/lit/ - Literature

first for zyzz

>>13178207
Books for this feel?
Basically pirates but with magic as well, maybe even ghost ships, I dunno.

How is this?

Prototype for the new self published books chart. Everything is subject to change, in particular I might add in a few words of description/subgenre for each book.

Okay, I've got limited funds at the moment and can only get one of the these: Soldier of Sidon, The Knight, Awake in the Night Land and 'The Island of Doctor Death' and Other Stories. Which one would you recommend?

>>13178224
It's Donaldson's best work and one of the best sci-fi series ever.

>>13178233
There’s no need to put both of Hayes series on there. Just stick with the Heresy Within.

>>13178233
All of them anon, it's CURRENT YEAR, you don't have to pay for books.

>>13178239
Oh I've read them, I'd just like to own physical copies of said books.

>>13178239
>unironically being a thief
How sad

>>13178245
Then, get the one you liked most...? Or the one that has the cover you like the most if it's purely for display purposes...
You already have all the information you need to make your decision anon, why the fuck are you asking us?

>>13178246
>Unironically gifting money to dead people

I'm reading book 3 of stormlight, pretty good

Since the other thread is dead I'll ask here again.

Books that focus on a family or families? Don't need to be exclusively about it but it has to at the core of the narrative.

I've read pic related, Little, Big and have The Fifth Head of Cerberus on my to read list. Is there anything else I should look for?

And yes I've heard of ASoIaF.

>>13178303
I don't get why Sanderson gets so much shit. I mean there're certainly some glaring problems with his books, but I think he's got better prose and themes than most modern fantasy writers. You're just trading flaws for flaws really. Dealing with Sanderson's obnoxious characters and awkward cuts in place of GRRM's shoddy descriptions and awful pacing.

>>13178221
Liveship Traders Trilogy

>tfw no qt necromancer gf

anything else remotely similar to this top tier kino?

>>13178311
Because his stories feel like video games

>>13178303
Dallinar sections are fucking cancer tho. Stormlight flashbacks in general have been total shit with a very few good bits here and there.

Any books that pull stupid shit on the reader?
Something that starts out as a simple revenge plot but decides to forgo a satisfying ending by revealing the antagonist did it all for the protag's benefit in the end? Or whatever the author can do to figuratively punch you in the gut.

Postan

>>13178233
>>13178245
For both Wizard Knight and Latro you should get the collected editions anyway.

>>13178513
How's the third Latro book, the uncollected one?

Are there any good stone age fantasy books?

>>13178311
only obnoxius thing I've found so far is some of the unrealistic dialogue and humor

>>13178320
The Dalinar sections are the best bits dude

>>13178207
WHEW glad we have all these pointless charts and all that extra stagnated BLOAT back!!!

>>13178314
Thanks m80, this sounds exactly like what I wanted.

>>13178625
stfu retard

>>13178625
Stop throwing a fit anon, the chinkshit that you are so desperate to see included in the OP doesn't require charts. Each and every one of them is the same as any other with names changed.

>chinkman is reincarnated with all his memories
>chinkman decides to become the strongest warrior in the universe using his iron will
>chinkman meditates and eats pills
>chinkman advances to the level of omega dao lord
>chinkman fights and defeats 5 omega dao bao lord fathers at once
>chinkman makes a harem for himself but doesn't sleep with any of them because he has iron will
>chinkman defeats 30,000km big monster
>trillions of planets become subservient to chinkman
>chinkman becomes lord of the universe
>The End.

Wuxiaworld has all the color by number tier of reading material you need so please refrain from defiling the OP next time.

>>13178539
Clan of the Cave Bear (the book, not the series, which is shit).

so.. did sadeas set up the ambush in oathbringer or just take advantage of an oppurunity?

or was he offering genuine advice he thought was best?

>>13178207
Cyberpunk legend Rudy Rucker has a new book-trailer

https://youtu.be/D1qCSQcDtBY

>>13178948
A book what now?
Is this a new revolutionary concept or have they always existed and I simply did not know?

is there any good fantasy or sci fi with a non-human protagonist?

>>13178958
actually, it's old fashioned now
it used to be hip, back in 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA0yAcfnuuI

>>13178246
>giving your money to Shlomo preying on other men's work
Not today, silly merchant. If you wanted to support the author you'd donate directly.

>>13178207
>tfw the only things you read are wuxia

Western kung-fu fantasy when?

>>13178315
My wife has loved this series since she was a kid. We recently started reading it together and it's great.

Someone give me some good pirate fantasy, please no china mieville

>>13179061
Did you miss the 10,000 times Cradle was mentioned here?

>>13179069
pic related

>>13178717
Or what, going to spout more underageisms? Don't type fuck, that way mommy doesn't get upset with you, newfag abortion reject :-)

>>13178774
Literally nobody mentioned chinkshit. Headbutt a railroad spike and project elsewhere.

>>13179069
Peter Pan

>>13179069

>>13179286
>literally nobody mentioned chinkshit
Except for the retard that keeps whining about the charts in the OP. Check the last threads OP you stupid fuckface cabbage.

Huh apparently David Eddings was the villain in a YA novel IRL and kept adopted children in cages.

>>13178238
You're right, I didn't include it initially but I replaced Never Die, also by Hayes, at the last second because I didn't feel like it was good enough for the chart and put in Where Loyalties Lie. Got rid of it now, put in something else I remember being decent.

>>13178625
Then make new charts faggit, what the fuck are you waiting for?

>>13178226
I need to make mine. There are some good stuff there, but also some trash.
>reading Chris Wooding

>>13179509
Have you read it? I've only read that one book by him and it's pretty good, classic old school epic fantasy done well, if you're into that kind of thing it's worth reading. Felt like a breath of fresh air compared to all the dark shit that comes out these days.

>>13179066
>My wife has loved this series since she was a kid.
>2019
>still participating in child marriages
>child wife so young and uneducated that you have to read stories to her

>>13178977
The Godking's legacy

>>13179478
>Cradle
fun and enjoyable
>Orconomics
a comedy that doesn't quite work for me, but it held my interest anyway
anyone willing to run through the others?

>>13179556
threadbare is fantastic. its what a child would imagine a world would be like if all their toys would be alive. but its actually quite the adult world. also very humorous.

