/lit/ - Literature

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>>1312041
>>EASIEST TO HACK

OH 4CHAN...

i have a nook and like it. but i have friends with a kindle and it really seems just as good.

kindle!

nook's touch screen is sheet

kobo = homo

hack for what?

illegal books will work on all

also OP is a faggot

>>1312050

I just want to be able to download books for free and read them. Is the Kindle really the best for that?

>>1312041

use calibre to convert to w/e file w/e ereader you get supports.....theyre all pretty much the same, kindle just seems the best to me

>>1312057
So I've heard. There's also converters like Calibre for the few file formats Kindle doesn't use.

Kindle is definitely the nicest out right now, unless you want a Nook Color(/mini iPad). Nook Color is fucking beautiful, but it's a backlit screen and isn't what I'm looking for in an ereader.

>>1312061
I use the sony, its great. The epub format is slightly, emphasis on slightly, better for illegal booking. Its probably not worth the extra cost, but its still a great machine.

If you really want to do some hardcore hacking or something I think the nook is linux based.

It just works

>>1312067
If OP was this post >>1312057 I don't think he's into hardcore cracking. I'd still say the Kindle, but that's nice to know for people who are into it.

>>1312069
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGmRKSds9OY

>>1312077
>she paid 139+ for sunglasses.

Typical kindle elitist.

>>1312050
this, especially the part about OP being a faggot

Kindle or die niggas

>>1312079
She could have paid $250 for a Nook Color.

I can't buy an iPad, because I'm not a faggot.

And I'll never a touch a Kindle, not after they dicked with people by remotely deleting content.

>>1312096
>they dicked with people by remotely deleting content.
wat?

>>1312096
YOU WOULD BUY SHIT ON A KINDLE?

>>1312098

Google 'Kindle' and '1984'

Ironic story is ironic.

>>1312111
I love how amazon goes out of its way to encourage people to buy ebooks from them, really selling the benefits of purchasing over piracy. [/sarcasm]

>>1312099

I would buy ebooks, if they'd move to something along the lines of an iTunes model. If ebooks were priced at $1 or something (put a premium price on new releases, sure), I'd buy several a week on impulse.

But as it is, ebooks cost nearly as much as physical books, and in some instances even more. You want me to pay $10, $20, $30 for a fucking text file? Good luck.

The piracy of ebooks is in its relative infancy, the quality of pirated editions is all over the map, multiple file formats, and are distinctly harder to find and search for than pirated music, movies and software, and the selection at pirate sources is comparatively narrow, again, compared to music, movies and software.

If publishers stopped trying to run the ebook market on the same assumptions as physical books (printing costs, warehousing, shipping, store shelf space, etc), and sold ebooks in a way that encouraged people to easily amass a collection and wed themselves to that system (and if DRM isn't unreasonable re. transferring to other devices you own, etc), then they could make ebook piracy wither before it even takes root.

>>1312143
>But as it is, ebooks cost nearly as much as physical books, and in some instances even more. You want me to pay $10, $20, $30 for a fucking text file? Good luck

I agree. I just made this point in the other thread, but why would anyone spend that much on an ebook when they could easily find a physical copy at a used bookstore for half or a quarter of that price?

Also what the fuck is with all the ereader threads?

>>1312143
I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY CURRENT PROFIT MARGIN

>>1312143
>If publishers stopped trying to run the ebook market on the same assumptions as physical books (printing costs, warehousing, shipping, store shelf space, etc), and sold ebooks in a way that encouraged people to easily amass a collection and wed themselves to that system (and if DRM isn't unreasonable re. transferring to other devices you own, etc), then they could make ebook piracy wither before it even takes root.

It's going to come back to bit them in the ass if they don't start fixing this soon. My only intention of buying an ereader is to get free books and that's the general consensus of most who post here about getting ereaders. It's always, "free books" and "saves me a shitload of money pirating books" etc. I've rarely seen anyone say they plan on buying an ereader and buying books from the ereader's maker. 2-3 times at the most, out of dozens of people talking about "free books"...

