/lit/ - Literature

You can't. Every edition of Mein Kampf has been censored and adjusted so they do not reveal the spiritual beliefs and aspects of Nazism and Thule.

>>13109688
That's lame

>>13109679
I believe a publisher called Elite Minds Inc. released an uncensored translation by Michael Ford, I've heard it's very accurate. You can find it on Amazon.

>>13109791
This is the only edition that I have ever read. It seemed solid from my limited perspective. He gives a few explanations regarding the translation. Anyways, I'll give the same advice here that I always do - anyone that thinks that they should avoid this book should read the last five pages. His view regarding racism will likely make one reconsider what one has heard about the contents.

>>13109679
The Stalag edition is the only English translation approved by the Third Reich. You can buy it off Amazon. It has a plain white cover so people will not give you funny looks were you to read it outside.

>>13110308
Eventually, we need to quit worrying about funny looks.

>>13109679
Fascist - https://mega.co.nz/#F!cZoSEbpC!kdnYuLw3hvYSus9uZl6PRQ

i believe the stalag edition among others can be found here.

>>13109679
The version in OP says unabridged on the cover, so why not this one. You'll have to wrap it in paper though if you want to read outside the solitude of your home.

>>13109688
>>13109726
Nope. Stalag edition is the official Nazi translation of Mein Kampf. With any other edition you're taking a chance in reading Jewish propaganda.

God I hate pol fucks so goddamn much

>>13110634
this isn't just your average everyday ordinary /pol/tardation
this is ADVANCED gnostic perennialist-Traditionalist-esoteric-mysticist-Theosophist /pol/tardation

>>13110634
>only people on /pol/ would want to read mein kampf and discuss it
You're unironically worse than /pol/.

>>13110670
don't try and act like this thread is for purely academic purposes when a few posts above people are talking about which translations are free from Jewish tampering and convey the true "spiritual beliefs and aspects of Thule"

>>13110670
who are you quoting?

>>13110686
>greentext is only for quoting
sperg newfag

>>13110696
lol hi redd*t!

>>13110680
Well it's not going to be an academic thread with that attitude

>>13110701
(you)

>>13110712
yeah not with nazis crawling all over the place!

I'm curious, what do abridged translations leave out? How do abridging translators justify their decisions? What do they say about it?

>>13110763
The only complete, unabridged, and officially authorised English translation ever issued by the Nazi party. Not to be confused with any other version.
Translated by a now-unknown English-speaking Nazi party member & printed by the Franz Eher Verlag in Berlin in limited numbers during the years 1937–44.
Most were distributed to the camp libraries of English-speaking POW camps, and became known as the “Stalag” editions because of the camp library rubber stamp on the title page.
Only a handful of copies survived, and the text contained in this edition has been taken directly from one of these extremely rare editions.
This official translation is not to be confused with the “James Murphy” or “Ralph Mannheim” translations, both of which were edited, abridged and ultimately unauthorised.
The Murphy and Mannheim editions both left out major sections of text, and contained long, clunky, badly-translated and almost unintelligibly long sentences.
Most importantly, this only authorised edition contains the full text of the original German—and none of the deliberately-inserted racial pejoratives used in the Murphy and Mannheim versions (words which Hitler never actually used in the original).
Contrary to postwar propaganda, Mein Kampf does not contain a “plan for world domination” and instead consists of a short autobiography, the effect of the First World War upon Germany, a discussion of race and the Jewish Question, the constitutional and social make-up of a future German state, and the early struggles of the NSDAP up to 1923.

>>13110793
ya it's also exceedingly retarded

>>13110815
You obviously haven't read it so why even post

>>13110823
yes iI have, he didn't even write it, it's pretty objectively bad.

>>13110815
very academic indeed /s

>>13110833
for a Nazi I suppose...

>>13110831
You're clearly some midwit who has never even read the abridged version of mein kampf and just wants to attack le nazis, let alone having tracked down this obscure original translation he's talking about.

