/lit/ - Literature

>>13138828
>China will overtake the west
Shut up, we can bounce back.

>>13138828
ching chong bing bong, time for a gutter-oil fried dog dinner *BUMP* "what was that bing bong?" "oh nothing ding dong, it was just a toddler that we ran over"

>>13138828
the most important book of the next two centuries

>>13138854
is this actually good

Remember what I said about realizing something about yourself bf? Well, I think that’s what you’ve done.

:3

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

>>13138828
The true western heritage will stand the test of time.

>>13138828
>China will overtake the west,
Trump won't let that happen

>>13138897
Trump is a failure and has betrayed his voting base

>>13138828
>meaning that the western philosophical project has failed
Hell no, China has reached its current position by largely rejecting everything distinctive in its own traditions and adopting models from the west. The most you could argue for is a degree of synthesis, but that happened where the traditions were relatively compatible anyway (eg both east and west obviously have autocratic political traditions)

>>13138914
How much is george soros paying you to spread his lies, discord tranny?

>>13138828
Best intro to the ancient philosophical schools IMO is Benjamin Schwartz, The World of Thought in Ancient China

>>13138828
Indian philosophy is much better than Chinese philosophy, the Chinese acknowledged as much and willfully imported one of the main strands of Indian Philosophy (Buddhism) into China where it came to be one of the main areas of Chinese thought, the classic Chinese literature often referring to India as 'western heaven'

>>13138828
China will collapse like the countless other times in their history.

>>13138940
>that pic
Indian men are in the top 3 of the ugliest people on the planet.

>>13138978
ching chong garbage cope

>>13138828
>has lost every military conflict they’ve been in valves with in 400 years.

>>13138828
China will collapse on itself like it always does

>>13139087
Can we accelerate that collapse?

>>13138943
>>13139087
The fact that you can say 'like it always does' and 'countless times' is pretty telling- China's historically remarkable for its staying power.

Also, c'mon, even if you insist on following some dumb historical cycle theory, China isn't even close to being due a collapse. The empire was last reunited in 1949, should get a couple of hundred years of unity out of that at the very least...

>>13138828
china is in a bubble that's about to burst
at this rate, they will be overtaken by poland

Xi looked upon the face of terror and decided he didn't want any of this

>>13138828
Based retard. China may continue to grow in strength, but they will never match the pinnacle of US or UK global dominance. The type of war that it would require to achieve that would be so destructive as to leave China in a relatively weaker position even if they won. The very well may become a true balancing power next to the west, and I don't think that will be so bad at the end of the day.

>>13138828
>china will overtake the west

I know this site has a lot of chinks browsing it but c'mon man...
Our robots are war machines who do parkour, yours are just waifus who just awkwardy jerk their arms around like a 1970s movie prop and creep people out.

i will counter with a language that consists only of R and L tonalities, therfore the chinese can never understand me. Chinks BTFO

>>13138828
>implying China isn't continuing the western tradition and synthesizing it with its own philosophy

unironically nick land

>>13138828

>>13138928
Don't you know? discord trannies do it for free. They do everything for free. Be a shill, be a janny, they're mentally ill and thus easy to manipulate.

起来我们中国人起来
他们都害怕我们

>>13138868
你觉得你可以禁止我妈
你好笨啊

Why are chinks superior, /int/?
>traditionalist
>high IQ
>oldest civilization
>hates niggers
>anti-kike
>anti-capitalist
>family values
How do I emigrate?

>>13139087
have sex

>>13140232
Most Chinese people can distinguish l and r just fine though. That meme comes more from Japanese.

Now, make a language composed entirely of 'th' sounds and you might have something.

>>13141638
>禁止我妈
I don't think that's what you meant to say

>>13141730
>妈
吗
都是我的错

Daoism the the most truthful religion in existence

>>13141782
知错就好

>>13139087
The time for that hasn't even come yet...

>China isn't part of western philosophy

>>13141785
based daoism
>Yangzi Ju went to see Lao Dan and said, >“Here is a man swift as an echo, strong as a beam, with a wonderfully clear understanding of the principles of things, studying the Way without ever letting up—a man like this could compare with an enlightened king, couldn’t he?”
>Lao Dan said, “In comparison with the sage, a man like this is a drudging slave, a craftsman bound to his calling, wearing out his body, grieving his mind. They say it is the beautiful markings of the tiger and the leopard that call out the hunters, the nimbleness of the monkey and the ability of the dog to catch rats that make them end up chained. A man like this—how could he compare with an enlightened king?”