>>1312082
Nook Color doesn't use epaper and therefore sucks.

>>1312156
/lit/ is not the general population, ebooks are selling great.

>>1312158
That was a sarcastic remark. Nook Color is like a mini ipad. The screen is fucking amazing, but who would you buy an ereader that doesn't use eink.

>>1312159
They are because most of the public buys books. Most of the public used to buy CDs too, but then a few started pirating them, and then a lot started pirating them, and then iTunes sort of fixed that, but they still get pirated a lot. At least among this type of crowed (younger, techy).

ebooks are OVER 9000 times worse for the environment when compared to regular books and you would have to buy hundreds of books and read them to make up the cost. On top of that 30 years from now when you remember back to that book you loved reading in your youth you will have to buy it all over again because there is next to no chance you will keep the file or your ebook for 30 years. Normal books on the other hand add to a permanent library which you build up over your entire life.

You are all elitist assholes.

>>1312165
You can still purchase the ones that matter, jackass. Most people pirate books anyways, if they really like it they can find it pretty cheap used and have a physical copy.

There, everyone's bitching is solved!

>>1312168
Assuming EVERY BOOK EVER MADE was available online to be downloaded for free you would still have to read several dozen books to make up the cost (but let's not forget most of the books you will be reading WON'T be available for free).

OVER 9000 times worse for the environment.

> if they really like it they can find it pretty cheap used and have a physical copy.
Why buy one when you can buy two for twice the price?!

ebooks are for assholes who masturbate to technology... they are not one iota better than macfags who buy everything Steve Jobs so much as spits on.

>>1312171
There is a huge selection of books available online for free assuming you have nothing against pirating. This immediately pays for itself assuming you read a decent number of books on it (unless you're a libraryfag, but that doesn't do much to prove your point either). If you can't find what you want, it's cheaper to buy it used anyways. This has nothing to do with buying books twice.

EREADERS are for those who want to save money. And what's wrong with a nice piece of technology? It's cheap, convenient, saves space. Not everyone needs a fancy collection or is a nostalgia-fag and has to keep everything they've ever read.

>>1312165
>you would have to buy hundreds of books and read them to make up the cost
lets say ebook costs 250$. Typical paperback costs somewhere at 8$. So, its just around 30 books to make up the cost - 5-6 monthes for an average active reading person. Even if we assume that you're a faggot and still gonna purchase books for money - probably a year, two tops.
>Normal books on the other hand add to a permanent library which you build up over your entire life.
Im pretty sure in 30 years most of the books would be free/or in file-form in every library around/could be just uploaded in your brain directly
>worse for the environment
Trees disapprove this statement

>>1312177
Fuck the environment right?

>>1312179
>uploaded in your brain directly
For the love of everything good in the world, I hope you are joking.

>Trees disapprove this statement
>thinks using paper is worse than throwing away even the smallest electronic device
mfw

>>1312180
HAHAHA there are so many other much more damaging things to the environment than some ereaders. If this is you're only argument left, it is very petty and weak.

No one is convincing you to buy an ereader. Have you books, I don't give a fuck. I'm going to do what works for me. You do what works for you.

>>1312181
Most of these devices can be recycled. Either back to the source and refurbished and resold. There are organizations that send older Kindles to soldiers overseas. Everything can be recycled. This environmental argument is non-relevant.

>>1312185
1) The average person throws electronics away instead of finding a place to recycle it as soon as something better comes out, ranging between 2 and 5 years.

2) IF it is recycled or refurbished then the replaced parts end up in a dump (batteries typically thrown away to leak toxins in some dump).

3) IF it gets into someone else's hands then you have only added a couple years onto the life of the device, maybe less.

4) You cannot recycle most of the material in electronic devices. Most of it ends up in a dump, most of what ends up in a dump is toxic.

Books, unlike ebooks, last decades; and even if we forbid all books from being recycled the trees it takes to produce books doesn't compare to the energy required to produce ebooks and the damage done by the toxins released into the environment when it reaches the landfill.

