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>from a purely secular standpoint.
there's your problem

>>13164803
bump

>>13164803
You ever notice how all those people promoting multiculturalism never actually mention any benefits of it?

You can find the origin of this belief in reformed Christianity, all are equally unworthy in the sight of God

>>13164810
see
>>13164921
and get absolutely recked

The irony of course is the most "equality" oriented society are Atheist Socialist states. Of course he's right though is that the atheist meme actually came out of Christianity

>>13164803
Equality is the degenerate version of belief in equity. People who want equality are degenerate.

>>13165135
>using some made up arbitrary distinction between "equity" and "equality"
not this shit again

>>13165143
Thanks for proving my point, degenerate. Equality is not equitable for the people who carry your ass.

>>13165135
>>13165149
Equity is at least as bullshit because it is entirely arbitrary.

Equality could at least theoretically be measured. And in a lot of ways, when people were focused on equality over equity it was better. Minorities were supposed to be treated equally under the law. That's good. Now, in order to be equitable we need to give them special privileges - that's bad.

>>13164921
>>13165129
If it's just a protestant meme and there truly is no secular basis for it then almost the entirety of western civilisation since the enlightenment is based on a lie. Surely someone must have realised this?

>>13164803
>In the "natural condition of mankind," humans are equal, despite minor differences in strength and mental acuity. Hobbes's notion of equality is peculiar in that it refers to the equal ability to kill or conquer one another, but quite consistent with his notion of power.

A gun makes a manlet incel and gigachad on the same playing level

>>13165199
Nah, fuck off dystopia creating faggot

>>13165225

>>13165235
What about the sword? Didn't that make average dudes more competitive too? If the best people are those who never advanced their weaponry that would be blacks, the absolute worst people.

>>13165235
the only people who think this are people who have never fired a gun

>>13165235
Yeah, but first you have to presume both are able to access a gun (the incel probably won't be as likely to get a well paying job or he might just be a useless neet so he might not be able to afford one) and that chad won't bring any of his buddies along to the fight. There is no reason to presume equality in this situation.

>>13165400
Look at this guy who thinks gun owning is bourgeoisie

>>13165225

>>13165225
NRx are retards. The inequality of wealth in modern society can be seen as a protestant development or catholic. Reactionaries do not even see that they are part of the same system.

>>13165424
meme

>>13165433
>inequality of wealth wasn't worse back in the day
>inequality of wealth is a purely western phenomenon

>>13165468
Perhaps you have to mine data from foreign lands to try to understand society, but I am a Westerner and believe ideas of Western wealth should be considered in Western terms.
But enjoy your right-deconstructionism of the Cathedral...

>>13164852
I just read CoC and Macdonald quotes someone as saying that the different cultures will give the society more perspectives. Also, "Our diversity is our strength", but they give no argument for why it would be so.

>>13165433
>The inequality of wealth in modern society can be seen as a protestant development or catholic
Nobody is talking about wealth and there is literally zero imperative to attribute it's ubiquitous inequality to any particular Christian strain. Are you just talking to yourself?

>>13165625
If you are talking about modernity and equality then wealth is one form that must be considered.
>And zero blah blah
Protestant Ethic, or do you have no idea what the NRx are?
Are you retarded or just trying to mine pseud xp on an anonymous anti-cameralism chessboxing forum?

>>13165485
do lefties not notice the disingenuousness that seeps from their every word?

>>13165433
Is that why jews own most of the wealth and control all of our financial institutions?

>>13165625
And you posted
>material equality
in the OP. Fucking KYS.

Captcha needs to be basic logic problems.

>>13165640
I'm not a leftist, and that's not an argument.

>>13165433
>NRx are retards. The inequality of wealth in modern society can be seen as a protestant development or catholic. Reactionaries do not even see that they are part of the same system.
>>13165485
>Perhaps you have to mine data from foreign lands to try to understand society, but I am a Westerner and believe ideas of Western wealth should be considered in Western terms.
>But enjoy your right-deconstructionism of the Cathedral...
>>13165650
>I'm not a leftist, and that's not an argument.

>>13165646
Nice meme, but the prominence of Jews comes down to a number of other problems, primarily the Christian affinity with Judaism and the affinity of the Jewish spirit with humanist laws. It is only natural that people will come to approximate Jewish types when they begin to lose their own identity.
"Israel is our Cultural Brother."
A telling quote, and you idiots mostly supported him.

>>13164803
there is no such thing as equality

>>13165424
He cute

>>13165663
Imagine thinking this means something...
Go back to your nihilist forums and pretend you're not a leftist. No one will see through your bullshit, but here a few will.

>>13165667
The prominence of jews stems from whites allowing them to live in our countries and manipulate our people with ideologies that are bad for us. We should put the blame on our white leaders first, but that doesn't take away from the jewish problem.

>>13164921
>Implying Karl Marx or Rousseau were inspired by Reformed Christians and Calvinism
>Implying Reformed Christians believe people should be equal ideally
>Implying Reformed Christians believe all human beings are the same, when they differentiate between the elect and the unsaved, even of the elect are unmerited.
The modern sense of equality (in the sense people use when they talk about income equality, etc.) is primary drawn from Marxism, and or Post Industrial liberalism. You're conflation with very loosely and tangentially related concepts is purely conjecture.
Remember, /lit/, just because a two things share one or two vague ideas, doesn't mean they have inuenced each other.

>>13165678
Darwinism is a leftist/progressive idea. It is the politics of liberalism set against nature as a founding myth. That you adopt these ideas without question is telling.
As for the other part, you are just repeating what I said in a dumbed down and mechanistic form, then rejecting it. Your heroes lost the war, possibly because of their own adoption of Jewish traits.
This kills the poltard.