>>13179527
I read his pirate ketty jay book, it was utter shit. It made me swear off anything by him.

>>13179478
>>13178226
When is construct going to become a audiobook?

I'm 30yrs old and I've been reading books nonstop for 15yrs. I've read over 2000 books. Please help me to stop. I just turned a wizard a few months ago, and I don't want to die as such. I'm willing to sacrifice my mana to a witch, please help me do it.

Any dark souls esque fantasy novels that aren't bad?

Look what I just bought.

>>13179061
Like Big Trouble in Little China?

>>13179556
>anyone willing to run through the others?
Sure, some of the others have gone through some of them so I'll skip those.

>Beyond Redemption
Surreal, weird, mind powers, creative.

>Thief Who Pulled on Trouble's Braids
Female thief on the run

>Construct
Fantasy version of AI gaining emotions and free will

>Faithless
Dark religious fantasy

>Woven Ring
American Civil War reimagined in a secondary world. Unique magic system and a story of redemption.

>Crimson Queen
>Ember Blade
Epic fantasy

>Heresy Within
Dark fantasy. Tri-protagonists; Witch-hunter, Blademaster and Thief/Mercenary. Surprisingly good world building without going too overboard.

>Winter's Reach
Closest I've seen anyone come to matching GRRM's style, not in the "shock value" kind of way but rather in the way of exploring people's motivations in an unfair world with politics mixed in and interests colliding. Just read it if you like Martin's writing.

>Priest of Bones
Peaky Blinders in a fantasy setting. MC returns from a war to re-establish his gang and take control of his territories.

>>13179612
no

>>13179564
Haven't read it. He wrote it like 10 years ago, maybe he improved?
I dunno, thing is the story of Ember Blade is quite ordinary, bog standard coming of age epic fantasy that has been done a million times, what impressed me about it mainly was his execution of it, both the writing and pacing were really nice and he came across as a skilled writer.

>>13179573
I doubt there's going to be an audiobook anon, if the number of GR ratings is any indication the sales are abysmally low and audiobooks typically cost a decent chunk of money to produce. It's a shame the book is so obscure, it's great.

I just bought Revelation Space a few days ago, I couldn't help myself and bought Dune today. Don't know which one to read first bros?

>>13179641
>buying shit from female authors

ohnonono

>>13178513
The only place I can find Wizard Knight, all in one, is Amazon, and that's used.

has a book ever made you angry through how shit it is?

>>13179831
Wise Man's Fear

>>13179839
it was unironically kino apart from the felurian bit

what do you guys think of Malice by John Gwynne? thinking about reading the series.

what version of morte d arthur?

thinking of oxford, shame it's abridged or is it better that way?

>>13179867
WoT meets Song of Ice and Fire. Borrows heavily from them but doesn't hit the high points of either.
3/5; It's not awful by any means but isn't really something I would go out of my way to recommend either. The highlight of the books is one fantastic and long, sword fighting sequence but unfortunately it comes at the end of the series.

>>13179867
Spends forever playing up the MC as the hero who might save the world. But he never actually does everything, loses every fight, but somehow people still join him despite never doing anything himself. Dropped after the third book of him accomplishing nothing.

>>13179858
Mate the Felurian bits were the worst parts of the book, they're the worst parts of any book I've ever read.

>>13179354
>Dr Thomas Meade, Spearfish physician and the first to testify, told of examining the child shortly after arrival with Lawrence County officers, Spearfish police and highway patrolmen at the Eddings house the evening of Jan. 25. He told of finding the child in a fenced enclosure under the basement steps, wearing only an undershirt. Dr Meade described Scott David Eddings's appearance as "bewildered, friendly but frightened". On first examination he noted one of his hands were swollen as if circulation had been impaired; that the child walked with a limp, had a small cut on his cheek and a bruised leg. A later and more extensive examination disclosed that the child had multiple bruises on both legs, both old and fresh; an abnormality of the scalp. Dr Meade said perhaps the most evident thing he noticed was the fright and furtive glances that the child made each time someone came down the steps into the basement.

>Other observations by Dr Meade included... one-half of a large safety pin hung from a hook in the concrete block which the child demonstrated by pricking it into a small wound in his arm; and a screen-type apparatus which the doctor said was apparently used to hold him down.

>>13179641
Do you buy the same stuff every week? Because you posted that a few months ago.

>>13179719
Maybe when you shill your chart it will get popular and ratings will increase.
But I've seen some abysmally low scores get audiobooks. So who knows? Maybe a publisher might want to buy him up like other self published authors.

My chart will be about ones that have both audio and ebooks.

Should I read The Mote in God's Eye or Armor

I seen someone talking about a book on here like last year and it sounded really interesting. I looked it up on Amazon but forgot the name. I was wondering if someone could help me.

It’s called “Demon” or “Demonic” or something of that nature. It’s after the world ends. I think they are in Colorado. This guy meets is fleeing the city and in one part he meets this crazy woman and he takes him with her and she starts this cult and gets a lot of them killed.

Does that sound familiar to anyone? It sounded really good I wish I would have written down the name.

>>13179069

>>13179590
go get on tinder

>>13180163
It has a decent score but it only has 52 ratings in....5 years. That just means it hasn't sold a lot or even a little. Let's say 500-1000 copies if we're being REALLY optimistic. He has 2 editors and a cover artist listed inside the book, do you think he even made the money back that he paid them? I doubt it. Decent editors cost around 5 grand, even if he got firesale editors from a street side stall he would have paid out a couple of grand at least combined with the cover artist. I feel like investing in an audiobook at this point would just be throwing even more money down the drain. He could do it himself if he has the voice for it but even that is a time investment.

That's not even counting the countless hours he invested in writing it in the first place.
Man, a writers life is just miserable, you don't get paid all that much even if you get published unless you're like a top 5 author and then there's suckers at the bottom who piss their lives away for nothing.

Doesn't matter how much it's shilled here either desu, none of the degenerates here buy books. At this point the only way I see it gaining any sort of traction is if he writes a book 2 and markets the shit out of it and offers the first book for free as a bundle with book 2. The premise is interesting enough and the book is good, it should sell. But....I doubt it'll happen, the book is dead in the water if you ask me. Audiobook just ain't happening.