>>13110843
>dude you just don't understand the Nazis!

lmao

>>13110852
I almost suspect people like you are nazis falseflagging to make their detractors look bad

>>13110856
lord knows they need it

>>13110856
Imagine being this paranoid.
Also, fuck nazis and FUCK WHITE PEOPLE. #bernie2020

read the manga adaptation, Waga Tousou

>>13110680
>Jewish tampering
That's a real phenomenon, though. Mein Kampf is never given in its simple form, to see it in a scholarly and simple light. It's often published with regular notes on why Nazism is bad, etc., and often the people invited to do so are Jewish (doesn't that look good on the publisher of Mein Kampf?). Look at its Amazon official review.
>Beyond the anger, hatred, bigotry, and self-aggrandizing, Mein Kampf is saddled with tortured prose, meandering narrative, and tangled metaphors
That's giving the reader their opinion on the work for them, and never appropriate for scholarly or objective discussion, for someone truly interested in the history of the actual motivation of the Nazis. Who in history truly believed themselves to be motivated by devotion to evil and ignorance, in of themselves? Probably nobody.

>>13111024
>often the people invited to do so are Jewish

woah why is that?

>>13111024
>Who in history
Evangelicals

>>13111024
I bet you unironically enjoy the works of Wes Anderson

>>13111054
jewish privilege

>>13109688
You can get Miguel Serrano’s edition in Spanish. They were printed in Colombia and are probably the best edition available.

>>13110603
>You'll have to wrap it in paper
I am an oldfag. We used to have a special prep day at the beginning of school every year. One of the things we used to do was make book covers for all of our books out of paper grocery bags.

>>13110634
Not an argument.

Get the Stalag translation and use a cover from a similar sized book.

>>13110701
If you want to see greentexting in its highest form then go to /k/ and find an innawoods thread. They have made it an artform.

>>13111975
I mean jesus christ, they're using it to write fantasy novels.

The only ones with that level of dedication are the horse fuckers, but we don't discuss them.

>>13109679
Ford Translation.

>>13110763
I believe, due to the contentious nature of the text, that it should be left unabridged. That having been said, the totality of the text is actually a series of speeches in written form, each being tailored for specific audiences. Due to this construction, many people find the repetition weary. You need to read the entire collection to get the full text because not every one of the speeches contains his full story. There is room for a well done translation but I would not trust anyone to do it.

>>13110831
>he didn't even write it
We know from records that he had a secretary put it onto paper. How much influence was transferred, we really cannot know. External history corroborates much of the text.

>>13110933
>Waga Tousou
Well, shit, it's real. Where can I buy it?

>>13111024
It would take a legit retard to accept a review of a translation as a critique against the original work - so I am unfortunately sure that this methodology works.

>>13111979
>horse fuckers
We probably have a legit deer rapist on /k/. His story sounded very plausible. The bronies and furries mostly got caught in the /gq/ containment discord.

>>13109679
https://archive.org/details/MeinKampfTheStalagEditionTheOnlyCompleteAndOfficiallyAuthorisedEnglishTranslatio

i dont know if its been posted yet, im not checking. im on chapter 3 right now, it's a great read

>>13112147
>im on chapter 3 right now
Do not let the repetition wear on you. As I stated previously, the repetition is inherent to the construction of the text. You might skim a bit when he repeats but lock back on to the text once you see something new. No section is a direct repeat. It's a bit like reading several of Hermann Hesse's books in rapid succession.

>>13109679
hitler was such a legend. /lit/tards who reject Mein Kampf without reading it are eternal pseuds.

Here's untranslated Waga Tousou for anyone interested.
https://mega.nz/#!2kkExCqQ!NLM52IOREjbMWwsie12TxAxKVH4Rf6xR8YOlbiGmtZA

>>13109679
> he can't see the difference between thinking about something and presenting others some reasoning styled that way

Also, do you realize that your propaganda affection is essentially the same as whole-hearted worship of TV commercials? Italians at least had some inspiration.

>reading Nazi propaganda on purpose

>>13112783
Do you believe your sign to not apply to yourself? Should all sides of an argument not be considered? American media is a propaganda engine. Trump barely even scratches the surface when he talks about fake news. WWII is still being propagandized by the American media today.

>all this cope
just admit it
you people don't like it when others read things deemed incorrect by your own society
Plato's Republic is just as "fucked up bro" as Mein Kampf is, but nobody would bat an eye if they said they endorse the outlook put forward in the work.
Thou shalt not address the issue of race. It is holy writ.
Except when Plato says it. Or when Wagner says it. Or when Thomas Jefferson. Or when Benjamin Franklin says it.