>>13165696
>Darwinism is a leftist/progressive idea.
Darwinism is a theory of biology, and all its implications are a huge problem for the progressive and leftist programs.

>>13165696
>>13165696
Liberalism originally reflected the utopian idealism of whites as they were breaking out of a backward, jewish-imposed ideology. Jews co-opted that with Marxism, which we have today, so again the problem stems from allowing jews into our countries in the first place.

>>13165709
You're an idiot with none of the traits of old methods of thought.
Absolutely Modernized.

>>13165715
The world isn't this simple sweaty.
If you believed in absolute hierarchy you would learn to shut your mouth and respect your betters.

>>13165716
That's nice but doesn't contradict my post

>>13165696
>Darwinism is a leftist/progressive idea
the thing is lefties today aren't progressives, they're switcheroo conservatives

>>13165720
Hierarchy occurs naturally, it's not about believing or disbelieving in it.

>>13165726
Perhaps in some corrupted definition, but not the actual definition of conservatism. They remain progressive.

>>13165726
>the thing is lefties today aren't progressives, they're switcheroo conservatives
why

>>13164803
Read the beginning of Hobbes' Leviathan. While people are not strictly speaking equal, no man is truly above the rest. We haven't any super heroes or demi-gods in real life. You may be stronger and cleverer than me, but I'm still strong enough to kill you or pull a cheap trick, and I can just find a buddy or two and at that point we'll be stronger. Trying to set up the strong above the weak will just result in the weaker people banding together to take down a common enemy.

>>13164852

>>13164852
Because it's a religion.

>>13164803
Fuck off, Johan.

That people are unequal doesn't imply that people should be unequal.

>>13164852
something something diverse perspectives mumble mumble antifragile

>>13165907
why should/how can they be equal and in what respects

why does 4chan, a website consistently frequented by the least able-bodied, least attractive, least intelligent, least sociable, least self-aware, and least likable people, simultaneously hate and argue against equality

>>13165963
>least able-bodied, least attractive, least intelligent, least sociable, least self-aware, and least likable people,
it's not healthy to view yourself this way m8

>>13165966
Just sayin

>>13165235
>despite minor differences in strength and mental acuity.
>minor
What the fuck, how delusional one must be to write this shit

>>13165963
>why do rural and suburban retards vote against their own economic interest?
vote Hilldawg

>>13165963
Maybe because we realise that we will never get to the top and the view that society can be levelled to produce complete equality is laughably naive. There's always going to be someone dictating the terms, and it's not going to be us.

can somebody defend how it is we compare ability between people and from what underlying value the good of these abilities stem.

I'm still not convinced that Rousseau was wrong when he said that all notions of competition and comparison are just arbitrary and ultimately baseless versions of jealousy,--itself nearly just an anxiety of being with other people.

>>13165963
I'm pretty cool :)
Fuck equality though

>>13165983
very rational, personally I just have Conan the barbarian power fantasies

>>13165983
You could always become an anarchist.

>>13164803
There's no equal opportunity for everyone in the world so there's that. I can't say that a privileged American who's got a degree from MIT is better than a Russian dude who didn't because they didn't have equally good upbringing, attentive parents, and money for good college. The point of equality is to give everyone equal opportunities and necessities, like healthcare and all.

>>13165963
especially considering 4chan’s only redeemable quality is the anonymity it provides. there’s little to none of the trash that plagues most other online forums (upvotes, powerusers, power tripping mods posting in threads, etc) so I happily go through every single one of your faggots’ posts when I enter a thread since the only way to judge them is purely by their content. I’d probably disregard 90% of the shit on here without reading it if I got to lay eyes irl on the person who wrote it. If that’s not equality I don’t know what is.

>>13166056
>so I happily go through every single one of your faggots’ posts when I enter a thread since the only way to judge them is purely by their content.
How do you not conclude from this that 99% of humanity is subhuman garbage that needs a a strong leader to rule them with an iron fist? Just take a look at this thread, it's just retards flinging shit everywhere. I still haven't gotten a decent answer to my question in the OP.

>>13164803
>What exactly is the basis for the belief in equality?
keeping peasants in line

>>13165696
correct Darwinism is modernist religion and supreme truth

A lot of redditers in this thread.

>>13164803
>What exactly is the basis for the belief in equality?
weakness

Confusion regarding what Catholicism says about equality.

It teaches equality only when it comes to the ontological dignity, but not anything other than that.
We're equal in a sense, equal because we share a common human nature that we possess entirely but not totally, "totus sed non totaliter".
And it stops there.
We're not equal when it comes to operative dignity, neither are we when it comes to our material and intellectual potentialities.
All horses share the same nature and are equal regarding that, but an arabian horse is not the same as a common nag. They're not equal.

>>13164803
ye it is essential to the liberal ideal i.e. locke (classical liberalism) that everyone has equal capacity to learn to the best of their ability so they may participate in a society organised by rational contracts with each other, and where the best of their ability are rewarded in turn. contemporary liberalism argues that minorities and women are not subject to this perfect, ideal control of rational education (because of interference by social reality) and thus cannot be said to participate in such a society in a just and fair manner. there's literally no other way to interpret contemporary society other than this philosophical angle. the rational subject and the contract are this era's biggest defining facets

>>13166241
this image is a fucking embarrassment to the point it is trying to raise

>>13166350
Faggot.

>>13165963
Because ideologies that extol rabid individualism are incredibly stupid. Therefore, the only people who adhere to them do so because they love the aesthetics of these beliefs. They don't fit in with society, and because of that they fall in love with ideologies that sing praise to anti-social beliefs. The vast majority of randlets are teens and young adults who get bullied in high-school and the only reason that it's so is because they still believe that when they grow up they'll be a millionaire and they don't want their bullies to have worker's rights.

>>13164852
have you ever noticed how the all those people promoting multiculturalism and diversity never include straight white Christians or Trump supporters in their spectrum?