I'm waiting for your chart though, show me what you got.

>>13179590
Have you heard of the world's oldest profession?

>>13179590
im sure you could find one of those mousey booknerd gfs

>>13178224
Absolute kino
Morn Hyland best mom
>>13179069
On Strange Tides by Tim Powers

>>13178306
The Sevenwaters Trilogy
Deverry
Raven's Shadow by Patricia Briggs
Saga of the Solian Empire
Time Enough for Love (specially if you love your mom,GRI Seal of Approval)
The Tower and the Hive by Anne McAffrey
Wolfblade by Jennifer Fallon
Jerlayne by Lynn Abbey
Chronicles of Amber (this one is more about brothers really)
This one is too >>13178314
most female authors usually focus on family
Not SFF but the Accursed Kings and the Plantagenet Saga are great

>>13179733
The first one anon

What's some good Buddhist sci-fi?

tfw ran out of books I was really interested in so im reading trash instead

>>13181178
What kind of books do you like to read? And what sort of trash have you resorted in the meantime?

>two Chads talk in the library about going to a pub where a musician girl performs, she'll fuck you for money too
>Kvothe the Incel stands up to defend the honor of some literal whore who engages in consensual sex for money
man what the fuck is this shit
Why is Kvothe such an incel?

>>13181263
Someone post it.

I have come here to discuss good sci-fi while I wait for some porn to download.
Hit me with your best recent sci-fi /sffgay.

>>13178226
>>13178238
Heresy Within was so bad, it's like an even trashier Mark Lawrence. Still finished the first book because it had a slutty tomboy reluctantly wearing a dress and slutting around, how much is this featured in the next 2 books?

>>13181253
Not that anon but I picked up Tamer: King of Dinosaurs. I can't tell you how bad it is because I am barely able to read a page or two before I have to put it down.

Where do you buy your books?

>>13181434
>buy

>>13181434
Amazon

>>13178226
Which of these are worth reading?

>>13181501
None

dune is so fucking over rated holy shit

>>13181531

>>13181501
Cradle, faithless, heresy within are the best there imo.

Special mention for winters reach because I liked what he tried to do, even if it stumbles and drags a bit.

>>13181551
no seriously, it's so fucking superfluous, the book begins by using terminology only someone previously familiar with the book through a divine Act of God could possibly understand. It doesn't even come off as pretentious, it comes off as fucking stupid, because the author must have been incapable of conveying the scene WITHOUT his autism word salad.

Fuck dune.

>>13181562

Blindsight, 2011

>>13181614

>>13181562
But Mommy Jessica is hot tho

Just started Tigana and I'm already 140 pages in (just barely finished the first part where Tomasso died in his prison)
Is it a good book? It seems overly long and I don't like the vaguely renaissance Italy setting, I always hated that particular setting to be honest (reason why I unironically never got into Assassin's creed games and Locke Lamora). I do like how quickly is went from merry singer's troupe to conspiracy and rebellion, but I'm afraid they'll keep doing their troupe bullshit, which I hate. I always had a strong dislike for non-fighter main characters.

Anyone here finished it? Is it satisfying at the end of the day? Don't spoil it for me please, I went 100% blind and I'm not sure if I should invest in it singe it's so damn long.

>>13181693
>doesn't account for the increased velocity in hopping off from a moving train
lol. Is that his blood beside his head when he's flat on the ground?

>>13181562
>he never read Bakker
The beginning of Prince of Nothing basically is:
King [weird ass name] of [weird ass region], south of [weird ass region2] which is just beyond the mountains of [weird ass name] was attacked by [weird ass monsters] so he fled to the secret fortress of [weird ass name]. Something something pretentious language, his son, prince [weird ass name] was raped by a clown. Something something philosophy, until the monks of the secred order os [weird ass name] came to save him. More philosophy and you don't know why you needed to hear this until the end, 3 books later.

Not gonna lie, it took me 4 times to get through that shitty ass prologue to actually read and enjoy the books.

>>13181754
>he can’t pronounce Anasûrimbor

>>13181775
It was a response to that guy complaining about Dune.
And o-of course I c-can pronounce the n-names in B-Baker's books.... that would be weird if I couldn't haha, right??

>>13181745
that was his hat

Just finished the last book of Malazan BotF. That was a pretty wild ride and I've never read a fantasy series as challenging as this one before, with its multiple PoV, characters, plots and its extended universe. Here's how I would rank each books.

High Tier
>Deadhouse Gates #2
>Midnight Tides #5
>Reaper's Gale #7
Good Tier
>Memories of Ice #3
>Toll the Hounds #8
>The Crippled God #10
Medium Tier
>Dust of Dreams #9
>Gardens of the Moon #1
Low Tier
>The Bonehunters #6
>House of Chains #4

>>13179061
>wuxia
What are some good ones? I like movies in this genre but I've yet to delve into their literary counterparts.

I just finished this book and enjoyed it. Now tell me why I'm wrong.

>>13182020
youre not

>>13181982
>Bonehunters in low tier
should be in at least good tier. the first 1/4 was kinda slow but once they got to y'gatan, it was great until the end

>>13181982
>High Tier
>>Deadhouse Gates #2
i've yet to see someone not rank the 2nd as the best, Chain of Dogs man

>>13182020
you're only wrong if you quit it before the end of the 6th book

>>13182055
i often see memories of ice as best

Do you guys think this book is a good book? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28449207-strange-the-dreamer
It is a YA, insta love story. So unlikely, right?

>>13181982
I bought Gardens of the Moon years ago but was too baby to get through it. Should I give it another shot? I've heard people recommend just starting at Deadhouse Gates but it sounds awful strange to do so.

>>13181387
Literal cumbrain.

>>13181745
How would you account for it other than tucking and rolling like a professional stuntman?

>>13182330
you account for it by realizing it exists and not jumping off of a moving train

>>13182301
GotM is good its just dense with names and fantasy concepts that dont get explained right a way

>>13178837
Thanks m8
Also, thanks to the anon who recommended "the barrow" to me a few threads back

>>13182020
>pulls on braid

>>13179324
that game was heavily influenced by this book

>>13180630
>On Strange Tides by Tim Powers

>>13179641
I legitimately hope you die because it’s the only way to improve your taste

Alright bros, while Im waiting for GRRM's next book, what should I read? Something like aSoIaF, with complex story and characters, lots of books dive into.

