/lit/ - Literature

first for sanderfag a hack now and forever

Reminder that Birdboi bullying has made him suicidally depressed and doubtful of his work. We did it boys.

>>13112124
somewhat related i think i found birdboi's future
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicles_of_an_Age_of_Darkness
>"an ambitious outline for a series of twenty novels. This would have been followed by two equally long series[...]This SIXTY volume scheme ended with the publication of the tenth volume because of disappointing sales"
>"...the naming scheme, consisting of continual alliterative "W"-titles featuring unusual words put people off"

Swing shift has been out for four days now. What do we think of it?

>>13112124
>>13112157
What's the update on his work, anyone got the latest shit?

>>13112230
We think you should first write about your own opinion so we can belittle it and insult the book, regardless of what we actually think.

How do you feel about The Belgariad, /sffg/?

>>13112636
tried to read it recently but i guess you can only appreciate it if you've read it as a kid

>>13112636
I came to it late, after reading a lot of fantasy and other Eddings works
It's not amazing, but solid, and much less retarded than the Redemption of Althalus (gib goddess gf nao)

>>13112157

>60 books

Talk about bloat.

>>13112636
It's super comfy but a book aimed at teens or those that have never read a fantasy book before.

>>13112642
This. Eddings is too juvenile and two-dimensional to present anything that would engage a well-read adult. Though my favourite was always the shit with Sparhawk.

>>13112678
But imagine the satisfaction of finishing the series. 60 books worth of emotional buildup and character development.

>>13112636
Read it when I was 14-15 and found it comfy but juvenile. I doubt I'd enjoy it if I reread it.

>>13112124
>we did it, Reddit
Stop.

>>13112230
It has been out 7 days, not 4.

>>13112636
Who is the mature onahole, and the loli slut?

So since ASOIAF is never getting finished - what are some fun character driven fantasy romps that aren't as dull as Tolkien?

>>13113234
Apparently, the loli is Asuka but 10 times worse.

>>13113282
The Lies of Locke Lamora. Just don't read past the first book.

>>13113284
Google says that asuka is some wwe wrestler.

>>13113337
don't be a baka

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/13/idiocy-on-the-internet/
>A DREAM OF SPRING is not even begun
>It seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet, I don't finish books
lmao believers BTFO

>>13113411
>Don't believe in a conspiracy that says that I'm not incompetent, I AM truly an incompetent lazy fat cunt.

>>13113282
Bakker

>>13112762

I don't think you could end a series that long in a meaningful and satisfactory way.

>>13113411
>>13113471
Based

Any one have a bead on any recently published cyberpunk stuff? I'm nearly through all of Gibson's early stuff, after which I'll jump to other forefathers, but I'm curious as to how the sub-genre might have developed after all these years.

>>13113347
I only lurked in sffg for the past 2years, you can't expect me to know all the new maymays and pop culture references. Fug off.

can big fantasy nerds give me their top 3 series of all time? want something new to read and would like it to be quality

I don't like these covers..
Maybe the first one, a bit

>>13114299
Throne of Glass
Kingkiller Chronicle
Mistborn

Honorable mentions -
Malazan
Dresden Files

>>13114346
You are a horrible person

>>13114346

>>13114324
Check out these rare(?) Finnish covers for BotNS>

I'm ordering Children of Ruin, it just came out
The 2nd book following Children of Time, the one with the big friendly spiders.
I'll get back to you about it, in like a month

Thoughts/opinions on the first law trilogy and abercrombies other books in the same universe?

based and degeneracypilled

>>13114445
Is Children of Time good? I almost bought it from the store the other day,

>>13114504
Best modern fantasy desu

>>13114804
It's one of the better sci-fi books of the last few years.

>>13114804
I liked it
though take it with a grain of salt, I'm a fan of the author and his insect-loving ways

>>13114810
Sounds like Memecrombie completely SUBVERTED your brain there pal.

>>13113282
Malazan

>>13114504
It’s like Rian Johnson wrote a grimdark book

>>13114504
>First Law
The structure is horrible, the entire first book is basically an information dump. Others say that the books are slow, something I don't really agree on but I do find Abercrombies writing and plotting subpar. The guy have written a couple of short stories, steal one of them if you want a taste without committing to reading a bazillion pages.

>>13114814
>>13114822
Might pick it up then, was only like £6.

Any other good sci-fi in the last few years you know of?

>>13114871
Spiral Wars by Joel Shepherd

>>13114504
>the first law trilogy and abercrombies other books in the same universe
The standalone books are overall better than the original trilogy, Abercrombie and Scott Lynch really should just write standalones and not bother with series but they wont because those usually don't sell as well.

>>13114504
>DUDE,GRIMDARK,LMAO

>>13114258
> asuka
> new
kids these days

To the anon that wanted a "after 10,000 years I'm finally free" look at pic related.

>>13114246
cyberpunk is not a very deep genre. you've got a few books by PKD, gibson, stephenson, and then you have to look really hard for anything else good. cyberpunk is retro-future 80s, and no one cares about the 80s anymore.

>>13114804
I didn't like it, it feels like space fantasy, not science fiction. you have very basic themes (misogyny is bad mkay, power of friendship). the spiders go through a very recognizable western european compressed history.

the writing is easy enough to read, though, I breezed through it in a few days

Are there any fantasy books you edgelords actually agree is great other than LOTR?

It seems like every book/series just gets shit on here.

>>13115167
If a fantasy book was good it would have been written as science fiction.

>>13115040
>kids these days
I'm a boomer actually. *sips*

>>13115067
>Erikson
related to Steven?

>>13115182
So Mark Lawrence?