>>13166794
That is not how it works. Whites are individualists by nature and that individualism is a product of nature. It's a good trait if you want to produce explorers and innovators and creative works of art, etc., but it's a bad trait if you have to band together as a race to get rid of tens of millions of shitskins jews let into your country.

>>13165246
t. incurable shilltard
Lets start by revoking your equality and imposing special privileges at your expense.

>>13166213
NRx is reddit. What did you expect?

>>13165963
cool projection, retard
not everyone here is a pathetic leftist faggot like you

>>13168249
That's a worrying sign if true, anon.

>>13165963
Based Kafka trap poster

>>13168238
Nah, I'm going to kill you leech, or some leeches like you

>>13164803
Maybe because it's an evident fact that most people when given a choice naturally prefer to not submit to lesser privilege in exchange for an insectoid tyranny and also keep great resentment for the slightest mistreatment as Machiavelli wrote.
Yes when they are of this magnitude the collective feefees of the majority should be observed as a principle to be adhered to, in part because simply killing each other into submission does not seem to be sustainable or feasible.

>>13168321
Judging by your meager intellect I'd bet that you would probably neutralize your own self by accident in the attempt.

>>13164803
>What exactly is the basis for the belief in equality?

To prevent any sort of truthful discrimination and to keep the slaves content and resentful - to ratify envy and the rat-race

>>13165693
>just because a two things share one or two vague ideas
They could even share the same name and yet be two distinctly different things being expressed by people with different perspectives.

>>13168207
> claims that a social grouping that has little basis in biology is "naturally" predisposed towards individualism
Every single time.

>>13164803
People believe in equality for the same reason they do religion; it gives them hope and to a certain degree unifies them. If everyone is equal than it follows that anyone could do anything if they just try hard enough.

>>13169889
>that has little basis in biology
Boasian detected

>>13164852
Literally the only good one (and ironically most shallow) is muh food

>>13169917
I never really saw this. It always seemed to stem out of jealousy to me. Any unification that I have seen rally around this topic has been jealous assholes that want to hamstring others that are actually doing something so they can feel better about their laziness. You cannot raise everyone to the same level of excellence but you can lower everyone to the same level of incompetence.

>>13164803
I blame the founding fathers for starting a country founded on those ideals which then went on to be the most powerful nation of all time. Modern liberal society (speaking broadly- conservatives fall under this too) don’t necessarily believe that people *are* equal but that anyone has the capability to achieve more or less whatever they want if given enough opportunity, resources and encouragement. And that is just wrong.

>>13164803
We should first change our perspective: is there a secular argument that justifies inequality?
Don’t come with and ought-is-fallacy

Now there is equality when we only consider us being human beings, philosophically. This is, imho, the point where these arguments are coming from...

>>13169951
That's not really what equality is though, and I think that you think too lowly of others.

The idea behind equality is that even a mental retard in a wheelchair is special and has something to contribute and isn't any worse than anyone else, just different. I know because I used to be an advocate for it myself until I realized how illogical it really is

>>13165983
I know right? I dream every night of a strong captain of industry or politician telling me what to do, and wake up with a massive erection. Thinking about a superior dominating me and everyone I care about makes me tremble with excitement.
Fuck equality and fuck (((freedom))), they're ruining my fantasies

>>13165225
Yeah, Nietzsche, and you would know this if any of you fags bothered to read him.
"God is Dead; but given the way of men, there may still be caves for thousands of years in which his shadow will be shown. And we — we still have to vanquish his shadow, too."

>>13164803
The pseudo-intellectual dream about the internet was that equal access to information would make people equal. It's like saying, "Dogs are now allowed in public libraries". But what does that mean? That dogs will suddenly start writing treatises on Leibniz? Subhumans' magical thinking believes that it is the stuff that makes people, while it is patent that it is people that make stuff. Books make you smart, they say, for example. But if you are not already smart, a smart book will make you stupider (this is how pseudo-intellectuals are created). Or they say, "Money made him powerful". No, he made money because he is powerful (intelligent, enterprising, audacious), and history is full of morons who inherited a ton of money and wasted all of it. If you needed money to make money, as poor people believe, there would be no rich people and we would still be living in caves today.
In fact, the opposite to what the pseudo-intellectuals believe is true. Not only will a less mentally gifted person employ the new technologies less efficiently than a more gifted one, but the lowest of them will even use them to their detriment. That's why I can use the internet to navigate straight to the best stuff ever written and create from that stunning philosophical solutions with clinical precision while y'all waste half your lives "surfing" and "browsing" shitty pages like morons, to the point of clinical addiction even. Not only are you not benefitting from the internet, but it is plain that y'all would have been far better off without it, since you are too fuckin' stupid to figure out how to use it properly.
That technology will lead to equality is an absurd delusion that could only ever be advanced by people who have not the faintest idea of how technology works, or that it is in fact precisely the expression of rising inequality. Consider biological technology for a moment, to see more simply, and thus more clearly, how progress works. Biological technologies are stuff like opposable thumbs, bicameral vision, larger brains, etc. Do you think all these advances led to equality with the amoebas and the plankton that failed to develop them? So why should the technological advances lead us there? In fact it is patent that the opposite is true, and that biological and technological advances are precisely the means by which inequality is created, and expanded! How fuckin' stoopid do you have to be to not fuckin' get that? All of you retarded resentful morons would have been much closer to equality with someone like Elon Musk, or even with me, back in the Stone Age. But now? Hahahahaha. No wonder you are hallucinating about equality today. Hallucinations are all you have left, I am afraid.

>>13170016
He never said that. But if he did he’d be a pretty bad writer. If god’s Shadow were showing in multiple caves around the world for thousands of years then he couldn’t be dead. Poor command of figurative language.