>>13182513
With lesbians or without?

>>13182513
malazan

>>13182513
wheel of time, prince of nothing or malazan. all 3 are finished so no worries about the author dying from fat lazy fuck syndrome

>>13182513
Malazan and The Prince of Nothing. For something more light-hearted try The Wheel of Time

Currently listening to this. 85 hrs long and I'm about half way through.

>>13182513
Read Prince of Nothing

Jumping off this guy's question >>13182513

Someone said to me Dune was a good one to read if you're into asoiaf. Can anyone vouch for that?

>>13179529
Sour grapes.

>>13182572
yes, there's a lot of politics just like asoiaf and its basically space fantasy. makes sure you read up though to God Emperor of Dune

Finished reading The Hobbit. It was really funny

>>13182572

From personal experience I'd say no. I've read through the ASOIAF series about 6-7 times now and really enjoy them but with Dune I got about 1/4 the way through and gave up. Although the Dune read was years before the Martin books so perhaps I'll try it again.

Is The Red Knight worth reading?

>>13182707
what was it about it that made you give up?

>>13182690
The Hobbit is better than Lord of The Rings.

>>13182525
With, lesbians improve any story if they are hot.

>>13178306
Dune has a moderate to high amount of the content you're looking for. it's not so much about the literal family, as it is using family as a metaphor for the legacy that one leaves, so it's more like a 'dynasty' in that respect. however, that's only in the first book. as the series progresses (the OG Frank ones) the actual, literal family element comes into play.

>>13179069
no but seriously, China writes some really kino pirate-based fiction

>>13182713

I just couldn't get into it for some reason. It was 8 or 9 years ago though so I can't remember specifics.

>>13181434
BookDepository, since they have free shipping to Serbia. My only issue with them is that if I buy more than one book at the same time, they're not going to ship them as one package, but separate ones, since it depends from which warehouse they send them.

>>13182330
How about doing anything but stepping off nonchalantly like the train isn't moving at all. He could have leaped with his arms covering his head and his knees curled, anyone can do that.

>>13182301
>I've heard people recommend just starting at Deadhouse Gates
I don't think that is a good idea. GotM's main "problem" is that it is an awful introduction to the universe, as it puts you into a middle of a continuous story, where you have to accept that not everything will be explained.

But Deadhouse Gates, seen as the first book, has exactly the same problem. And while I think that it is certainly a better book, Gardens of the Moon is also pretty good if you reread it with some more knowledge of the universe.

Just read Gardens of the Moon and push through it, at the end you will know whether the series is for you or not.

When do you guy's think Doopan's going to drop?

>>13182528
>>13182530
>>13182536
>>13182559

Thanks for the recs.
I have bought Gardens of the Moon, but gave uo halfway. Had other books to read and it just didn't grab me. Will try again, as it didn't outright repulse me.
Prince of Nothing seems extremely interesting, might be my next book.
Wheel of time seems good too

A friend who's taste I generally trust recommended me the Stormlight Archive so I looked them up and they seem decent enough, but my god the page count. Each is over a thousand fucking pages and the second one is 1200; that's literally enough to fit the entire BotNS series into it, and he's planning to write TEN of these?!

Also, I've read the first twenty pages and he's reaching levels of dropping-proper-nouns that shouldn't even be possible. Who or what are all these things? Why should I care? I don't know anyone or why they're doing what they're doing, things just seem to be happening to not much end. Of course I realise I'm only a tiny fraction into it, but the first twenty pages of Shadow of the Torturer we much more a joy to read, particularly in terms of the prose itself, compared to The Way of Kings which has been not exactly a slog, but equally far from a pleasure to read.

Does it find it's rhythm later on? My friend said the world itself is quite cool, do we get to see this coolness soonish?

>>13184146
Brandon Sanderson has shit prose but has nice worldbuilding and magic systems. if you can deal with that then youll like the books

>>13181982
How did you feel about the ending? I also finished the series earlier this week and admittedly at first I felt a bit sour about it because so many plot points and characters ended up feeling like they just disappear from the story towards the end of the final book.

>>13182055
>>13182071
Almost every time I see someone rank the books by their preference the second and third gravitate towards the top of the list with the remaining eight books being shuffled in a seemingly completely random order. HoC and DoD tend to fall towards the bottom of the list but even I've seen people who liked them.
I always found it interesting how everyone likes the books and ranks them completely different.

>>13182020
You're not, the first four or so books are quite decent.

>>13184146
Stormlight Archive is quite possible the most generic fantasy ever written. It's depressingly average and unoffensive.

>>13182403
S'all good senpai.
I have to admit that some parts of the second book are kind of decent...
But then it devolves into middle aged woman erotica with Ayla's "flower" and a fella basically going "wow, finally a woman that can fully take my big wang, I love her".
The series oes not improve. I tried to push through it to some more good stuff, but there wasn't any.
Just pretend that the series stops at book 1.

How was the Barrow? I've seen it mentioned thee last few threads.

>>13184160
>>13184240
Hmm, okay I'll properly give it a chance and read the whole first book.

I don't read much fantasy, is stormlight archive an example of what you'd consider a 'typical' fantasy series?

>>13182547
how is it?

>>13184257
>is stormlight archive an example of what you'd consider a 'typical' fantasy series?
Yeah. Especially if you're looking at modern fantasy. There's a heavy focus on world building and a very rigid, vidya style, magic system.

>>13184355
B-but non-rigid systems always lead to doos ex makinuh!
>t. modern armchair critic (usually a redditor)

What do I read if I want to read something akin to pic related?

So I got to the part where Kvothe comes back from Felurian's place and how his mates and girls see him and the girls are astonished he's holding eye contact and how he has a wild, fae look to him
how do I get that look? I too want to astonish and impress the ladies. Please help

>>13184478
Step 1. Kill your parents and become homeless for a few years.
It's pretty straightforward from that point on.

