/lit/ - Literature

mark fisher

>>13116027
His own conclusions desu

>>13116027
there is no good oppostion to Moldbug as Carlyle+Darwin but Moldbug's own political system is so stupid as to obviate the need for response. Just apply his own ideas to it and it falls apart.

Probably not much because people don't know about him or take him as a big enough player to respond.

I also have no idea how a probably reasonably intelligent man can believe patchwork would en up much different than what we currently have. Patches won't leave each other alone and people won't find more meaning in a capitalist system either.

>>13116052
Sorry but to me it doesn't seem so stupid, so could you elaborate. How does it fall apart?

>>13116027
Sam Francis and Paul Gottfried were there before and you can actually read them without physically cringing most of the time. His bro Peter Thiel is genuinely more interesting as a nrx political thinker

>>13116102
'sovereingty is conserved'.
1)There has to be a power that lets patchwork remain patchwork and not increasingly large empire of assimilated patchworks. Patchwork is just supranational libertarianism.
2)The CEO is beholden to shareholders meaning he is not a classical rightist figure of authority, and is effectively being ruled by a committee, the exact thing Moldbug hates. The motive of the comittee won't just be profit maximizng because profit maximizing will not necessarily lead to good governance, the citizens may choose to leave for a patchwork with less extremist values, so there is no absolute metric but an ambiguous course of action, which is exactly when you want one person, not a group, to be making decisions, per Moldbug's own logic. Moldbug mentions over and over that libertarian capitalism only worked under Monarchs, so his decision to supplant monarchy with the subsystem makes very little sense.

The entire thing is just an unstable and unlikely configuration, not even getting into stuff like his guns which are locked by remote control.

>>13116027
It is not a thing that can exist. He is perfect. Accelerate.

>>13116027
I don't see why "responsible" government is necessarily synonymous with the overriding obsession with "efficiency" that motivates the transformation of political democracy into a joint stock corporation. Cut down the administrative state enough and eventually you're just carving a gaping hole into the civic and social institutions that bound a political community together. The kind of responsible government I envision is one that takes its role as a paternalistic guardian seriously; a government that seeks to facilitate an organic state whose purpose is to encourage human flourishing.

I think the problem with neocameralism, as with most ideologies, is that its diagnosis of contemporary government's ills is on point, but its prescription is sorely lacking. The problem is not with the administrative state per se, but the class interests that occupy it. Funnily enough Moldbug recognizes that the progressive professional-managerial class has taken control, but sees them as synonymous with the bureaucracy itself. Also cryptographic weaponry is a little silly

>>13116144
Francis and Gottfried may agree with Yarvin on (some) of the problem, but their solutions differ radically.

Corporations are outrageously unstable, why would this be a good model of governance?

Moldbug is jewish

>>13117074
OP blown the FUCK out. Thread over, people, jannies please lock.

>>13117030
Because it would encourage more competition.

>>13117083
This but unironically

His life, his face, the way he speaks and writes, his theses, his conclusions, his spergness.

>>13117115
Have you thought about what corporate dynamics among states would actually looks like? Y’all are Jacobin levels of delusional.

Well I started reading him and put him away about 4 articles in. Why? Because he said in his Formalist manifesto that the purpose or goal should be the absence of violence.

I essentially don't care about stopping violence, so all of his work henceforth is useless to me

>>13117192
found the quote
>The basic idea of formalism is just that the main problem in human affairs is violence. The goal is to design a way for humans to interact, on a planet of remarkably limited size, without violence

Yes, but what if we want violence?

All you need to do is look at his lack of a chin

>>13117115
So you welcome instability?

Scott Alexander's antireactionary FAQ.

>>13118041
Was btfo and in fact admits it in the intro. Go read it now. SA is an awful SWPL prog who constantly runs up against the contradictions of his worldview yet stubbornly refuses to face them for fear of losing his audience.

>>13116042
based

Is it true Land just snapped mentally and that's why he's NRx now? What does accelerationism have to do with anti-enlightment thought? Isn't it literally the opposite?

>>13116052
What to make of Carlyle's influence on the arts and crafts movement and utopian socialists such as william morris? Is neoreaction just another front for the fabian society?