>>13115167
LotR is shit, Hobbit is ok though.

And why tf do you want everyone to agree on something? That's the worst thing that can happen to any place of discussion.

I wish there was more urban fantasy (fantasy world) detective stuff
I like some urban fantasy (modern world) stuff, but the former scratches an itch the latter doesn't

>>13113347
>>13115040
Oh. You mean that girl in the red on the bike. I never watched that/ Was meaning to for years, but never got around to it.

>>13115306
Unironically the first 3 Dresden books, they're pretty decent noir detective stories. Don't read past 3 books though.

>>13115167
>Are there any fantasy books you edgelords actually agree is great other than LOTR?
>LOTR
>great
>everyone agrees to this.
It's shit. Only dino scum like to put that trash on a pedestal.

>>13115342
>leddit thinks they're worse than t-rex zombie

>keep hearing people recommend Red Rising
>disregard it because it's young adult
>finally get around to reading it
>it's actually really good and the "YA" genre pidgeonhole comes from the protagonist's age
Fuck

>>13115492
>kept telling you it isn't YA
>you still ignore me and continue to meme about it being YA
>finally read it and see it isn't YA
kys

>>13115167
I seldom seen anyone shit on Jonathan Strange, Lyonesse, Howl's Moving Castle, Lud-in-the-Mist, Latro or Sabriel. To mention the first that comes to mind.

>>13115167
>fantasy books you edgelords actually agree is great other than LOTR?
BotNS and Gormenghast are usually well regarded

>>13115569
There's always some retard rambling about dinosaurs whenever Gormenghast is praised so I'm not so sure about universal acclaim.

>>13115557
:(

Need novels with evil waifus asap this erection isn't going away

>>13115593
You can safely disregard anything the dino fag says. He linked his Goodreads page once and all he read was Sanderson and Urban Fantasy.

Him and the Amazon self published chart poster are the biggest crayon munching retards that you should never pay attention to on this general.

>>13115566
>Jonathan Strange
people shit on it because the author wrote a few chapter outlines, then got the book published before turning them into real chapters

>>13115492
It is YA and even worse it's a mashup of Hunger Games and Ender's Game.
The tone does change drastically from book 2 onwards though.

>>13115723
Dragonlance has Takhisis, and the half-elf's bitch GF.

>>13115751
>It is YA and even worse it's a mashup of Hunger Games and Ender's Game.
The starting with the fingers in teh air shit, after that it bears no resemblance. Unless Hunger Games had cannibalistic rape, and GRI all in the same book?

>>13115735
>You can safely disregard anything the dino fag says.
The dino fags are you, and anyone of your ilk who reads Gormenghast and the other shit books.
You praise them just because they are old, and like to be contrary. They are utter shit.

Is this worth reading?

>>13115723
>hair is silver
>eyebrows doesn't match
I bet her carpet doesn't match the drapes either.

>>13115884
nothing released after the first edition of Lord of the Rings is worth reading

>>13115884

>>13115896
I liked it better when you were maas, masters of rome and blindsight posting

>>13115870
I mean, you actually like books that are pretty shit. Is it so hard to imagine we might as well?

>>13115870
Lol

>>13112090
>What are you currently reading?
I just finished Black Mountain, Laird Barron's new detective novel, sequel to the last one he put out. I really enjoyed it.
>Recommend horror literature that you liked.
Pretty much Laird Barron's whole 'Old Leech Cycle' that weaves together a couple novels and collections of short stories. Blood Standard was surprisingly grounded for him, but Black Mountain had the same characters starting to brush up against the fringes of his more cosmic-horror-oriented works. I loved that aspect, where it can be read as a part of this series apart from his oeuvre prior, but having that background fills otherwise inconsequential characters and locations with sinister meaning.
>Know any up and coming horror writers that we should keep an eye on?
Dunno if I'd call him 'up and coming' but I enjoyed Michael Wehunt's collection Greener Pastures, and I think he's got something new in the works.

>>13115884
I have it sitting on my bookshelf and I remember not hating it, but it's been a long while and I also don't remember feeling particularly motivated to get into the rest of the series.

>>13112762
>60 books worth of emotional buildup and character development.
It's too fucking much. Stories need to end so we can move on. Imagine having sex for four hours before coming, the pleasure isn't multiplied, I can guarantee you that you'll be sick of it after two minutes tops

>>13115916
Once we understand that we are both consumers of shit, we are good.

>>13115933
>cosmic-horror
*yawn*
>so incomprehensible that I don't have to describe it
>fish bad
>squid bad
>squint eyes and dark skin are so horrific

>>13115167
I don't like Tolkien though. A large number of people will never be in full agreement.

>>13115342
Reading comprehension.

>>13115884
>>13115884
I read the whole series. It was adequate. Some nice ideas. A bit simple in some places, but outright stupid.

>>13116109
*not too stupid outright.

>>13116066
If that's what you think cosmic horror means, you've bought into the most reddit-level depiction of the genre possible.
I'm sorry you can't form thoughts of your own, anon.

>>13114504
I don't dislike many series, and generally have no problems with bad writing - but The First Law is one of the few I've disliked start to finish. I simply hate Abercrombie and everything he writes. He strikes me as someone with too much of an ego to ever properly understand who his characters are or what they're feeling. As someone who became an author because he likes the way it makes him look, rather than because he actually has any passion or skill in it.

>>13116130
It's because I can form thoughts of my own that I'm not buying into the scary space squid meme.