>>13184485
I'm serious bro
I got tingles when I read that chapter. The possibility of enchanting women with a wild aura like Rothfuss claims, it's something I want. I am always shy around women

>>13184488
In real life Felurian's place is called "the gym".

>>13184497
And Felurian is the guy with the biggest bulge.

>>13184497
>>13184501
Kek

>>13184255
Man, I read that series when I was 9 years old. Looking back I have to wonder what the fuck it was.
>Ayla the mary sue who literally invents animal husbandry, is basically a healer, constantly compared to a goddess
>Book 3 is basically an entire book of cuck fetishism from the female perspective while she gets blacked
>The series is half geography and botany and half blatant literotica for middle aged women
I almost want to re-read it just for the sake of it, but nah.

>How was the Barrow? I've seen it mentioned thee last few threads.
It's kind of shaky at the start, kind of goes off on a tangent about how degenerate the entire main cast are, then it gets back on track and manages to be pretty good with a satisfying conclusion. Worth reading, reminded me of The Mummy.

>>13184488
>like Rothfuss claims
bro it's a fictional novel, are you sane in the head?

>>13184454
I'd like to know this too.

rn I'm reading "Dreamsong's" the first collection of GRRM's stories. It's pretty hit and miss with some of his earlier stories being absolute juvenile trash but there's quite a few stories I really enjoyed.

"Song for Lya"
"With morning comes mistfall"
"The Stone City"

are probably the best in the entire collection.

>>13184478
>>13184488
this nigger is the reason rothfuss' books are so popular

>>13184373
I read too many ass pulls to recommend an author who gets lazy and have their protagonist kill 100k men by themselves because the author wrote themselves into a corner.
If you're a literal brainlet cumbrain, and you like the author insulting your intelligence(what there is of it) by pulling an nuke out their ass, then pretending like it never happen, then power to you.

>>13184510
>>13184255
Is this book about Alya's cunny book 2 of the barrow, or a different book that you read at 9?

>>13184678
There's a different between a less rigid magic system and what you describe. Just because a system's soft, it doesn't have to be retarded. Actually, you're kind of acting out the strawman I wrote there - my point was that hack writers have made soft magic systems the domain of shitty asspulls.

>>13184700
It's a completely different series called Earth's Children, the Stone Age fantasy someone was asking about. It's a fap fic for middle aged women.

>>13184711
Yep. Well, the first book doen't have that garbage, and is good. It's just the rest that's cancer

>>13184488
>>13184478
You have to experience getting buggered raped in the streets, to overcome being used like a onahole, and graduating to using others like an onahole. Girls can smell men who would dominate them, and they all want a strong man who takes what he wants. They get orgasms from it.

>>13184267

Pretty good so far. It is a lot like Firefly and Dark Matter if you like those shows. It's a collection and some of the stories are better than others but all are at least enjoyable. I've laughed at quite a few parts and the narrator does a great job.

>>13184678
As if hack writers can't be hacks just because they've designed a "system" for their magic.

>>13184709
I don't care about magic systems. I just don't want some author thinking it's 10 year olds reading their book, and they can just pull the wool over their eyes. I read hundreds of books before Sanderson came on the field(I'm talking before Elantris got published), and I remember getting mad many times because the author had explicitly stated that humans can't hold the gem they will die. Yet during the great war, a human picks up the gem and proceeds to slaughter everyone, then it gets swept under the rug and everyone is pretending so hard like it never happened. I wish I could give examples, but it was many years ago.

Funny thing. One of Anita Blake's latest books has her praying to a computer and looking through the monitor into a room with zero cameras. Even though she fornicates multiple times a day, practices bestiality and necrophilia, and consorts with demons, she is showing through a literal deus ex machina that God still favors her.

>>13184478
>>13184488
For the love of god end yourself.

>>13178207
post yfw you get to the sanderson avalanche

>>13184488
just need to be confident bro

>>13184815
I don't disagree with any of that. Inconsistent writing oesn't have anything to do with the magic, it's to do with the shit writer - I'm not sure why you replied to my strawman anyway
>Anita Blake
Is that shit still going? I bowed out when it started being more about the sex and drama than the monster funsies.

>>13184814
Not saying that books with a fixed magic system is the coolest thing and always a 5/5 for me. I'm just saying it's less likely for some stupid asspull to occur that will have me seething.
I think authors know now that readers are not braindead children because they read sff. With the algorithms of good reviews running things, I think they know they are one misstep from being buried with negative reviews, so they avoid asspulling with extreme prejudice. Unless it's a satire or comedy, I don't see people pulling shit out there ass as much these days.

The current year is not like the past. People don't have to buy a book because that's all there is (how I came to read many books in the early 2000s). There are a variety to choose from, people like the Terrys aren't best sellers anymore because people see the shit they are writing and trying to pass off as a 5 star course.
We readers weren't heard in the early 2000s about the deus ex machina. Now we have goodreads and Amazon to leave reviews on, and we will be heard, they can no longer pretend as if their shit don't stink.

>>13183135
lovely picture

>>13184905
I replied to your strawman, because it was Sanderson's doing that opened other authors to the fact that readers hate asspull deus ex machina. It was because of him that it changed in recent years. They saw how crazy he was selling, and sat down and thought hard about giving that kid the super elf power for the big fight, then never mentioning it again to get out of a bind (even though elf power only works for one with the elf genome, and the kid has zero dna common with a elf).

They (panel) scoffed at Sanderson when he was at that convention many many years ago, and explained his laws of magic helped with deus ex machina. And the panel basically broke down to "kid, you just started publishing while we were doing it for years, don't try to lecture your seniors". Yet Sanderson is the one that got a multi-million dollar deal later on. Wish I could find the video.

>>13184944
Imagine the free power you can siphon from the air from the loss that those lines put out.

I should just stop reading modern Cthulu/Mythos stuff. More often than not its terrible.
This one had some acceptable short stories but then kinda threw it on the ground with the finale of the overarching plot.

Any authors in this list that are more horror than fantasy or write fantasy with horror elements?

http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php


>>13184905
>>13184815
>Anita Blake
Yea, that's still running.

>Even though she fornicates multiple times a day, practices bestiality and necrophilia, and consorts with demons
Mostly because if she doesn't get her daily gang bang she and the whole gang dies. It's not her fault... obviously.
The story's really retarded like that.
Never seen an other series crash that hard and that deep.