>Go to a restaurant with your harem of jade-like beauties to eat
>Suddenly, a wild young master appears!
>"Hey you, the most beautiful out of this flowerfield with skin fair enough to cause nations to fall! Come to my mansion so I can fuck you, as for the rest, you can have them, my followers!"
>Young master tries to grab main waifu but murder hobo protag interferes, young master gets irritated as fuck and shouts like a retard
>"YOU ARE COURTING DEATH!"
>Onlookers gossip about "there is no way this weak-looking dude could possibly beat the young master, the match is already decided! No need to even look!"
>Murder hobo protag kills young master in one punch, all the onlookers go "HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!? He beat the young master! That can't possibly be! Who is that guy?"
>Old man, seemingly a beggar, but actually one of the strongest daoists in the world, who watches at the scene amused, scoffs at the now dead young master
>"He had eyes but couldn't see mount Tai."
>Suddenly the voice of the young master's father, who is the Sectmaster of Sect X resounds through the entire city
>"HOW DARE YOU KILL MY SON! THERE WILL BE NO RECONCILIATION! I'LL MURDER YOU, ALL YOUR PREVIOUS 10 GENERATIONS AND ALL THE DOGS AND HENS AT YOUR HOME!"
>Murder hobo protag goes on to wipe out the entire Sect X because of "MUH by the roots!"
>As murder hobo is about to strike down the sect master, the sect master cries
>"Fool! Our X sect is just small fry in comparison to the sect we are subordinate to, which is the the Y sect, who are in turn subordinate to the Z clan! You'll never have a peaceful life again!"
>Murder hobo protag shrugs
>"Just more targets to KILL!"
>And so murder hobo protag finishes off the sectmaster and gets into conflict with Y sect (and later Z clan, becaue MUH progressive powerlevels)
>All that took a long time to describe, but actually happened in an instant

>>13140253
>Yuk Hui

>>13141909
what is this I don't even

>>13138828

Overtake the West in what way? Material wealth?

A true /lit/ mind doesn't care for who possesses the most colourful pieces of paper.

>>13138828
>China will overtake the west
when the west is headed for a crash, is that a good thing?

>>13138978
>Indian men are in the top 3 of the ugliest people on the planet.
um swetiee, indian men are the most powerful race in the world

Unless China radically changes their economic strategies they will stagnate the same way every illiberal country does.

pic related

Plebian: Western Philsophy
Contrarian: Eastern Philsophy
Patrician: Precolumbian Philsophy

>When looking at the Aztec religion, one needs to look at the Lay Religion and the Priestly Religion. The Lay Religion saw the world as being very similar to Greek Paganism (Not Roman or Greco-Roman, but Ancient Greek): The world is run fickle, capricious, occasionally cruel gods that play favorites and hand out unreasonably retributive punishments for acts that, in many cases, aren't actually harmful to people who often were not acting with any kind of malice or immorality.

>The Priestly Religion, however, saw that because of the constitutional monism of the world, there were no gods. There were no priests, either, or worshipers, or temples, or anything: There is just Teotl. The gods themselves were really just clusters of processes. The god of war is not just a glowy dude who goes around fighting: He literally is war as a concept. The god of love is not just a glowy lady that goes around playing matchmaker: He literally is love as a concept. The god of rot and decay is not just an ugly guy who goes around wallowing in shit: He literally is rot and decay.

>The question of the sentience of these processes comes up. If the gods are just clusters of processes, are they really gods at all? The answer is: since people are clusters of processes, are they people at all? The answer to both is yes. Rather than sentience being some property of abstractable reason as it is in the West, under this process philosophy/theology the gods just have a different kind of intelligence than humans. So does your chair, however. These intelligences can be incredible (gods), quite good (human), poor (cows), to basically non-existent (your chair) because intelligence is not the ability to "reason" as it is in the West but is instead a property of processes' capacity to interact with other processes because of processes, via the observation of patterns and the repetition of patterns when engaging in processes.

>All processes, then, are really just zooming in on an arbitrary closeup of Teotl. A single leaf is a process; so is the branch, and the tree, and the grove, and the forest, and the ecosystem, and the world, and the solar system, and the galaxy, and the galactic cluster, and the universe, and all of reality. We, for our human purposes, just zoom in on specific parts of it.

>>/lit/thread/S11670156
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5495687/#5510689
http://dailynous.com/2014/05/20/pip-1-huebner-interviews-maffie/

Read "Aztec Philsophy: Understanding a world in motion" and "Aztec Thought and culture" if this interests you. There's some stuff about the Maya and other Mesoamerican civilizations like the Mixtec, Zapotec etc, or Andean ones like the Inca, but there's less sources to work with, thank Spain for that.

Desuarchive link in particular gives a very laymen-readable explaination of how this ties into sacrifice and their ethical/moral framework.

