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What are some books that celebrate evil as an essence that is magnificent, divine, glorious, etc. Preferably if they try to philosophically justify it.

>> No.13145142

>>13145129
my diary desu

>> No.13145218

>>13145129
It's gonna be awesome when a pack of nigger youths kick your crooked teeth out.

>> No.13145287

>>13145218
Ok, but do you know any literature or not?

>> No.13145301

>>13145129
Nietzsche and Georges Sorel.

>> No.13145319
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13145319

>>13145129
Stop watching anime

>> No.13145331
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13145331

if something is evil then it cannot be justified. if it was 100% justifiable then it would not be evil

>> No.13145335

>>13145142

nice

>> No.13145340

de sade

>> No.13145378

>>13145331
Evil is justifiable in artistic mediums, where they have no true consequence, and simultaneously consist of important ideas. But evil enacted on real things is on the contrary reprehensible, but that in no way means we shouldn't read people who advocated for treachery, as you seem to imply that it would be unintelligible to do so.

>> No.13145392

>>13145129
This isnt evil anon its ok when people i disagree with that get brutally murdered in a firestorm
Do it again bobum hagrid!

>> No.13145403
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13145403

>"...[The bombing of Dresden] was in my view, a morally ambiguous event."

>> No.13145404

Blood Meridian

>> No.13145416

>>13145404
This.

>> No.13145438

>>13145129
Well there is a problem that >>13145331 is pointing out. The word Evil is used in the West as the opposite of Good, and in the literature that celebrates what >we consider evil (as violence, death, sexual desire, the will of power, anime), Good is another way of saying divine, glorious, powerful and violent, whereas Evil usually signals the cowards and the faggots. In this way Homer and all of presocratic Greece could be a good source of fantastic literature (I recommend Giorgio Colli’s studies). Ancient Germanic literature could be another interesting source in this direction.
But, considering the celebration of Evil in a western fashion, were Evil means cruelty, De Sade is probably the writer you are thinking of.
>t. Butthurt Nietzchean

>> No.13145545

>>13145438
I'm primarily thinking of literature that advocates for the violence against other creatures; degrading them, perhaps trickery. Anything that diminishes the lives of living things. The Greek literature, from what I've read, certainly glorified violence; and de sade with his 120 days exploring degradation, debauchery, and so on... Although I've only watched the movie.

>> No.13145567

>>13145404
came here to post this
>It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.

>> No.13145869

>>13145545
>>13145545
Now that you say it, Lautrémont is also an incredible writer in those subjects (the violence and crudeness in thar book are hard to describe). I strongly suggest you to check out the Eddas, and the Nibelung saga. The Nords were particularly crude regarding the degradation of weaker forms of life.
Salve, Anon.

>> No.13145920
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13145920

>>13145129
Sade, Bataille, Baudelaire, Moravagine, Maldoror

>> No.13146079

>>13145331
This.

>> No.13146197

Evola would probably be this for most modern people desu

>> No.13146228

>>13145129
malum in se or malum prohibitum?

>> No.13146250

You bros have got to help me... I'm trying to remember a specific word that is escaping the reach of my worthless fucking brain. It is a word used to describe the apocalypse or an apocalyptic hymn/song. It might be latin but I can not say for sure. Please help if you are able my sanity is ebbing and my head quaking. Grrrr

>> No.13146256

>>13146250
Eschaton?

>> No.13146264

>>13145129
Nietzsche, obviously. Am I the only person that reads on this board?

What preserves the species. - The strongest and most evil spirits have so
far done the most to advance humanity: time and again they rekindled
the dozing passions - every ordered society puts the passions to sleep - ,
time and again they reawakened the sense of comparison, of contradiction, of delight in what is new, daring, unattempted; they forced men
to pit opinion against opinion, ideal model against ideal model. Mostly
by force of arms, by toppling boundary stones, by violating pieties - but
also by means of new religions and moralities! In every teacher and
preacher of what is new we find the same 'mischief' that makes
conquerors infamous, even if its expression is subtler and does not
instantly set the muscles in motion and for just that reason does not
make one as infamous! What is new, however, is under all circumstances
evil, being that which wants to conquer, to overthrow the old boundary
stones and pieties; and only what is old is good! In every age the good
men are those who bury the old thoughts deeply and make them bear
fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But that land is eventually exhausted,
and the ploughshare of evil must come time and again. Nowadays there
is a thoroughly erroneous moral theory which is celebrated especially in
England: it claims that judgements of 'good' and 'evil' sum up experiences of what is 'expedient' and 'inexpedient'; that what is called good
preserves the species while what is called evil harms it. In truth,
however, the evil drives are just as expedient, species-preserving, and
indispensable as the good ones - they just have a different function.