If you don't believe me then look up what happens to electronics after they are thrown out yourself. If you won't even do that and want to remain an elitist fag then by all means, ignore this post.

>>1312182
>I could poor mercury bucket of mercury into a river.
>Poring a bucket of mercury into a river is worse for the environment then throwing out electronics
>Therefore throwing out electronics doesn't hurt the environment.
BRILLIANT!

>>1312182
>I could poor a bucket of mercury into a river.
>Poring a bucket of mercury into a river is worse for the environment then throwing out electronics
>Therefore throwing out electronics doesn't hurt the environment.
BRILLIANT!

>>1312179
>>1312182
>>1312185
retard award, low but existing probability of samefag

I'll be lolling hard at all of you macbreds thinking 2050 will be about electronic libraries from that qui-gon jinn sequence where he googles teh universe

>>1312193
>bitches about electronics damaging environment
>is on some sort electronic to post on /lit/

>>1312199
You are obviously a consumer to an electronic. ereaders are but a smaller part of a bigger problem. You bought your electronic to go on the internet. You're also part of the problem if you follow your own logic.

Why is /lit/ superior ?

Because people debate like US open tennis players

i work at a borders and we're really trying to push the selling of ereaders. Havent had any experience with the nook or kindle but i have played with
the libre(piece of shit, we dont even bother mentioning to people we sell them)
the sony touch(actually pretty good and popular, uses lcd screen though and is smaller)
the cruz(also a piece of shit, the touch screen is terrible as is the processor, havent seen a single one sold)
and the kobo(fucking love the display, it just feels nice, they seem to be selling well and so expect more models)

i agree, ebooks cost way to much, i was thinking about buying an ereader but $10 for a file when the hardcopy is $6 is just retarded

>>1312200
I never said electronics should never be used. There is nothing that fills the role of a computer thus I NEED to buy a computer. On top of that my university requires it. Cellphones are also devices that can't be replaced.

What I am saying is that ebooks don't have a unique role. Their job is filled out by books already. People who buy ebooks do it just for the sake of having some new electronic device. If there were eclothes they would buy those too.

>>1312207
It's not for the sake of having an electronic device. They have obvious uses and are beneficial to people in separate ways. The only complaint that's still being discussed is the fact they're bad for the environment. A lot of other electronic devices are as well. An ereader isn't going to do much when there are way more people buying computers and disposable cellphones. You're seriously nitpicking just to hate on ereaders at this point. Get over yourself you elitist asshole.

>>1312207
I bought an ereader because I was leaving to travel the world and having a one small light piece of technology was WAY more efficient than carrying around a bunch of books while I travel.

I've been gone a year and a half now, seen 52 countries and read about 200 books and I have to say this kindle is the best buy I've probably ever made.

>>1312207

Scanning university texts and sharing amongst the entire class on ereaders as opposed to everyone shelling out $80 for something they'll skim through for a course and never use again.

That would have been very relevant to my interests when I was doing my B of A. Some classes, the prof would have a couple dozen magazines and periodicals on hold at the library, which everyone was expected to read at some point. The solution we had (and which the prof acknowledged) was for one guy to sign it all out, and take it to a copy shop. He'd come back with a huge box full of paper copies of articles, and everyone would pay him like $5 for his time and costs.

also, environment much?

http://inhabitat.com/the-green-book-worlds-lightest-e-reader-unveiled/

This

I have one and it's great! The menu can be in english

pic related

>>1312221
>>1312212
This is almost out of the subject. We cannot deny ereaders function and effectiveness when it comes to travel or studies manuals. But this was more about books vs ebooks, aka those novels & so on that you read for yourself (or for a major) at home, outside, in a park, in your city, etc.

Yet, still.

Traveling isn't much of an excuse to buy a kindle. There are tons of libraries worldwide... And as long as you're not moving to underdeveloped countries, you're bound to find something you will like - heck even a foreign book, translated into English. That's how I would see long distance, long duration traveling anyway, by generally embracing another culture rather than bringing yours in your luggage. A plain waste if you ask me... As for the students, aren't there different methods ? At my college we share said manuals, work together, go to the university library to borrow them, and so on. It really isn't an issue.