>>13142100
>There's some stuff about the Maya and other Mesoamerican civilizations like the Mixtec, Zapotec etc, or Andean ones like the Inca,

Not in the books I mentioned,but I mean in other books/works

on this note it's a shame so little is taught about precolumbian cultures, most people only know the aztec, maya, and MAYBE the olmec as mesoamerican civilizations when in reality pic related is only giving the real bare minumum summary of civilization in that region

>>13138828
>Any good books about ancient and contemporary chinese philosophy

Modern China is Western, they spent the last century destroying anything that was non-Western in origin

The chinks lie about everything. Fake things are a cornerstone of their culture, if they can lie about stuff and fuck someone over and get away with it - they will do it without any hesitation. That is because chinese people have no souls - it has been scientifically proven through a variety of psychological studies. You can also convince yourself of the fact by going to China. It's honestly one of the worst places in the world, with the worst people. Stirner would have burned his books if he ever saw the state of modern China. They're tasteless, lying, deceiving, obsequious, servile insects without any sense of purpose, meaning. The whole modern philosophy of the chinese people consists of one word and one word only - money. That's the only thing they care about and will always care about. You can have a friend who you've known for ten years, but if he's chinese, as soon as he gets an opportunity to fuck you over for 10 cents they'll do it in a whim. The funnies thing is that the chinese people have these armies online to try to protect the image of china (note the collectivist nature, they have nothing to be proud of individualistically, so they resort to the propaganda and indoctrination they've been taught at school as their sense of pride). And it couldn't be more obvious when people do it, it's honestly so funny. What's sad is that people fall for it. For all the people unaware of China and the chinese spirit (if you can even call it that), if you can't actually go to China to see it for the shithole that it is, watch youtube videos of westerners living in china, they will show you the actual situation that's going on there. However, the content has become more and more scarce through all the death threats the chinks have been sending these truth tellers and modern totalitarian censorship in China.
In conclusion, don't fall for the superpower china meme. It will never happen, and it's obvious to anyone with a slightest bit of knowledge about the chinese.

>>13142688
Cheating, lying and deceiving is so deeply ingrained in their culture that they even had a protest when the school cracked down on cheating in an exam. Literally their complain was that EVERYONE in china was cheating so preventing them from cheating gave others an unfair disadvantage. If you go into any store (that's not a megastore) in china, you are looked at as an IDIOT if you believe the storeowners are honest and give you a fair price off the go, and they make it obvious that they do. It's always a game of who can fuck over whom the most. They all see life as a zero sum game, and nothing else matters except how much they earn. If you go to a typical store you can literally often barter down 5-10 times the price, especially if you're a foreigner (the chinese absolutely hate foreigners, they're some of the most racist people on the planet and they hate the west since it reminds them of how inferior their culture is). China also has literally 0 culture. You'll NEVER see a good chinese movie, because there exist none. Honestly, try and go find a good chinese movie. Not from Taiwan, not Japan, but China. There exist none! They are soulless, tastless insects with absolutely no appreciation of art or anything that goes beyond just plain money. But no wonder, all this coming from a culture that is accepting of torturing animals alive, eating dogs (this is NOT a meme, LOOK IT UP, it's everywhere in china). I honestly hate the chinese so much, and if you have any morals you should too.

>>13141675
>family values
Topkek
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zd_nptd2q0M

>>13141675
You have no idea what chinks are actually like and you're up for a BIG surprise when you come to China. Honestly you proving yourself to be as retarded as you are, I actually hope you move to China, that would make me happy. GO TO CHINA BOY, SEE IT YOUR YOURSELF. COME AND SEE BOY

>>13141785
Advaita > Daoism

People who are not racist against the chinese are either extremely unintelligent and ignorant or culture-hating philistine. It's wrong to be racist against anyone except the chinese. A cultured man is supposed to be racist against the chinese.

China's most important living philosopher is a Confucian-Kantian and Carl Schmitt is popular with university students so idk how this shit will play out in the long run dude.

>>13141785
You are an idiot if you think the modern chinese are daoist. They have no religion, no culture. Daoism advocates religious piety, and yet according to a 2012 Gallup poll, 47% of Chinese people were convinced atheists, and a further 30% were not religious. In comparison, only 14% considered themselves to be religious. Your argument is stupid.

>>13142783
Modern chinese don't care about culture or philosophy, they HATE culture. Read up on cultural revolution. They hate all that is traditional and old.

>>13141675
>traditionalist
With stupid taoist tradions that nobody follows? Or the history of literal madmen who ruled the nation for centuries in between being conquered by Mongols? Nah.
>high IQ
More like good work ethic. Most high IQ people are depressed nihilist faggots because they don't work, not because they're muh smarts.
>oldest civilization
Most bastardized by invaders too.
>hates niggers
Not when they invest mountains of money into African infrastructure.
>anti-kike
Because they're greedy kikes themselves who'd sell their mom for profit.
>anti-capitalist
Besides the part where they run their retarded communism on capitalist principles.
>family values
Forced family values where the parents need to force their kids to work and find a working mate because no pensions means kids will have to take care of their old ass.