>have no internet since last fucking Tuesday
>finish Battle Mage (aside from all the nodding and bowing, the prose was more than I expected from Amazontrash)
>finish Darkest Revenge (overall meh)
>get FIVE FUCKING BOOKS INTO CRADLE FUCK ALL OF YOU WHY DO I KEEP READING LITSHIT BUT NOBODY READS WHAT I READ
I actually really like this story, I am glad I have enough content to sate me for now (imagine starting this shit one or two books in), and I care more about Lindon's ascendancy than the overall story with Suriel and the Way.

>>13116271
>scary space squid meme
Is the extent of your exposure to cosmic horror a wikipedia article about the post-Derleth "cthulhu mythos"?

>>13116274
>the prose was more than I expected from Amazontrash
You already lost cosmerefag. There are good self published trash out there.

>>13114246

There's not much to cyberpunk in literature, as weird as that may sound. After you make your way through the progenitors, you'll have to make do with games and comics. I suggest Transmetropolitan, Blame! and Eden.

>>13115085

Well, we did see an attempt at reviving the genre recently. Too bad all of them sucked.

>>13116299
Also I have more to add to this.

>>13114299

Bas-Lag, Gormenghast, no third.

>>13114504
the trilogy is pretty bad and the standalones are worse

>>13116326
What do you like about Bas Lag? I've been interested in Chinas works but they seem polarizing.

>>13114346
Hey, fuck you m8
As much as one can dislike Malazan, surely you can agree it doesn't belong in the same category as Throne of Glass

>>13116374

It's weird and fun as fuck. Miéville's descriptions are vivid and his ideas are very out there so it's always a delight to see what he'll come up with next. It's definitely one of the best urban fantasy series out there. I'm still to read The Iron Council though, I'm not as interested in it because I heard it's all over the place.

Polarizing in what sense? Miéville has his ups and downs, his writing is something that suffers now and then because he doesn't have the same control over his style like the writers who influenced him and some editing would do him good, but he's pretty solid overall and his shortcomings were never something that made the whole suffer. There was a section in Perdido Street Station that made me literally cringe because of how bad it was, but it's still one of my favourite books.

People say he's difficult or confusing, and...I honestly don't see why. I'm not a native speaker and I could read him just fine. He's basically a pulp writer, with flowery prose but a pretty straight-forward narrative.

If it's about his politics, it's so mild that I don't even know why people made an issue out of that in the first place, or even highlight it when talking about him. When I heard about that I thought he was the counterpart to Terry Goodkind, but it's very predictable, like cops being assholes and the poor being oppressed. Even Snow Crash has more complex politics than Miéville. It's still pretty interesting though to see something like that in a fantasy setting, with the different roles of power between the races and etc, that's made as a crucial point to the story and not throw in just as flavour.

And then there are the people who hate him because of that Tolkien quote.

>>13116274
Thats because Lindon is the primary storyline. It’s working as intended cosmerefag.

>>13116567
this image bothers me. she is descrbed as only going up to about chest high. he looks like a manlet in this. lindon is supposed to be around 7 feet tall.

>>13114428
Ootko lukenu kirjojen suomennosta? Oliko laatu yhtä hyvä kuin alkuperäinen? Tekisi mieli lukea suomeksi jotain fantasia kirjallisuutta, mutta hyvää ei suomeksi alunperin tunnuta kirjoitettavan.

>>13116520
>Polarizing in what sense

Just that i've seen people either love or hate him. Never much inbetween. Not seen the Tolkien quote, might Google and see.

Thanks for the reply, appreciate it, think i'm going to pick the first one up and finally give him a go.

/sffg/, I just realized something: My setting has lots of weird and powerful monsters in it, and one of the things I thought about while planning my character is that his power could easily and believably be used for beast-mastering

at the same time, I'm reading Codex Alera right now because pokemon is one of my guilty pleasures, and I'm disappointed how immediately Butcher gave up on the original premise

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

>>13116635
>beast-mastering
the best way of beast taming is by sexual submission.
that also implies that all the beasts in your idea need to be monster girls.

>>13116635
Stop writing boring words and turn your setting into better pokemon games?

>>13116567
Why does that guy look like he wants to punch me. He looks so angry and mad.

>>13114346
Is Mistborn bad? Thought I had seen it recommended a lot.

>>13116680
This one apologizes

>>13116623
Itse kiinnostais lukea noi alkuperäiskielellä, mutta kirjastoista ei löydy oikein.
Miksiköhän muuten Malazan-kirjasarjaa ei ole suomennettu?

>>13116680
It's funny how people keep thinking Lindon is always angry, when he is a calm guy.

>>13116567
I know. Maybe I need better examples than Coiling Dragon and the 3% of Desolate Era I've read, then again maybe it's the Westernization and the pacing not being beyond awful.
YERIN SPIDERMODE WHEN

>>13116802
wait for uncrowned in August

>>13113411
>GRRM is a ball earther boomer
Cringe

>>13116763
Gilpa woj fillopnummen ver glut toppa? Pej derfloppen tiv ne kloot den na vilpertines. Mo glot!

>>13116726

Do you like anime?

>>13116643
No, my romhack is on hold at the moment until I can give enough of a shit to re-do all of my code for ability/elemental machines on dizzyeggg's emerald. Once that's done though I'm honestly just going to spam features rather creating a new plot and region. I have ideas for a fuckton of new moves, abilities, weathers, terrains and out-of-battle effects

>>13116943
[citation needed]

>>13112254
This is his latest thing. He posts in /wbg/ over on /tg/ regularly. According to him he is intensely dissatisfied with his work and believes it to be awful. It doesn’t seem like this is just fishing for compliments either, but he is actually extremely critical of his work.

Gimme some good shit with dragons in it.

