/lit/ - Literature

Mistborn is in my top 5 best sff books.

>>13097914
I thought book 1 was pretty great. An enjoyable read.

>>13097840
Correct way to post it.
Previously:
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>>13097914
>Cringe edition.
Well done on the perfect first post.

>>13097840
OP I am disappoint.

Download in the OP, as usual. I should probably add that to the image.

>>13098021
When are you guys going to star reading something new? Like in the last decade new?

>>13098034
What would be the point?

>>13098021
>I should probably add that to the image.
The direct link in the image won't help anyone. A qr-code of the link on the other hand might.

>>13098034
>reading modern fantasy
W E W

Was The Player of Games meant to be written like a propaganda piece for a fictional superpower? Spoilers btw. It starts off interesting presenting qualities and flaws of both the Culture and the Empire, and then out of nowhere the Empire conveniently just turn out to be cartoonishly evil baby rapists. Really peaks with the game where our hero is talking about his play style representing the Culture with how he passively spreads across the board while his opponents are always the first to attack when in reality it's blatantly false and they're destabilizing and destroying an empire they don't like who have zero means to attack them in the first place with their hundred times less advanced weapons. They even have a foreign mercenary, all that was missing was showing bribed local traitors. The writing is alright but I haven't read any other Culture books so I'm not sure if it's intentionally on the nose by having the meta plot of the laziest hollywood movie justifying their latest invasion. Especially since the narrator is a military droid who says he made shit he didn't witness up.

How does the Conan movie compare to the book?

>>13097914
YA is not lit

>>13098101
The point would be reading something from new authors. Most here have had their fill of older authors.

>>13098124
I was actually thinking about sci-fi. As long as the book is not on io9 top ten list or some such site, you should be fine.

>>13098171
>Most here have had their fill of older authors
I see...
I guess they'll have to vote for other books then. Assuming these people exist.

>>13098191
Maybe more people would vote if there was something more interesting to read?

>see anon at the end of last thread mention some book
>look it up
>glance at what other other work the author's done
>see pic related and this glorious blurb
"Control dinosaurs.
Tame women.
Rule the world.

Victor Shelby ends each day wondering when his life is going to get better. His parents are dead, he struggles to pay rent, and his boss at the animal control shelter has him cleaning cages instead of working in the field. His dream of helping animals seems destined to end in a mop bucket.

Then Victor is abducted by aliens and deposited on a prehistoric world filled with hungry dinosaurs and beautiful alien women.

He doesn’t know why he is here or what his purpose is, but he finds himself fighting for survival. Most men would have been lizard kibble in a few moments, but Victor’s natural ability to empathize with animals has grown stronger, and he finds himself able to control the most docile of the terrible lizards.

Victor will have to use his taming powers to provide food, water, and shelter for the three women that he has sworn to protect. Success means they get to live another day, failure means a horrible death in the jaws of Earth’s most deadly predators.

Disclaimer: This book has ravaging dinosaurs, a lot of cursing, extreme violence, and a harem of exotic alien women. The novel is not meant for people under the age of 18."
Holy Jesus. Destroyer-anon, how pulpy is Destroyer? It can't be this silly, r-right?

>>13098197
Then suggest titles (within the guidelines) next time voting comes around?
We only had a mandated author this month because he had just passed.

>>13098201
I like the heels. They really bring that cover together.

>>13098208
I'll do that.

>>13098201
>reading anything from that hack scott earle

>muh deconstruction
>muh subversion of tropes
>muh political allegory
>muh social justice
>muh grimdark
>muh urban fantasy
When did you realize that the fantasy genre is dead?

>>13098582
Fantasy dies with the white race?

>>13098582
I think up until the early 90s you can still find some good fantasy,but it pretty much died in the 2000s,same with scifi.

>>13098602
Why is it dead? Explain...

>old good
>new bad

>>13098611
Lorefags

>>13097914

I just can't get into Sanderson. He's so generic and his characters are insufferable.

Scalzi is one of the worst writers I've ever read. Same with Rothfuss. Absolute trash.