And it's not just like I've just consumed media on the chinese people to learn what they're like and became so racist against them. My father's friend moved to china for a few months and everything he told us about china confirm the impression I have of it. Don't fall for the meme.
遠離中國

>>13138828
Nice try CCPPD

>>13142100
>read these faggot interpretations savage mass murdering dindus through the lens of modernist Western thought

>>13142100
wow was deleuze a crypto precolumbian

>>13142767
paganism > paganism

>>13142821
Based and Octavianpilled.

Where can we find a precocious pipsqueak like him to save us? What would his education look like today?

>>13141909
Beautiful chinese literature

>>13142821
>>13142915
They had their own intellectual and academic insutitons you fagmuffin, which you would know if you knew anything about history. The books in question are specifically NOT viewing them through the lesnse of modern western thought, but rather breaking down their own lense; though ironically viewing them from a modern western perspective is what you are doing

>Mass murdering

No moreso then other parts of the world. The idea that they sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people a year is a meme that's not supported by either reliable accounts or archeological evidence.

For example, even cortes, who already exaggerated accounts of their barbarity in his accounts to justify his actions (since his letters to Charles V were largerly an attempt to avoid execution for his expedition, which was illegal and in doing so he commited treason, to the point where the entire reason the intial smallpox outbreak occured is because a seperate expedituion under Pánfilo de Narváez was launched to arrest him as he was holding Montezuma II hotage) only reports that they sacrirficed 3000 to 4000 people a year.

And, we also know from a wide variety of sources that the vast majority of sacrifices were captured enemy soldiers, who would have been killed in battle otherwise in wars by any other culture (in fact, the entire heightened emphasis the Aztec placed upon human sacrirfice was due to religious reforms made by the Emperor Ahuzotl and his Cihuacoatl (this grand vizer, it's the head domestic adminstrative, judicial, and religuious civil office) Tlacaelel in the 1430's/1440's in order to justify military expansion, since they could justify perpual warfare by citing a need for enemy soldiers to sacrifice). Going by recent digs at the primary skull rack in Tenochtitlan, up to 75% of all sacrificed indduvals were enemy soldiers.

So

- Let's go with Cortes's already inflated total of 3000 people killed annually in Tenochtitlan.
- Other cities sacrificed a fraction of the amount of people as Tenochtitlan did, but let's assume that all the other cities and towns ended up totaling to another 3000 annually as of the empire's maximum extent, which...
- For most of the empire's history, the expanse of the empire was less then half it's maximum extent, but let's just use half it's maximum extent/population as an average, so make it 1500 a year for 100 years.
- Let's go with only 60% of them being enemy soldiers or criminals (since sacrifice was a sentence you could receive) rather then 75% or more

Even using this inflated math that uses unlikely high end assumptions, you get a total of only 180,000 civillians sacricied across the entire empire's geographic and temporal expanse...which is less then the amount of innocent people killed in a single religious purge in france that took only 1/5th the amount of time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

1/2

>>13141949
>shetty
This has to be a joke

>>13143254
>>13142821
>>13142915
cont:

If you actually read that Desuarchive link it talks a bunch about sacrifice practices, and, as mentioned, how it played into their metaphysical and ethical philsophy. See also some of my posts in this thread https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/460067902/ and there was another thread I can't find right now I talked aboutit a lot in.

The desuarchive link has literally 40,000 characters of me talking about it, and the fireden link has around 20,000 characters of stuff on it. Read it, educate yourself. Or hell if I have time later today I'll do a revised combination of the two and that other thread I can't find and I'll dump it here.

Hell. read "Allure of nezahualcoyotl" and " Tlacaelel remembered". Both are books on specific aztec politicans, Nezahualcoyotl being the most famous king of the second most important Aztec city, and was a renowned intellectual, poet, patron of the arts and hydrengineer who designed a variety of dike, aquaduct, and other water mangement systems for both his city and the aztec captial, and I already talked about Tlacaelel.

>Savages
Not even the Spanish thought they were savages. If you actually read accounts from Conquistadors and Friars you would see that, while they found their religion detestable, they were very impreseed with their art, cities, and govermental systems, and essentially saw them as formal, respectable states, which is why you have Aztec and Spanish nobility freeily marrying, the Aztec imperial royal family holding titles as dukes to this day, etc.

For instance

Cortes here's describing a city only a fraction the size of the Aztec captial:
>The city is indeed so great and marvellous that though I abstain from describing many things... the little.. I.. recount is... incredible. It is much larger than Granada and much better fortified. Its houses are as fine and its inhabitants far more numerous than those of Granada when that... was captured. Its provisions and food are likewise very superior... There are gold, silver and precious stones, and jewellers' shops selling other ornaments made of feathers, as well arranged as in any market in the world. There is earthenware of many kinds and excellent quality, as fine as any in Spain. Wood, charcoal, medicinal and sweet smelling herbs are sold in large quantities. There are booths for washing your hair and barbers to shave you: there are also public baths. Finally, good order and an efficient police system are maintained among them, and they behave as people of sense and reason.