>Lindon
More like LinLEY

>>13117268
dragonriders of pern

>>13117304
>dragonriders of pern
Which of those? Looks like it's a big series.

>>13117100
>>13112254
>>13112124
>>13112157
The fuck is this and who the fuck are you guys talking about? Is this for some kind of game?

>>13117347

/sffg/ is obsessed with an autistic map maker or something like that.

>>13116726
it's fun

and the magic system is pretty cool if you're into that.

>>13117347
there was this dude visiting. we called him birdboi.
he had scaffoldeded out a world and setting to incredibly autistic degrees. he was generally welcome here and he actually listened and welcomed criticism. until one angry dude made it his mission to chase him away completely. he first chased him out of sffg and then when birdboy found refuge on /tg/ the guy followed and chased him out of there too.

>>13117094
Strongly hinted on his blog

>>13117418
Does he post on /tg/ still? What do you mean he got chased out, the fuck happened?

>>13117444
dude got angry for no reason and took it out on birdboi. we dont know the exact mitivation but we suspect its an "aspiring author" who couldnt handle the criticism of /sffg/ got jelly that we welcomed birdboi rather than send him packing.

birdboi sometimes posts on /wbg/ on /tg/. but hes much less active than he was before.

>>13117455
Has anyone just tried to tell birdboi that it is ok to come back? I mean what's the real issue?

>>13117463
people tried. this dude will just show up and shit talk him until he leaves. check the archive. it has the entire birboi saga archived.

>>13116623
>>13116763
>>13116975
>:DDDD spek ingesh

>>13117268
Blue mage raised by dragons

>>13117317
just read the original trilogy

>>13117467
Not sure exactly what to search for. Did he say what his book was gonna be about?

>>13117504
Cool, will do.

>>13115884
Haven't read it myself but the author also wrote the Expanse books, he writes fantasy under a pseudonym.

>>13117505
Do not listen to this man. >>13117467
Obviously search for the term "birdboi" if you're really that bored.

>>13112090
>>What are you currently reading?
Catalina's Riddle.
I recently finished The Traitor Baru Cormorant and The Monster Baru Cormorant, I thought both were very good and imaginative.

>>13114324
>He didn't get the based omnibus edition

It's still not really a great cover but there's only one of them at least.

>>13116520
One thing I like about Mieville's politics is that he's enough of a true believer that he'll portray stuff that "supposed" to be bad but if you don't share his ideology it...isn't.

In Perdido Street Station for instance there was a scene where Bas-Lag's mayor (or whatever) negotiates with demons. I truly thought that it was just a neutral illustration of how the leader of a polyglot city had to be willing to work on a realist basis with unsavory "foreign" interests but apparently it was supposed to show how bad and amoral the city leadership was.

>>13118209
Sounds like the Starship Troopers film. The director tried to make a film about the evils of fascism because Verhoeven thought Heinlein was a Nazi, but he actually just made everyone think fascism was cool as fuck.

>>13118380
Galaxy brain: the Starship Troopers film is actually a propaganda film from the book.

>>13118181
Cringe

>>13118407
I always liked that theory, but the simple fact is Verhoeven has always been kind of a double digit IQ savant, he sometimes just bumbles his way to making an excellent film despite completely misinterpreting everything about the source material or script.
Starship Troopers being an in-universe propaganda piece based off the events of the book is a cool idea though.

>>13118181
>not waiting for the library of america editions

I just got done reading The Name Of The Rose and found it very entertaining and would suggest it as a easy read to anybody looking to tackle more "literary" works.

I am beginning to feel that historical fiction is effectively fantasy or science fiction. People in the past thought differently from modern man and had different beliefs and values and so on. For the modern reader the Aubrey-Maturin series might as well be on a space ship and the various devices of the age of sail might as well be technobabble gadgets.

Just finished Use of Weapons and I love the plot structure.
Are there any other SFF books worth reading that have two connected stories running in the opposite direction of each other?

i'm legitmately curious here sffg - if you had to recommend a series to someone you knew was a lefty sj type, and were trying to give them a good recommendation, what would you pick?

whats a cool book where everyone has fun nicknames/titles
like in jade empire (chinese mythology) characters have names like kang the mad, smiling mountain, master radiant, lucky cho and shit like that

>>13118755
Culture books are basically the logical endpoint of Communism.

>>13116299
>Demons of Astlan
there's so much that shit about it, yet I enjoy it
>All Systems Red
is it really self-published? I like it, along with some of her other work, like City of Bones
>Bobiverse
not versed in science, but I enoyed it

How about some sci-fantasy that is more fantasy-leaning?

>>13118815
like Bark Borence?

>>13112103
Why?

Sanderson is not Grimdark.

Sanderson regularly produces work.

Why this constant hate for him?

>>13116299
How's Trysmoon?

>>13115492
>commie propanganda

Are there some books in the tone of Ghibli movies, meaning small scope and non-grimdark; maybe a little bit bitter-sweet?

What is a book like dark souls 2 lore ?

>>13115492
>>13115557
How do I write something with a young adult protagonist without it being pigeonholed as YA?

>>13118907
Don't mention the character's age.

>>13118912
What if their age is relevant and a source of several plots within the story? I'm sure I can make it realistic and "dark" (for lack of a better term) enough to not be compared to a lot of YA stuff, but I don't want people reading a synopsis and writing it off.

>>13118941
If that's the case then you just need to deal with the fact that you're writing YA.

>>13118941
>>13118907
It's literally just in marketing. There's no reason half of Sanderson's shit isn't marked YA, for instance, beyond the fact that his publishers didn't want it seen that way.