Anyone have any primarily fantasy books (can be science fiction too, whatever, but I prefer fantasy purely for the metaphysics of a fantasy world and character positions) that is mostly philosophical / rambly / politics-y? And actually good too, but whatever, what's good for you might not be good for another. The main thing is to be a slow burn, with LOTS of dialogue and in-world social strife.

No Bakker or Botns, I've read both.

>>13098745
Also no Dune, I've read it all as well.

>>13097840
>What book disappointed you the most?
Name of the Wind. I tried to read it about five years ago after hearing good things about it. I didn't get far because the MC is insufferable and nothing else about it was enjoyable.
A Princess of Mars I had some hope for being enjoyable pulp like Conan, but it's LN tier bad.

On the plus side I'm about half way through Jonathan Strange and it's excellent.

Read it.

>>13098780
>Isekai
no thank you

>>13098745
Stand on Zanzibar,and most John Brunner works are kinda like that

How would you guys like to read a mafia-style story set in a Fantasy world?

>>13098201
Imagine getting banned from amazon for botting your own product, then whining about it non-stop and how the readers dont appreciate the hard work you do.

>>13098780

I'm reading Momo currently. I shall get to it soon.

>>13098860
capone biography was fun

>>13098201
wheres the guy from his facebook group? are there any updates? last i heard his lawyers are still negotiating with amazon.

Name one fantasy book that isn't either essentially a ghost or a war story

>>13098613
Typically luddite behavior.

>>13098745
The long price quartet and...
I will hit you 2morrow when I have access to my pcs library.

>Dimber! I'm fly you see, and that's the Lily.
>Helps if you have of got gelt, and that'dd be abram.
WTF?

>>13098745
Tigana? I personally wasn't into it, but it sounds like what you're looking for.

There's also Peace, which I've recently started reading, though it (seems to be, so far) smaller scale without much in the way of politics. It's also non-linear in the extreme, even for Wolfe, which might be a positive or negative for you.

>>13099175
Lord of the Rings

>>13099563
You surely Jest.

>>13099175
Harry Potter, Name of the Wind, the Lies of Locke Lamora, and Shadow of the Torturer.

>>13099585
I would hardly call the Fellowship of the Ring “essentially a war story”.

Hello friends,

I'm looking for some fantasy that has incredible atmosphere and mood while not getting too deep into the technicalities of its worldbuilding or magic system or whatever the fuck. An ideal example of what I'm looking for is The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath, but most other weird fiction doesnt quite cut it and is too preoccupied with horror or character. The house on the Borderland is a good example too. Basically a book that is all about atmosphere and world immersion without getting waylaid by self-indulgent complex explanations of how well thought out it's own universe is

Need books where size queens get stuffed.
I want to read when it's coming out there is like an audible sound.

>>13098582
playing elder scrolls is more fun than reading tolkien though

>>13099687
Prince of Nothing

>>13098611
The grimderp nihilism and subversion, modern writers focusing too much on world-building because that's easier than actually writing an original story, books becoming even MORE political, the near-death of originality in general.

>>13098745

You won't find a lot of fantasy like that, frankly. The only thing I can think of are Chesterton novels (mostly speculative fiction, though it dabbles with the fantastic) and Flatland, but the latter is just slightly amusing.

>>13098745

Oh, I forgot: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell. I haven't read it yet, but since it takes place during the Napoleonic Wars and considering what I heard about it, I expect it to have quite a bit of politics and social strife, as they deal with the resurgence of magic in England.

I just downloaded 25 newly released self published books and will read all, and there is nothing you can do to stop me.

>>13099718
but that's because of the big tiddie anime goth gf mods

>>13098582
Where is the shit Tolkien consumed to feed the rest. Also you have to have divergent streams a few shits down. Fantasy wasn't following a singular path, it split a few times drawing inspiration from different sources.
Also to say everything came from Tolkien dunsany and Howard just shows you are a readlet and brainlet.