Durian:
>lose the bad and false opinion that these Aztec people were barbarian and uncivilized, as they have been called. Because, although they showed blindness and diabolic self-deception in their rites and idolatries, in matters of government and good order, submission and reverence, majesty and authority, courage and fortitude, I have found no one to surpass them.

etc. I can go on, and will if I have time later.

2/2

>>13143307
>>13143254
Sorry anon.
I'm not going to read all that bullshit.

>>13143254
>regular human sacrifice is good
>they were just enemies whose living hearts were cut out bro
>who cares that they did that shit to their own children bro
>180,000 civilians sacrifices bro that's like nothing because religion dude
>they had like art and shit
>they knew how to shave and actually had food if the yearly yield was good if their god of whatever was pleased in their bro human sacrifice
That's cute.
But nah, they were still retard savages who got butchered to shit by slightly less savage Spanish who at least had the cutesy of some praise.

>>13140001
Ecological collapse will make large-scale conflicts more likely in future tho

>>13141675
>>13142760
>>13142810
you can literally just watch youtuber english teachers' meme channels about MUH LIFE IN CHINA, I checked them out while I was considering it. this will make you aware very quickly that china is such a nightmarish, dissociative hellscape that the US is like the fucking candyland board game in comparison, there is some really weird, fucked up shit in the water over there and I don't just mean the industrial runoff. this is even more stupid than people who worship russia, the literal birthplace of communism, as "the white traditionalist paradise"

>>13143610
communism is the implicit last stand of white identity in the face of capitalist deterritorialization

>>13143646
White identity is a meme.

wat

>>13143646
>DPRK bastion of white identity

>>13143667
all identity is a meme, save for the international "we" and "us"

>>13143696
oink oink

>>13143696
What is it with anarchist retards not understanding the difference between something being a 'social construct' and being 'completely arbitrary and baseless'?

>>13143696
Human identity is not a meme.

>>13138840

>>13138828
i like chinks, they are psychopaths but that is what we need to get rid of liberalism once and for all,.
>mfw china will bring back slavery because there is no one to stop them once America fall to third world immigration shitkskins.

>>13142783
>Carl Schmitt is popular with university students
based

>>13138828
no what China did was undermine the Western Philosophical Project with Communism, Wage Slavery, Currency Depreciation and warping the interpretation of Capitalism. I would characterize it as an attempt to subvert, while concurrently being transformed, by the Western Philosophical Project

>>13143307
Interesting, thank you

>>13139120
>China collapsing consistently throughout history is evidence of their staying power
However you rationalize it is fine anon, but you're still acknowledging that this always has happened and probably will continue to happen.

>>13143254
>Tlacaelel in the 1430's/1440's in order to justify military expansion, since they could justify perpual warfare by citing a need for enemy soldiers to sacrifice

That sounds pretty interesting, are their any other examples of religions being used like that?

>>13144010
Well, yeah, obviously the future's unknowable but that seems a fair guess given that nowhere I can think of has gone more than a few centuries at a time without seeing some kind of violent collapse. But the current Chinese state has so far only seen 70, so if you're following that principle it could have a lot of time to go.

>>13142100
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HOW MANY FUCKING REFORMULATIONS DO YOU NEED OF THE WILL, THE DIONYSIAN, THE WILL TO POWER, THE HERACLITEAN, THE PARMENIDEAN, BEING QUA BEING, TO APEIRON, THE ABSOLUTE

WE GET IT, WE FUCKING GET IT, IT DISSOLVES DUALISMS, IT DISSOLVES BOUNDARIES, WE GET IT, CONCEPTS ARE FINITE BUBBLES IN AN INFINITE MEDIUM AND THE MEDIUM HAS PRIORITY, WE FUCKING GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S AN INTERESTING METAPHOR, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH MORE ORIENTAL PHILOSOPHIES LIKE THE DAO AND THE SACRED FIRE OF PING PANG PONGO, THEY'RE LITERALLY MINING FUCKING AZTEC PHILOSOPHY NOW TO RECAPITULATE WHAT NIETZSCHE WAS ALREADY JUST CRIBBING FROM HEINE SCHOPENHAUER AND GOETHE?!?!?! WHY?????????? WHY CAN'T THESE FUCKING WORTHLESS HACKS EVER DO SOMETHING INTERESTING FOR A CHANGE?