A point so far EVERYBODY seemed to have ignored. Kindle falls ? Kindle has a chance of breaking. Notice how I say a chance, I didn't call it a PS3, which brings us to the Sony Reader and other much more fragile devices compared to the kindle. Book falls ? Stop staring and pick it up, lulz! It's simply delusional not to bear in mind the vast area of pros a book still offers. As far as I'm concerned it's the other way around: aside from the economic save for classics gone public copyright, it's pretty much pointless. I wonder how many of you actually got one or even checked the prices for any recent fiction or non-fiction recent, they're a fucking joke.

Last point, the environment. Well well well. I don't give a shit about planet Earth (oh okay, a smallllllllllll shit) but AT LEAST I know the basics. Out there, in everything we consume, there are two ways to measure its "danger mark": biodegradability and renewability. Book, trees, needless to say, are very biodegradable, sturdy, stay alive for decades, are exchanged, and so on. Also the paper industry already benefits from recycling. A kindle on the other hand is made of fossil fuels and chemical components. It also sucks out electricity like crazy when compared to what a book costs in terms of energy (I am aware of kindle's long battery, this was a relative judgement, you got my point). There have been much research on the subject of carbon footprints electronic devices in general can generate. For instance, a Swedish study claims that the environmental impact of reading news online, for more than 30 minutes a day, has more impact than one year of consumption of a printed newspaper.

>>1312395
Have you ever tried to carry around 20 books while you explore new places? I don't see how that isn't relevant.

>>1312418
Did you even read me.

Be realistic, who carries 20 books all around, all the time, without leaving 19 of them at the hotel room, in the suitcase, etc. Also, who brings 20 books unless it's a considerably long trip. Also, who brings books when one can discover foreign ones.

No you definitely didn't read me.

dont see wat the point is in them really. a novel lasts longer that the battery time of these things

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I wanted to get either a Kindle or a Nook.
Turns out the Nook isn't sold internationally, so it's out of the question.
Then I went to Amazon to check out the Kindle and prices. Turns out they have stock for the US market but the international version takes 7 to 9 weeks to ship and they even warn you that you will not get it by Christmas.
Well that was disappointing.

Anyway, the Kindle can't read .epub, how bad is it? Will it be fine if I just turn everything to .mobi?
Also .pdf is equally bad on a 6 inch screen as it always has been?

>>1312453
I think there are pretty good programs like calibre which can convert anything the way you want. Font is adaptable, other contrast settings too.

If you want a Kindle that bad, I suggest you take a peek at ebay. Bound to find one in your geographical area that will be shipped in no time, brand new, from a highly rated, long time seller.

>>1312444
The eink display says you're wrong.

>>1312459
Unless you use wireless, kindle stays up quite long indeed, like 4000 pages from a full recharge if I recall well

>>1312464
wish I had a nuclear fusion powered kindle
Forever no recharge

Sony is the best man. The touch screen is amazing and it means it doesn't need the ugly keyboard at the bottom.

Plus it has support for the best amount of file types.

>>1312457
How good are the results when converting .pdf to other formats, when it's mostly just text?

Also, the price from e-bay escalates too much, it costs 95E from Amazon but the price from e-bay is 150E+. A store here has it too, but for 220E.
I think I'll wait the 2 months.

>>1312473
Well I know adobe does a good job at that already, so I assume calibre does even better. Check some videos or the official website.

@ebay haha fuck me, you're right, prices are crazy. Guess amazon has some rights to prevent them from going low maybe. Or just a bunch of greedy fucks.

My most used reader? Android phone. Take your pick of apps.

I also own both a (1st gen) Kindle and a Sony 505 which are both much nicer. I do use them. At home, in bed, mostly. The phone I'll definitely have on me when my 9AM doctor's appointment still has me sitting in the waiting room at 10AM+.

That's worth quite a bit.

>>1312395
I'm travelling around the world, my goal is to go to as many countries as is possible in the 5 years I have so I don't have luggage, I have a backpack with ALL my things. The kindle is more efficient than physical books in this scenario for these reasons.