As a matter of fact, this entire picture makes me feel you will post a renamed pic talking a out Malazan and onions

>>13098201
>Holy Jesus. Destroyer-anon, how pulpy is Destroyer? It can't be this silly, r-right?
It's less goofy, for sure.

Just wanna say that I hate the ending. It was obvious for a while that Kaiyer and Iolarathe are the dead gods but did it really have to phrase it as her existence ending? Felt like a punch in the gut. I don't care about Jessmei and Nadea, I want a family reunion. Also shouldn't have killed off Isslata, you faggot author.

>>13099751
Already read, it's where I developed the fetish.

>>13099860
How brave

>>13099860
Careful on that edge.

Thoughts on Conan?

>>13099889

Not everything came from them, but these are the three most (badly) imitated ones, which is true. Writers influenced by Mervyn Peake or by the 80-90s urban fantasy (like Crowley and Lint) are at least more creative and don't just rehash their influences works.

>>13099175

You serious? You could easily stay all day listing books. That was a dumb remark.

>reading peace
>get fed up with Mr. Pringles bullshit and go looking for spoilers
>nobody knows what the fuck is going on
I should have expected this

Is there a sci fi version of the Odyssey or the Illiad like there is of the Canterbury Tales in the form of Hyperion

>>13099924
My thoughts on Conan are positive.

>>13099934
I'm almost certain I've read one, but I can't remember the title...

>>13099860
Powerful

>>13099934
How can i get as manly as that guy?

>>13099981
Reading genre fiction

>>13099934
There is a certain popular book here that is heavily influenced/inspired
But, you mean like straight up re-telling, right?

>>13099934

2024 a Cyberpunk Illiad.

>>13099981
By reading David Gemmell

>>13099934
This is a joke post, right? Dan Simmons himself the Hyperion guy, brainlet wrote an SF Iliad. It's called Ilium.

>>13099981
Read Bakker

>>13100064
Bakker tells me I should let a charismatic older man seduce me into killing my father to turn me into the manliest psychopath of all.

>>13100064
But if I follow bakker's route, I will have to become a gay faggot that makes wombs of men's asses.

>>13099981
work out, eat lots of red meat and egg and milk products but little to no plants that have fibres fruits are fine, masturbate only when your balls are about to burst. read only novels with manly men doing manly things.

>>13100238
>kill your joints, force gout on yourself, force your biological systems into a state of hormonal panic. shelter yourself

>>13100225
Hey, thats just the way it goes in the current year.

>>13100272
>believing the jew propaganda about meat diets being bad
anon pls.

>>13100299
>everything I don't like is jew propaganda
Can you go back to /pol/ if you're not gonna treat your brainworms

>>13100308
>strawmaning /pol/

>>13098138
>Was The Player of Games meant to be written like a propaganda piece for a fictional superpower?
I mean, Banks tries to be nuanced but it's pretty obvious where his heart is regarding the Culture.

>>13098582
The problem isn't those things you listed but the fact that "modern" "fantasy" keeps beating the same dead horses, and _executing it poorly_. NGE did all of those things for previous mecha anime, and it was good.

Basically fantasy hasn't been able to move on from ASOIAF, which a) wasn't that good and b) WAS TWENTY YEARS AGO.

>>13098765
>A Princess of Mars I had some hope for being enjoyable pulp like Conan, but it's LN tier bad.
I like the John Carter stories, but it really takes an antiquarian mindset to enjoy them. If you aren't actively engaged by being able to see how influential everything is, there's no much else there aside from a few writers' craft tricks.

>>13099388
>he can't into cant

>He turned is attention to the larger mirror in the wall, and ejaculated in amazement. Peering over his shoulder, Conan grunted.
Howard really had a way with words

>>13098021
I feel like you guys change your monthly reading like every few days instead of every month

>>13098034
Everything new is shit. Now that Gene "Pringles" Wolfe is gone there are no more good authors alive.

>>13098596
Yes, science fiction might survive due to the eastern bugmen however.

There's gotta be some good new-ish fantasy out there
What do you, yes you, consider good, anyway?
If you're one of the people who think's fantasy's dead, why did it die? What's modern stuff missing that older stuff had?

