so far. A balance must be made, for the collective made this mess and only they can unmake it. A complex task I’m not sure we’re up to.

>>13193529
I read an anthology called No Gods, No Masters so got a nice sampling of the earliest thinkers including Proudhon, Stirner, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman, Malatesta and others.
They’re all easy reads, made easier with videos online if you like. I like this one >>13193514

>>13193609
Thanks, Butterfly; you're alright.

>>13193609
>Nice quotesI encourage individualism, but it can only go so far. A balance must be made, for the collective made this mess and only they can unmake it. A complex task I’m not sure we’re up to.
Again it's random C&P text from the internet. I've fucked with you for hours doing this. It's funny for awhile until it gets sad. Lose the trip.

>>13193628
>who is the mysterious anonymous?
I plead weakly, indeed, but sincerely, the cause of mankind; and on them, under Goo, I rely for protection against that merciless Spirit which I attempt to explode.

>>13193648
Right, quotes from Crime and Punishment, I’ve noticed them. Nice. Don’t be sad.

>>13193628
Hey, you’re welcome.

>>13193663
You're the most disingenuous person I've ever encountered.

>>13193648
psyop checked & initiated

I could picture it working with like a commune of people who get along well or a society that is smart enough

>>13193663
>Crime and Punishment
CUT AND PASTE YOU FOOL LITERALLY A RANDOM SEARCH OF ALL DIGITIZED TEXTS IN PROJECT GUTENBERG

>>13193682
>society that is smart enough
This is a big thing, don't all these people who want socialism realize it could never exist with niggers?

>>13193663
>Butterfly doesn't know what cut and paste means
MY SIDES

Ivan Illich
Nikolai Berdyaev

>>13193682
It would enable just that. People getting along and raising general intellect.

>>13193704
I am on a literature board and C&P stands for Crime and Punishment. If they’re not from that book, fine. I know what copy/pasta is, I just haven’t read that book

>>13193704

>>13193848
>If they’re not from that book, fine
It's fine if you argue nonsensical points for hours with an ill-intentioned troll using only your confirmation biases to guide you? Holy shit dude.

>>13193848
All you do raze intellect to the ground. Seriously where does that confidence come from? Just feel enabled by female worshipping idiots?

Being a leftist on /lit/ is so much harder with butterfly around.

>>13192466
Anarchism is the easiest way to disregard somebody. If someone is too stupid to understand basic facts about human nature they shouldn't be listened to.
You can't not have a state. Ever. And if you somehow did, a state would form and absorb or crush you. Its like fighting gravity. For Anarchism to work you basically need the most perfect isolated utopian circumstances. All people have to have the same ideas, all people have to be good natured and agree on a social contract (NAP or some other), and trust one another. For obvious reasons this could never happen.
Here's a great documentary that effortlessly debunks communism, anarchism and individualism. https://youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s

>>13192466
no because anarchists dont like cheeseburgers or milkshakes, so they should be lined up and shot.

>>13192493
Fascism and National Socialism at the very least are realist conceptions designed to be practical, not utopian. They actually function.

>>13194067

>human nature

Rambling Descarted. Stop posting, you baboon.

>>13194083
Excellent argument you have there my illiterate reddit spacing anarchist friend!

>>13194044
Back it up. -> >>13194076

>>13194118
Are you disputing something tranny?

>>13194118
Fuck off butterfly

>>13192493

>>13194156
See >>13193522

>>13194104

Human nature, which doesn't mean what you think it does, is entirely dependent on environment and upbringing. People (read: NOT AMERICAN TWATS) are generally helpful and social. If you live in a capitalist shithole (read: AMERICANS) where emphasis is placed on the individual at the expense of others (unless you're a corporation and then you better bring on the welfare!) you're going to have a very shitty view of community or social responsibility. Go back to your liberal cuck propaganda and worship businessmen, burger shit. The world would be a better place if America were nuked. The world would still be a capitalist shithole but at least you wouldn't see people making slightly above minimum wage defending it whilst being shit on by people who don't give a fuck about them or know (or care) they exist.

Also stop being a neotribal lumpenigger. Muh reddit. Muh 4chan. The Internet is absolute garbage since you retards seriously have brand loyalty over fucking websites. Oogabooga, braincel.

>>13194067
Absolute
fucking
y i k e s

>>13194118
holy kek i'll just leave this here

>>13194174
>if you don't like anarchism communism or individualism you must be a free market capitalist
so this is your brain on whatever ideology you follow.
not the guy you replied to

>>13193522
>le murderous ideologies maymay

go back to r/politics with your high school americuck hot takes retard

>>13193452
>freedom
moron

>>13194174
>Human nature, which doesn't mean what you think it does, is entirely dependent on environment and upbringing.
What? Lol!
Are you saying Humans dont have biological imperatives? That's a very pseudoscientific claim. Easily debunked.
>People (read: NOT AMERICAN TWATS) are generally helpful and social.
I'm not American. You're also being extremely vague. What does helpful mean? And yes humans are social creatures, thats part of that "human nature" thing that you just told me doesnt exist.
>If you live in a capitalist shithole (read: AMERICANS)
You're really obsessed with Americans huh. Capitalism is prominent in all western cultures and most eastern cultures today, not just the USA.
>where emphasis is placed on the individual at the expense of others (unless you're a corporation and then you better bring on the welfare!)
I dont understand what you're even saying at this point.
>you're going to have a very shitty view of community or social responsibility.
Ok, I somewhat agree, before capitalism and liberal democracy, when absolutist monarchies controlled the world and people had very little if any social mobility, the lower classes tended to be healthier and more collectivised. Sure. Are you making an argument against Anarchism? Because that's what it sounds like.
>Go back to your liberal cuck propaganda and worship businessmen, burger shit.
Again with the American paranoia. I'm also very much an anti-liberal, lol.
>The world would be a better place if America were nuked. The world would still be a capitalist shithole but at least you wouldn't see people making slightly above minimum wage defending it whilst being shit on by people who don't give a fuck about them or know (or care) they exist.
Ok can you stop with the American stuff now and make a point?
>Also stop being a neotribal lumpenigger. Muh reddit. Muh 4chan. The Internet is absolute garbage since you retards seriously have brand loyalty over fucking websites. Oogabooga, braincel.
My brain is melting
What is your point??