Hitler is the secular West's Satan. Deal with it.
Bottom Text.

>>13112814
>Except when Plato says it
Agreed.
>Or when Wagner says it.
No, Wagner takes some heat.
>Or when Thomas Jefferson
He takes a bit, also.
>Or when Benjamin Franklin says it
Fatboy also pretty much gets a pass. Generally speaking, you are correct though. Thirty years ago I would only have ever heard Wagner taking any heat out of the men on your list. That narrative is definitely evolving a bit. I think that one man that gets very little mention on the topic, though he deserves a mention, is Martin Luther.

>>13112799
And doesn't the sign implicitly reify the propaganda-as-ideological-control model? It's propaganda for propaganda, or anti-propaganda propaganda, which because it is "anti-propaganda" indicates a propagandized and conditioned response to propaganda.

>>13112906
Yeah bro, my Garfield meme is exactly the same thing as mein kampf
You dun cracked the code

>>13112933
>my Garfield meme is exactly the same thing as
You miss the point. No one is immune from propaganda. Just because the propaganda that you see reinforces your world view does not mean that it is not propaganda or that you are immune from it. Your meme has more meaning than you seem to observe.

>>13112872
Luther didn't hate kikes for their race though, did he? It's the race part that's taboo. Bumfuck middle America will cringe all day long at the weird shit orthodox jews do, but the moment you mention their ethnicity being an issue they might as well be Israelis themselves. Just show any group of people the ad on youtube for the kosher switch and they'll be confused as fuck and think jews are weird as shit, but only because how they act. Mention discrimination or judgement based on blood ties and all of a sudden you're a pariah.

>>13112991
>Luther didn't hate kikes for their race though, did he?
Neither did Hitler. He hated their actions.
>the kosher switch
That is actually a very good example because it shows to what great length they will go to pretend like they are following the rules.

>>13111979
>>13111975
We haven't had an innawoods thread in a while but writefag general is is a fun thread to check out.

>>13113043
I agree, but many on /lit/ consider /wfg/ to be too lowbrow. One needs to accept it for what it is. Though the writing itself is often very poorly done, from a technical standpoint they are generally very adept.

>>13112953
Not everything is propaganda, Debord

>>13113073
Reality is the worst ideology

>>13113078
When your mom tells you to clean your room and come upstairs for dinner, that is ideological but not propaganda.
Not that I would expect a Hitlerite to recognize nuance.

>>13113073
>again misses the point
You are not immune from propaganda.

>>13113033
>>13113033
>He hated their actions

Dude believed in the protocol of zion he was just blaming them for the shitshow that was the economy at the time.
Funnily enought, Hitler barely improves his people conditions (economy was already recovering before his coming to power) he simply used them as weapons for taking over the east. One of his bighsot also suggested that they take over russia in a very "jewish" way, by having germans minority undermine the state.

>>13113086
Have you been reading too much Schopenhauer?

>>13113095
>Dude believed in the protocol of zion
Regardless of the validity of this document, or the lack thereof, is this not just a codification of rules for actions? Either way, I have only ever heard solid refutations of the authenticity of this document. I have heard no solid refutation of the contents of the document with respect to Jewish behavior. Your statements on the economy need some substantiation to be able to sway me.
>having germans minority undermine the state
Tit for tat does not bother me. I would not have been dismayed if an assassination were done in retribution for Ferdinand either. Belligerent parties do such things.

>>13113086
No, orders are not direct propaganda. Neither can the stated goal of punishment be to punish. The condition for receptivity to an order is inculcated by propaganda, the order itself is nevertheless a propaganda expression. The order advertises its own justification.

>>13112814
Or maybe the book is just shit lol

>>13113149
If you hate them for their actions then you don't try to genocide all of them. He needed a scapegoat he could milk for sjw points and money

>>13110701

>>13113149

>I have heard no solid refutation of the contents of the document with respect to Jewish behavior.
Well you don't really need to. First of all someone tried to pin the content of the document on the jew (and the freemasons but this was removed when they stopped being popular I believe) by subverting the meaning of a few existing texts, which is actually fairly "jewish". Secondly you could apply the content of the book to whatever elite group you want, there's nothing inherently jewish in them.
>Your statements on the economy need some substantiation to be able to sway me

Wage of Destruction. Can't give you the page right now, bit basically what Hitler did was mostly invest massive sums into rearmements and Volks project that were supposed to create cheap luxury good for the people but utterly failed (except for the volks radio). Some were even used as governement run scam to finance the war effort such as the Volkswagen.