>>13101409
The Powder Mage series and the Red Queen series are both pretty good entries into the genre, released pretty recently.
As for why the genre is on the decline, i'd place the blame squarely on activist publishers gatekeeping anyone who doesn't either toe a politically correct line, or go maximum edgy. Everything nowadays is either squeaky clean or 110% degenerate with very few authors who don't want to be either getting published.
Also the grey and grey morality meme just makes everything awful.

>>13097840
Hello, what does sffg think of Wheel of Time and the trilogies written by Trudi Canavan?

Did Sanderson do the series justice? Was there anything to ruin?

Is Canavan a good author, or is this just a woman's self insert and narrow minded critique of reality?

>>13101409
>What's modern stuff missing that older stuff had?
Heart. Soul. Originality. Focus on character and story first and foremost. Not using stories as an excuse to soapbox politics. Not reveling in nihilism and edginess. Also as this anon >>13101419 correctly points out publishers are always hugely to blame.

>>13101427
>Canavan
I read the High Lord trilogy (or whatever it's name was) when I was an impressionable youth, and I enjoyed it at the time
went back to it for some nostalgia recently and found myself really disappointed by younger-me's taste
>characters pretty one-note
>stereotypical bullying in the school book because you poor we rich haha
>romance in the third book fucks up the MC's brains
I would like to know more about the setting's history and laws and stuff, but that isn't worth it
I do like academy stories, though, so that was the one thing it taught me
so yes, b) self insert, narrow

>WoT
by the time Sanderson got to it there wasn't anything left to ruin imo

Are we entering a new age of Ice and Fire ripoffs after the success of GOT mirroring all the Tolkien knock offs like Shanara in the 80s?

>The 1143-year-long war had been begun on false pretenses and only continued because the two races were unable to communicate.
>Once they could talk, the first question was "Why did you start this thing?" and the answer was "Me?"

lol

>>13098034
>When are you guys going to star reading something new?
Whenever you nominate something new.

Give me something edgy

>>13101692
Just as the condition of this month was ‘Gene Wolfe only,’ the theme of next month should be ‘published after 2010.’

>>13101599
>Are we entering a new age
Did you miss the last 10 years in fantasy? Where did you think the grimderp fad came from?
>>13102026
Not a bad idea actually. I'd rather it was post 2000 books though.

>>13097840
>What book disappointed you the most?
Anything by Heinlein

Anyone have a chart or something of fantasy novels that have interesting settings, e.g. not based on medieval Europe?

>>13102439
Throne of Glass is pretty cool.

>>13102439
You could try the Black Company. The first books start in medieval Europe but it moves on fairly quickly to not India.

>>13102499
You know I actually looked it up to see what the setting was like, and what do you know, medieval Europe.

>>13102540
wrong

>>13101409
>If you're one of the people who think's fantasy's dead, why did it die? What's modern stuff missing that older stuff had?
It died because white people have declined both in number and of quality, it died because newer generations have grown up on awful video games that have stories that are derivatives of derivatives. It died because the market has become dumber and corporate marxist. It died because people are less connected to the real world than ever and spend too much time on the Internet and on their phones.

To have good fantasy you basically need an intelligent and experienced white man and an industry and publishing market that is willing to sell his works. And as I already said both the supply of good writers is VERY low these days and the market wouldn't want one even if there was one.

>>13102499
>tfw nothing you write will ever be nearly as profitable or reach a wide an audience as this drek- I mean, this amazing series that we all love

>>13102536
I've never understood why this series is considered to be the first proper "grimdark" work
comparing it to modern edgefests that get called grimdark, it's fairly chill and far less retarded than that
>Murgen's PoV haunts me, dear god was that a slog

>>13101939
Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton

>>13102926
I guess because it’s more less the grandfather of them all. While it’s not some modern edgefest it was the first to really start taking it in that direction. That being said I don’t think it hurt the books at all and a little grimdark is fine, most books now just take it to extremes.