???

>>13194222
That person was surely just kidding.

>>13194187
Absolute
no
a r g u m e n t s

>What is your point??
Willful ignorance or simply trolling.
It doesn’t even matter

>>13194212
>shitty strawman comic
>le
reddit-tier word
>americuck
im Canadian
Cry centrist all you want, but I'll be laughing when your "benevolent" dictator sends you to a labour camp where you starve to death.

>>13194067

>>13194259
Dont you ever wonder why every time communism has been tried it ends up a totalitarian dictatorship that is nothing like communism?

>>13194237
>frogposter
>a fucking leaf
>centrist skeptic
You cant make this shit up
The new age fedora

>>13194281
I'm not even centrist. I'm a social democrat.
>new age fedora
im also Christian

>>13194320
>social democrat
PHHHAHAHAHAHA

>>13194320
That is centrist!
and only Christcucks keep folders of fat guys in hats!

>>13194331
Burger, go away.

>>13194331
>t. doesn't know what social democracy is
read up little one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
I'm also socially conservative you dunce.

>>13194339
>That is centrist!
No it's not retard

>>13194273
Communism has never been tried. Those socialists regime from the 20th century, was a way to communism, socialism! But yeah, the totalitarian stuff it's mostly because Stalin and Mao. You should read about Thomas Sankara and his government in Burkina Faso, a country in Africa. I like to read about those regimes, and I think that their main problem was the economy. That centrally planned economy didn't work out very well. Damn, even in Stalin's USSR they banned some statistcs theories, just because those theories confronted the planned economy.

>>13194202
the pedo cheerleader posts under his same trip, fuck chan never fails to satisfy

>>13194353
Let’s see, left of monarchists and classical “free market” liberalism. Right of libertarian-socialism, anti-capitalism anti-statism.
Maybe upper right corner of the green field of that way chart, are you? Go Yellow Vests, ra. Hm?

>>13194346
Not American, tranny.

>>13194353
>Social Democrats
>Socially conservative
>liberal democratic polity and capitalist mixed economy
>conservative
>income redistribution
>conservative
>egalitarian and solidaristic
>conservative
>"Social democracy originated as a political ideology that advocated an evolutionary and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism using established political processes in contrast to thel revolutionary approach to transition associated with orthodox Marxism."
>conservative
Give me a fucking break retard.

>>13194399
I’ve never promoted the pedos around here of course. Slanderer responding to his own post

>>13194380
>Communism has never been tried

>>13194403
How embarrassing for you.

>>13194416
>I believe everything the pentagon tells me!

>>13194076
This. Except for the Fascism part. Fascism is pretty much just authoritarian corporatism.

>>13194380
Ok sorry I'm done laughing
I know about Sankara. He's one of the few commies I can respect.

>>13194409
What would you gain from posting on /lit/ with a trip? Mind I ask.

>>13194403
It's not even worth responding to you because you have no idea what socially or culturally conservative means. Secondly you cherry picked pieces of the article. Social democracy is now in favour of a mixed economy.

>>13194425
>my brand of authoritarian corporatism isn’t actually fascism because we called it National Socialism
Stupid liberals

>>13194424
Why do you seem so asshurt right now?

>>13194436
so younger impressionable kids can find me easily. pedo is not a crime

>>13194438
ip dodger has some incoming butthurt enjoy your nap

>>13194436
Hi newb. I originally posted here without the need for a trip. For several years. People started posing as me and they got us all banned. He seems the board owners/inventors gave us the option to use tripcodes
All cultists of Anonymity can go to the anonymous board >>>/b/

Sorry. I get asked all the time

>>13194380
Please fucking read Parenti and stop with the "communism has never been tried" shit. I'm a commie and it's fucking embarrassing. Anarchists and idpol are the fucking bane of leftism and make me more and more pessimistic with every fucking passing day.

>>13194425
>This. Except for the Fascism part. Fascism is pretty much just authoritarian corporatism.
Well so is National Socialism. In fact that argument applies more to NatSoc than Fascism. They were both corporatist economies.
Fascism was more about subordinating the economy to the "spiritual society."
But they are very similar. The only real difference is NatSoc was racist and Fascism was not.
If you dispute this take it up with Oswald Mosley. Pic related. I should post more from this book, its really good.

>>13194438
You seem well educated but you really ruin it when you post retarded shit like >>13194424
Also tripfagging when you have literally no reason to. You could be a lot less annoying and I probably would enjoy your contribution to threads because you clearly have done a lot of reading.

>>13194438
>Control aspects of corporations that may infringe upon people's rights
>Make sure central banks don't become predatory and abolish international finance
>Socialize many aspects of society
>Have the entire basis of your ideology revolve around racial lines
Yeah man, National Socialism is totally Fascism

>>13194463
See here, there are many more differences.
>>13194467

>>13194445
I ate a lot of spicy recently. How are you?

>>13194446
Pedo is worse than a crime.

>>13194477
"Lying lips are an
abomination to the Lord: but is it a lie to put murderers off the
scent of blood?" To that question finding no answer, she may have made
up her mind in this way: "Well, I don't know, but I'll risk it."

>>13194467
>Control aspects of corporations that may infringe upon people's rights
Thats what Corporatism does
>Make sure central banks don't become predatory and abolish international finance
They didn't do this though. They planned to but didnt. Same with the Fascists in Italy.
>Socialize many aspects of society
This is very vague but again thats what Corporatism is.
>Have the entire basis of your ideology revolve around racial lines
The only major difference. But Fascism eventually adopted race policy too.
>Yeah man, National Socialism is totally Fascism
They literally are the same movement.

>>13194427
No problem. Yeah Sankara, was the best, it's a shame that he was murdered. Some people argue that if he had more control like Stalin, he wouldn't end up been murdered, but having the power that Stalin had, isn't a good thing. I think that those people have never read Machiavelli

>>13194467
It totally is.
Which is the green text supposed to represent?

>>13194462
How can communism work if the working class doesn't have class consciousness?

>>13194457
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>13194463
Posting more from my boy Oswald.