Is there a book with a story similar to Berserk's Lost Children arc?
In other words, apparently cute faeries that are actually monsters.

>>13118989
Literally all of the stories featuring faeries with a target demographic over 8 years old, including all of the original fables.

>>13118996
That can't be right, can it?
Admittedly, the only thing that I've read that comes to mind is Lyonesse, and they WERE cunts in that...

>>13118773
Legend of the Condor Heroes.

>>13119000
Literally the entire reason they were referred to as the "fair folk" is because they were spiteful cunts who would eat your children if you offended them.
If you're willing to put up with books related to a Tabletop series, you could try the Changeling:, Werewolf:, and Mage: books from the World of Darkness setting. True Fae are the among top dogs of that setting.

>>13118941
There's nothing inherently wrong with YA... A lot of the best sci-fi and fantasy classics of all time can comfortably be called YA fiction. We just like to shit on it here so that we have something to feel superior to.

>>13119014
Thanks for the suggestions m8, I'll check those out.

>>13114504
It’s good don’t listen to the contrarian faggots who replied before me

>>13115492
I couldn’t make it halfway through the first book.

>>13118824
It's one obsessed anon. He puts it at the top, and when newfags come here they think the entire general has a hate boner for Sanderson. We just ignore that anon, you should too.

>>13118828
If you look far and wide for the Mc taking a milf and fucking them, this book is for you.

>>13118840
>>>/pol/

What is the /sffg/ equivalent of Full Metal Daemon Muramasa? Plot summary:
>A Tsurugi is a living soul forged into a set of armor. They are among the most powerful weapons the world has to offer. All those who don them are known as Musha - warriors who are thus granted the power to soar the skies and wield blades that can rend even steel.
>Within the island nation of Yamato, governed by the Rokuhara Shogunate, rumors of a Musha clad in silver armor, only known as The Silver Star, are afloat: a ruthless silver tyrant that leaves nothing but destruction in its wake, massacring everything in its path without distinction.
>Unknown to the public eye, there exists only one Musha who would stand against the silver demon. A lone man, donning the crimson Tsurugi known as Muramasa, chases after his long-time nemesis, the Silver Star, cutting down both serial killers and agents of the Shogunate that stand in his way.
>However, his blade is not driven by the wrath of justice, nor will he ever label himself a hero. For his Tsurugi is none other than the crimson demon that brought hell upon the land of Yamato in ages past - the accursed armor known as Seishuusengou Uemon-no-jou Muramasa.
>"This is not a story of heroes. Those who would aspire to be such have no place here."
OP movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1BlbTjDUV8

>>13118972
Just because a work is easily digestible doesn't mean it's YA. Sanderson has YA that he is writing, like that reckoners and sky warder / whatever his last shit was.

>>13119051
Speak for yourself. YA is shit that focuses more on the romance than the story. They also like to add a love triangle every time. There is also the habit that a single gril can overthrow an entire empire by herself with no help. Nothing bad happens to the protagonist, no rape, no limbs being chopped off, no torture, no beatings, their parents or remaining family aren't caught and tortured in their place, etc. Then there is the black and white morals, there is no GRI, our protagonist can be living on the streets and she never gets raped by the local gang, so when she meets Prince charming she is "pure" for him.

>>13119367
>is a living soul forged into a set of armor.
So full metal alchemists?
What about sentient bleeding edge iron man armor? Night Angel Trilogy.

only Neal Stephenson book I've read is Anathem, which I picked up on a whim. how are his other books, anons?

>>13119389
>recommending a Brent Weeks book

Can someone advise me a book that would capture Dead Space/Pandorum's feel?

>>13119389
If it helps here's a short review that gives some more about what the game is about (themes, etc.). It's extremely exaggerated though so read this with a large grain of salt.
https://vnreviews.blog/2015/02/12/full-metal-daemon-muramasa/
I have an inkling that the closest thing would be some kind of grimdark series, but the few of those I've looked into didn't interest me very much.
>What about sentient bleeding edge iron man armor? Night Angel Trilogy.
That does sound interesting at least. I'll look into it.

>>13114504
I enjoyed the first two but by the third he jumped a dick in a harsh way. Now that I think about it every major character save for Glokta went through subversion that retrospectively made little to no sense. I'm all up for showing that thoughts, words and actions of humans don't necessarily match up but in good works character's inner truth emerges despite their conscious will but in works such the first law it's just blunt "people never change" and shit like that with little to no justification for it.

>>13119462
Dude what if the old wizard was actually evil
Dude what if the secret prince was just a blubbering coward
And so on and so forth
Directed by Rian Johnson

>>13117406
The magic system is a little off for me, but I do love the premise of how the original antagonist was made. Haven't started the third book yet though.

I've got another question regarding a book equivalent to a VN, in this case Albatross Koukairoku (or Albatross Log as I've seen it translated). It's basically a fantasy seafaring story about a ship full of eccentric characters. It's also notorious for having extremely complicated and difficult prose (pic related is a single sentence).
>Aboard the Albatross is an odd captain and an equally crazy crew. With no map in hand, they sail to unknown islands, meet ghost ships and cross paths with giant monster fish. No one knows where they are heading… including the captain. But they still all stay together since there’s no other place for them.
It has a very nice opening song. If you take a look at the video it should give a good idea of the tone of the work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5uZZimx6PM
Anything similar to this at all?