>Not liking Murgen’s PoV
Really? I actually liked it. I was surprised how much I liked Sleepy’s book though.

>>13101939
BotNS

>>13102026
I think next month will be a normal month, but after that we can vote about doing another theme month.

never read any Dragonlance, and am thinking of filling in this hole
is it good if you've read a lot of fantasy?

>>13103605
>dragonlance
reminds me of:

http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2010/10/roleplaying-malazan-book-of-fallen-and.html

>>13097840
I'm thinking about reading the Wheel of Time and am already about 100 pages into The Eye of the World. What am I in for?

>>13103665
The greatest fantasy novel ever written.

>>13102926
>there's a bunch of dudes just beating and torturing a loli for the lols in the first book
>designated edgelord goes to kill all of them to save her.
It's pretty dark desu, they kill around like it's nobody's business and the author does imply they do a lot of bad things, but you have to remember it's a chronicle. It doesn't read like a book, you can't be descriptive in one, but it's damn grim.

How's Le Guins Earthsea series? Tempted to get the bix illustrated edition but it says young adult? How juvenile is it?

>>13104048
it's fantastic. doesn't have very complex setting or themes, so i guess you can consider it juvenile if you want but still very worth reading if you like engaging fantasy. also they are very short books anyway

>>13104048
They are the sort of books which are enjoyable both to adults and younger people

Interesting how many people seem to loathe Grimdark.

You all yearn for the romance of classic fantasy.

>>13103605
It's entry level fantasy,still pretty fun tho

>>13104212
We loathe grimderp that reads like Coldsteel the Hedgehog.

>>13104212
>You all yearn for the romance of classic fantasy.
absolutely. edgy fantasy is mainstream nowadays though and the market is flooded with it. makes it harder to find suitable new shit.
notice how theres only ever older books recommended here.
the only people that read new books seem to be the litrpg and harem fags.
im not that desperate yet.

What's your excuse for not reading this great series about two brothers?
It concerns sad boi and chad boi, born with the ability to create/manipulate shadow (sad) and light (chad), both given five hundred years of life and youth, and cursed by a being afraid of their combined might to want to brutally murder each other. The curse, triggered by proximity/power use, makes them not give a damn about anything else when active, to the point that they'd cut through an orphanage if it meant getting in stabbing range faster. All they want to really do is live a quiet life playing music and rule as a just king, respectively, but the curse is a sort of One Ring dealio, and is interested in warping their personalities to get them to kill each other.
I love the series, though a lot of people, at least on G**dreads get put off by the first book, which is slow-paced compared to later entries.

>>13104338
>What's your excuse for not reading this great series about two brothers?
It's long.
Plan to read it eventually if I have all the books.

>>13104212
>TFW I love grimderp fantasy

The grimmer the better but I think I've already read anything worth reading now

>>13101419
>Red Queen series
Don't fall for this meme. That series was shit. This anon wouldn't know a good book if it spread it's pussy pages and asked for a fuck.

>>13102842
i'm sorry.. but I can't resist your bait but..
>>>/pol/

Give me something with either a gay mc, or the mc displays no interest in women through out the novel and no women are interested in him.
I know finding good novels with the former is basically impossible, but at least a man can dream.

>>13104262
>notice how theres only ever older books recommended here.
That is because yall fucking dinos scream and sperg out anytime something new is mentioned.
We (the people that actually read) just ignore yall asses and let you fool newfags into reading dreck.

>>13104628
All systems Red.

>>13104576
what are some of the best you'd recommend, anon

The First Law trilogy is bloody great!

>>13104628
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25539752-breakers-of-the-code

its monster girl quest. but gay.

>>13104786
>Anus of genitalia

Lmao

>>13097840
any particularly good sf audio books? Fed up listening to podcasts

what novel lets me experience
AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS IM FREE
ITS TIME TO CONQUER EARTH

>>13104786
Where can I read this online for free?

>>13104628
sufficiently advanced magic by andrew rowe. I think the mc is sort of gay in the first book and the author goes full SJW in the second even having some character with weird pronouns. He gets blasted for his faggotry in the amazon reviews but the books are decent. I'm not sure if this is litrpg because it's not labeled as one and I've never read legit litrpg but a lot of the similar recommended are litrpg.

