/lit/ - Literature

The reason I ask is because ever since the onions boy marvel webm's of someone losing their mind over an Avengers movie, I've felt guilty for consuming almost any media. This has caused me to come to the conclusion that consuming anything is fairly pointless and sometimes I feel like I'm waiting for death.

I feel guilty about the interests I do have

>>13134570
non-consumption of entertainment isn't asceticism lol
also entertainment is effectively pointless
someone who bounces from pleasure to pleasure to indulge in is running around like a chicken with its head cut off until death desu

>>13134570
you're problem is that you're a bitch who's too influenced by 4chan fags

>>13134592
it started with entertainment and has moved on.

also what is the difference between sticking with art for 20 years and running around to the newest marvel movies? One person offers more to society? Is that your purpose to produce for society instead so others can run around to see your art?

I don't like this way of thinking anon, I want out because I also don't think it's correct.

>>13134597
It brings up a point though anon. I feel disgusted when I see someone get that excited over an Avenger's movie. That snowballs my thinking into wondering if anything is worth consuming or doing and if it's better to try and just be content with less.

It's an interesting argument and I'm not sure what the argument against it is. It does feel somewhat incorrect though.

>>13134533
Imagine the smell.

>>13134609
just limit your consumption and don't overindulge in shit
it's a shortcoming of all of us everyday people that we constantly crave stimulation and pleasure, for its own sake and also to avoid unpleasantness.
If anything positive can come out of this, it's to seek a higher meaning/path than nihilistic materialist pleasure-seeking (if that is what you were doing before). You don't have to become a wandering ascetic or something to do that.

stealth blindpill thread, abort

>>13134621
>feel disgusted when I see someone get that excited over an Avenger's movie
Who cares
Honestly just kill yourself

>>13134629
This really does seem like the answer anon. I have a problem with grey areas and it's so much easier for me to go all in on something but I think you're right.

As long as you have a meaningful life and are taking care of your problems, it feels like consuming anything isn't a bad idea.
>>13134636
what is blindpill anon
>>13134639
hope you live a long life friend

>>13134652
I'm biased but with higher meaning/path I mean to something spiritual, or benevolent, or both.
Materialism + nihilism is a fuck

>>13134652
>hope you live a long life friend
I hope you don't, you lame idiot

>>13134671
yeah but what then did you already about what i said? i dont get ur point

So is anyone gonna recommend some books?

>>13134680
>what then did you already about what i

>>13134652
>consuming anything isn't a bad idea.
Consumption is probably ultimately a waste of time but imo we should be gentle with ourselves and others for being so deluded and caught up in pleasure and cheap stimulation, as is the tendency of humanity, and in the mean time just try and practice moderation as best we can - until maybe one day we lose these tendencies.

>>13134695
trolled u hehe :3

>>13134533
>>13134685
Nietzsche is the ultimate cure to asceticism. He doesn't necessarily view asceticism as bad, merely that it's not the best. He still sees it as superior to being a herd animal, but ultimately embracing life by trying to rise above the herd is superior to denying life entirely to keep from being sucked into the herd. Genealogy of Morals is generally where you're "supposed" to start with him, but if you want to jump right in Beyond Good and Evil is his book that is most similar to a traditional philosophical presentation. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is his magnum opus and you probably won't get even half of it if you read it first but go for it if you want. Antchrist is one of his books that is accessible to beginners and deals mostly with religion but in doing that it deals with asceticism as well.

>>13134685
Hermann Hesse - Glasbeadgame
Hesse in general, alot of his works focus on the conflict between material and spirit.

>>13134533
>>13134652
>>13134685
>the extreme of total asceticism to the point of depriving the body of food and drink
>the extreme of mindlessly chasing sensuality and indulgence
Follow the Middle Way, anons.