>>13194493
>Which is the green text supposed to represent?
The office of law is not to loose, but to bind. It declares, not what
the subject may do, but what he must or must not. It does not bring
liberty, but restriction. Therefore, if any one wishes to assert a
restriction, he must go to a law to prove it. If he can find none,
liberty remains. The law is laid on liberty. Keep up.

>>13192466
https://c4ss.org/

There's not a lot of good anarchist literature desu. But then, you sort of wouldn't expect there to be.

>>13194499
How can it work unless the ruling class give up their class?

>>13194504

>>13194499
By forcing them to be free through a powerful vanguard party.
What I'm trying to say is that anarchists are well meaning but ultimately their project is doomed to be destroyed by right wing populism overtaking their movement every time.

>>13193445
This would be a good idea.

>>13194516

>>13192480
>>13192493
>>13193242
>>13193323
>>13193452
>>13193514
>>13193704
>>13193938
>>13194044
>>13194074
>>13194222
>>13194237
>>13194281
>>13194331
>>13194399
>>13194403
>>13194409
>>13194445

Have children

>>13194457
Back2reddit

>>13194535
>Have children
based pedo moslem pepe

>>13194499
I don't believe it can, but anarchists/idpol are completely fucking it up for everyone by making leftist groups entirely unappealing to the working class. Butterfly is a great example of someone so awful that I would like to believe it's all a psyop if I didn't know any trans people irl.
The reason I find trans people so fucking annoying and poisonous is because I actually hang around them and they're liberals that spend all of their time poisoning left movements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkttzU86CFE

>>13194467
Who is correct: Respected historians and political scientists/philosophers from the past half a century OR some anon on 4chan with meme arrows.
We may never know.

>>13194519
Also read this!!
I cant stress how important it is for people to read this.
I wish people would learn what Corporatism actually is so we can discuss it, to me its the obvious blend of socialim and capitalism that at the same time is neither.
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-Xm3KNoxQuBK9mHlX/page/n5

>>13194512
What? A bunch of blogs? There’s lots of great writers in anarchist thought

>>13194535
I have not found the right woman or women yet. Know any?

>>13194538
>>>/b/

>>13194493
NS
>>13194486
Corporatism allows private industries to hold real influence over politics. National Socialism puts the foot down of the state and doesn't allow those shenanigans to take place. Think of the Teapot Dome Scandal x10. Not to mention Fascists didn't socialize, they left it to private companies. Also.
>They didn't do this though. They planned to but didnt. Same with the Fascists in Italy.
Yes, they did. They did it by abolishing their old shitty currency and backing a new currency with gold and labor. They completely revitalized the German economy by refusing to pay back their, *Completely unfair and crippling* debt. The first order of business they had was expelling Jews from political positions so they could hold sway enough to expel them from financial positions and put the reigns of the economy back in German hands. The fascists cooperated with them.

>>13194516
Look, I'm not an anarchist, so I don't believe in that magic solution that anarchists have that we can destroy capitalism and the state. And then we can create a stateless and anti-capitalist society. I see socialism as a way to communism, and the use of the state as a revolutionary tool, that maybe a little bit of authoritarism it's necessary to defend against the bourgeoisie. I just don't understand your point about my sentence "communism has never been tried". I know Richard Wolff, he's really good, I'll check this book.

>>13194527
I agree with you, I'm not an anarchist.

Holy moly this thread exploded.

>>13194562
>Corporatism allows private industries to hold real influence over politics.
No! Stop conflating Corporatism with business Corporations! Corporatism comes from the latin word for body; Corpus. It literally just means group. Synonymous with Syndicate or Guild. Its literally just state enforced Syndicalism.
Its literally a socialist nationalist theory.
>National Socialism puts the foot down of the state and doesn't allow those shenanigans to take place. Think of the Teapot Dome Scandal x10. Not to mention Fascists didn't socialize, they left it to private companies. Also.
What on EARTH are you talking about..
>They did it by abolishing their old shitty currency and backing a new currency with gold and labor. They completely revitalized the German economy by refusing to pay back their, *Completely unfair and crippling* debt.
No they didnt. They wanted to but they couldnt nationalise the banks.
>The first order of business they had was expelling Jews from political positions so they could hold sway enough to expel them from financial positions and put the reigns of the economy back in German hands.
You sound like you've just read a Nazi pamphlet and you really don't understand the actual workings of the state.
Here's a fantastic video that goes very in depth into the Nazi economy. Its a breakdown of The Wages of Destruction, a great book.
https://youtu.be/0nBQeMH5mEI

>The fascists cooperated with them.
The Fascists pioneered the ideas that Hitler adopted.

Please read:
>>13194463
>>13194545

>>13194592
>The Wages of Destruction
Adam Tooze's book is actually awesome

>>13194586
Its a /pol/ thread but with actual discussion for once.

>>13194540
I get and I agree with you. The left nowadays isn't looking to the class struggle, they are lost with LGBT struggle. While the class struggle and I would add the environmental problem, it's still going and worse than ever.

>>13194549
Yes but I would never suggest them someone who LARP's as Butterfly

>>13194586
edit: wow, this thread really blew up!
edit 2: thanks for the gold, kind stranger! :D

>>13194569
I'm not him I'm the Parenti poster but I think you should read some of Lenin's writing because you're getting close to exiting the autistic purist anarchist mentality but coming just slightly short. The state is absolutely necessary to defend against reactionary forces internally and abroad.
I think what you would enjoy is about Lenin is that he also hated the state, but was painfully realistic about how it would be destroyed, and recognized that it would be a very long, arduous process. Lenin recognized that class conflict would continue in socialism and that the state would be necessary because of the opposing classes still antagonist under socialism.
The "communism has never been tried" argument needs to be abandoned because it's just blatantly false and isn't giving credit where credit is due. Socialism has been attempted and it was crushed.

https://youtu.be/FUWrgLpazwE

>>13194598
Yeah great book. Dispels a ton of misconceptions about the Nazi economy.

>>13194601
Want to know why it's good? It's because when you discuss the ins and outs of an ideology it's actual discussion rather than shit slinging back and forth about which one is better.

