/lit/ - Literature

>>13172621
Wasting too much of your time on something that has to do with fucking and not enough time ruling the world.

>>13172621
It would depend upon the tranny. If a particular tranny is exerting a radical act of power and will over zhir own physiology due to an adamantine drive toward greatness, then it would not be a problem. But if the tranny is merely a modish, herd-following attention-seeker, then this is a grand disgrace.

>>13172621
The hell do I care what nietsche thinks

>>13172627
Nieztsche's thought wasn't that deincarnated. There was a streak of naturalism to him. He'd probably diss both trannies.

>>13172621

What are his opinions on ANYTHING?

are there ANY remarkable/great individuals who are/were transsexual? I don't know of any. But transsexuals seem like they are generally broken people, with a major obsession around their in the long run irrelevant disorder.

Their worship of victimhood does indeed make them the last man

>>13172745
If you mean within /lit/, there is the travel writer James/Jan Morris. One of the better travel writers, actually. Amusing, acerbic stuff with a good sense of English reserve.

>>13172621
He would say that they just have some perverted sense of the will to power and that a true Übermensch would never care about this bullshit

>>13172621
He'd wish he had a horse girl (male) gf to eat apples with.

>>13172621
so this is what he meant with all that staring into the "abyss"

Given his contempt for women, the effeminate, the woman that reads, even the woman that cooks for crying out loud, repetated over and over again in BGE and all over his works, it can't be too favorable.

For instance in Ecce Homo:
>Did anyone hear my answer to the question of how to cure – ‘redeem’ – a woman? Give her a baby. Women need children, the man is only ever the means: thus spoke Zarathustra. – ‘Emancipation of women’ – that is the instinctive hatred of failed women, which is to say infertile women, against those who have turned out well, – the fight against ‘men’ is only ever a means, pretext, tactic.
Naturally, a few seconds of Google will provide you some feminist scholarship of the guy armed with all manner of mental gymnastics to portray Nietzsche's shitting all over them as the highest of compliments - how obviously is this guy writing in German in the then-current year so distant from any sort of woman-hating, amirite gals? It's very telling when the 1-star Goodreads review calling the man a [proto-]involuntary celibate is the one doing it right.

>>13172745
Genesis P-Orrige

>>13173042
>Ecce Homo
Nicholas D. More "Nietzsche's Last Laugh: Ecce Homo as Satire"
Ecce Homo is basically a self-parody with heavy references to Petronius's Satyricon, etc. (German 19th century Bildung implied heavy immersion into ancient philology). It is meant to be too grotesque for comedic effect.

>Given his contempt for women
>repetated over and over again in BGE
In one set of fragments #232-239, after explicit declaration in #231 that it is his personal IMHO and angry rant

>mental gymnastics
in HAH:
"in the three or four civilised countries of Europe, it is possible, by several centuries of education, to make out of women anything we like,—even men, not in a sexual sense, of course, but in every other. Under such influences they will acquire all the masculine virtues and forces, at the same time, of course, they must also have taken all the masculine weaknesses and vices into the bargain: so much, as has been said, we can. But how shall we endure the intermediate state thereby induced, which may even last two or three centuries, during which feminine follies and injustices, woman's original birthday endowment, will still maintain the ascendancy over all that has been otherwise gained and acquired?"

It is more about gender roles and the difficulty of changing the inherited system of morality.

>>13172621
>fags lmao

>>13172678
>Nationalism: bad
>European unity: good
>Anti semitism: bad
>Socialism:bad
>Reilgion (christianity specifically): really bad
>Suffering: good
>Ancient Greeks: Good.

>>13172778
Thast a decent statment, philosophically

>>13173687
Guess I only agree with him on religion and Greeks

>>13173706
So you're a nationalistic, anti-EU, antisemitic socialist hedonist?

if they survive the sex change process, they deserve to survive anything

>>13172621
Will to transexuality is an act of rebellion that's been on the rise for decades because children growing up in empty households has been on the rise for decades. The parental neglect is internalized, but the opposite sex parent will always show more visibly expressive affection to the child than the same sex parent, so the neglect from the same sex parent is registered first and more strongly; coupled with the victim complex of the slave, perhaps learned from seeing one's parents complain about their jobs, resentment towards one's same sex parent develops and manifests as resentment towards one's own sex.