>>13104831
Hyperion
Or some Alastair Reynolds books narrated by John Lee

>>13104843
From what I've read there's many characters like that in the Malazan Book of the Fallen. There seem to be imprisoned immortal tyrants or just generic powerful deathless ancients hidden under every other bush and they're all tripping over each other vying for power. Not to mention all of the meddling upstarts from the younger races.

will George finally finish his stupid books when the series is over

>>13105306
haha
no

>>13105306
According to Barristan Selmy the books are written

>>13098860
I love Baccano!

>>13104628
Nightrunner Series by Lynn Flewelling
Swordspoint by Ellen Kushner

>>13104843
ALPHA!
RITA'S ESCAPED!
RECRUIT A TEAM OF TEENAGERS WITH ATTITUDE!

Lookin for something with great atmosphere and descriptions of the environment. Go!

>>13104946
>hyperion.

THIS. Probably the best audiobook I've ever experienced. The voice acting is so well done, and theres a different actor for each pilgrims tale

Any fantasy stories that actually make you feel wonder?

>>13105795
Go read a book about plants then, you fucking queer.

>>13099796
>I haven't read it yet
Don't

>>13105853
Yeah Haha, that stuff's gay right? We here at sffg only like books with badass sorcerers and weird names

>>13102108
This, and without a doubt Sword of Truth

>>13104212
The main problem with grimdark is it seems to be written primarily by people who hate fantasy and write it out of spite.

>>13104262
>litrpg and harem fags
b-but muh Poppy War

How was your mothers day /sffg/? I'm almost done with the calderon trilogy and it's probably only a matter of pages before I hit the inevitable revelation that Tavi's mom was actually Isanna and not her sister.

Also I cooked for my mom and made her hangar steak with chimichurri sauce and coconut rice.

In honor of mother's day: recommend me some sffg that prominently features mother-son love. You know what I mean.

>>13106066
I saw that once an promptly ignored it when I realized with was basically a YA novel with a little edge thrown in to trick high schoolers into thinking it wasn't.

>>13106171
> basically a YA novel .. with a little edge
It's funny how people who obviously haven't read a book seem to think they can review it and not look like idiots.

the virgin song of ice and fire and the chad ________

>>13106390
iliad

>>13104008
To be fair though, that’s not that out of line what actual ancient armies use to do. I know their society is suppose to be a more medieval equivalent then something like the ancient Roman’s, but they’re also living in a world ruled by evil undead wizards, so I think we can make some allowances.

>>13106390
Sword of Truth

>>13105913
Why did Sword of Truth disappoint you?

>>13106390
Throne of Glass

>>13106150
Non-wincest: Dune

>>13106602
>Non-wincest: Dune
whats the point without the wincest?

>>13105826
I am an imaginationlet and I can never picture anything this detailed or interesting when I read. It makes me sad.

I have a pretty good notion of how you feel about ASOIAF (which I will only start reading once it gets an ending, so basically never) but what about the other things GRRM has written? Short stories and such?
Anything good?

wuxia bros ww@?

Why are forgotten yet also favored sons of a widowed lord who master forbidden and ancient cultivation methods the master race protagonists?

>>13106171
>[fantasy book] was basically a YA novel with elf words and edge thrown in to trick genre readers into thinking it's good

The Once and Future King, or Wizard at Earthsea?

Children of Dune is just so boring.

>>13106731
>Why are forgotten yet also favored sons of a widowed lord who master forbidden and ancient cultivation methods the master race protagonists?
jesus christ that was a train wreck of a sentence to read
what book?

>>13106735
I have never read Wizard of Earthsea, but I am reading The Once and Future King and think it is quite good.

>>13106731
>>Why are forgotten yet also favored sons of a widowed lord who master forbidden and ancient cultivation methods the master race protagonists?

>>13106762
Almost all of them.

>book
lel

>>13106786
Don't fight it anon.