>>13194569
Well, state-capitalism/state-socialism hasn’t worked out so well and it’s got a lot of reactionary enemies that won’t give “little bit of authoritarianism” another chance. Hope you find the book helpful

>>13194606
Aww. Well, I’m probably too old for em

>>13194636
>calling the USSR state capitalist
only butterfly does that.
Holy shit. Butterfly it's actually you. Why did you change your tripcode?

>>13194642
Noam Chomsky also knows this.

>>13194618
Thanks anon, I was very attracted by anarchism, but I don't see how it would work in a huge country, you know. It may work on a municipal level, that's why we have such theories like libertarian municipalism. But I always try to think about where I live and question myself "Would it work here?", and for anarchism, the answer is no. The bourgeoisie would overtrow it in less than a week. I'll read Lenin's work.

>>13194651
>chomsky
Please stop

>>13194651
chomsky thinks the us is state capitalist hes a brainlet

>>13193323
>Read Parenti
BASED

>>13194651
Chomsky is a retard who the fuck listens to Chomsky

>>13194666
Prince of lies has spoken
>>13194706
And then same-fagged

>>13194654
State and Revolution by Lenin is an ideal place to start if you're primarily interested in what he had to say anarchists and using the state to defend revolution.

Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti would be best contemporary place to start, as well as the best entry to Parenti.

I'm glad to hear this from anarchists though, I wish more would talk about it in good faith.

>>13194067
>basic facts about human nature
Hey I don't think 13 year olds can be on 4chan even the safe boards.

>>13194721
Retard

>>13194721
>>>13194666Prince of lies has spoken>>13194706And then same-fagged
Again it's the C&P dude here, well I'm done with this for tonite. You wasted all that time arguing with yourself to my meaningless text.

>>13194732
I like how you still havent made a single argument

>>13194779

>>13194732
pretending human nature doesn't exist doesn't make you sophisticated by association with the dishonest bigbrained academics that have pushed that perspective

>>13194779
a thousand keks 2U

>>13194787
Pfff

Read any Jack Vance?

>>13194792

Is Gnome Chompsky how leftists cope with having no important intellectuals on their side?

Did butterfly really change their trip after getting caught out as a massive retard today?

>>13194729
Yeah, anarchists have a closed mind, not all of them of course. They love to use the Bakunin's criticism about the use of the state as a revolutionary tool. But they don't have a self criticism. There are interesting ideas, you should take a look at an author called Murray Bookchin. He has some interesting ideas about social ecology and libertarian municipalism. His ideas inspired the peoples from Rojava.

>>13194729
Thanks for the books recommendations.

>>13194824
I have switched trips often enough. Why do you care?

>>13194806
Did you go through the trouble of shopping that hand on there?

>>13194816
There are important intellectuals on the left but they're old. I think the leftist problem right now with intellectuals is that there aren't any younger ones that stand out.

>>13194824
All thanks to me & my little dingus that I use to tap out little titbits of torture on a dirty staples keyboard

>>13194842
The left lost the youth is why. And that's pretty significant considering the left wing is generally considered to be younger voters.

>>13194848
What is with that guy and drawing uncanny valley red men laughing

>>13194864
it's kewl

>>13194864

>>13194842
>>13194850
The 19th and 20th centuries were the centuries of the liberal left
The 21st century will be the century of the right wing

>>13194790
someone already made one here
>>13194174
If you cant understand that I can't really help you, Maybe read a book. Human nature is malleable and adapts to its environment. Static essentialism based on what currently is available to your own perspective of rather than a comprehensive analysis of biological anthropology is incredibly brainlet. Youre probably not even aware that your replicating protestant ideology.

>>13194885
He didnt make a single argument he just ranted about Americans
See my response:
>>13194222

>>13194882
reddit cant meme

>>13193323
a big reason a lot of them are borderline anticommunist is because authcoms either attach them during revolutions, or take them over and gulag them after working together to win. look what happened during the Spanish civil war or what the Soviets did to the black army.

>>13194885
Also
>If you cant understand that I can't really help you, Maybe read a book.
I have read plenty of books. More than you evidently.
Burden of proof is on you, you're disputing that human biology and genes have no impact on behaviour, which is flat out pseudo-scientific, so you need to provide evidence.
>Human nature is malleable and adapts to its environment.
That's like saying, put a Deer in a Lion enclosure in a Zoo and it'll become a Lion.
Are you disputing Humans have their own animalistic tendencies? That sounds like what you're doing but I wouldn't have thought anybody could be so retarded as to actually make that claim.
>Static essentialism based on what currently is available to your own perspective of rather than a comprehensive analysis of biological anthropology is incredibly brainlet.
But thats projection anon.
>Youre probably not even aware that your replicating protestant ideology.
You probably dont know what the hell you're talking about but using big words reassures you that you're smert big brain

>>13194897
I don’t think China has a that site. Stop advertising for it, you wobbly kneed anemic

>>13194885
And lastly before you can even type out another buttfuckingly stupid post I'll just win the argument right now.
There is something called twin studies, and extensive tests have been done on behavioural genetics with twins. It proves beyond reasonable doubt that genes do impact behavior in a very large way.
>Behavior geneticists concluded that genetics plays a big role in personality, accounting for about half of the differences in personality test results and even more of the differences in IQ scores.
>Apart from these scientific findings, researchers were impressed by many obvious similarities between twins when they were reunited for the first time after being separated from birth. Many of the pairs dressed similarly, or had the same haircut, or glasses. They described remarkable similarities in hobbies and interests. One pair reported that they were the only ones in their neighborhood to construct a circular bench around a tree in their back yard.

>>13194887
>he just ranted about Americans
everything he said about americans applies to any western english speaking internet connected person. I replied with that response in mind not knowing its yours, again if you cant understand I cant help you. If you have specific questions I can elaborate.

Whatever activity people are engaging in is "human nature" because its a natural response to environmental stimuli. Assuming "human nature" is essential is to apply static external attributes to individuals whether they apply or not and label deviations as "unnatural". Generally people who talk about human nature to refer to biological imperatives are not talking about eating and sleeping but like you extending that to abstract social positions. Commonly this is used to say that women are essentially baby makers and those that don't marry and have children are defective. To talk about something more materiel, the concept of a vacuum of power only exists when certain environmental factors are at play, such as private ownership of resources necessary to fulfill actual biological imperatives like eating and sleeping. A quick overview of history will show you that pre-agricultural societies did not have states so this vacuum of power did not exist as sedentary agriculture necessitates the conception of private property.