>>13184984
>I should just stop reading Cthulu/Mythos stuff.
>More often than not its terrible.

true

>>13184929
>I'm just saying it's less likely for some stupid asspull to occur
And I'm saying that I don't think this has anything to do with having a system for their magic.
For one thing, having rules doesn't actually prevent an author from breaking them. For another, a system presented in narrative form is almost certainly going to be vague enough that a writer can asspull something even without breaking them. Even if they don't specifically write the rules to let them do that from the start.
Bad writing is bad, but it's entirely independent of how the story treats magic.

>>13184944
I'm not sure, but I think it's a still from Tarkovsky's STALKER film.

>GRRM confirmed TWoW for 2020
>Lynch has finished his next book
>no fucking word at all from Fatcunt Rothfuss
what the fuck man

>>13185000
Try the barrow that has been shilling recently.

>>13185119
>Patrick Rothfuss
>an author that isn't a lazy bastard
Pick one.
I mean Christ, how long does it take to edit one (1) book?

>>13185164
Edit? You mean he's finished writing all of book 3?

any thoughts on Throne of Bones by Vox Day?

best fantasy book to read while I pee and poop?

>>13180630
>On Strange Tides by Tim Powers
Can't believe this made its first appearance so far down in this thread.

>>13185119
>GRRM confirmed TWoW for 2020

lol

>>13185211
Someone posted it in an earlier general, it's real this time.

>>13178221
Tim Powers - On Stranger Tides. Waaay better than the Pirates of the Caribbean movie adaptation.

>>13185214
he didn't "confirm" anything, the fat fuck is retarded.

He's said multiple times in the past that a book is coming out by a certain date, and the book actually released 5 years later, this is just another missed deadline

Reading 'Peace on earth' by Lem. About 20 pages left. It's been a fun read!

Kvothe's University scenes are some of the best modern literature I have ever read

>>13179100
That book was shit tier and I say that as someone who generally likes Gene Wolf.

>>13179069
See - >>13185218

>>13179984
I had to skim that entire section. Otherwise my living room wall would have dents like a demolition derby car.

Anyone ever read Bova's grand tour series?
I've read Mercury, Venus, and also Death Wave. (Not part of the grand tour, didn't really like that one.)

>>13179839
The Felurian stuff, the stuff with Kvothe traveling with the mercs and doing fuck all, it was just shit. So essentially the second half of the book. Only half the book is worth reading properly.

How do we defeat the prose meme

I am absolutely disappointed Kingkiller 3 isn't out yet
which king does Kvothe kill?
how does he start the war?
what happened to Denna?
how did he meet Bast?
what happened to the Chandrian?
how did he get expelled for good from the University?
what happened to Elodin, his school friends and Ambrose?
Personally I hope the Chandrian attack the University and then there's a mighty battle Hogwarts style where everyone dies.

>>13185302
the merc bit was kino

>>13185341
I feel like the chandrian would WRECK the university, the university has like 5 people who know names and the rest are just a bunch of random academics, they don't really have any fighters

>>13185315
>prose meme
I haven't seen such a meme

>>13185302

I've lost interest in The Wise Man's Fear after Kvothe went to the city full of nobles and the guy he started working for was blind to the fact one of his most beloved men was poisoning him. First book is absolutely comfy but Rothfuss went wrong somewhere in the second.

>>13185341

Something probably happens with the Door of Stone which probably kills a lot of Kvothe's classmates. He's been building up too that for a while now and it would make some sort of sense. I'm guessing Bast is Kvothe's bastard child with the fae, Bast=bastard son. My bet is Kvothe and Ambrose actually begin to repair their relationship but Kvothe is put in a very difficult position where he either did it purposefully or Ambrose accuses him wrongly of something and it sets everything back to the start for them.

>>13185382
>Bast=bastard son.
That would be a Hodor tier twist.

>>13180306
It sounds very familiar, one that borrowed from the library but I cannot remember the name either. Tried doing a search for it as well. FWIW it was a DNF for me.

>>13180956
Closest I came to was Reincarnation Blues. It wasn't good though. Too obviously a first novel.

>>13182353
I didn't like the constant head-hopping, not to be confused with multiple POV or omni. Does it get better?

>>13182513
Try Brent Weeks.

>>13184184

To be honest it felt a little frustrating that we won't know more about how some characters ended up faring after the events of TCG. We can guess that things came back to some sort of a normal life for some of them (Tool and his reborn Imass folk going living in the Refugium, the Tiste andii reunited in Kurald Galain, etc) but for others like Tavore, Ganoes and the Bridgeburners, it's pretty hard to imagine, as they're now considered outlaws in the Malazan Empire. Maybe we'll discover more about their fates in the Karsa Trilogy that Erickson is currently writing, but nevertheless he still intended to leave open the story of most of characters.

can anyone recommend me something that it's written like the first book of the black company series? like a journal or log of some soldier, that writes only what he sees, knows and thinks, even if it's confusing for the reader.

kinda sucks that Glen Cook changed the way he writes in the second and third books of the series.

>>13185513
see>>13179478
Bloodsounder's Arc series has exactly what you're looking for. The entire story is told from the pov of a scribe pulled into chronicling the deeds of a mercenary company.
Mind, even though it's military fantasy it's on the slower side.

>>13185549
that sounds exactly like what I'm trying to find. thank you!

>>13185513
malazan for the most part follows a squad of soldiers, its not told as a journal but if you liked following a bunch of soldiers as they fight in various wars Malazan would be a good bet

What book should I read if I'm a cuckold?

>>13185631
24690 by A.A. Dark

>>13185631
Kingkiller Chronicle

>>13185208
Thwn you should have posted it near the top fagget.

>>13185665
this

>>13185665
Kvothe bangs dena and gets a free posh lute case while men pay lots to fuck her, I'd say he's the alpha male.

Where did all the Rothfuss fags come from?
Is school closed in Klapistan? Are we being raided by rebbit?

>>13185737
Nobody is reccomending him, he's been a recurrent meme here for years.

>>13185710
>Kvothe bangs dena
Except he doesn't, not even once. She fucks the whole town, even Ambrose but not cuckboy Kvothe.