>>13134724
This. Just avoid Hedonism but also don't starve yourself

>>13134629
>t. All things in moderation, anon :^)
You probably still adhere to baby tier ethics like "don't be a dick" or "do what you feel like as long as it doesn't harm other people."

milquetoast, snoozepost and NPCpilled

>>13134753
>you probably do X, Y, Z
>buzzwords
woah, you sure got him!

>>13134753

>>13134753
>t. All things in moderation, anon :^)
If that's how I came across that's my bad. I think sensual indulgence only occurs insofar as one doesn't realize how bad it is - however we aren't enlightened monks who have done away with craving, so it is understandable when we have moments of weakness and indulge - but we should do our best to avoid doing so to whatever extent we are capable. Moderation is a good start for many people who are in the hedonistic deep end.

>>13134758
>buzzwords that are accurate are bad
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>>13134762
>buzzwords that are accurate are bad
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>>13134938
Woah. So this is the power of .

>>13134951
>I couldnt think of any thing to say back because I know he's right so I said nothing
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>>13134753
Here's an idea, and I want you to stay with me here, but not every problem has a complicated solution

>>13134570
Moderation is fine.

>>13134710
>ultimately embracing life by trying to rise above the herd
What do you mean by embracing life?

>>13134961
You have a small penis

>>13135175
You always here about a duck measuring contest over who has the longest penis, but you never here of a competition over who has the smallest. Why is that?

>>13135192
well I'm something of an ornithologist myself. Ducks have very large penii on average, the longest being 42cm. But these aren't really penii, but cloacal protuberances. The smallest of these penii do not belong to ducks, rather to songbirds.

you don't need any books to fight the guilt of watching capeshit from marvel. just stop watching it and watch better movies. download some fucking hong kong art house movies. try to make your own movie

>>13134892
>sensual indulgence only occurs insofar as one doesn't realize how bad it is
But anon, why is it bad?
inb4: children and dsts

>>13135248
sensual craving can never be satisfied and only leads ultimately to suffering.
a mind obsessed with sensual craving is too unstable to find higher pleasures than sensuality.

>>13134671
Why are you like this

>>13134938
Based

>>13134961
Damn even more based holy..

>>13135269
Hunger also can never be satisfied still you keep eating. This life only will lead you to more decay and suffering still you keep living.
A mind obsessed with TRYING AND AVOIDING sensual craving is too unstable to find higher pleasures.

Indugence instead of abstinence that's what I preach.

>>13135445
>Hunger also can never be satisfied still you keep eating
Hunger is necessary to live, indulgence is not. Not equivalent at all.

>>13135474
Indulgence in "sexual craving" is necessary to LIFE. Otherwise everything would die. There's a will to life living inside you, don't know why you should deny it.

*bump

>>13135431
He's a social shellfish

>>13134533
The Sayings of the Desert Fathers

>>13134533
The Cynics and Stoics teach how to live in accordance with nature and rid yourself of unnecessary tethers like property, fame and money, if not physically then at least mentally.

The cynics would be more strict about it. Diogenes famously lived in a wine barrel on the market square and purposefully ignored societal conventions that he deemed unnatural. Yet he would not starve himself. He tried to live in accordance with nature and improve himself and society. A dog does not starve itself on purpose, neither does Diogenes.

The stoics were more moderate about it, being willing to indulge those fleeting things like property and money for the sake of improving society as it is, but they made a point of not letting these fleeting things control their thinking. Trying to see all things external as indifferent to their being. This way a stoic could lose his mansion, his status and even his clothes and just shrug it off. Only his mind and will he would not compromise on, rather choosing death than compromise on what he deems the right course of action.

jfl @ all the 12 year olds going through their traditionalism phase. stop trying to reimburse yourself for being a pathetic joyless shut-in by calling anyone happier than you a hedonist

>>13136131
>teach
they teach nothing, that's their problems. all they do is talking about their goal but they have no method to reach their goals

>>13135519
>Otherwise everything would die.
so? besides women, who gives a shit and anyway things die all the time

how to get rid of fapping?

>>13136504
have sex.

>>13136509
There are no females in my social circles.