>>13119379
>YA is shit that focuses more on the romance than the story. They also like to add a love triangle every time. There is also the habit that a single gril can overthrow an entire empire by herself with no help. Nothing bad happens to the protagonist, no rape, no limbs being chopped off, no torture, no beatings, their parents or remaining family aren't caught and tortured in their place, etc. Then there is the black and white morals, there is no GRI, our protagonist can be living on the streets and she never gets raped by the local gang, so when she meets Prince charming she is "pure" for him.
By the end of your screed you've stopped discussing a genre and started criticising maybe three or four popular entries into a genre (and their unpopular imitators.) Even the bits you're angry about seem to have more in common with New Adult than YA. Young Adult is just a sci-fi/fantasy bildungsroman, anything else you're mad about is window dressing, and not typical to the genre as a whole.

The infestation has reached critical levels.

>>13119478
in theory i don't mind these if only
the old wizard wasn't on the brink of death time and time again and didn't waste so much time on condemning human eaters when he himself employed them.
the prince didn't periodically forget about wizard's godlike powers;
the big bad warrior didn't decide to return and actually rule the kingdom just because;
the black(?) crazyfu didn't outright ignore the big bad warrior for no reason.
the wizard's ex didn't sit and listen to the most insane lies he came up with about her to make himself look good.

The character dynamics themselves were often interesting but a lot of core decisions were internally inconsistent for characters.

>>13119543
>the black(?) crazyfu didn't outright ignore the big bad warrior for no reason.
Are you talking about "the fucken pinks" gril? I told you she's asian.

why do standalone novels tend to be much better than series?

>>13119503
>With no map in hand, they sail to unknown islands, meet ghost ships and cross paths with giant monster fish. No one knows where they are heading… including the captain. But they still all stay together since there’s no other place for them.
So basically just a grow adventuring on the seas? I will have to look through my pile, but I think I read something like this.

>>13119538
Use this image too.

>>13118845
As I'm sure you're aware many of their movies are adaptions based on books, including Kiki's Delivery Service, Howl's Moving Castle, Tales from Earthsea and When Marnie Was There. Personally I think that Howl's Moving Castle, the book, is better than the film.

>>13119805
>ghibili made an animoo based off of Earthsea
news to me

>>13119782
Thanks. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>>13119811
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_Earthsea_(film)

>>13119777
Because a story is only good if it ends.

>read game of thrones again for the second time
>paying attention to backgrounds characters like Beric and Thoros more
>paying attention to tower of joy, Ashara Dayne more
>those fucking feels when Syrio defends Arya's escape.

Anyone really familiar with 'Le Morte Darthur'? Wondering what version to get, Malorys or one of the retellings?

>>13119777
can I get the QRD on this novel?

>>13120089
>evil wizard de jure ruled over a city-state from his fortress, and forced the worship of his bloody god on the people
>zealous manlets attacked his city in the name of their Old Testament-tier jealous god, and someone penetrated his fortess and killed him and sealed up the fort
>also, a traitor let the enemy in and their nomad allies switched sides
>yay, we're free from the evil wizard! shame we got a bit sacked
>now, the monotheistic manlets have forced their religion on the people, who have reverted to the worship of a nicer god in the same pantheon as the evil god
>this pisses people off
.the nomads are treated somewhat better than the natives by the conquerers
>this pisses people off more
>some people want independence, and this shit isn't helping
>the wizard's waifu (and sort of apprentice) is around, and she's not happy with the manlets either
>at least when the evil wizard was around we were ruled by one of our own back then
that''s your starting point
lots of PoVs from different factions, a good amount of plotting, and it doesn't overstay his welcome
(idk if this is the sort of thing you put in a quick run down)

>>13119811
Not Miyazaki though and it shows.

>>13120282
thank you anon. added to TBR.

>>13116978
I do like anime.
>>13117406
I also like fun and cool magic systems.

Thanks añons, I'll read it.

>I do like anime
faggot

>>13120356
sff = anime

>>13120370
worng

get a load of this retard. anime is for faggots as I said

So where to after I finish Chapterhouse: Dune?

>>13120510
Dossadi Experiment or White Plague

I love Ciri, I love Arya Stark.
What else is there with emotional punchbag daughterfus who are forced by circumstance into becoming death itself?

arya stark is fugly LOL

Are there any other series that had a Blood Song-Tower Lord quality drop?

>>13120529
>>13120440
>>13120356
dont you have to go back to algebra class anon?

>>13119777
First Black Company novel was also notably better because it was essentially self-contained with an open "what could happen in 23 years?" ending.

>>13119538
>using this picture literally anywhere in 4chan

>>13119538
>come to weeb website
>complain about weebs

I think it's fair to say that Sanderson is responsible for the weeb invasion.

>~20% of Ghostwater left
I hope the finale is as ballin' as it is building up to be. Lindon fucking up that dragon bitch was lulzy, I hope the rest of the series is Lindon swinging his big fat Blackflame dick around.

>>13121346
>that dragon rage when they realize they got btfo by BLACKED dragons again

Laughed my ass off. Also the end of ghostwater was bretty gud imo.

>>13118181
Japan had the deathnote-guy do this

What other pen names does E William Brown have?

>>13121338
But Sanderson was here before you even entered the general.
If you are right, then the general was always weeb, because Sanderson was here since day one as was I

>>13121409
EVEN ACROSS HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND DEATH, BLACK DRAGONS STILL FUCK THE GOLDS UP
lawl at Northstrider leaving Harmony to ROT

>>13121770
>lawl at Northstrider leaving Harmony to ROT
that was the funniest shit. now the guy who left him there originally is gonna cozy up to his family.

>>13119805
As far as I'm aware none of the films are anything like the books they're "adapted" from.

>>13121770
>>13121834
Harmony deserved it for what he did to renfei and mercy's description of harmony in underlord made him seem like a butthurt fag. The sage is the only one that seemed a little sad

>>13119805
>Tales from Earthsea
Would someone who has not read any of the other Earthsea books enjoy this?
I am interested in Earthsea but honestly, I just don't want to start reading a series right now, I still have a lot of book series in my backlog.