The idea of territory/property power domination over others etc is predicated on modeling society after solo predatory animals like hawks and eagles via Egypt through Zoroastrianiasm into Abrahamic religions and solidified under neoliberal capitalism with the protestant religion in colonialism. What your are doing is taking the world as it is in 2019 and assuming that through essentialist labelling of others as they fit into your conception of the world you have been experiencing that anarchy is impossible because people in your environment don't act that way.

>before you can even type out another buttfuckingly stupid post

same hope that helps

>>13194951
I can keep going forever and write pages on any of this so ask away.


>>13194933
>There is something called twin studies
put a twin in the jungle or shut the fuck up liberal

>>13194951
>>13194953
Human nature exists beyond any reasonable doubt. Humans are animals like any other. Please finish high school.

>>13194076
>brainlet doesn't know marx and engles BTFO the utopian communists a century and a half ago
then again, this is the board that refuses to even read marx because DUDE BREADLINES LMAO

>>13194976
Yeah because the commie pamphlet is so fucking huge and complex
lmao
Marx is a brainlet

>>13194981
>the commie pamphlet
did people really not learn after peterson?

>>13194984
Are you saying the commie manifesto ISNT a glorified pamphlet?

>>13192466
> Which authors can change my mind?
>>13193452
>You want some author recs?

>>13194992
are you saying that marxism is solely developed in a pamphlet?

>>13194998
You dodged my question kid

>>13194971

>>13195005
I made an argument backed up by countless genetic studies
You havent made an argument
Please learn what an argument is Molycuck

>>13194992
The Communist Manifesto is a pamphlet. It was created for a very specific time and place and shouldn't even be read today in my opinion. Read Marx's actual theory, you could even go back and read Early Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 and you'd have a far better basic understanding of marxism.

>>13195014
>backed up by countless genetic studies
No you didn't and you didn't address anything I said. You showed that twins raised under modernity living in modern cities with different parents have similar interests. Would they both play Cricket if they were raised in America? Would they both build circle benches around a tree if one was in the desert? The fact that you didn't even respond to the joke about raising a kid in the jungle shows you lack the understanding to engage with this.

>>13194996
>can’t you tell anons apart? Cha!

>Willful ignorance or simply trolling.

Christian anarchism is based

>>13195053
Why are you still pretending to be smart retard.

>>13195081
Read this yet?

>>13194976
Communism is the stupidest thing about marx though. His thoughts on class were great but communism is both idealistic and would potentially cement the ruling class.

>>13195053

>>13195031
>read Early Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844
Is this a good entry point if I don't wanna dedicate all that time to read Die Kapital at the moment?

>>13195084
You’ve read Bakunin?

>>13195083
Just to let you know you've been outed as a pedo in another thread. I'm mad af at you.

>>13195083
What's reading even like for you? What do you think about while the words through your head because it's so obvious you don't know a goddamn thing.

>>13192466

Certainly not Julien Coupat, one of the most insufferable, up his own asshole writers ever to have contributed to its literature. Whether it's Tiqqun or Invisible Committee, it's always a bunch of whining from him.

Happily, his whining is wholly ineffectual. Empire wins. Capital wins. Suck it, Coupat, and suck it you in this thread who shall not be named.

>>13195091
Is there a real, unconscious, subterranean movement towards communism? And is the task’ of
revolutionaries to ‘understand’ this movement by bringing it into the open, and thus redeeming
themselves with a godly importance?

>>13195036
>No you didn't and you didn't address anything I said.
Because I dont have to. You are empirically wrong. I'm not going to waste any more time on your silly theories until you can show me how geneticists are wrong.

>>13195031
Why does it feel like every so called marxist on this board has his own special version of "true marxism"
I'm honestly not interested in this fat materialist jewish fuck to sit there and read any more than I have to. I've read about half of Capital and I read the Manifesto. I have a good enough idea of what he believes. So please explain to me what you think "true marxism" is.

>>13195161

You haven't read half of Capital. What you mean to say is that you've read half of its first volume.

>>13195090
Yeah, it's shorter, touches on basically every topic including the more social/philosophical ideas like alienation.

>>13195094
I am not a pedophile. I have always reported them when I see them. You’re the jackass who impersonated me.

>>13195103
People are plenty conscious of the oppression and the solutions presented to them. The French for one are all mad, some are far left, some just want glorious soc-dem tranquilizers. We need more understanding of course

>>13195181
There's a part 2? I'm even happier i dropped it. Boring as fuck.

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>>13195193
>>>13195103 (You)People are plenty conscious of the oppression and the solutions presented to them. The French for one are all mad, some are far left, some just want glorious soc-dem tranquilizers. We need more understanding of course
Ooops C&P again this is alot of fun!

>>13195193
I reported that pedophile thread about 4 hours ago and the report is still pending.
Mods just dont exist on this board do they.

>>13195161
I never said anything about "true marxism" I just said that the manifesto is a bad entry to marxism because its irrelevant today and hardly contains any of Marx's actual theory. If you've tried to read Capital and aren't interested then so be it, dont read anymore marx, but also don't build strawmen and accuse everyone of being a purist for recommending a specific text.

>>13195201
Dude, let me thank you for all your amazing work. That operation is checked, saved & much appreciated. Up the Frogposters!

>>13195214
I dont see how Marx BTFO utopian ideologies when he himself is a utopian, thats what I'm getting at

>>13195201
What else you wanna know?

>>13195208
They ban the IP not the trip. I don’t even post in /lgbtqwerty/

>>13195208
Are you talking about that Lolita thread?

>>13195234
I meant the lolita thread not your post.

>>13195241
ye

>>13195231
The vast majority of Marx is an analysis of capitalism and he hardly says anything about building socialism. The real BTFO of utopians came from Lenin, who was very much against idealism.