1. It's light and easy to carry (the number 1 reasons I bought it)
2. Most local libraries around the world only have books in their language.
3. On long journeys where there will be no stops for a long time having 100's of books in one device is handy. (this came in handy on the Trans-Siberian express, long journey, pretty scenery, very little stops.)
4. When visiting underdeveloped countries or countries with no access or care for English it allows you to keep reading. (I mean seriously try and find English books in Mongolia)

As for the whole "embrace another culture, don't bring yours" yeah that's a nice sentiment but the truth is for books you have to bring your own, even though I have the kindle I'm still stopping by libraries and book shops for a look and it's rare as fuck to see any English titles outside of English speaking countries and if there IS one then it's the same 10-20 books in every place (Shakespeare, George Orwell, The Bible and oddly the Harry Potter series) You will NOT find local authors works written in English for your convenience, the people there do not speak your language and are not going to go out of their way to cater to foreigners. Hell go to YOUR local library and look for books in other languages there, tell me how many you find.

>>1312531
>I'm travelling
>my goal
>I have
>I don't have
>I have
>my things

Did it occur to you your situation is notably particular and in no way common ? When we are trying to weight the pros and cons of ereaders carefully, you're insisting on an example of a situation inside a situation inside an example. This pretty much takes away any kind of relevance your statement was meant to have. You really think a lot of people have years to make a whole world trip like this, and instead of focusing on photography, local activities, discussions with PEOPLE in the train (hello alpha wolf), land expeditions, they will spend their time doing what they could do at home, because it "helps kill time" ? What about video games, movies, music ? They're a much more widespread form of entertainment when it comes to bearing long travels.

>>1312395
Fuck you, the sony reader is way more robusts than the kindle.

>>1312543
My argument in >>1312531 was not for buying a kindle but was more against your point that there was no reason to buy a kindle if you were travelling as I have found in my experience that it is not true.

As for not taking photos, doing local activities and talking to people I have done all three of these plenty of times, I love talking to locals and getting to know the area and culture, I've taken plenty of pictures as I travelled the simple fact is there are some times where you either run out of things to do or have a hellishly long wait for no real reason.

For example the Trans-Siberian Express. If there is no problems on the line and the train does not have to stop the journey from Moscow to Vladivostok takes around 6 days, during that time you can view the wonderful scenery, take pictures, do the one or two activities the train has and talk and get to know people in your room/on the train but you'll run out of things to do/talk about after a while and being stuck in a tiny little room will drive you mad.

>>1312621
In my room alone (4 beds, 3 people including me were there for the whole line) We talked, ate, played cards and had a laugh but we also sat in our beds doing activities. I and a Russian fellow read, the other man drew pictures of the scenery and portraits of us all as mementos. My kindle actually started a discussion with the Russian man I was sharing the room with as neither of us spoke my of the others language but we both loved books and we were both reading through Crime and Punishment, provoking a bunch of discussion.

I guess the main reason I read while travelling instead of playing video games, listening to music or watching movies is because I like doing it better when I have to wait and in this situation there is a TON of pointless waiting.

There is also the issue of storage, I brought 20,000 books with me on the kindle and I've barely scratched that, if it had been movies or games I would have needed a ton of storage capacity to even bring 50 or so and I would have went through them rather fast. I do have an mp3 player with me and it has served me well but I do much more prefer just listening to the sounds of the places I find myself in.

My opinion is that books are great, where you want them in ebook format or physical copy is more a matter of preference anyone who is fanatic about either extreme is just being silly.
If I was in my house right now I'd love nothing more than a nice had back leather bound book but I can understand that some people enjoy the mobility and handiness of a kindle or other such ereader and I do not begrudge them it since it has after all proven rather useful to me so far.

I hope everyone has a good day, It's 2am here so I am off to sleep.