IS THIS REALLY WHAT YOUR WHOLE SAD PISS LIFE IS SPENT ON? BECOMING A FUCKING SHITDICK ANTHROPOLOGIST OF MESOAMERICA JUST SO YOU CAN PROVE THAT THE TEN THOUSAND DERIVATIVE REFORMULATIONS OF HEIDEGGER'S CLEANED-UP REFORMULATION OF NIETZSCHE'S INVERTED REFORMULATION OF SCHOPENHAUER'S AESTHETICIZED REFORMULATION OF A VITALISTIC OR TATKRAFTIG NOUMENON IS [[[[ALSO ADUMBRATED OR CONFIRMED BY YET ANOTHER OOGA BOOGA SPIRIT JUNGLE RELIGION]]]]????????????? HOW DOES THE STALE AIR EMANATING FROM THIS CLICHE SINCE SOMEONE FIRST THOUGHT OF SYSTEMATICALLY ORIENTALIZING HEIDEGGER IN THE FUCKING 1940S NOT GET DETECTED BY THE NOSTRILS OF THESE FUCKING ACADEMICS

ALL OF THIS WORK, ALL THOSE YEARS SPENT PORING OVER ANOTHER CULTURE, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN CONFIRM YOUR LAZY PRECONCEPTIONS OF QUIETIST POST-PLATONIST FUCKING "LOOK MOM, IT'S STILL 1968! I BOUGHT A TURTLENECK JUST LIKE FOUCAULT!" NEOLIBERAL BOHEMIAN IDEOLOGY ANYWAY? WHY NOT JUST SKIP ALL THAT GO STRAIGHT TO THE BATHHOUSE??

HOW DO THEY NOT REALIZE THAT THIS IS THE WORST "ORIENTALISM" OF ALL? IT'S NOT THE ETHICAL CONSEQUENCES OF ORIENTALISM THAT ARE DISTURBING, IT'S THE EPISTEMOLOGICAL BIAS!!! THE PREMISE IS THAT THE EPISTEMOLOGICAL BIAS ALWAYS GENERATES NEGATIVE ETHICAL CONSEQUENCES! THE PROBLEM WITH ORIENTALISM WASN'T THAT IT WAS PLATONIST, SO IT'S FINE FOR YOU TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU'RE NEOPLATONIST. THE PROBLEM WAS THAT YOU'RE DOING IT AT ALL. WHY NOT TRY TO EXPERIENCE ACTUAL ALTERITY? DOESNT IT BOTHER YOU THAT YOU'RE AGREEING WITH THE TAOIST EAST ASIAN STUDIES GUY DESPITE WORKING ON THE AZTECS LITERALLY SEVERAL "WORLDS" AWAY?

WHY AM I CONSTANTLY ASSAULTED BY BAD PHILOSOPHIES. WHY DOES EVERYBODY THINK THEY'RE A FUCKING GENIUS FOR LASHING LEVINAS TO DELEUZE AND GOING "OMG WITH THIS I CAN ***REALLY*** OVERCOME CARTESIANISM." WOW! YOU DID IT! LIKE ALL YOUR OTHER EUNUCH COLLEAGUES WHO PLAYED THE SAME MAD LIBS GAME TOO!! NOW YOU'RE A FUCKING COOL GUY!

>>13144487
based

>JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HOW MANY FUCKING REFORMULATIONS DO YOU NEED
lots! i like those.

>IS THIS REALLY WHAT YOUR WHOLE SAD PISS LIFE IS SPENT ON?
yes

>>13138828
*gasp*
Anyone who actually knows Chinese history and is not a brainwashed Chinese knows that China is simply in the height of another of its cycles.

China with its massive population and territory has always been a natural superpower. But what is China? Who are the Chinese people? What is their national identity? Unlike the French and France or Americans and America, the Chinese are simply a massive herd of people that occupy the middle territory ( where the word China comes from) in Eastern Asia. Don't take it from, take it from the smartes man who ever lived, Albert Einstein. China or the Middle Kingdom/State/Regime is the government that presides over this herd.

Through Chinese history, there is a cycle of this China emerging and dissolving and so on and so on. A powerful dynasty emerges and unites China, China rises as a world power, China begins to collapse, and China fragments, so that another dynasty rises and so on and so on. These dynasties gain power over an ideology that this Chinese herd adheres to called the "Mandate of Heaven".

Lets look at contemporary China. Before it fell, Qing dynasty China consisted of 40% of the world's economy, and was arguably the world's largest/most powerful nation. The Qing dynasty begins to collapse and during its gradual fall is defeated by the British in the Opioid Wars. China is fragmented and controlled by different Western powers, while a proxy government is set up in place.

Then comes Mao, with a new "Mandate of Heaven" disguised as communist uprising. He like the conquerors before him convinces most of the herd, and unifies China again.

> inb4 muh communism

China is the second country with most billionaires alive after America. How can a communist nation exist with billionaires and private corporations? Sorry to trigger you commie, but China is NOT a communist country and it was never meant to be one. It is simply an authoritative regime that uses communism as its religion.