>>13195257
this

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>>13194545
Give me 1 reason why this is wrong

>>13195152
>until you can show me how geneticists are wrong
They aren't wrong you are misinterpreting the scope of their data. It doesn't demonstrate human nature at all. I already showed you how you could improve the experiment but we don't even need to do that because its self evident that people in different environments behave differently. Changing 1 or 2 variables out of hundreds if not millions does not constitute a meaningful data with regards to the effect of environment on genetics. Like I already said they cant both build benches around trees if they aren't both raised in a temperate climate with such trees. They wouldn't both choose the same brand of glasses if one was in a place where that brand does not sell etc

>>13195384
Humans have natural tendencies. The vast vast majority of humans want to fuck the opposite sex because its hardwired into our brains. Just like we are hardwired with a tribal mentality. Just like many other animals. This can not only be easily observed but its also proven by things like twin studies that show even isolated twins brought up in very different enviroments share common behaviours. You're underestimating the scope of what twin studies show us. They show us that genetics determines behaviour, and everyone has genes.

>>13195384
>>13195417
And to bring it back to your argument; you said that Human nature is entirely dependant on enviroment and upbringing. Which is false. You are wrong. There's nothing more I can add.

>>13195417
>tendencies
>vast majority
>hardwired
nice shifting goalposts you got there
>twins brought up in very different enviroments
two modern cities in the same region with the same language, same jobs, same schools, with the same TV shows, and so on under the same social system are "very different environments" to you?
>genetics determines behaviour,
>determines
no it doesn't, at best it suggests a range of possible behaviors

>The strong dichotomy of nature versus nurture has thus been claimed to have limited relevance in some fields of research. Close feedback loops have been found in which "nature" and "nurture" influence one another constantly, as seen in self-domestication. In ecology and behavioral genetics, researchers think nurture has an essential influence on nature.[14][15] Similarly in other fields, the dividing line between an inherited and an acquired trait becomes unclear, as in epigenetics[16] or fetal development.[17][18]

>Heritability refers to the origins of differences between people. Individual development, even of highly heritable traits, such as eye color, depends on a range of environmental factors, from the other genes in the organism, to physical variables such as temperature, oxygen levels etc. during its development or ontogenesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture

> you said that Human nature is entirely dependant on enviroment and upbringing.
that wasn't me, and I'm not defending anarchism here either

>>13195459
>nice shifting goalposts you got there
I havent shifted the goalposts you're just mental.
>two modern cities in the same region with the same language, same jobs, same schools, with the same TV shows, and so on under the same social system are "very different environments" to you?
What study are you referring to?
But thats entirely beside the point, it wouldn't matter how large the isolation was, because we know for a fact that genes determine behavior.
>no it doesn't, at best it suggests a range of possible behaviors
No you fucktard, it DOES determine behavior. Even more so than enviroment or upbringing.
>The heritability of human behavioral traits is now well established, due in large measure to classical twin studies. We see little need for further studies of the heritability of individual traits in behavioral science, but the twin study is far from having outlived its usefulness.
>In his characteristically colorful language, twin researcher David Lykken occasionally remarked that “Behavior genetics rearranged the furniture in psychology's house” by showing again and again that virtually every trait, from social attitudes to psychopathology, shows genetic influence. It was no Saturday afternoon whim arising out of boredom when behavior genetics moved the behavioral chair over near the genetic lamp. The new arrangement was more accurate: The chair was better placed for scientific reading. By now we have a fundamental understanding that genetic influences are involved in all aspects of psychology and behavior. Turkheimer (2000) even enshrined this as the First Law of Behavioral Genetics, and the law actually underlies all of behavioral science.
>Classic twin studies carried out by literally hundreds of researchers have provided an abundance of evidence for this. Throughout the world, perhaps 800,000 pairs of twins have been collected into more than 50 different study samples.

I rest my case.

>that wasnt me
You inherited the argument.
You made this post >>13194885

I don't want to make assumptions but your references to biological imperatives and twin studies makes me think you read the Bell Curve once and now yours projecting liberal ideology onto Darwins theory of evolution. Survival of the fittest refers to species, not individuals, sexual reproduction is not a biological imperative like eating, and sleeping. You personally not getting laid doesn't harm your species.

>>13195490
>I havent shifted the goalposts you're just mental.
you have and your doing it again
>What study are you referring to?
literally every twin study. the fact that they are twins means they gestate in the same environment. Are you actually incapable of realizing that someone in a city with no basketball courts won't grow up to play basketball even if his twin does?
>genetic influence
influence is not determinant, dont say genetics determines behavior when it INFLUENCES it if you don't want to be wrong. Genetics determines that you have hands and feet, not the behavior that you jerk yourself off all day.

>>13195490
>>The heritability of human behavioral traits is now well established, due in large measure to classical twin studies.
>>13195459
>Heritability refers to the origins of differences between people. Individual development, even of highly heritable traits, such as eye color, depends on a range of environmental factors, from the other genes in the organism, to physical variables such as temperature, oxygen levels etc.

I wonder if twins have the same temperature, oxygen levels etc during gestation. really does me a think

>>13195499
Oh my god anon, just learn to admit you were wrong. You said Human nature is purely environmental. It isn't. Hairsplitting over the definition of determine vs influence is irrelevant to the argument. This is YOU moving the goalposts.
>
>I don't want to make assumptions but your references to biological imperatives and twin studies makes me think you read the Bell Curve once and now yours projecting liberal ideology onto Darwins theory of evolution. Survival of the fittest refers to species, not individuals, sexual reproduction is not a biological imperative like eating, and sleeping. You personally not getting laid doesn't harm your species.
>>I havent shifted the goalposts you're just mental.
>you have and your doing it again
>>What study are you referring to?
>literally every twin study. the fact that they are twins means they gestate in the same environment. Are you actually incapable of realizing that someone in a city with no basketball courts won't grow up to play basketball even if his twin does?
>>genetic influence
>Genetics determines that you have hands and feet, not the behavior that you jerk yourself off all day.
*facepalm*
Read the journal entry again:
>[classical twin studies have shown] again and ahain that virtually every trait, from social attitudes to psychopathology, shows genetic influence.
And further, relating to your hairsplitting over influence vs determine:
>the sheer volume of evidence from twin studies and the corroborating evidence from adoption studies and studies of other combinations of relatives makes it unreasonable to deny the presence of genetic influences on behavior. And because the genotype pre-exists all behavior, these genetic influences have to be considered causal at some level.