>Tit for tat does not bother me
But there's no tits for tats. Communism was birthed by a german, Marx. They helped Lenin undermine the russian empire during WWI. If anything the following commie uprising was the russian vengeance, although it was such a failure it's hard to believe it was the handywork of a boogeyman as big as the jews.

>>13113159
I unironically think that he just "The Art of Being Right"ed you.

>>13113233
The whole point of that dialectic is to trick other people into agreeing with you. Did you sense agreement in my post?

>>13113184
>Well you don't really need to
The Talmud is indicting enough regarding their behavior so The Protocols have no real gravity for me.
>Wage of Destruction
TY - I will give it a spin. May I recommend "German on Welfare" from David Crew? I found it enlightening.
>Communism was birthed by a german, Marx.
Marx was a Jew.
>They helped Lenin undermine the russian empire
Lenin, also a Jew.
>it's hard to believe it was the handywork of a boogeyman as big as the jews
Yet the two men you choose to mention are both Jews.

>>13113244
I was thinking of the part where you pretend to be retarded so you get the other party to spin their wheels trying to get you back on track. While you are guiding them back on track, they are carefully scrutinizing your text for flaws - which one is apt to make if one complacently fails to see that the retardation is a feint.

>>13109679
You should read the New Henry Ford translation 2011 edition, its prose is fluid and beutiful, and has nice annotations. The Stalag edition is hard to read, the translation is too literal and ''German''.

>>13113348
>New Henry
Michael Ford, buddy. Regardless, it is worth every cent over the cost of many translations.
>Stalag edition
I plan to give this a spin to see if I get anything out of it. The German language and culture are not unfamiliar to me (though I am not fluent enough to read the original text) so I should be able to wade through it.

>>13113364
I dont know if I'd call mk beautiful...

>>13109679
>Where can I buy mein kampf
you've already lost

>>13113368
Yours is the first use of the word "beautiful" in the entire thread.

>>13113383
Asking advice about the quality of translations is legitimate - especially in this instance.

>>13113095
This is not true at all. What Hitler did to the German economy is still seen by most economics as a miracle. Nevermind the rise of birthrates and general happiness of the German people.

>>13113492
some miracle

>>13113492
>still seen by most economics as a miracle
Hitler considered himself an economic hack, making this all the more an achievement. The locksmith was just a milquetoast economic Marxist so his economic platform got sidelined. I do not think that his plans would have done much.

>>13113548
Your image was a result of their loss of the war, not a direct result of the economic actions - though the two be inextricably intertwined. That image would have been very different had they won.

>>13113561
if ifs and buts were candy and nuts then we'd all have a merry christmas :)

>>13113561
> if dead man was alive, he would live without dying
Brilliant.

>>13113251
>the talmud
From the few pages I've read it's basically a huge discours between severals rabies on laws. Do you have any parts in mind?

>German on Welfare
Sure why not. I'll try to read it.

>Marx a jew
A secular one, I fon't think he proposed a single united jewish front. I'm not sure the infamous jewish banker were fond of him either.

>Lenin
One of his grandfather was a jew. Is it enought to be part of the secret cult?

>>13113869
>Do you have any parts in mind?
I am far from a scholar on the subject but I would start with the parts about making sure that outsiders only think that they are profiting from you, etc.
>Marx was a secular Jew
The undercurrent in "Judaism" is not really the religion. Notice how many Jews that are entirely averse to the religion still follow the general political trends of other Jews. I am unsure of the underpinnings but it does not appear to be racial or religious. Look at the numbers of German Jews that were Social Democrats under Weimar. Look also at how many Jews in the US are Democrats - and how many of the few that are not Democrats are embarrassing ideologues of the Right. Marxism is a critique of society that follows a similar divide and conquer methodology embraced by Jews throughout history. Marx is extremely Jewish.
>I'm not sure the infamous jewish banker were fond of him either
The yin/yang of socialist/capitalist ideology is at the core of many of societies problems. The struggle against capital is a fraud. Both capitalism and socialism are institutions antagonistic to their host countries.
>One of his grandfather was a jew. Is it enought to be part of the secret cult?
Apparently so. A very large number of early Russian Revolutionaries had Jewish ties. Almost all of the early "Russian" Communists with nomme de guerres were Jewish.
>German on Welfare
I dropped an "s". This should have read "Germans on Welfare". I found the sections on agitation to be enlightening.