A supreme immortal expert faces his greatest challenger yet.... high school!

>>13178977
The Pride of Chanur

>>13185783
Oh right, he says something about how he will be in her heart forever.

>>13185737
You can't deny the books are kino, they really reeled me in and I can't wait to find out how it ends. I want to see the Chandrian nuke the University and Elodin reveals his power levels by calling a dozen names at once

I am literally feeling an ache in my chest, a deep longing to read Doors of Stone. I'd fellate that old cunt if it meant getting the book.

>>13184966
I think video games have caused you to develop early onset brain sclerosis.

>>13185119
>actually believing GRRM
>reading Gentleman Bastards past book 1
>reading anything Rothfuss

>>13185513
Latro in the Mist. Latro suffer from memory loss and record everything he does on a scroll which he then read every morning to remember things.

>>13185901
Go impeach trump then. It’s your only chance to get it out in the next six years.

>>13185845
>You can't deny the books are kino
Not him but I sure can, they are among the most infantile fantasy books I've ever read. It is basic self-insert fantasy for nerds that where not popular in school, which is probably why it's so popular among idiots.

>>13185990
Rothfuss is just godly. I want to larp in my books as a smart, brilliant kid with friends and doing comfy things like smelting and making odd shit and learning magic. Then I go to a pub with my mates and I sing and everyone buys us drinks. So, so comfy. Even the present moments are comfy to the max.

>>13186028
Woah, it's not bad to appreciate something so simply pure and wholesome. You sound like a NT normie or an uppity cunt.

>>13178311
>I don't get why Sanderson gets so much shit
Because he's shit. You only have yourself to blame for your shit taste

>>13181388
Second book focuses on black thorn and his crew. Third book is Inquisitor and slutty tomboy getting shipped together.

I don't know who suggested here the Broken Empire trilogy, first book I'm like 1/4 in, and it sounds like a more retarded& edgy catcher in the rye
It gets better or nah?

>>13186092
No. It’s edgy trash the whole way through

Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson.
Discuss.

>>13186052
Stfu uppity loser. Stormlight is kino

>>13186117
kek

>reading anything but the Kingkiller Chronicles
we should rename this general to /kcg/.

>>13186092
It was probably bait, unless you asked for edgy grimdark stuff.

>>13186071
>the worst part of the first book is the entire second

I hoped they were gone for good but knew it would be too good to be true, or at least that they'd just make a short appearance when they returned.

Mercenary/soldier/bandit groups where everyone goes by nickname and has a singular trait their whole character is centered around are the worst meme in the entire genre.

>>13186052
I bet you couldn't articulate what's so bad about it that doesn't apply to fantasy genre as a blanket.

Anybody else here who has read The Talisman?
Just finished it and I loved it.

>>13186348
The text is about Mistborn but the main focus is magic systems and apply to almost all of Sanderson's writings.

>>13186405
Browsing /lit after a good wank did not improve this place one bit, let me tell you.
Anyone read anything good vampire related lately?

>>13186405
stormlight archive in one sentence

>>13186115
Like everything KSR writes, based and redpilled

>>13185218
Sounds good, thanks m8

>>13178315
I'm stunned that this hasn't been adapted. The whole trilogy is too tier stuff.

>>13186490
Seems like incel seething from unsuccessful writers lol

>>13182547
went through that back in December and January, was pretty decent

>>13186405
This post is absolutely shameful. You write these ridiculous reviews, spouting all sorts of “deep” thinking in which you are clearly and desperately trying to prove your superiority in the world of literature through big words and condescension.

I am supposed to be impressed by the fact that you are able to use words like tone, prose, dialogue, archetype and cliche correctly in a sentence, or insulted by the way you assume I am not cultured or educated enough to use them myself, so I read your review to tell me how I should feel about a specific book or author.

This one post nullifies any other reviews you’ve written. By telling your audience that they should avoid this book and/or author, WITHOUT HAVING ACTUALLY READ THE BOOK YOURSELF, is disgusting. You sully the very activity you claim to do; by stating that an author should be avoided entirely because of what you’ve heard about the man you have lost all credibility. You are doing your audience such a disservice with posts like this.

Tell me not to read something because your first hand account lead you to the conclusion. But don’t judge an authors ability by hearsay.

>>13186405
While I commend that this piece does not in fact, apply to fantasy genre as a blanket, it really doesn't apply at all. The writer is explicit that he hasn't actually read Mistborn, or Sanderson's work at all, and has made his judgment based off of external factors and not the actual text.
There's an underlying assumption here that the presence of things automatically equates to the absence of other things, that a magical structure automatically excludes any sort of thematic purpose to the magic, which may be true of Mistborn honestly but isn't all true of Stormlight where the magic ties in largely to the actual character arcs.
More over, he only makes a passing criticism of Mistborn's actual writing based off of hearsay. Stormlight was written later and it's just written much better than Mistborn.

I think Stormlight books have a ton of problems, I'd hesitate to actually describe them as good, but fundamentally I think most criticism of Stormlight completely misses the mark on what's actually wrong with it. People go in making an assumption about it by comparing it to something else, Mistborn or anime, and they end up miles off missing all the ways that it's different. It fails on its own merits.

>rare quality thread goes to utter shit as the burgers wake up and start their shit
shocked.jpg

>>13186405
The retard who wrote this is a contrarian that gives 1 star ratings to multiple books that he hasn't read based on other peoples' reviews.

>>13184146
Just play an JRPG instead,

>>13186640
>JRPG
You weebs are the worst.

>>13186669
He says posting a weeb image on the weeb site.

>>13186669
Blue Board fagget

>>13186679
Grandpa this is 4channel.

>>13186684
Grow a pair fagget.

>>13186669
Jesus! What is this?

>>13186702
An image fit for a Christian imageboard such as this.

>>13184146

>>soonish?

Kill your friend.
Kill your parents.
Kill your friend's parents.
Kill yourself.

Other than that anon, I don't know anything about the book, but it sounds like trash.

>>13185745
I know that anon, I'm talking about the positive talk about his books. It's clearly a bunch of newfags. That haven't read many books to make a good judgement call.