>>13120282
>angry manlets are the villains
aren't they always?

>>13121464
That looks like shit. The japs usually have better covers.

>>13121918
Someone who have not read the books would probably enjoy it more.

>>13121938
Is that right?
I'll get me a copy then, it's pretty cheap for the amount of pages it has.

>>13121464
Severian looks like a Castlevania character on these covers.kinda based

>>13122002
Well, the same dude made the artwork for Castlevania Judgement.
I still have not gotten over how his Maria re-redesign has a FUCKING OWL trapped in her staff.

>>13120334
technically, it WAS Miyazaki.

Goro Miyazaki anyway

>>13122026
>FUCKING OWL trapped in her staff.
avian discharge as magical projectiles is a potent weapon.

>>13121984
What are you talking about?

Tales From Earthsea is both the name of the film and also the 5th book

That said, the story's aren't the same, only the name

>>13122058
>also the 5th book
Yeah, I just noticed that.
But I mean, even if it is the 5th book, it's technically a collection of short stories, isn't it? As in, you don't have to read the previous 4 books to understand it?

>>13112636
i read it when i was like 12 and cant remember anything anymore

>>13121464
those are not the short sun though

>>13121860
She seemed sad because he was "family" and had to send a message. She stopped to think when she heard that he was planning to genocide Lindon's village if Lindon saved him, and that it was the turtle that trapped him.

>>13122098
Well some are linked to the general story from the previous novels and it's better if you are already aware of what's going on with the main character.

If i was you I'd read the 1st one and see if you like it. It's not long, none of them are, and they are really easy reads.

>>13122098
I've only read the first book in the series, but it was pretty much in one sitting on this past new year's eve; it was a really nice book and a pretty quick read. Can't speak for any of the others, but if I was you I wouldn't feel bad about sneaking it into your backlog.

>>13119777
With a standalone the author actually think about how it all ends, with series he can just try to figure it out when he writes the final part if it ever even comes out

>>13122026
>made the artwork for Castlevania Judgement
That's why it was familiar,he draws Severian similar to Simon

>>13122154
all his characters look the same

>>13115167
Thomas Covenant

I’m looking for recommendations for spooky sci fi exploration stuff - abandoned space stations, outposts, that sort of thing.

Will even take a team of explorers getting picked off one by one in any vaguely sci fi setting

Hello, am Birdboi. I would like to clear up some misconceptions from this thread.

The reason I do not post does not have to do with hostility, as posting on 4chan at all should ingrain one with a certain expectation of hostility. I do not post simply because what would be the purpose to posting? I receive feedback on my map making through more map making dedicated communities. I would do the same with my writing, but do not simply because I both believe my writing to be categorically awful and because in the future my writing is what I wish to attempt to monetize. I keep my writing to smaller communities to receive feedback while working on the craft of writing, which I believe to be more conducive for improvement than posting in the ether of the internet. As well I do not want to spread my writing too far as I fear it simply becoming nonpunishable due to being littered across freely available public forums.

I think it is best that the thread drops its obsession with me. I am one of many hopeful writers to populate this image board. I am in no way special and am likely far worse than many. If people truly wish to contact me then some other service would be best rather than throwing speculation about me into the ether. I can simply provide such an online handle to communicate with me through if anyone is truly intrigued.

Thank you. I apologize for posting something off topic and I hope you all will forgive me.

>>13122271
oh dear

So how is the BOLOS series, /sffg/? I’ve heard the eponymous BOLOS are batshit insane, and I love over the top technological monstrosities.

>>13122571
im pretty sure you aint our boi

>>13122571

Anything else like Lems, Tales of Prix the Pilot?

>>13118209

...LMAO, really? I just thought the scene of the demon negotations was some wacky idea Miéville had, and to show just how terrible the moths and the Weaver were. I thought it was kinda silly but cool at the same time. Never thought it had some actual intent behind it.

Well, I guess he stays true to what he said about how you can read his books either with a political mindset or just a cool book about monsters.

>>13121918
I watched it before I read the books, and I think I'm the only person on the planet that likes the film, like a lot. I think it's better than a least a third of Miyazaki's films.

>want to start Underlord
>also want to hold off as long as I can
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>13122571
Kill yourself, you're not supposed to be here.

>>13122878
you should do it first

>>13122946
No, seriously fuck off. Why should I tolerate writefags in my fucking thread? Especially faggots like that?

>>13122870
Just read it. Uncrowned in August maybe so you won’t have to wait too long, hopefully.

>>13123003
This aint your thread guy.

>>13123034
It's as much my thread as anyone else's and I don't want the faggot polluting it with his bullshit.

>>13123037
so you dont own it? and its a communal space? if you know these things why are you crying about it? Im sure there is some safe space for you to go if you dont want to read one post one person wrote.

>>13123003
>>13123037
Hide posts and stop this tantrum you colossal faggot, goddamn.

>>13123066
>>13123083
Seriously, both of you fucking kys for being birdboi loving faggots.

>>13123127
no u

>>13123158
Fuck off. I'm fucking tired of people jacking off writefags.

>responding to it

>>13123022
Okay fine you convinced me. I won't read it as quickly since my internet got fixed and I can throw some Coiling Dragon in between to extend it. I need to finish the volume I'm on anyway.

>>13123179
>Fuck off. I'm fucking tired of people jacking off writefags.
That is what you are doing right now. you are just jacking it to hate and not admiration.