>>13113869
Lenin's real name was Aaron Schnitzelbergskyson.

>>13113551
>I know this field better than actual aged experts who spend their life learning that exact field
Okay bud

>>13111812
This one?

>>13113869
Lenin has literally said that he felt more like a jew than he did a russian and the revolution was partly funded from wall street.

>>13114465
>aged experts
I am far older than the locksmith was at the time of his theorizations. Age has little to do with it. What do you suppose the locksmith would have done?

>>13114483
>said that he felt more like a jew than he did a russian
Do you have a source on that? I see a lot of claims "that he was not even aware of his Jewish ancestry" and that his sister only discovered it after his death. This flies in the face of needing the nomme de guerre, which he did use.

>>13114468
No that's not Mein Kampf. That is an entirely different work on Hitler as an avatar.

All of these "Go for Stalag" suggestions are a little off the mark. The New Order provides samples and goes into some depth about each translation:

https://neworderorg.wordpress.com/2017/09/11/mein-kampf-comparison-of-translations/

>>13114034
>outsiders only think that they are profiting from you

I'm not sure what part you are refering too, but again the book is a discusion of many rabies with many different opinion. Ex: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/economic-justice-for-insiders-and-outsiders/

>"When taxes were levied arbitrarily, even punitively, by local functionaries, was it wrong to conceal hard-earned assets? In a case where a Jew and a non-Jew had a legal dispute,the Jewish courts would have no jurisdiction, and the gentile courts might or might not be predisposed to rule equitably. Why not wink at the opportunity to take matters into one’s own hands?
Rabbi Ishmael and Rabbi Akiva each address this last question in the Talmudic discussion. Rabbi Ishmael suggests that in such a situation it is appropriate to use akifin (subterfuges) to accomplish what could not be accomplished through the legal system. Rabbi Akiva responds that one may not do so, even if one believes that one is entitled to do so,because it would lead to a desecration of the divine name. If the Jews are God’s people, then even the perception of wrongdoing reflects negatively not only on one’s own reputation, or that of entire community, but on God’s holy name itself."

>Notice how many Jews that are entirely averse to the religion still follow the general political trends of other Jews.

Jews are overrepresented everywhere. Israel also has been buddying with the anti-european right in europe for a while now: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/union-israel-european-180716085952930.html

>Look at the numbers of German Jews that were Social Democrats under Weimar.

I don't have any numbers on that so I can't comment. I know there was fascists jews organizations in Italy before Hitler forced them to be removed.

>Look also at how many Jews in the US are Democrats

Well, jews mostly lives in big town, which tend to be more democratic.

>and how many of the few that are not Democrats are embarrassing ideologues of the Right.

What do you mean by that? That the dumb jewish right winger are more embarassing that the tolerant bleading hearth leftist jew?

>Both capitalism and socialism are institutions antagonistic to their host countries.

Sounds like autism, desu. The biggest problem of our current world society is the dropping fertility drop everywhere, which encourage massive movements thus creating destabilisation. Even sandnig are getting hit by that.

>A very large number of early Russian Revolutionaries had Jewish ties.

Jewish russian had something like a 60% literracy rate while the average russian had 19%. Having them be overrepresented isn't exactly weird.

>Almost all of the early "Russian" Communists with nomme de guerres were Jewish.
I doubt that. Cambodgians also had nom de guerre, for exemple, yet I never heard of jewish agitations. From what I remember reading they took those name to protect their identity and to show they were part of the movement.

>>13114465
Well, who exactly consider his achievement as a miracle?

>>13114968
Interesting. I find that I do not like any of those translations, though my German is not good enough to wade through the original text. I may make an attempt with a side-by-side reading. Notably I see nouns being translated as verbs which changes the flavor of the passage for me. Anyways, thank you for adding that.