>>13136514
and?

>>13136515
And I'm not gay

>>13136520
Fucking get some in your social circle you retard

>>13136524
Who? How? My social circles are made by audio engineers, musicians and artists, girls don't exist in these places.

>>13134570
Just consume highly quality stuff, not teen movies

>>13136529
Enter another social circle

>>13136320
Half of stoic literature is about how to get there

>>13136616
Not that easy when you work, study and do everything there.

>>13136661
Maybe you don't have time for a woman then anyway

>>13134570
>guilty for consuming shit tier media
You are doing good.

>>13134570
There's no hope for capeshitters.

Don't have kids, please.

>>13135171
Embracing, without reservation or regret, this:
>259. Life itself is ESSENTIALLY appropriation, injury, conquest of the strange and weak, suppression, severity, obtrusion of peculiar forms, incorporation, and at the least, putting it mildest, exploitation;” (BGE)

>>13136504
how to get rid of the desire to be one being fapped to

>>13137238
Kill yourself and hope to be reincarnated in one.

>>13136670
Still I desire it.

>>13134621
>I feel disgusted when I see someone get that excited over an Avenger's movie.

b8 or retard, The oldest question

>>13137458
He's right, capeshit should be banned from cinema.

>>13136504
dont.

_

Watched Aquaman with my dad last night and it was enjoyable. You don't have to consume high art all the time to be cool.

>>13137081
Cope by Western cucks who want to generalize capitalist competition to all spheres of life. Life is both tranquil and red in tooth and claw. I have more respect for the person who can balance the knowledge of both than this cringetard shit


Americans were a mistake

>>13137403
Prostitutes

>>13139331
I'm not interested in sex, what I desire is an intimate connection and affinity with a woman.

>>13139610
I don't know what sort of genius advice you think that you're going to get. The path forward is pretty fucking clear, eh?

>>13136320
It's all praxis. Do as I do.

>>13136324
>besides women, who gives a shit
I don't think that sentiment is exclusive to women

>>13136241
>avoiding any sensuality and indulgence beyond the bare minimum required to live, just for the sake of restraint
pretty pointless I'd agree
>avoiding sensuality and indulgence in order to reach a meditative bliss devoid of sensuality and to help develop higher qualities like virtue
not pointless

>>13134597
Never listen to low IQ stylometry people. Listen to people like me. Not this retard who cannot bother to capitalize or punctuate. I have your best interests in mind OP >>13134533
, he doesn't. Asceticism is good, purges your mind and body of its bad elements and what is reborn is glorious. Bugmen like this idiot want to stop you and drag you down in life. Do not fall for his tricks. I have posted on occasion, with the interest of helping people. Mental midgets like one I'm replying too, use this site because it was once a bastion for the hedonistic hellspawn who came here for anime, video games, and their worthless idle lifestyles. They've been here for a decade and they want to drag you down to the pits with them. Stay on the right path and stay strong.

>>13134533
Combat? Why would you want to do that? Everything is easier with less.
t.someone who fasts about a quarter of the year

>>13136504
By not looking at this picture

>>13140440
hard task

>>13134621
What's the alternative then? Sitting around in a hut in the wilderness, praying to some deity all day? That sort of indulgence is almost as bad as losing your mind over capeshit and playing video games all day. Both are a form of escapism.

>>13134533
In a word, Tantra.
That is all.

>>13134570
>This has caused me to come to the conclusion that consuming anything is fairly pointless
This is true.

>>13134621
Read Siddhartha by Steppenwolf's lead singer, Herman Hesse.

>>13134710
Nietzche, and all atheism, ultimately comes down to mere coping. There's no reason for Nietzsche to say that "embracing life" is better than asceticism beyond that idea being a personal preference of his (i.e. his feelings).

>>13134533
Just do what I did. Pick a goal and work toward it.
I quit video games and media for 3 years. Read numerous classics, got into the best shape of my life, focused on school and work. After a few years eating only raw food and not interacting with media you'll likely grow out of it. Maybe not.