>>13123127
I literally have no idea who this guy is, I'm just not some insane faggot who loses his shit when people post things they don't like.

Children
pls
I have begun my second read through of Malazan. That is all.

>>13123237
One day I will begin Malazan.

Is it as good as they say?

>>13123237
nice. I finished malazan a few months ago. you should comeback and report how the first book holds up on a re-read.

>>13123251
i loved it. its not perfect, but it is a great read

>>13121464
>He's a BotNS-only plebian
nigga we on the SHORT SUN now.

>>13122651
I don't remember exactly where it was, but at some point afterwards the incident was referred to in a way that I thought made it clear if only implicitly that the author thought the whole thing was immoral somehow. I couldn't be more specific, and it's possible I'm misremembering.

>>13123251
don't expect answers in the last book

>>13123251
No, but I like it anyway.
>>13123260
Actually I'm halfway through book two. I started last week.
Right now I'm noticing a lack of emotional intensity. First time things put me through the wringer. The first book was a lot easier to follow this time of course. I didn't get frustrated not being able to find locations on the map, kek (if there's multiple continents then give me multiple maps ree). It felt more like a normal fantasy story since I could keep track of events. Knowing the history already was nice. No aha moments, but constant thinking back to details I remembered that only get explained later.

>>13123292
Do the Esslemont books have closure?

>tfw no cute, immortal, star-worshiping elf waifu
Why even live on?

>>13122878
why does this make you so mad?

>>13123437
To continue reading fantasy books about cute, immortal, star-worshiping elves and dreaming about living in their world while you sleep.

>>13123460
What would be a good follow up to this book?
I don't expect many other books to capture the same feeling and magic, but, you know, something somewhat similar thematically.

>>13123449
Writefags need to be burned.

>>13123485
>t. A writefag who tried, failed, and has become bitter about it

How are the next two books in the Sprawl cycle compared to Neuromancer?

Where else do sffg writefags go? Posting in outer-lit critique threads is pointless, since the only feedback they’ll get is hatred and belittlement of the genre. As long as egotists aren’t monopolising the thread, I think it’s fine if they post the occasional update here.

>>13123515
Middling to average. Gibson never quite manages to get the same energy a second time.

>>13123527
>Middling to average
Aren't those the same thing?

>>13123521
Don't care about your problems

>>13122878
>>13123003
>>13123037
>>13123127
>>13123485
You guys told me he was autistically angry, but god damn.

>>13123521
unironically writers forums.
avoid reddit. they will tell you what you want to hear. and /lit/ is a bitter old guy who cant let go of past conventions.
avoid both places like the plague. the KU writers forums are actually a good place.
alternatively you can set up a web serial on any of the usual places like royaload, fanfiction.net or fictionpress and take feedback from the comments.

>>13123548
told you hes basically >>13123505

Birdboi here am yes write.

I do not know what is wanted from me. This thread confuses me as does reactions of both the people who are in favor and against me. I am unsure. I am conflicted. Please advise.

>>13123576
Both sides are played up by bored anons for their own amusement. Ignore them. Post if you want. Do not post if you don't want.
Be free birdboi.

>>13123589
I have never been free.

>>13123593
In my thoughts you will always fly free :3

Has it been confirmed that the rest of the ASOIAF books (if they ever happen) will follow the same progression as the show? I haven't watched the show but I'm wondering whether to read through what's currently out in written form. I know quite a few things that happen in S8 through other people and it sounds like the series went to shit midway through.

>>13123652
No. Only that the ending might be similar. The show killed off multiple characters who are/were still alive in the books, as well as pruning entire storylines

>>13123614
I suppose. I shall post it then.

This is some basic stuff that isn't writing. A link to maps and a link to a spreadsheet:
>https://imgur.com/a/jQh9JP4
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nsgLxzZrBz7WAFwWKTU73toEBb-XVbhAuqO6VQ8_Hcs/edit?usp=sharing

I'm trying to remember the name of a book I started years ago but never finished. I literally read it up for about 15 minutes before I had to leave.

All I can remember:
>Fantasy
>3 main characters?
>All 3 are very competent veterans but are getting older now
>1 was very strong, 1 is a deadly killer, 1 was a master archer(?)
>since their glory days are behind them they may be getting replaced with new younger soldiers
>some kind of assassination plot?

Any ideas?

>>13123652
George has stated that the show will not influence his writing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2p66j_pXA

>>13114504
I enjoyed the First Law quite a bit. Also enjoyed Red Country but it wasn't amazing.

The Shattered Sea trilogy is very much YA fantasy. Not bad but not great either.

>>13123717
Winter Warriors by David Gemmell?

>>13123761
Maybe? I didn't think it was part of a series but reading the synopsis makes it sound quite familiar.

Any solid fantasy out in 2019 yet? I've been busy with work and haven't had much free time.

>>13123805
Quest For Lost Heroes?

Thread slave.
Make the new thread about salty coins and milk

>>13112090
What's a happy, optimistic sci-fi or fantasy story without any stress?

>>13123437
elves are for genocide

>>13123934
That picture was taken at the perfect time.

>>13123805
Most books of the Drenai cycle are standalone,it is mostly a setting than an actual series

DEGENERATES STAY OUT

>>13123969
>>13123969
>>13123969
>>13123969
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>>13121464
What is that glowy thing on his chest?
What's with all the bandage, I guess Severian do get hurt a lot?

In Urth: Is that supposed to be in his stateroom? Is that his formal Autarch regalia or a space-suit?

>>13115870
LOOKS LIKE [FOSSILS] ARE BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!

>>13119811
dont talk about the earthsea adaptation, it's actually pretty rancid