As for Anarchism, to get back to the main point of the thread, it cannot work unless the perfect set of circumstances exist. There is nothing stopping someone from simply forming a state and steamrolling the individual. All it takes is one charismatic person to form a following, or for someone to offer a service, or for someone to simply have a dominating personality.

>>13195523
>You said Human nature is purely environmental.
No I didn't. I said human nature is malleable and adapts to its environment. I did in fact imply that behavior is purely environmental because it is. Whoever said that was likely building on your assumptions ie "which doesn't mean what you think it does". You are arguing that human nature is behavior and behavior is genetics. I'm not hairsplitting I'm being precise. Different words mean different things.
>As for Anarchism, to get back to the main point of the thread, it cannot work unless the perfect environment exists.
Thanks for making my argument for me.

>>13195552
>behavior is purely enviromental
How fucking thick can you be.
Behavior is genetic AND environmental. Enviroment can affect heritability. But heritability IS a factor. Beyond any doubt.
Just read the full thing:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2899491/

>thanks for making my argument for me
I dont understand you at all. You're a very strange person.

>>13195193

T. pedophile and /homo sacer/, a non-legal person who may consequently legitimately be killed, but who yet may not be /sacrificed/; an example of "bare life", much as it is hated and expulsed by right-thinking persons, it yet has a regrettable aspect of humanity which obliges us to acknowledge such.

>>13192466
Frank Herbert

>>13194535
This is an absolutely amazing post

>>13194067

Shut the fuck up, Hobbesian.

>>13192493
based but unironically
getting sick of the constant faggy political bluster desu cunt

>>13194951
Everything in this post except
>Assuming "human nature" is essential is to apply static external attributes to individuals whether they apply or not and label deviations as "unnatural".
are just arguments against anarchism, and even then it is because this one statement is logically unsound. Human nature is not "essential", just like you said, instead it permeates all societies. Nobody claims it is "essential" to anything, it is a constant that exists within anything humans do. I completely agree with the point that whatever people engage with is a result of human nature, but not all people engage in is supportive of human nature, thus a self-destruction begins. The goal here is to balance between extreme conservatism and extreme liberalism, as one leads to stagnation and death and the other to eventual self-destruction.

>What your are doing is taking the world as it is in 2019 and assuming that through essentialist labelling of others as they fit into your conception of the world you have been experiencing that anarchy is possible because people in your environment could theoretically act a certain way.
Ftfy

>>13194067
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>>13194971
>"If it is held that man is "by nature" an uninventive tribesman and an inventive businessman, a submissive slave and a proud craftsman an independent hunter and a dependent wage-worker, then either man's "nature" is an empty concept, or man's "nature'' depends on material and historical conditions, and is in fact a response to those conditions. "

"The Ego and its own" by Max Stirner

>>13194076
National Socialism is an idealist ideology.

>>13194076
While Anarchism is a very silly concept (I’d much rather debate in a relatively advanced observational-Economic realm with Lausanne school, Game Theorists, and economists like Schumpeter who use terminology developed over long periods of analysis with no bias), you must understand that National Socialism WAS, in part, born during a fervent period of Marxist study. In other words, although National Socialism wasn’t Marxist by name, there were other movements going on at the time in Russia and elsewhere which were. And National Socialism was also a worker party movement.

These events had such similar causes that some political theorists/philosophers like Hayek actually conflated fascism and communism. Now as far as economic control goes, perhaps this is more correct, but politically I would never go that far.

But you must admit that there are certain causes which inevitably led to the movement which were borne coeval with similar Marxist movements. They are all materialist philosophies, and if you link National Socialism with Communism, you realize that the actual death toll of Marxist philosophies is much higher than you yet realize.

This is the end result of adopting completely materialist, Communist, Darwinian philosophies within your engine. This is the chaos you get— mass death for all.

No, those systems did not function well. :3

anarchism works, of course, as all ideologies work, if you 'really' try them. until people address that bourgeois liberalist ideologies like anarchism, fascism, marxism, feminism, etc. are all based on the metaphysics of presence then people will make excuses why x ideology failed and x ideology hasn't 'really' been tried until the end of time. the metaphysical 'nature' of universal man is he can grow into the perfect (ideological) subject if subjected to the right experiences as he grows. anarchism is right that education, justice, etc and other such functions of a western society based on metaphysics can be carried out outside of dedicated institutions, but by the same token it is wrong in that an ideology based on metaphysics can persist without such institutions.

>>13194067

> Human nature
> You can't not have a State
> Another state would form and crush you
> For anarchysm to work you need utopian circumstances
> All people have to be good natured
> NAP
> Documentary that debunks anarchism, communism and individualism
> Documentary

I expected nothing of this thread and still got disappointed.

>>13194209

> Mentions NAP
> Mentions human nature
> Mentions unavoidability of the state state

> Not free market capitalist

Mentioning NAP is a one-way ticket to Brainletville, population: libertarians + (You)

The burger and anarkiddie concept of """"freedom"""" doesnt mean anything. Freedom is and will always be a buzzword

>>13194222

> Biological imperatives

=/= Human nature. Human nature implies stereotyped responses to certain stimuli no matter the circumstances surrounding it. Eg.: Personal benefit over social benefit no matter the circumstances (Egoistic Human Nature theory).

Which is the actual debunked pseudocientific claim, you idiot (Richard Dawkins is regarded as a fucking retard for his book "The Egoist Gene", where he argues for the egoistic nature of ALL life, not only human beings, because his claims are not backed up by any scientifical data).

t. M.D.

> Humans are social creatures, that's part of that "human nature" that you just told me doesn't exist

We are social animals because the mononuclear family is an imperative because of the pre-mature birth of our offspring, which should be born 3 years old for a developement as advanced as any other species' offspring, which is not possible because of the small space of the birth canal and the huge carneal volume of human beings.

It was a social organization based around MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, not based on metaphysical human conditions, you doble-cunt.