Xi Jinping is a genius ruler who understands this and instead of moving China towards progressivism and liberal ideals, turns it further authoritarian.

Look at sesame or social credit scores, the surveillance system, and Chinese control of the internet. What is most surprising of these policies is that the Chinese embrace them. ( Actually look this up, please, it is shocking). The herd embraces its new master as it has done century after century.

Today, we start to see China at its peak however, its only downhill from here. As Trump's trade war has shown, China is extremely reliant on foreign investment and in US consumers. China will still be a strong player in the future but, will gradually demise until the cycle resets.

Thank you for coming to my Ted-Talk.

>>13145116
If you are Chinese and are triggered by this, it is an example of your successful adoption of Western values. Are you proud of your Chinese nation? That's a western invention that you have embraced. Do you believe China should expand and create a Chinese world order? That's a western foreign policy. Chinese philosophy on policy and state of affairs is irrelevant because it's very simple and only applicable to the Chinese herd.

>>13144487
name good philosophies
name at least 3

>>13145116
i seriously hope you dont think there exist societies that are not beholden to cyclicity

If I could write a political science theorem it would be this: that after a certain population size is reached, a nation's ability to project power outwards diminishes.

The answer is obvious, too large a population is too much of a hassle for you to concern yourself with managing the rest of the world. It's the same thing that holds India back. Managing such a large population becomes as much of an empire that the country itself can handle.

The USA, as the third most populous country in the world (after the huge outliers of China and India) skirts just at the limit of being too populous to be efficient at power projection. If its population approached that of the other two countries there would be no way for it to manage world affairs like it has done for for the last 75 odd years, and if anything it would collapse. There are more poor people in China than there are people in the USA, which really puts things in perspective.

That China and India haven't completely melted down and are able to sustain that many people is itself a titanic feat.

>>13143254
>to the point where the entire reason the intial smallpox outbreak occured is because a seperate expedituion under Pánfilo de Narváez was launched to arrest him as he was holding Montezuma II hotage

*and one of the men in Narvaez's force was carrying smallpox

Oh also I found the other thread I was thiking of, which is this post in this thread, https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/6484166/#6498156 , as well as 6498166, 6498177, and 6498225

>>13143401
Nigga, this is /lit/ isn't it? At least read those 2 posts.

Really, I don't even think asking you to read the 4 posts in the desuarchive thread I finallky found above too is too much, or stuff in that fireden link I posted (IE https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/460067902/#460076272 as well as 460091360 , 460091863, 460092384, 460092825, 460092825 and 460093384 (not even including the political system shit in that thread either))

The full 20 posts in the first desuarchive thread, sure, I can get not reading that; same for not reading but not even being even willing to read 4-6 posts, let alone not even 2, is just being lazy as fuck

>>13143436
I'm not saying it was acceptable you moron, i'm just illustrating that it wasn't excpetionally barbaric by the standards of even eurasian cultures at the time. And you would think that given you are posting on /lit/ you would give a shit about understanding the theological and ethical framework by which the practice existed in.

>>13143967
>>13144342
no problem, check out the desuarchive/fireden links and all that if you wanna learn more; alsp happy to answer further questions/dump more excerpts of spanish discriptions of native cities and such as needed. Tommorow, if I have time, I'm also happy to try to consolidate all the shit from across both the desuarchive and the fireden thread into a single series of 20 posts or so I could dump here, if you'd rather I do that then you read them all seperately.

There's also a directory of prior series of posts i've done here https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/460067902/#460078836 ; thouching on stuff from warfare, hydroguneering and sanitation systems, why the spanish conquest wasn't a garunteed thing, etc. As with the sacririce/philsophy stuff, I should probably update a few of these with new shit from more recent posts i've made, though.

and in https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5446429/#5453842, there's a mega drive filled with book scans and resources for learning about the regipon's history, as well as a link to a plebbit post with tons of resources as well. There's also a 3.4gb of artistic recreations I gathered here

1/2

>>13145755
whoops, forgot to give the art drive link https://drive.google.com/open?id=15iey5ZMTHflLHbMVGPRsyBLKLcHGCsKb

also the image I posted shows an Aztec (Well, Mexica, not getting into Aztec vs Mexica vs Nahua here rn unless people want me to explain) baby being born on the top left, aztec/mexica kids being brought to a school, in this case, a school for nobles, or a calmecac. Commoners, even girls still went to schools, but at calmecac's you had astronomy (as seen in the middle pic), mathmatics, theology writing, philosophy, poetry, medicine, biology (aztecs had fucking insane bontanical science, legit almost taxonomic systems for plant cateogization and bontanical gardens for studying them), etc, as opposed to just basic history, moral lessons, religion, and warfare (for boys) and domestic skills (for girls).. Aztec philosphers, which the image in >>13142100 mentions, also would teach in these schools on the side from their own academic circles. Bottom left image shows a boy being punished for something by having his head held over smoking chile peppers, and the bottom right shpows martial training at a school as well

Larger res versions of each paintings are in the art drive. That being said, while the attire shown in those paintings is accurate (mostly), the archtecture is not. You wouldn't see bare masonry on stone structures, they were covered in stucco and then painted accents, with frescos and murals on the inside, as seen in >>13143307. The less fancy buildings in the top left are also more, like southwestern US pueblo buildings then Aztec ones. There was SOME visual similarity but they didn't quite look like that.