>>13170043
> If you needed money to make money, as poor people believe, there would be no rich people and we would still be living in caves today.

Imagine writing this and thinking you were superior

>>13170069
I’m imagining it, and it feels great.

>>13170001
>a mental retard in a wheelchair
>is special
goes without saying
>is equal under the eyes of the law
sort of - but he will be generally limited regarding consent
>is equal in the eyes of God
sure if that's your thing
>has something to contribute
maybe
>is equally capable of pole vaulting with olympic athletes that have trained to do so
No. Any argumentation on the topic requires that everyone first agree on the definitions of the primary terminology. "Equality" is a term that is viewed with a wide array of perspectives. At some level, you and I do not generally disagree; we are just viewing "equality" as different paradigms from each other.

>>13164852
multiculturalism is kind of unavoidable, so it's promoted by default. also, multiculturalism and consumerism seem to go hand in hand, i.e. the former helps prop up the latter, so it's a natural paradigm for businesses to foster

>>13170066
>god’s Shadow
Not any of those dudes, but what does this mean to you? I am only familiar with "God's Shadow" from studying Eliphus Levi.

>>13170069
Well it's true. Literally anyone in the western world can go to university and get an STEM degree and make 6 figures before they're 30.

>>13170066
gay science aphorism 108. Also, thank you for your comments on Nietzsche's expression on the death of appearance not being the death of essence, Sheldon from big bang theory.

>"talking to you is like talking to a brick wall"
>Well, penny, I do not look like a brick wall, for I am a conscious creature covered in pale skin, while brick walls have a much rougher facade of brown-red

>>13170069
ah, I do feel superior! I can feel your ressentiment through the screen, fragilista!

>>13170132
> falling for the college debt meme

Also the wealthiest doctors and programmers make a fraction of what your average trust fund kid "earns" by doing fuck-all

>>13170135
For figurative language to work it has to actually correspond to reality. The shadow thing is a rookie mistake. You could say “I moved my pen across the page like a sword dunking into a bowl of soup” but it would make no sense even though it creates an image in the reader’s mind and might sound poetic to some dumbass. Also thank you for comparing me to a genius even if he’s fictional.

>>13168207
>Whites are individualists by nature and that individualism is a product of nature
one anon once posted that whites had a natural "drive" given by natural selection, I'm guessing you're the same brainlet?

>>13168207
>It's a good trait if you want to produce explorers and innovators and creative works of art
since when did nature gave a fuck about art?

>>13169951
>they can feel better about their laziness
falling for the kike trick, I guess you think most rich people had it "hard" or "they pulled themselves by their bootstraps"

>>13164803
> You can't ban /pol/yps, you should give everyone the equal right to be heard!
> Spam /lit/ with shitposts about how equal rights before the law is a farce because people are different

>>13170215
>I guess you think most rich people had it "hard" or "they pulled themselves by their bootstraps"
You guessed wrong.

>>13169921
It's true. Race has so little basis in biology that even you retards are having trouble keeping track. Are Irish people white? Are slavs? Are mutts? Is the one drop rule just a meme? And so on. Like I said, the only people who dabble in this nonsense do it because they want to do the white man's version of WE WUZ KANGS

>>13170311
Good god you have no idea what you're talking about, race is just genetic distance, it's the branches of the tree of human evolution, populations separated from each other over time and evolved apart, that's it.

"white" has fuck all to do with anything

>>13170334
do u think that those with white skin might have a closer genetic distance to each other than to those of black or yellow skin

>>13170396
no shit but 'white' is not a relevant classification. Chechens are 'white'

>>13164803
Equality goes back to god.
Man made in his image thus we're equal.

Equity goes back to simple reason.
I choose to be nice to you because I presume I can gain from you actively through trade or passively through having to worry about you less by having both of us deceived through the apparent peace made between us.

Human rights are the basis of equality. It has gone so far that people actually believe people back then didn't have any rights if they weren't part of the ruling aristocracy and that their lives had no worth. Sad that people have been brainwashed
- rant about muh mythical betta place with betta ppl -

If I may then I'd say that the only equality people should have the rights to should be the right to be subject of the law to suffer from it and to benefit from it. Humans have no worth beyond what they're capable of producing. They should be ranked according to this and should all be subject to the same overall laws. The strongest thrive the weakest die and everyone in the middle is subject to gravitate toward one of these poles.
We can be charitable without having to enforce it, we can be good without being lectured about it, we can live as man and woman without having someone tell us what each of those terms define.

Three terms: Absolute Individualism, Absolute Meritocracy, Absolute Law

People can decide what they want and gain what they want from their own work and are only limited by the enforced opinions of those able to subject all to their will.

Man is a creature of conflict. Conflict should not be hampered and should actively be promoted. Those strongest have it in their own interest to provide stabiltiy while those weakest have it in their interest to innovate to become strong themselves replacing the strongest again creating more stability to secure their place through making most who are weak content.

Selfless pity is weakness and is and should be often enough punished. Those who are not are clearly not selfless and gain enough from providing pity and stability to be considered strong and thus useful.

There is neither good nor bad. Morality is collective equality.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strenght

Create progress, do not accept anything anyone has tells you simply consider it, simple conflict creates simple suffering, creates simple progress, creates simple people, creates simply happiness

it makes sense if you're totalitarian like me

>>13170403
>>13170396
>>13170334
>>13170311
>t.

>>13170311
Miss me with that strawman attack.

>>13165129
As far as I'm concerned, Christianity is designed to create a crisis of faith. Believers so commonly bounce back and forth between faith and atheism, and it's a jump away from satanism and gnosticism. Then you have all the denominations and their various takes, and the different versions of the Bible. If it was meant to be understood and applied accurately, it's a complete mess.