> When absolutist monarchies controlled the world and people had very little if any social mobility, the lower classes tended to be healthier and more collectivised

Great use of sarcasm, my boy, but capitalism HAS disintegrated community and colective ideologies of the past, there's a whole branch of western marxism dedicated to the analysis of the disintegration of the family, rural communities, work guilds and so on.

It could be expressed as "The dominant ideology is the idology of the dominant class". It is not a moral statement (you live well, you think right. You live badly, you think wrong), it is a scientifical one (You live in this society with this socio-economical relations, you're going to think accordingly to said relations).

> I'm also very much an anti-liberal, lol.

I very much doubt you have the capabilities of defining or understanding, (ever the less critique) modern liberalism.

Also: I'm not the guy you're replying to.

>>13196908
>We are social animals because the mononuclear family is an imperative because of the pre-mature birth of our offspring
A-are you stupid?

>Biological imperatives =/= Human nature. Human nature implies stereotyped responses to certain stimuli no matter the circumstances surrounding it. Eg.: Personal benefit over social benefit no matter the circumstances (Egoistic Human Nature theory).
Yes, well that's what at least i would refer to as human nature. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, as this example of yours could be reversed, and neither anarchists nor statists would be any mor favored: "Social benefit over personal benefit no matter the circumstances" is ludicrous.

I'm not the guy you're replying to either.

>>13192466
Nothing. It's pure bourgeois idealist retardation

ancap and individualists for me
soft spot for mutualists also

Any non materialist nihilist cringe anarchist writers?

>>13198805
Ellul

>>13198805
Murray Bookchin

>>13192466
read James C Scott, first Two Cheers for Anarchism and then Seeing Like a State

>>13197552
Tankie or NSA?

>>13198314
>neoclassical liberalism and edge-lordism for me. soft spot for pedophiles also.
You should look into anarchism sometime

>>13199078
>Tankie or NSA?

leftcom I'm afraid

>>13195958
boy i bet you have a really interesting life

>>13195958
Brutal & literate ownage. Kek Bless.

>>13194237
I can't think of a better example of an americuck than a canadian

>>13192466
Anarchism is just edgy democracy, and democracy is fundamentally anarchic, so I'd start with Locke.

>>13196712
Mass death and war isnt part of the ideology you dumb fuck

>ITT: Asshurt retarded anarcucks getting destroyed by FACTS and LOGIC

>>13199891
It’s just inevitably how statist control into spheres where the state shouldn’t enter wind up : extremely statist, authoritarian regimes.

Look at what happened in Cuba: violent revolution. No matter where Communism reaches it seems Marxist ideology, which is really pop-tier economics, latches on to the susceptibility of thinkers who have just read The Wealth of Nations, which is, like Capital, a rather flawed and myopic take at human exchange, and causes them to think about revolution and chaos shortly after reading the Communist Manifesto.

I remember being 20 or so and being swept away by the Communist Manifesto. Then I decided to actually learn about how economics works. You have no idea how intertwined everything really is. It all depends on people’s subjective valuations of goods or services, once you render these an essentially objective or authoritarian determination of value, you render one arm of the economy essentially motionless. The Hobbesian state is now an amputee, and as the power of issuing currency should never have devolved from the head of state it was already severely flawed.

Just realize there are some serious logical contradictions in what you are reading which are overlooked by the fact that it was the last piece of non- fiction literature to gain as much popularity with society as it did.

It was essentially the Jordan Peterson of the early 20th century, if JP were 10000x more popular. The idea here was that people were simply sick of the industrial revolution and needed something to latch on to.

Do your homework, kid :3

>>13196908
>=/= Human nature. Human nature implies stereotyped responses to certain stimuli no matter the circumstances surrounding it.
Yes. This exists.
>Which is the actual debunked pseudocientific claim, you idiot (Richard Dawkins is regarded as a fucking retard for his book "The Egoist Gene", where he argues for the egoistic nature of ALL life, not only human beings, because his claims are not backed up by any scientifical data).
I'm not arguing for egoism I dont know why you think I am. I'm stating the obvious that humans have collectivist attitudes. All humans with very few exceptions.
>t. M.D.
Lol yeah right! HAHAHAHA
None of this is "settled" science so I dont know why you're pretending it is.
>We are social animals because the mononuclear family is an imperative because of the pre-mature birth of our offspring, which should be born 3 years old for a developement as advanced as any other species' offspring, which is not possible because of the small space of the birth canal and the huge carneal volume of human beings.
Meaningless medicalbabble trying to flex on me with your wikipedia knowledge
>It was a social organization based around MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, not based on metaphysical human conditions, you doble-cunt.
Sorry but you're the one being pseudoscientific.
Please read:
>"Humans are inherently social. We are not special in this way; it is hard to think of any animal for whom the regulation of social behaviour is not important. Something akin to social behaviour may even occur in organisms lacking a nervous system. For example, 'Science'recently published an article titled “Genetic determinants of self identity and social recognition in bacteria.” Different animals, including humans, share many of the same types of social behaviour such as affiliation and aggression, the establishment of hierarchy and territoriality." - Dr. Simon N. Young - Canadian Medical Association
Stay BTFO "M.D."
>> When absolutist monarchies controlled the world and people had very little if any social mobility, the lower classes tended to be healthier and more collectivised
>Great use of sarcasm, my boy
That wasnt sarcasm you twit.

>but capitalism HAS disintegrated community and colective ideologies of the past
I know capitalism has disintegrated community, I dont see how this has anything to do with the topic. Classic Marxist cant help himself and has to bring up Capitalism even when its completely unrelated.
>there's a whole branch of western marxism
I love how you say this like critical theory is an accepted process through which to view history and not just something used by leftists to justify their retarded beliefs.
>I very much doubt you have the capabilities of defining or understanding, (ever the less critique) modern liberalism.
Pathetic ad hominem. I can and do regularly, but I'm not here to BTFO Libs I'm here to BTFO anarchists.
>Also: I'm not the guy you're replying to.
Yeah you're even dumber than he was.

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The fact that you post under a nickname just shows that you are only here to shitpost because you just need those attention browny points. Most of your posts are vague and useless to the thread they are directed to, I hope you get breast cancer and your family gets in a car accident that will set the car alight and your folk will burn alive inside it