>>1312611
>Sony
>more robust

not bad

>>1312395
>Kindle falls ? Kindle has a chance of breaking
http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permalink/m25LKTYHEBQP7L

Op, I've been lurking some of the e-reader debate threads here for a bit. I was sold on the Kindle after much back-and-forth arguing. My Kindle arrives tomorrow.

Most of the e-readers each do something the other doesn't. I saw an infomercial that allowed you to access facebook and other online apps. It was like a mini I-pad.

Just figure out what you need it to do as opposed to what you want it to do. All I need an e-reader for is to read books. Everything else that is offered from the other e-readers I already have on this computer and my laptop. So, there's no point for the extra stuff.

Just weight the pro's and con's - what you want to what you need it for. You'll figure it out.

Op, I've been lurking some of the e-reader debate threads here for a bit. I was sold on the Kindle after much back-and-forth arguing. My Kindle arrives tomorrow.

Most of the e-readers each do something the other doesn't. I saw an infomercial that allowed you to access facebook and other online apps. It was like a mini I-pad.

Just figure out what you need it to do as opposed to what you want it to do. All I need an e-reader for is to read books. Everything else that is offered from the other e-readers I already have on this computer and my laptop. So, there's no point for the extra stuff.

Just weight the pro's and con's - what you want to what you need it for. You'll figure it out.

Op, I've been lurking some of the e-reader debate threads here for a bit. I was sold on the Kindle after much back-and-forth arguing. My Kindle arrives tomorrow.

Most of the e-readers each do something the other doesn't. I saw an infomercial for an e-reader (forgot the name) that allowed you to access facebook and other online apps. It was like a mini I-pad.

Just figure out what you need it to do as opposed to what you want it to do. All I need an e-reader for is to read books. Everything else that is offered from the other e-readers I already have on this computer and my laptop. So, there's no point for the extra stuff.

Just weight the pro's and con's - what you want to what you need it for. You'll figure it out.

>>1312625
I posted something along the lines latey.

I'm a huge FANCYEDITIONSHEKKSI fanatic, and I love building a shelf. Nevertheless I plan on buying an ereader... Eventually. Could be in years. My collection building is slightly independant of my reading. Basically, I may read some old must-read from the 19th century on an ereader, and then, later, buy it, be it new or in very good condition, despite the fact that I haven't touched it, or discovered the story through it. Maybe I will re-read it. I don't know.

Anyway, at my rythm of reading, and my rythm of buying, I see no point in getting an ereader. On top of that, my town has a bunch of libraries with a lot of said classics, allowing me to borrow many at once if I would come to travel. Frankly, the way some of you go above 10 books is scary, apart from looooooong trips in which case a kindle seems not only advised, but unavoidable. Either way, it's much more economic to pay a 10$ subscription a year at a library than an ereader, and provides the _RELATIVE_ pleasure of touching a real book, with history, with age, with smell.

Also I don't think it's extreme not to care at all about physical books and go 100% ereader, or the countrary. It's really a question of personality, we aren't tuned to the same sensitiveness... What is trivial for some would be terribly necessary for others to merely be able to read in the right state.

>>1312531
>I'm travelling around the world, my goal is to go to as many countries as is possible in the 5 years

Man I'm jelly as fuck. This is basically one of my life dreams; I just don't have the money or time.

I have around 2000 books on my kindle and didn't pay a single penny for any of them, and I've only had my kindle for a month. It's stupid to not have an ereader. BTW I recommend the kindle.

>>1313200
>mini ipad

When something becomes a mini ipad, it should automatically be compared to the ipod and iphone, because an ipad essentially is a giant ipod/iphone. This makes me face palm. I just want to make a point, I'm not disagreeing with your post (Kindles are great). Just the ipad annoys me. The idea of an ipad and then electronics being compared to the ipad when its essentially a giant ipod/iphone and not a tablet computer at all. There isn't a market called 'ipad'... So why the fuck is everything compared to it? It's like it's a market of it's own. It's a tablet computer that fails to be what it was supposed to be. It has no purpose. This device is useless. It's not a catch-all device. I wish everyone would stop comparing everything else to it. Its not superior, it's a fucking useless device.

/rant