Pic related shows some examples of small, single rome commoner homes accurately, though many would have had straw roofs and not flat stone/adobe ones (some also did, though)

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cont:

>>13144342
>any other religions do this?
Not that i'm aware of, no. Sacricie was universal in Mesoamerican religion, and enemy soldiers was always one of the largest sources of sacrifices, but the scale at which these occurred in was pretty small: probably only single to double digits annually for total sacrifices for most cities/towns. The Aztec captial was unique in doing actual mass sacrifices as a result of those reforms, though, again, it's still probably more like double digits to triple digits a year, and most would be enemy soldiers still, not like thousands or tens of thousands a year as they are memed to be.

I haven't read it yet, but, as mentioned "Tlacaelel remembered" is all about him, so it's worth reading. wouldn't be suprised if it repeats a few of the oft-cited absurd tens of thousands of being sacrificed figures though, even good sources sometimes repeat that sort of shit.

>>13139087
Yup.
>country reliant on manufacturing (which will be taken away with automation)
>population aging too quickly
>young Chinese don’t want to have babies
>economy propped up by misleading growth numbers
can’t wait for the Chinese collapse

>>13145801
Ah, okay. I think I'll read that "Tlacaelel remembered" book when I get the chance, guy sounds interesting.

>>13145817
no problem

I'm not sure how approachable it is for people not already knowlegable about mesoamerican history, mind you, but the plebbit post with resources I linked to in the link in >>13145755 a pastebin filled with askhistorians posts, which if you read through all of you'll have a good foundation; and has a booklist in a pastebin with a few good starter books, then there's also the mega drivce filled with a bunch of othjer book scans

so you should have the resources at your disposal to get the foundational shit out of the way if you need to. The askhistorians post pastebin in particular is really useful.

>>13144428
There have been some short Chinese periods. You might even be able to argue that they already have changed from their older pure communist period.

>>13142100
>>13145755
>>13145801

wow this stuff is awesome thanks for posting deleuze is kino

would you start with the maffie book?

>>13145934
>>13145934
I think that jumping into either World in Motion or Aztec Philsophy without knowing more about Aztec or Mesoamerican history as a whole at least foundatrionally is a mistake, given how deep both dive into their specific cultural framework.

So my advice for you is the same as in >>13145839: Read through the askhistorians pastebin in the plebbit post I link in the desuarchive link here >>13145755, and consider reading a book or two from the booklist pastebins in the plebbit post as well that are noted as being good for introductary reading (I think the boojklist pastebin is mostly unorganized though); with the mega also having scans for a lot of thje books in that booklist.

>>13144487
Absolutely based

>>13141933
Surpassing the west in not collapsing.

>>13140001
they got 1.5 billion people - who the fuck do they need to conquer?

China is pure rote, they’ll never be able to invent anything that generates wealth, all they do is steal intel property and produce it in factories...but once their standard of living rises then their factory work will be out sourced to poorer nations, and China will sink back down. Also, their philosophy is contradictory trash

>>13144487

>>13145755
>i'm just illustrating that it wasn't excpetionally barbaric
>ripping a fucking heart out with a rock out of a living person then eating it
>theological and ethical framework
>RIPPING A FUCKING HEART OUT

>>13146630

>>13144487

>>13146648
God bless reformation.

>>13143832
That's a good point and why the race will will commence

>>13145116
>China is the second country with most billionaires alive after America. How can a communist nation exist with billionaires and private corporations?


Because it is a country with a Marxist ruling party who want to eventually achieve Communism but understand that Capitalism has yet to run its course and create the material conditions required for it to eventually give way to the next stage of economic history. People think Communists = Communism and forget that Commies have this whole quasi-materialist eschatology which involves revolutionary strategy to drive forward.

>>13143610
>the literal birthplace of communism
come on now

>>13138828
read up on Liang Shuming, criminally under-translated in Engrish.

>>13147350
well, that's what they say, but why believe them?

>>13147573
You can pretty much doubt anything so what evs.

>>13146630
>unironically triggered

bump

>>13143301
No, it's a real thing. Rohit Shetty seems to be a rather common member of the Bollywood production cabal.

>>13141919
haha :DD gurwa :DDDDDDD