I like the Socratic view that states in the time of Kronos man was ruled by the gods and the gods were man’s shepherd, but in the time of Zeus man is left to his own devices, so it intuitively follows that since each man is free each man must be equal heirs to the throne. However, with logic this can be disproven, but for most people they just trust their intuition

>>13170311
Dumb nigger

>>13170403
Alright. How about Aryans then? What about PIE? Seems to suggest an important genetic-cultural tie

>>13170334
>>13170441
>>13170451
>>13170471
> SEETHING
Have sex. Unironically. The only reason you care so much about race is because the illusion of belonging to a group of people who were once "great" is the only thing you have going for you.

>>13170043

>>13170514
>>13168307

>>13170514
you're actually too dumb to grasp what is a very simple concept, hopefully you get hit by a truck and when you're getting an organ donation and they have to pick someone from your own race you dimly understand the concept before you die anyway

Why has this thread stayed up when it's not literature or philosophy? It should have been deleted and OP should have been banned.

>>13170523
>they have to pick someone from your own race
examples?

>>13170043
you sound like someone who's never had a job in his entire life

>>13170523
Keep crying little /pol/ redditor. You will never be a kewl viking like you think your ancestors were.

>>13170545
Labor is for the less intelligent. That's not too say I think it's unimportant or I'm unfit for it, but individuals that share my background and IQ are better suited as capital investors.

>>13170539
what are you asking me? here is some gov agency literally pleading minorities to sign up as organ donors
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/helping-you-to-decide/organ-donation-and-ethnicity/

>>13170526
Nigger, I was asking for some philosophical LITERATURE to help answer my question. It's not my fault no one actually reads on this board.

>>13170514
I only care because the modern discourse makes me care lmao, I'm pretty normalfag tier as far is this site goes

>>13170549
lol lefty/pol/ fag got his feelings hurt

>>13164803
>materially,

Out, capitalist supporting cuck fucking shit. OUT.

>>13170575
>Labor is for the less intelligent
so you're a trust fund baby who never had to deal with the hardships of life, and you think that makes you more valuable than other people, or even more virtuous because you never had to make difficult and important choices in your life. You roll around in your fruitless narcissism, while not realizing you are a waste of oxygen and space for society.
A real uebermensch would give up all his wealth and start from the bottom, from no money and no connection. But you will never do that, because you know you are not capable of doing jack shit without daddy's money. That's ok, nobody says you have to do it, but at least don't go around claiming you are worth shit because of daddy's money. No, you are not superior because you were born with a silver spoon, instead you are inferior for writing cringe posts where you brag about it as if you've earned it.

I skimmed this entire thread and not a single person has answered OP's question

>>13170549
>you just want to larp as a viking!
>larps as a superhero

>>13170549
/pol/ is mexicans not boomers

>>13170643
The New Testament.

>>13170575
something about you incites violence

>>13170132
Smart people start programming by 16 and retire by 30 though.

>>13170643
It's just shit flinging

>>13164803
It's the modern noble lie, stealth materialims dressed as humanism, capitalism with a human face, but the other options don't look nice either

>>13170641
> a REAL ubermensch would gib all his sheckles

Yeah nice try.

Also I feel no need to be ashamed for inheriting power and privelige. Shaming people over their heritage (which means more than genetic heritage) is one of the most harmful things the Left has convinced the world is normal.

You seem to be under the impression I need to "better myself" but I have already inherited the wisdom and morals of my father, not to mention my genetic predisposition to higher IQ, so why should I have to waste my time proving to bosses and teachers that I'm capable? Instead of taking pointless tests in boring subjects I could save everyone some time and plop down The Bell Curve in front of the principal's nose and say "IQ is heritable, and my father passed your classes with straight A's". That way I wouldn't be punished by teachers with an agenda for speaking the truth.

>>13165963
Nigga go to /fit/. Those who are above in 4chan excel among mankind.

>>13170468
You need better use of commas and em-dashes.

>>13170643
Posting the image of Hitler was clearly a big mistake, although otherwise it would have slid off the catalog with maybe 10 replies. /lit/ likes to think of itself as so much smarter than the other boards, I don't really think that's case anymore though.

>>13170575
>let them eat cake: the post

>>13170577
Not him, but interesting link. Actual learning occured. TY

>>13170730
>Shaming people over their heritage (which means more than genetic heritage) is one of the most harmful things the Left has convinced the world is normal.
you didn't have any problem in doing it when it was about implying poor people are subhumans. I hope you are 15 because otherwise you're pretty pathetic.

>You seem to be under the impression I need to "better myself" but I have already inherited the wisdom and morals of my father, not to mention my genetic predisposition to higher IQ, so why should I have to waste my time proving to bosses and teachers that I'm capable?
You are not superior until you have proved it to the world, faggot. Being born an an entitled pampered crybaby, you think the world owes you everything you want. But nobody owes you shit. If you want respect, whether it is in your faculties, your "morals" (could write a whole post about how stupid you are just for saying this), your abilities, your attitude etc. you have to earn them. I know, crazy right? Earning something must be a concept completely foreign to you.

>Instead of taking pointless tests in boring subjects I could save everyone some time and plop down The Bell Curve in front of the principal's nose and say "IQ is heritable, and my father passed your classes with straight A's". That way I wouldn't be punished by teachers with an agenda for speaking the truth.
Absolute cringe.
Look kid, shit is easy. Want people around you not to consider you a subhuman? Prove you're worth it.
Jacking off to your own mental masturbation while you spend daddy's money is proving the opposite. Either you start from zero and move your way up in life, and then you can talk shit about the less fortunate, or you shut the fuck up and keep your lame trust fund baby megalomania to yourself.

>>13170740
>above in
What does this combination of prepositions mean in your language?