>>13104338
I can't do long run series where the author works through his or her childhood issues anymore.
Sword of truth wore me down.

>>13106813
i wanna get into wuxia, please tell me what to read

>>13106735
Wizard of Earthsea. I personally couldn't get past the beginning of The Once and Future King, felt like something was off/missing. Earthsea on the other hand is great.

Should one read all of the Earthsea books or stop after the original trilogy? I've heard bad things about the later ones.

>>13106825
None of them is bad bad, just not as good.

>>13104338
>What's your excuse for not reading this great series about two brothers?
Wurts' prose is horrific. Story seemed interesting enough but I dropped it halfway through the first book because it was like reading an instruction manual rather than a novel.

With writing like that, it's no surprise she's broke and begging for charity on leddit.

>>13106820
I might be wrong but I think the only wuxia I've seen recommended here is the cradle series by will wight. Or maybe that's xianxia I don't know the difference just something to do with asian power fantasy.

lolita desu

>>13106820
Warlock of the magus world, spirit vessel, reverend insanity, dungeon defense.

>>13106833
It's all very much asian power fantasy.

What's a good book or series centered around the undead?
Skeletons, wights, wraiths, vampires, anything goes.

>>13104338
It doesn't seem to be gay enough, it moves at a gelatinous pace and subsequent books seem to maintain status quo.

>>13099796
Jonathan Strange is an excellent novel (more like a tome) with exactly zero politics and zero social strife in the worldbuilding. It's centred quite firmly on the upper classes so it gets mentioned once or twice that the lower classes are being a pain, but the main focus is on the magical historical realism so that barely gets a mentioned.

>>13107108
* a mention

>>13105795
Treason by Scott Card
The word for world is forest
Mythago wood

>>13104831
Look for graphic audio.

>>13106844
cant find any of those on amazon, b ok or tachiyomi

>>13106171
I should come out of retirement and make a readlet macro.

If I want to get into Middle-Earth lore and Tolkien's books, then should I start with the hobbit or lotr?

What's your opinion on single PoV vs. multi-PoV novels?

>>13106750
When you finish dune book 1, stop.

>>13107141
I prefer single pov but multi pov in moderation can be used to tell a richer story. So I'm ok with reading multi pov as long as it isn't a stupid amount of povs. Ideally no more than 3-5 povs.

The worst ones are those that start with single pov in the first book and shift to multi pov in the sequels.
Fuck you Anthony Ryan you fucking hack.

>>13107136
Either is fine. Hobbit if you want to read according to timeline.

>>13107141
Having multiple PoVs can help expand a story sometimes, but most author just change PoV every chapter and it grinds the pacing to a halt and annoys the shit out of me. I want to follow a plot arc to its conclusion, not have it interrupted every other chapter to side track about some other character who is doing something significantly less interesting.

>>13106871
The Unattractive vampire
Fat vampire
Nightlord sunset

>>13107121
You go to Wuxia world, and use some url to ebook chrome extension. I think. That's what I see from the webnovels fags.

>>13104715
I'd say murderbot is asexual rather than gay
>finds the idea of humans banging weird and icky
>no genitals anyway

>>13107121
Check on wuxiaworld and novelupdates (Goodreads for chinkshit)
Also, skip Warlock of the Magus World, only a complete and utter brainlet would recommend that pos.
Do check out out Desolate Era and Renegade Immortal.
Like the other anon already mentioned, use the webtoepub chrome extension to convert webnovels into epubs.

>>13106103
>trilogy
>he doesn't know about the other three books
it's 6 books long, anon
though Cursor's Fury is the best one, imo, and you could stop there if you wanted
I find the last two to be a bit silly, but it's alright overall

>>13107217
>I'd say murderbot is asexual rather than gay
He's not interested in pussy, which fully fits th OP's criteria

>>13107141
most of the time I prefer a singular PoV, as when there's multiple ones I tend to only really give a fuck about one or two of the plotlines. Even worse, but rare, is where the writing ends up feeling spread a bit thin, but that's usually due to too (tutu) many PoVs.
The best multi-PoV stuff I've read is by Guy Gavriel Kay. I have no idea how the snowbeaner fuck does it, but he manages to make all of his PoVs enjoyable.