>>13185984
But I don't /v/ nor /tv/, just /lit/. I used to /g/ though. Loved making stuff with circuits boards and logic chips.

>sandersonfags absolutely seething
kek

sandafag a hack anon takes a break and suddenly they're everywhere.

>>13178977
Oath of Swords by David Weber

>>13185845
Nice bait

>>13186717
Yawn I don't read boring old drivel my man

>>13186684
Honestly i prefer anons posting half naked women than seeing redditors talking about sanderson and rothfuss

Who else fucking loves Kaladin's chapters?
>that scene in book 1 part 2 when he leaps off the half alighted bridge and flies above the parshnedi by sucking in storm energy from their gems
fucking sick.

>>13186900
Well I don't. They've got their own boards for that. This is the only one I can see redditors talking about sanderson and rothfuss.

>start reading The Doomed City
>a couple of garbage men are attacked by a horde of baboons
>the baboons overrun the city
>mfw

So Fatfuss must have written 150-200 chapters for DoS. How long does it take to edit them? Jesus.

>>13186975
This is what happens when you read anything but the absolute mainstream.

>>13186702
one punch man "Monster Princess" Do-S

>>13186978
You can not rush perfection anon.

>>13186978
>“But I am moving forward,” Rothfuss told B&N’s blog editor Joel Cunningham. “More importantly, I’m finally getting my life sorted out so that I can go back and approach my writing and my craft with the joy that I used to feel back in the day, when I was just an idiot kid playing D&D or working on my unpublishable fantasy novel.”
give it another ten years.

>>13186985
Sheeeit
I still prefer Tatsumaki for her bare legs and tsundere personality.

Why are all fantasy authors liberal as all hell and total cucks to boot? Abercrombie is the only exception.

I haven't read Rothfusses work and I have no intention of doing so, but i'm curious as to why the third book has taken so long. I understand the plot issues with asoiaf, but what's his deal?

>>13187027
He doesn't give a fuck,he nows write shitty Rick & Morty comics

>>13186958
>This is the only one I can see redditors talking about sanderson and rothfuss.
We need to nip that in the bud.

>>13187016
Pleb.

>>13187027
One of the fine gentleman here will correct me if I am wrong but didn't he state that Trump's presidency made him all mopey and unable to crank out his particular brand of fantasy shit?

I want a book with a sexy dark haired big titted morally ambigious or downright evil sorceress who is sexual with the protagonist (Who I can self insert as) and who would be great at femdom.

Any books like that?

>>13187059
Library at Mount Char.

>>13187059
Black Company

>>13187051
>Trump's presidency made him all mopey
Do americans really do this?

>>13187059

The Witcher series tbrqhwyf

It seems that the GoT finale has ruined this (and previous few) generals.
Is anyone here even interested in sci-fi?

>>13187079
I think that it has more to do with him being a mangina than being an American.
Anyway read for yourself.
https://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2016/11/the-obligatory-election-blog/

>>13187027
I think he got cold feet. He edited his first book for a decade and it received critical acclaim from the general audience. The second book was completed in about 3 years, was not as highly praised and have been subjected to more and more criticism. He have also promised a trilogy and the second book was basically 1000 pages of filler, so now he have to fit his entire story into a single, third book that also have to live up to the fond memories his fans have of the first one.

I personally hope he never release the book as I will undoubtedly be gifted the thing by some well meaning relative or friend.

>>13187099
>It seems that the GoT finale has ruined this (and previous few) generals
It's really surprisingly noticeable. The amount of posts about epic fantasy, mainly WoT and Malazan, have increased tenfold.

Just finished rereading the wise man's fear for the third or maybe the fourth time. It's fucking amazing. Just awesome.

>>13187051
You talk like a fucking poof

>>13187108
>It's really surprisingly noticeable.
I had people at work of all places drone on and on about GoT. I am not American and this never happened before.
This place is becoming normie central.
Not a peep about Chernobyl for instance.

>>13187118
All edumacated like, unlike you?

>>13187099
Sci fi is shit, it's for kiddies. It's time to man up and grow out of it.

>>13187101
>second book was criticized
>literally half of it is useless filler
wow who could have thunk it

>>13187126
No, you're the type of poof who thinks people will talk about fucking Chernobyl. It's boring and dry as hell. Now if you said The Terror I'd understand it, even though that was dry and silly to boot.

>>13187129
Yeah and starting reading the real men's genre - fantasy.

Undying Mercenaries is not a bad series if you can stand low-brow, frat boy humor and it can get a little repetitive from book to book. Up to book 10 or 11 now, can't remember.

>>13187146
Damn straight.

>>13187099
>It's really surprisingly noticeable

There has been a new breed of ASOIAF fandom that needs to be destroyed and that's the fake bookfag. They talk about how much they love the books and turns out they're the biggest posers. I've seen it and when I try discussing the books, they suddenly go "Oh I haven't read the books in forever" then when they start talking about the show I'm like "I stopped watching after season 4". They get all pissy and say you're not a true fan. I swear its going to get really bad when The Wheel of Time show comes out as well.

>>13187145
>Now if you said The Terror I'd understand it, even though that was dry and silly to boot.
I think HBO has some sort of a union deal in place, the cast was almost identical (the difference that The Terror was not as interesting).
Not that I am complaining.

>>13187161
I gave up on the third book. It just got so repetitive. Still it wasn't as much of a letdown as the Quarter Share. That series took a nose dive in the second book.

>>13187164
If only the quality of writing was better.

>>13187059
this >>13187068

edgiest high fantasy?

>>13187181
>The Wheel of Time
It might turn out to be a dumpster fire like the Witcher is shaping up to be.
That would be fun.

>>13187200
What's high fantasy?

>>13187226

good question

>>13187108
there's been a lot of fantasy threads on /tv/ recently, because of the WoT & witcher shows in development. malazan+prince of nothing was also brought up in nearly every thread

>>13187238
I think it's like regular fantasy except you read it while you're high xD

Try not to shit this one up as well, will you?

>>13187255
>>13187255
>>13187255
>>13187255
>>13187255
>>13187255

>>13187200
prince of nothing

>>13187241
Fucks sake...

>>13187263
Who you talking to, cunt?

>>13186115
He's good but his sci fi is a little too hard for me.