>>13170730
Fuck it, the proles were right. There’s a guillotine with your name on it

>>13170774
>daddy's money
I have never seen anyone display that type of hubris so thickly unless they were old money; at least two previous generations.

>>13170188
Since humans are part of nature

>>13170774
> You didn't have a problem shaming poor people for their heritage
False equivalency, number one I don't hate poor people, I just think they're suited to different roles in life. Number two shaming someone for a lack of heritage is different from shaming them from their heritage.

> Earning something must be a concept entirely foreign to you
I earned my wealth by being intelligent, dipshit. That is how earning works, the resources are given to the people who deserve them, whether it's through a long unnecessary process or a simpler argument. Inheritance is a natural consequence of evolution and capitalism and there are mountains of books and YouTube videos supporting them. The social fabric of the West is built around this hereditary structure. You don't really think you can "refute" the entire Western tradition just because your jealous?

I don't need to waste my time proving to SJW teachers and jealous idiots like you that I deserve what I inherited. The law says I own it and as long as socialist idiots don't corrupt the law then I don't need to prove anything or give anything to people like you.

>>13170043
Decent post and not totally wrong, especially look at the seethe replies

On the other hand, you're probably a lot closer to seethe posters than Elon Musk and having delusions of grandeur- no offense but let's be honest and reasonable

>>13170154
Can confirm, know a trust fund beat who owns a house and a car and supports a baby and fought off a drunk driving charge (very guilty) and did tons of drugs and went to 3 extra years of college and has only ever worked part time retail, roughly 2 years out of the last 10

>>13170818
Being proud to carry on my family's tradition is "hubris" but demanding big government to make everyone equal is modesty. This is how far the West has fallen.

Do you not realize that I'm simply carrying on the old ways, that are our only hope against (((those))) who want to destroy us? Which do you think is more akin to your true enemy: proud White man who is willing to RISK HIS CAPITAL for you and invest in your company, or the sub-humans at the gate clammering for their share?

The minute you turn on me the fabric of society will unravel and everything will go to shit. Just look at Russia and Venezuela.

>>13164803

no one argues that everyone is equal including leftists
leftists argue that everyone should be treated equally under the law. they are not saying every one is equal(in iq, in athletic ability, in height, in weight, in speaking skills, etc)

>>13170944
This is our representative of the new aristocracy, a petulant merchant’s brat whose understanding of “the West” is pure, liberal capitalism.

>>13164852
multiculturalism doesn't really exist. leftists, for example, don't tolerate conservative racist cultures which means they aren't really "multicultural". they only tolerate cultures that are in line their liberal values.

If they were, they would tolerate cultures that are racist. they would have no problem have nazis

Great thread, OP.

>>13170872
>False equivalency, number one I don't hate poor people, I just think they're suited to different roles in life
> Number two shaming someone for a lack of heritage is different from shaming them from their heritage.
re-read this, slowly. Again and again until you realize how fucking retarded and lacking self-awareness you are.

>Me inheriting money from daddy proves I am smart
Holy shit, you must be trolling
>nheritance is a natural consequence of evolution and capitalism and there are mountains of books and YouTube videos supporting them. The social fabric of the West is built around this hereditary structure. You don't really think you can "refute" the entire Western tradition just because your jealous?
ok, you went too far, now it's way too obvious you're just baiting. It was a good try anon, you got me many times!

>jealous idiots like you that I deserve what I inherited.
If there's one thing I am sure of, is that I would never want to be you (even if you are just pretending to be retarded), regardless of how big my bank account would be.

>>13164852
multiculturalism doesn't really exist. leftists, for example, don't tolerate conservative racist cultures which means they aren't really "multicultural". they only tolerate cultures that are in line with their liberal values.

they'll defend progressive islam but they will not defend conservative islam that enslaves women

>>13171006
Your only argument is calling me what you are to try and confuse me? I'm not a liberal or a (((merchant))), I'm 100% white. And you're goddamn right I'm a capitalist you jealous cuck.

>>13170961
HA. I'd like to know where you get your information

>>13171035
>don't tolerate conservative racist cultures
they do though, they let arab Muslims be racist and homophobic and sexist

>>13171049

>they do though, they let arab Muslims be racist and homophobic and sexist


do you have an example of this?

i am pretty sure leftists don't tolerat muslims throwing gays off of a roof or enslaving women
>>13171038

name one liberal who says everyone is equal in ability and quality?
you won't one because this is a strawman of the right to make the left look ridiculous

>>13164852
B-but muh ethnic food!

>>13171066

won't find one*


what right-wingers will do is point to leftists supporting some dumb progressive muslim and act like leftists are supporting muslims as a whole.

>>13171034
> Your only arguments are "haha ur dum cuz I say u are" and "troll"

Well it was nice chatting but I'm sorry you ran out of arguments. Why do leftists have such little intellectual stamina?

Oh and I never said inheriting money proves I'm smart, that's a total strawman. The heritability of IQ proves I'm smart and there have already been extensive books written about it. It just so happens that Western culture evolved in a way that takes best advantage of this effect even before geneticists could prove it.

>>13164921
The origin of these beliefs is in Anthropocentric Humanism and they became more crazy with the French Revolution

>>13164852
Cheaper workforce

>>13171066
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/mar/04/birmingham-school-stops-lgbt-lessons-after-parent-protests
Pretty sure white parents would be arrested for hate speech if they did this

>>13171105

what is this supposed to prove? if you asked leftists about this they would say the parents are homophobic cunts.

>>13171036
Alright, you got me. Good show

>>13171066
I would generally accept three forms of equality; natural, that of opportunity, and that of outcome. You are correct I suppose. Very few if any people support the idea of natural equality (i.e. everyone IS equal or equally capable). We already have equal opportunity. The new move is towards equal outcomes. There is no justifiable reason for this development

>>13171117
A British non-Muslim would be jailed for hate speech before that protest even got out of the planning phase.

