/lit/ - Literature

>>13154873
And the leftie is a self concerned minority who is primarily driven by hate and ironically more likely to bring about a fascist state.

have sex

>>13154880

Yeah. No.

>>13154873
>'The Right' is the intellectual rationalistic-romantic belief that one can conquer reality by means of waiting.

>>13154873
Yes. Reading der Untergang des Abendlandes right now, btw.

I don't get why his books are so hard to find.

Apparently, there's a book of aphorisms, but I can't find a digital copy or an inexpensive physical copy.

>Gedanken, c. 1941 (ed. by Hildegard Kornhardt) – Aphorisms (translated by Gisela Koch-Weser O’Brien).

>>13154873
Yeah well too bad they need to control everything and everyone so they're just worthless hypocrites

>>13154968
HOLY SHIT ANON

>>13154904
So this is the power of traditionalists

>>13155272
>Spengler
>traditionalist

>>13155284
>Spengler
>Progressivist

>>13155342
He's neither a traditionalist nor a progressivist. One of the problems that Spengler suffers from is that he realizes that clinging to traditions is futile, but that he also realizes that the entire concept of 'progress' is an illusion that does not make sense outside of a particular epoch of a particular civilization, namely the Late West.

>>13154873
That's actually a pretty good description.

How do you determine what a prime symbol is? How big brained was this guy?

>>13155342
>Progressivist
no such word

>>13154873
Isn't one of Marxs big problems is that he is too literal with the materialistic world and not abstract enough?

>>13155413
Not at all

>>13154873
>only the left believes this

>>13155413
Marxism is a dialectic materialism. Not to say the rest of this thread is any better.

>>13155413
>implying the material world is reality and not itself an abstraction based on universal phenomena
Bitch!

>>13155350
>One of the problems that Spengler suffers from

How is what you describe a problem? Is it that it restricts his intellectual horizon?

>>13155413
Marx was already BTFO by Weber and Spengler put the last nail in the coffin.

>>13155425
>Marxism is dialectical materialism
You never read Capital, did you?

>>13154873

Linking romance and reason in this way is interesting.

>>13155448
romantic as in romanticism, dumbo.

>>13155446
Did you ever read?

>>13155441
It's a problem in the sense that Spengler is caught between two fires, and that he cant really do anything about it, other than stoically ride this life out. Spengler, despite his insistence on being impersonal and descriptive, can't help but let normative judgments shine through near the end of Decline, as a doctor who is describing a disease and how healthy tissue is superior to diseased tissue. Spengler, just like the progressives, recognizes that the West is diseased. But unlike the progressives, Spengler also recognizes that there is no cure for this disease.

>>13155453

I know, but it's still interesting. The romantics are usually conceived as having emotion as their wellspring. Emotion is often contrasted, or even opposed, to reason.

>>13155471
Old age is not a disease.

>>13155479
>Emotion is often contrasted, or even opposed, to reason.
By stupid people who are affected by being called emotional.

>>13155579
The decline of the body and its inevitable death can be seen as a disease.

>>13155443
Proof?

>>13155595
It's also an SCP

>nobody in this thread has read Marx
>nobody in this thread has read the Frankfurt School

>rationalistic-romantic

A contradiction in terms

>>13155434
>Implying matter isn't a universal
>Implying a dualism between abstraction and the General
Cryptonominalist suede

>>13154873
He's quite eloquently worded exactly the gripes I've tried to articulate for a while.

>>13154873
woah..

>>13155690
no

>>13154873
Its funny when right wingers say this crap given that marxists don't even believe anything can be abstracted from the material world.

>>13155767

He means abstraction not as a process, but abstraction as a privileging of abstract ideas. Take dialectical materialism for example.

>>13155783
But dialectical materialism isn't an abstract idea, its a form of logic.

>>13155767
>stalin
>marxist

>>13155803
>literally wrote 12 volumes of work about marxism
>not a marxist

>>13155809
Stalin was unironically closer to Hitler than he was to Marx.

>>13155815
This is complete nonsense. Anyone who has read even a sentence Stalin wrote would know he's nothing like Hitler.

>>13155824
Yeah, and anyone who read anything about what Stalin DID knows he was very close to Hitler.

>>13155847
Like what? Other than that there was some violence involved in their states, what similarity is there?

>>13155793
>dialectical materialism isn't an abstract idea, its a form of logic.

>>13155879
The kernal of it literally comes from a book called "The Science of Logic"

>>13155875
>some violence in their states
Just how high on tankie-ism are you?

>>13155887
>the book has Logic in the title, therefore it's logic
Come on man

>>13155891
I'm no tankie. Aside from high body counts and poor outsider backgrounds Stalin and Hitler had little in common.

>>13155903
>totalitarian system unparalleled in any other country
>Extreme nationalism
>both revolve around religion-like cult of personality
>emphasis on strong leader as ultimate source of truth
Found both in Hitler and Stalin, but absolutely not in Marx

>>13155899
Logic is a form of deductive reason using axioms. That's what dialectical materialism is, it has three laws and you use them to investigate things.

>>13155879
>logic isn't an abstract idea

>>13155887
Mate, Marx literally wanted to invert Hegel. Don't give Science of Logic as proving or giving the argumentation for dialectical materialism.

>>13156371
Invert but keep "its logical kernal" as marx said.

>>13156000
Logic is a general science and is only abstracted by formalism. imbecile

>>13156386
>abstract: thought of apart from concrete realities, specific objects, or actual instances
yeah logic is abstract

>>13156399
Like I said, logic is only abstract when formalized.
Read Peirce retard.

>>13154904
>using your own sister as your housekeeper

How much I envy him.

Why do all these right wing philosophers look so scary.

>>13156444
Social awkwardness/isolation.

>>13156444
>Spengler
>Right wing
ok retard

>>13156457
That's almost every philosopher

>>13156461

>>13155928
Given what Spengler said about Russia, Hitler and Stalin are only superficially similar. In Hitler there is the last rebellion by the Culture against the Civilization; the Nazi movement was a reaction against Civilization and Hitler effectively wanted to pause time and live in the late Culture period forever, one of the reasons Spengler thought he was a degenerate.

Stalin on the other hand is a product of the Russian pre-Culture that had Western Marxism forced on it. Russian people lived mostly rurally, characteristic of pre-Culture periods, and had no interest in Late period Western urban world-improvement theories like Marxism. Spengler noted that already by the early 1930s the Russians had almost completely abandoned Marxist ideals. Stalin was like a pre-Culture king in 20th century dictator's clothing.

Freedom and democracy are also Western bourgeois ideals that Russians don't see any real value in, which is why nowadays Putin is like a pre-Culture king in 21st century "democratic" clothing.

>>13156466
Not a real philosopher.

>>13155928
They share one thing in common: both systems believed that they ruled by the consent of "the people". Which is to say, both fascism and communism were democratic movements.

>>13156645
William James

>>13154904
He was a literal NEET.

>>13156444
Masculine sadness.

>>13154942
I think I can see the pain, even though he tries to mask it

>>13154942
Rogers Crouton takes a deep breath through his nose. What's he smelling, /lit/?

>>13155690
Idealism is usually seen as the romantic movement in philosophy. What’s a more romantic notion than the world as idea?

>>13158888
German idealism mayber, but no one associates Berkeley with romanticism.

>>13155443
>source: my ass