>>13173722
Yes, not even memeing

>>13173744
Having a anime gif doesn't really give you credit when saying >not even memeing
but whatever.

I guess i can figure out most of these, but why are you against suffering?

>>13172626
>ruling the world
I was with you till there. Read some Nietzsche, fren

>>13172627
Better
>>13172661
But dis in what way?
I think he would have the same doubts as I that such a thing is genuine. Not the mental desire to be something else, but the physical ability to do it. The word itself is a lie. Why they try to stop saying “transsexual” and instead say “transgender”. But even that is just trans-ing gender norms. At its core, it’s alwasy unsuccessful, and he would likely call this out.
I cut trans some slack. I don’t want them to be miserable, but they are. I think they ought to try trans-ing their fixation. I just want them to be happy

>>13172621
He probably thought they were disgusting. Sensible people do.

>>13173752
My senses tell me suffering is wrong

>>13173854
>suffering is
get a clue

>>13173687
>>Nationalism: bad

oh boi how wrong he was there

>>13173888
To be fair, it was specifically against german nationalism. But what are your arguments in favor of it?

>>13173895
Biology, kin preference, also the state of modern multiculti nations compared to homogenous nations.

Take a walk in Budapest /Osaka and another in San Fransisco/ Berlin and you will automatically have your answer.

>>13173250
There's not such a thing as gender or gender roles, it's an absurd and retarded neologism

>>13173928
> the state of modern multiculti nations compared to homogenous nations
>kin preference
Matter of perspective

>Biology
Explain yourself.

>>13173952
Not him, but the ways in which humans, and to be true many other species groups cooperate is a) bloodline similarities b) reciprocal benefits
You will instinctively die for your children. You don't cry even a tear for the thousands that die in Africa each day.
We accept dogs and cats because despite being more different than us they are more useful than non-whites.
But common interest can be faked by parasites to infiltrate the community (as jews did).
Nationalism is only a means to strengthen a group of people.
I've never seen a very strong person claim that "nationalism is just appropriating things your ancestors did so you can excuse your failures", this is literally projecting

>>13173967
Bro I gotta a cousin who's half stinko chinko I think I'd feel pretty bad if he died.

>>13173967
either it's pic related or go to back /pol/.

>>13173978
But before im labbelled a commie/kike/beta whatever,
>You will instinctively die for your children. You don't cry even a tear for the thousands that die in Africa each day

Thats applies in general. You don't think or even care about the suffering of others unless their close to you or someone you look up too. Human heart is small, only so much space. Ethinicity/nationality is only a subgroup for this.

>>13173854
>My senses tell me I should kill myself

>>13173978

>>13174005
Nice way to ignore this. >>13173988

>>13173972
Yes, it's not in absolute terms, shared experience and culture obviously plays a large role as well, but it seems like this is not enough for a cohesive society (See modern US racial tensions and identity politics for example)

>>13173978
Why are you shutting your ears mate? We have a different opinion but you may be right and I'm open to listening what you believe on the subject. Why do you feel the need to categorize dissidents with some kind of /pol/ or nazi stamp?
Just have the debate. Are we missing some major point? Are we being stupid in some way? Then please correct us, I'm sure I don't have everything right anyway.