>>13110793
>inserted racial pejoratives used in the Murphy and Mannheim versions (words which Hitler never actually used in the original).
Such as?
Also, by any chance does anyone here know if Dutch translations are to be trusted? Or a good German version for that matter? I think I'll manage in German but having a translation would be nice regardless

>>13114964
>This flies in the face of needing the nomme de guerre, which he did use.
how so?

I've read Murphy translation.

>>13115196
Because so many of the people that used them in that time and that place were Jews.

>>13113244
Not him, but not really. The entire point of that dialectic is to win the argument. Be it by having the "opponent" agree with you or by having listeners think you are right (which is what happened here by proxy of one anon) There are even specific techniques, solely to make onlookers think you have won, desite your own and your opponents knowledge that you have in fact not.

It seems you haven't read it or didn't understand it - but what the fuck am I expecting here honestly.

>>13109679
You fucking can't. You learn German and you get the recent critical edition -- a true hallmark. Because of the extensive commentary more than anything, to be specific, as I won't be caught perpetuating the '>translations' meme. It also includes and notes the differences between every known German edition printed up to the end of the war, and it has a very messy editorial history just like it's a very messy, shitty book on its own. Not to say that it's not interesting as a personal or historical document or whatever, but this is really just another reason to go for the critical edition.
>>13115166
See above

>>13116824
Like Stalin?
You're just making shit up

>>13118778
The new Hitler kritische Edition interests me, but I wish I could see a sample of it. I don't want the "commentary" to crowd the text or have to sift through footnotes that offer interesting points and those that offer either obvious information or highly contemporary points on politics.

>>13113600
that banter doesn't even make sense

>>13115126
me
I'm a god tier economist no joke

>>13118778
I do not agree with all of your points but I would like to add that a lot of secrets are still hidden in the German language. It is a very valuable tool for learning about this topic outside of MK. I even assblasted a D&C faggot with a Kinderlied once. The faggot was trying to say that real white people cannot tan. That if you tan, that you are already POC. I referenced the Kinderlied Hänschen Klein whereby they specifically mention:
>burned brown
>forehead and hands
>will they even recognize him?
Original text here:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4nschen_klein
David Irving found Rommel's original diaries which totally changed the narrative regarding the relationship between Hitler and Rommel. The diaries were in plain view - only his knowledge of German pointed him to needing to get the shorthand deciphered.
tldr; learn German if this topic interests you

>>13119008
>*makes strawman argument*
There are definitely exceptions, but the presence indicates that a closer inspection is warranted. Lenin was a Jew. Get past it.

>>13120012
I have confidence that you are certainly no worse than the locksmith.

>>13120411
>David Irving found Rommel's original diaries which totally changed the narrative regarding the relationship between Hitler and Rommel.
Care to go into detail? Is there an article he wrote to read on this topic? Sounds interesting.

>>13120945
He includes the historiography of this in "The Trail of the Fox". He saw interesting keywords in an untitled mass of papers that were unintelligible to him due to the style of handwriting and the fact that the text was "enciphered" in one of six prevailing shorthand methodologies in use in Germany at the time. These papers were in Allied possession for decades but went unnoticed because no one knew what they were. Irving found a secretary that knew the shorthand version and got them deciphered. Rommel's diaries blast Speidel's narrative of Rommel as the superman that can do no wrong, and paint a picture of Hitler as an understanding, flexible leader - notably regarding the North Africa Campaign and The Normandy Invasion. I can elaborate if needed.

>>13109791
>>13110302
As far as I know its not the most accurate but most fun to read. The "accurate" "approved" editions supposedly have been changed or edited in some subtle ways to introduce errors and distort the narrative. Its hard to say, you would need a native german speaker to read german/original and then compare to english translations.

>>13109688
those are certainly some digits

>>13121137
>you would need a native german speaker
Frankly, you need a native German speaker from the era to be able to tell what may be out of place. There will likely never be a good analysis into English. Take the movie "Er Ist Wieder Da" for a spin. I noticed a few well chosen word variants that carry this idea well. I welcome anyone to provide a list of bastardizations that I could check against the original text.

>>13110634
Infidel

>>13121260
What do you find most appealing about the bait?