>>13170156
You are the dumbass. As I've already explained, the shadow is the effect the concept of the religion had on man (aka god's essence). A shadow is your "effect".

You are so dumb, so unbelievably dumb, that you think dead things don't have shadows. I am in awe at your disconnect and elitism, at how intelligent you think you are, especially when you think DEAD THINGS CANT HAVE FUCKING SHADOWS. HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS EVEN EXIST? THESE ARE SERIOUSLY THE PEOPLE IM TALKING TO? return back to earth, guy.

>>13164803

You're committing an is-ought fallacy

>>13171133

>The new move is towards equal outcomes.

taking money from the top to support the bottom(so they don't go homeless and starve or they don't die because they don't have health insurance) is not the same as equalizing outcome. equalizing outcome would be forcing everyone to receive the same income. i have never heard a liberal argue for this

>>13171159
It's a move towards equal outcomes. You cannot say equalizing wealth (generally the only measurable outcome) is not a form of equalized outcome. Yes, equal pay or whatever would be more severe, but you won't trick me.
Furthermore, you can't tax me if I don't work. Fuck off

>>13171159
I like that Rose McDowall kind of look she gives.

>>13171172

>You cannot say equalizing wealth

no liberal or leftists want to equalize wealth

redistributing wealth is not the same as equalizing wealth. there would still be wealth people in the society bernie sanders wants

>>13171197

wealthy people*

>>13171197
So, if equal is to say a difference of 0, then something approaching a difference of 0 is more equal than something not approaching 0 or less close to 0 (for example, a difference of 1 is more equalized than a difference of 59). Now, let's say the modern wealth inequality (i.e. between net worth of the richest vs poorest) is at a difference of 100. If redistribution of wealth brings that difference down to say, 50, 60, 75, or any number under 100 then it is a move towards equalized (0 difference) wealth.

>equal outcome
>multiculturalism

two strawmen the right use against the left

the funny thing is leftists don't even support these positions
multiculturalism would entail the toleration of barbaric practices and conservative practices among cultures. for this reason multiculturalism and progressivism are at odds with each other


wealthy people would still be wealthy in a society that most leftists envision, because wealth redistribution is not the same as wealth equalization(or whatever you want to call it).
taxing a billionaire is not the same as taking his wealth away and making him earn an income the same as a macdonalds worker

>>13171261
Who supports that stuff then

>>13171261
leftists dont even agree with each other about what leftism means so excuse me for not giving a shit about your random ideal societies, in practice you're a bunch of cunts agitating for Somalis to come live in my country for no possible rational reason

>>13171274

your country must have not been that conservative if they let in somalis. why are you living in a liberal country? move

>>13171288
>move
Yeah or we can do the other thing

>>13171288
>just roll over and let the Somalis fuck your country's asshole
Or he could kill them?

>>13171288
Once you let the eternal Swede in the eternal Somali follows sooner or later

>>13171292

you would still be living in a liberal shithole even without the darkies. getting rid of the arkies isn't going to solve the problem.

also what is wrong with somalis if they make your country more conservative? they hate gays don't they? if you hate gays, then you agree with them on something.

>>13171309
So, kill liberals and 5arkies? Sounds good

>>13171274
Libertarians, liberals, and conservatives also want less restrictive immigration than you. Singling out people for not liking your political policy is kinda stupid.

>>13170944
>Being proud to carry on my family's tradition is "hubris"
No, you were being a pompous asshole. I assume the earlier generations of your family to have been less like you.
>but demanding big government to make everyone equal is modesty
Strawman argument that I never stated.
>don't turn on me
I'm not. You're just being pompous.

>>13171309
This doesn't really merit a reply but I wasn't talking about removing the darkies. The darkies in fact would cease to be a problem when the larger problem is fixed.

>>13170961
>no one argues that everyone is equal
You apparently missed the "beauty comes in all sizes" paradigm.

>>13171081
>The heritability of IQ proves I'm smart
That only proves that you had a relatively high probability.

>>13171117
>they would say the parents are homophobic cunts
Show me one of these leftists criticizing a Muslim for such and not being stifled by his own kind for intolerance.

>>13171497
forget about being 'stifled' some Dutch faggot politician was literally assassinated by a lefty for pointing out that Muslims hate homos(among other things)

>>13171512
Please, point to this for my collection.

>>13171081
>>13171345
High iq people can still be socially maladapted, neurotic, hold foolish beliefs, etc.

>>13171798
I am not arguing against that probability. I am probably guilty of all three of those myself - just not as guilty as our resident dilettante.

The idea that 'everyone is equal' is easily refutable, because I disagree with it.

>>13164803
>What exactly is the basis for the belief in equality

Slave morality

>>13164803
>What exactly is the basis for the belief in equality
The lack of any shared value or metric by which to measure men.

>>13164852
Mexican food.

>>13172436
>Mexican food

>>13172716
Damn that looks good.

>>13170154
College debt is a very anglo meme

>>13164803
Read Rawls and stop making stupid threads.

>>13165247
it's actually scary how you can spot a player character just by looking

>>13172761
>Read Rawls
Cringe

>>13172767
They did not have as much processor power to dedicate to the NPCs back then. There was always a resolution offset between the two so they could dedicate more processing power to the player characters.

>>13164803
Jesus fucking chirst this is a shit thread. Equality can be justified very simply in any 'do unto others...' ethical paradigm (as well as like, most other western ethical positions). This is a christian concept but doesn't have to be based in christianity.
>Put myself in the shoes of any other adult person
>Would I suffer if I was treated unequally compared to my fellow man due to factors I had no say in
>Clearly yes
>Then inequality is bad
Unless you're after an ethical argument which outlines why you should be good to others at all, its that simple.