>> No.13146276

>>13146256
Negative. But I do appreciate the input. HNNGGGHHH

>> No.13146287

>>13146197
What does that even mean?

>> No.13146291

>>13146250
>>13146276
>>13146256

NEVERMIND!! I just remembered!!!! Thank the feckless void. I was thinking of Dies Irae. I feel so much better now. Ahhh

>> No.13146391
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>>13146264
Absolute evil in regards to preserving the species would either be ending the species or creating something worse than an end, aka the Last Man.
Nietzsche once again shows his brainlet power.

>> No.13146432

>>13146391
What is the juxtaposition of these quotes supposed to mean? Secondly, that picture isn't Nietzsche, and Nietzsche served in the Franco-Prussian war.

>> No.13146471

>>13146432
He didn’t serve as a soldier. Also I am pretty certain he is in that pic.

>> No.13146506

>>13146471
Nietzsche served in an equestrian artillery unit during peacetime and as a medic at the siege of Metz. Are medics not soldiers?
The pic is good bait but it is literally not Nietzsche. I don't see what it's meant to signify anyway, you could almost certainly find Socrates nude around lots of young men in the bath-houses or gymnasiums.

>> No.13147301

>>13146391
>>13146432
>>13146471
>>13146506

i am interested to know the origin of this picture / how it got associated with nietzsche's ménage à trois with Ree and the thot Salome

>> No.13147303

Marx.

>> No.13147313

Atlas Shrugged

>> No.13147425

>>13145301
>Sorel
wrong there mate
>>13145129
Maldoror
>>13145340
De Sade, yeah

>> No.13147444

>>13147303
Marx wasn't in favour of capitalism though. You're thinking of Rothbard, Rand, Hoppe, etc.

>> No.13147454

>>13145319
Based.

>> No.13147646

>>13145129
Stop watching anime

>> No.13147724
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13147724

>>13145129
this

>> No.13147830

>>13145129
Pics like this btfo any attempt at theism. One can believe in something only in the comfort of his needs met. finding meaning is a luxury of those who can linger in this world without immediate danger of death

>> No.13148266

>>13147724
He said Evil not Hero

>> No.13149483

>>13145129
Might I suggest that you peruse the works of Aleister Crowley as an answer to your questions.
link related.
http://aristocratsofthesoul.com/aleister-crowley-books-beginners/

>> No.13149487

>>13145142
based

>> No.13149528

>>13147830
you literally couldn't be more wrong

>> No.13149550

Replace 'evil' by 'war' and you have Ernst Jünger

>> No.13149560

>>13145404
Surprised this wasn't the first post.

>> No.13149788

>>13146287
The worldview is completely removed from these times so most can't even enter the perspective required to understand it, they can only consider it disgusting, incomprehensible, and evil. The shallow baddie to their enlightened duty.

>> No.13150531

>>13147830
?

>> No.13150592

>>13147724
kek

>> No.13150664

>>13146432
It means you're supposed to think it through.

>> No.13150837

Literature and Evil, Bataille

>> No.13150848

>>13145129
Nick Land's later work, if you define "evil" as "aggressively anti-human".

>> No.13150979

>>13149788
yes, as Bowden said, if you can accept Evola without severe destruction of internal shibboleths, then you are simply not living in the Modern world.

This is a good thing for most, of course.

>> No.13150982

>>13147724
How was Constant so prescient?

>> No.13151093

>>13147425
He thought violence in itself was a beautiful, creative force. That's pretty evil by today's standards.

>> No.13151200

>>13151093
Imagine thinking violence is bad

>> No.13152921

Bump