>>13116027
it sounds good on paper but it could never work, people are naturally too egalitarian

>>13119493
its just an epic piece of ironic performance art he's still a marxist don't worry

>>13119493
Horseshoe theory... woah

>>13119493
Moldnig is pro-enlightenment and a socialist.

>>13119553
This is literally a lie.

>>13116027
I haven't read any of his positive works but it's just more utopian scheming, reality is just too weird too be reduced too such mundane procedural issues... all philosophy, from its birth, has prostituted itself too power by developing the political state mystifying actual human activity which materializes products which are developing their own autonomous logic

>>13116228
>and is effectively being ruled by a committee, the exact thing Moldbug hates
Moldbug doesn't hate explicit committees with responsibility, he hates implicit committees because they have power of decision with no responsibility or correctives when things go wrong

>>13119638
The entire development of corporate law has been to make shareholders their unquestioned owners and responsible when good things happen and totally not in control and not responsible when bad things happen. The corporate system isn't responsible, it's a big mess.

>>13119493
Moldbug is a useful idiot to Land.

>>13118709
he's a professional edgelord who is always hinting at the n word but never quite dropping it. but aren't we all? that's what writing in the 21st century is all about.

>>13118709
>SWPL


Is that the new SJW ? What does it mean ?

>>13119622
Based and processpilled.

>>13119687
More like protege

>>13119758
They never interacted as far as we know.

>>13119684
not a lolbertarian so not going to defend corporations, but in this case "bad things happen" means the shareholders getting screwed, and the responsible party would be the CEO who would have to take responsibility for it

>>13119687
I though moldbug and peter thiel were homosexual lovers. Remember Justine Tunney, black hat hacker, google employee. human meme and ex occupy wall street turned nrx tranny? there is something about computer programming that just breeds autism and faggotry.

>>13119787
well, it's called *trans*humanism for a reason

land is a commie driven mad with hate and wants humanity to end asap, moldbug is a pseudy lolbertarian on steroids, they're nothing alike

>>13119819
>pseud
>PhD at 18
>pseud

>>13117201
then come see me outside the north quincy t station any weekday at 6:30
little bitch

>>13119829
>having a degree makes on an intellectual
don't you have homework to do?

>>13119918
*one FUCK

>>13119787
>Remember Justine Tunney
lol she got fat

>>13119931
nothing of value was lost anyways, if youare going to be a tranny you might as well as make yourself as disgusting as humanly possible

>>13119787
as someone who has been in the far right for years, I can confirm it has been effectively hijacked by the homosexual

>>13119939
why? dont get me wrong transitioning is fucked but if youre at that point youre already so fucked up that there's no way you live a decent life as a man so might as well shoot your shot as a woman.

You need to separate his meta-system of patchwork from his preferred management of a state as a kind of Join-Stock Republic Pseudo Monarchy. His concept of patchwork is popular beyond the far right and libertarian crowd and is not really a radical structural departure from the patchwork of nation-states that already exist.

>>13119972
even Nick Land has admitted many times that having 20-30% of the countries being commies at all times would be a good idea, just to be shown as a bad example so the rest of the world doesn't get crazy ideas

>>13119779
Huh? Shareholders aren't held fully liable for the damages the corporation may cause (even if the shares become worthless) and the CEO generally parachutes away safely. When you fuck up in a dictatorship you generally get shot. The corporate form is characterized by an extreme liberal attitude towards responsibility. Since you can do a lot of really bad things and get off easily you have lots of risk taking which leads to innovations and ruins lives.

bump

>>13120571
Gud poast.

Moldbug was amazingly right about the Cathedral. The more I get involved in NGOs and 'elite recruitment pool' types of organizations, the more I see that what he described is also implicitly understood by the smarter elements within the system. It's like I solved a part of the puzzle, feels great 2bh.

>>13118017
which part of A C C E L E R A T E you don't understand?

>>13121749
she's so pale, haha

>>13119887
Unlike a yank I drive a truck

>>13121825
Face ruins it honestly and this is coming from a guy who likes pale women.

>>13119737
I think it means Stuff White People Like.