>>13173120
But who constitutes "others." I certainly do not nor could view the average nigger as an equal.

>>13173127
Then you're a brainwashed moron who doesn't interact with worthwhile people

>>13173132
He’s right though. I’m not athletic enough to compete in the olympics, does that somehow ,age the olympics unfair?

>>13173136
The implication when people discuss 'equality' is that you were given an equal shot at competing in athletics and weren't subject to prejudice for any factor other than your individual ability

>>13173132
But I live around nigger and am asked for money and drugs from them daily. I grew up in a city and went to public schoo. Try again. I certainly do feel bad for niggers. I'd never want to be one. Which is why they should be killed. That's type of life is one no one should have to live

>>13171094
>benefits

>>13173170
>he works blue-collar
OH NON NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHA

>>13173144
I never had a personal trainer. I never took any steroids.
On the other side, should I call myself an Olympic competitor? Since I could have, if only I dedicated myself to it.
See the issue? Equality requires the assumption that everyone is perfectly equal. Adding any external forces on it causes it to break down.
Now, equality under the law is fine, since it is written, and therefore must be necessarily vague. But actual equality between people is foolish.

>>13165693
>implying Marx advocated for equality

Read a book

>>13173258
>the elimination of class divisions isn’t a form of equality

>>13164803
When people say "equality" they mean equal protections under the law. Of course you can't take away every single difference in people or the way they live, I cant name a single thinker who seriously wanted to make everybody the same person. In fact, if you want meritocracy, where people who are better in their fields rise to the top, egalitarianism is a good way to achieve this, everyone starting out with the same chance. Of course, not everything is perfect all the time (especially not now) but equal protection under the law (which is, again, what people mean when they say equality) helps to ameliorate some disparities, although not all could ever be erased.
Of course, we all know what fascists are doing when they say that "equality is stupid because some people are naturally better at some things".

>>13173279
Egalitarianism works directly against the stated concerns. If you want equality under law, you've already got that. And people continue to be unequal because they are

>Rich people shill for secularism and privilige to stay rich and priviliged

>Poor people shill for equality to escape poverty

This philosophical "debates" would be easily uncovered as the class warfare they actually are if this site displayed every anons bank account balance next to his post.

>>13165857
very nice
> t. molly tibbett's dad

>>13166589
No, he's right. Stop posting that piece of shit.

Are you being intentionally deceiving, /pol/ shill? You used two different possible meanigs for "equality" in your post. Equality as in legal principle and equality as in well equality. Nobody argues that people are equal, but that they should be treated equally. The fact that people are not equal does not imply that they should be treated unequally by law.

>>13173228
What an illiterate half baked strawman of an argument

>>13164803
What is is and What is not is not.

>>13173289
>If you want equality under law, you've already got that

>>13173390
>Mollie Tibbett died because some white Republicunt was too lazy to hire legal immigrants


Racists are just as lazy and dumb as the immigrants they claim to hate.

>>13174195
Proof that that's not the case?

>>13173120
>its that simple
Yes, it is very simple if you ignore opie's fundamental premise.

>>13173272
Read Critique of Gotha program, Marx explicitly argues against "one-sided equality"

>>13174195
>>13174214
Oj Simpson and Rkelly proved its not about race, it's about money

>>13174427
But, ignoring implementation, there *is* equality under law

>>13173881
What a moronic response.
I tried to put it in terms you would understand, I see I failed.

Privilege is good.

>>13173136
>I’m not athletic enough to compete in the olympics
have you tried curling?

>>13173402

I fail to see how it's possible for the Law to treat all as equal since the superior man will always be able to turn whichever neutral criteria you set up to his advantage.

>>13164810
read kant and kelsen
end yourself

pick one and carry on

>>13176589
It's "equality under law". Consider John Adams:
>https://historylessons.net/a-nation-of-laws
There is still the taint of main but the imperfect laws are put in place to do what good they can. We have found no perfect solution but we have "under law" covered.

>>13174434
>But, ignoring implementation, there *is* equality under law
Okay but you can't ignore implementation

>>13164803
It's okay to be different

>>13175444
Yeah your shit argument is his fault
>>13173228
You were allowed the opportunity to have a trainer and steroids though were you not? No one I've ever met has argued that peoples inherent abilities should all be made equal, just that we should dismantle systematic and social biases which allow, for example, a tall person to be taken more seriously than a short one (or whatever prejudice) in a setting where height is irrelevant. As far as I see it the push for 'equality' by liberals is about removing biases against people for their context-irrelevant features. If you think the average liberal wants everyone to have identical genetic ability you're clueless, and if you can't see why 'equality' in the sense that it is discussed by liberals is potentially good you either have some very unusual ethical position (potential fair enough) or you're just an idiot

>>13170043
Amazed that nobody recognizes this. It's from Orgy of the Will.

>>13177711
The implementation is done by men. The argument is that the men are imperfect, though I certainly allow the fact that perfect law would surpass imperfect man.

Autism, or autism spectrum disorder (ASD), refers to a broad range of conditions characterized by challenges with social skills, repetitive behaviors, speech and nonverbal communication.

>>13177851
Actually, it doesn't. You either have autism or you don't. There is no spectrum. Now for maybe psychopathy, there is most certainly a spectrum, from BPD, to APD, etc.

>>13164852
Well because they bring a unique perspective to the table which helps -- lmao just kidding it's all financially motivated.
No one actually gives a fuck about helping immigrants beyond ineffectual social media posturing -- it's about money. More people means more debt and more competition to drive down wages and more votes for my football team's politcal party.

>>13178703
Don't forget it also helps erode whatever local culture existed before so now you can sell an identity to the masses that you diversified. Why let the peasants identify with a nation, religion, or whatever when you can take that from them and sell them the ability to identify as a Star Wars fan.