>>13173988
>Thats applies in general. You don't think or even care about the suffering of others unless their close to you or someone you look up too. Human heart is small, only so much space. Ethinicity/nationality is only a subgroup for this.
This is obvious. I gave you a reason why we do it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
A society that is big, i.e. has a large territory and a large number of people must be ethnonationalistic or will not survive.
The only reason nieztsche appeared butthurt at nationalism it's that he liked the idea of being a polish noble, simple as that

>>13173972
Because you he's still related to you, he is your cousin and you grew up with him.
It's a healthy and normal human feeling, same as tribalism, and nationalism is only state reinforced tribalism.
Nationalism is to a large group of people what lifting and runnung is for the body of a civilized man: it's an healthy substitute to activities primitive men always did and that our body need

>>13173988
You largely downplay the impact of genetic similarity. Look at Kin selection theory, underlying biology is a way stronger motive than we usually perceive it to be.

Also see comparisons of modern homogenous and non homogenous societies (e.g. crime stats in Japan v. USA )

>>13174007
>>13173978
>>13173988
>We accept dogs and cats because despite being more different than us they are more useful than non-whites.
I'd say the salaves that contributed to the economy in the americas but not sure if that would count

>But common interest can be faked by parasites to infiltrate the community (as jews did).

Wonders why i call /pol/.

>>13174027
just because a state has less (violent) crime doesn't change anything. Japan still is the country of the Yakuza and of a number of very brutal massmurders.

Nietzsches main complaint against nationalism is that its petty. He compared how people in his time "grew out"of christianity and began to turn against it. In the same spirit we need to grow out of being defined by nationality and ethinicity. His preffered alternative was a united Europe.

>>13174058
>salaves
Slaves. Fucking hell.

>>13172678
This

>>13174058
Well, I think that less violent crime (and crime in general in my example) is a great indicator of a healthier society. There are many more indicators, showing that people tend to trust what's similar and not what's different. Remember that even though he was indeed not fond of nationalism,Nietzsche grew up and spent his life in an ethnically homogenous nation.

>>13174093
Cause & Effect?

And when I say doesn't change anything, its because less doesn't mean zero. Personal life prolems, social issues, human instincts & impulses, organized crime will only fully be eradicated under a totalitarian world goverment. Anyone in favor?

>>13174115
>eradicated, repressed and dealt with permantly under a totalitarian (world) goverment.
Sounds better.

>>13174115
I would argue that less is better than more, and significantly less... you get it.

>>13173687
Wow, he’s just like me.

>>13174145
based.

>>13172745
I know some irl, and they are highly different to the ones on the internet and 4chan. They are healthy people who do it because they feel that way, while the ones that are on 4chan do it because they are peer-pressured into it and because they think it will turn them into a qt anime girl UwU despite always feeling male.
I am not saying that’s impossible to like anime and genuinely be transgender, but there are a lot of people in THAT side of the internet who completely misunderstand the scope of what they are doing and who it is meant for which could be seen as offensive to real trannies - they basically treat it as a sex-fetish thing.

It doesn't matter what he thought because philosophy can only be interpreted and not taken for fact

>>13172621
weak men trying to compete on womens levels, and apparently its turning our frogs gay

>>13173735
t. white male, the demographic with the most suicides

>>13174005
Whenever a /pol/tard brings this up it just shows their retardation. Ok, maybe this is more suitable to this specific situation since it’s on-topic in this thread - however a discussion on Nietzscher’s view on transgenders is not really relevant and can be seen as bait in the first place. But my point is, whenever a /pol/tard post something it is completely irrelevant to the board and 99% of times irrelevant to the thread; if it isn’t than the thread is a /pol/ stealth thread, and shouldn’t exist. Whether or not the post is an argument against what the person is saying is irrelevant, because we shouldn’t be having that discussion outside of your designated containment board in the first place. Especially when a /pol/tard says something racist, racism is not even allowed and you know it completely derails threads and even entire board. /pol/tards can’t understand this because everything MUST be a political discussion or argument for them, they literally cannot escape from their identity politics.

>>13174340
but anon...... i don´t go to /pol/

Does anyone have the picture of the tranny in the basement with a CS degree

>>13173103
Eh Genesis is mostly just into it for the transgression and shock value. A better example from music would be Wendy Carlos.

>>13172621
he would be chaser uwu

>>13174299
X to doubt

>>13173888
Nope. He was absolutely right in that regard