>>13134570
Just consume it ironically and you will be fine.

>>13139696
How do you know that you actually get meditative bliss and virtue from avoiding sensuality? What if that’s all a myth and you end up purposely passing by the few happy things of life for no reason at all?

>>13143425
"Few happy things in life"
Such as? Can you prove they are happy?

>>13143309
>nietzsche endorsed atheism
Stopped reading there, go read a book instead of reading wikipedia.

>>13143519
I never said he endorsed it. I said that Nietzscheanism is necessarily atheism.

>>13141672
For a cumbrain with no self control, it is a hard task. A smart person would delete all saved porn, block all pornographic sites and and never look back. You sit around wonder "how" meanwhile you post shit like this and try to bring others down. Truth is, you never wanted to stop in the first place. You're scum

>>13143425
>How do you know that you actually get meditative bliss and virtue from avoiding sensuality?
It doesn't come from avoiding sensuality alone - you have to meditate and pursue spiritual paths which require a lack of sensuality.
I know because I've experienced such bliss myself.

>>13143425
>How do you know that you actually get meditative bliss and virtue from avoiding sensuality?
Personal experience. First, you trust that what the buddha said is true. Then you actually try it and you find out if it's true or not.

>>13143559
Yeah that's still wrong and you're still a retarded pseud.

>>13143887
k

>>13143921
>say something wrong
>get called on it
>admits he's wrong and fucks off
Surprisingly civil

>>13136529
Do groupies not exist anymore?

>>13143309
Retard. READ a book not some cheap article.

>>13134533
>asceticism
Keeping aside the fact that this thread is filled with retards who don't know what this means let me say this: The engineers, scientists and the 'do'ers have done more for the betterment of themselves and of this world than any faggot self indulgent assetic

>>13143574
>mfw any one random shitposter still posts more diverse images and comments than the spermposter

>>13144508
>Assuming materialism is true.

>>13134533
become sanyasi my friend

>>13134533
why combat it. asceticism in wild nature is amazing.

>>13144522
The original hasn't posted for weeks if not months. Chasteanon would have written a 3000 word post.

>>13134623
my diary desu

>>13144508
How have they?

>>13137238
drifting into the abstract, in terms of how i view myself

>>13137238
Become a useful member and provider of society so you become desirable in another way.

>>13139610
Make a tulpa

>>13144508
What do you think it means to better yourself and the world?

>>13134570
Try this, from 30 min to at least 45.

>>13147001
woops, forgot the important part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MNC5iWVne0

>>13143574
shit

>>13144508
monks, priests and ascetics from all over have maintained important scholarly texts throughout history
they've been pretty important

>>13134592
dumb and edgy

>>13146991
Already have one.

>>13147915
>Effectively living like an animal as a slave to your pleasure-seeking and pain-avoidant instincts all your life doesn't make you like an animal and less like a human

>>13143574
A picture of a girl being funny and vaguely sexy isn't porn, though I feel what you say.

I have self control and moderation indeed, but I need a release due to the cumulative stress that I take, masturbation is completely natural besides. I guess it's still better than doing drugs recurrently or being an alcoholic, which I never did in my life. I have friends who smoke weed everyday and they're complete retards and socially awkward.

>>13148110
>cumulative
cum-ulative
lol

>>13141672
>>13136504
sauce please

>>13149025
hailey lu richardson

_

>>13134621
You seem young. I have been down those paths before.

Some advice:
It's ok for other people to be excited about things that you are not excited about. Instead of looking at it with a cynical eye, look at it with more empathy. Recognize that you're watching someone who is enthusiastically enjoying something. This is not a behaviour to be disgusted by. It's something we should all learn to do. Cynicism is a flesh eating fungus that can rot out your core if you dont fight it.

That being said, anyone who watches Marvel or new Starwars or any new movie based on an existing franchise is a complete brainlet.

>>13134533