>>13106103
>calderon trilogy
Madeline Calderon trilogy?

>>13107247
>he manages to make all of his PoVs enjoyable.
I bet you're the faggot that shilled me the children of earth and sky book.

>there are suddenly rumors that the last two ASoIaF books are completed
Hell, I buy it. Never ending XBOX HUEG blog posts, the shitty Targ history book, memeing about his own inability to write, what if he's only stalling? Remember Oatbringer? This thread will implode if they're both released in quick succession.

>>13107261
>fell for the Children of Earth and Sky meme
Lad, how many times do I need to tell you Tigana is the only book written by GGK that is worth reading?

>>13097840
Blade Runner. Having read a lot of PKD works before, i thought it was going to be a great ride. Was just meh, although not bad.

>>13107266
I wouldn't be surprised, he has good reason to stall it out until the TV series blows over though, because if he followed the plot he was initially setting up he'd be publicly flogged and crucified for it by the tumblr fanbase of the TV show.

>>13107266
I want it to be true but he's a lazy fat cunt.

>>13107266
The actor of Barristan Selmy said so, see video at 31:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeftoI3c81c

>>13107404
So the directors will be publicly flogged by social media for purposely withholding valuable resources?
Think they will get work after the fall out?

>>13107434
If that interview is true then it would be just as much Martin's fault. And no I don't think there will be any consequences for anyone.

What would be funny is if D&D had access to the last books and the end of the show is a relatively faithful adaptation

>>13107404
It's been nearly a fucking decade since adwd so it's possible, I just doubt it.

>>13107266
the kingkiller chronicles is supposedly finished, just in editing hell.

>>13107538
>giving a shit about Kingkiller

Good book. I really enjoyed it. 8/10
Recommend.

>>13107443
I think it is a faithful adaptation. Episode 5 had Martin's style all over it. Don't read past this point if you care about spoilers.
Dany going mad executing Varys and burning King's Landing, Dothraki pillaging KL, Northmen raping women, Unsullied slaughtering those who have already surrendered, all signifying that humans are their worst enemy not whitewalkers. Dany and Jon taking KL together was supposed to be the dream but emotions got in the way and it turned into a nightmare even if they got what they wanted.

Obviously D&D made a complete mess of they got there but the ending has Martin's fingerprints all over it.

>>13107575
If the show is indeed accurate, the most disappointing thing for me would be that the white walkers were pretty much pointless, get wrecked early, and the story just moves along.

>>13107544
i'm saying you can have a book 'done' but unreleased for 10 years, without an HBO conspiracy

>cringe edition
Perfect opportunity to write about the last piece of garbage i've read.
I honestly don't know what I was thinking when I started it. The premise alone rings more alarm bells than should even exist.
The author drags the name of Lovecraft and on of his characters in the title completely unabashed.
Lovecrafts descendant being a black murican mutt that owns a nerdy bookstore is absolute cringe and her dialogue is sometimes so jarring, I get the feeling I'm reading woke Twitter.
Despite that I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would. The author just takes some of the mythos stuff and makes his own thing with it.
Seriously considering reading the second novel. Yes it's actually a trilogy.

>>13107955
>Lovecrafts descendant being a black murican mutt
Let me guess, the novel goes out of it's way to completely bash Lovecraft like the author was absolutely seething at the mere mention of him, but also steals pretty much all it's shit directly from Lovecraft.

>>13107141
Single PoV can be the shittiest thing ever. I much prefer Third-person PoV.

>>13106871
Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton

>>13108024
Entirely correct.
They have the yaas queen directly saying that he wasn't a very good author.
I don't know if it is a sign of balls when you shamelessly rip off an author and use his name in the title to gain more sales while slamming his writing, or if it is just delusion.

>>13108101
I wish leftists would just leave him alone. If racism is such an unforgivable sin then stop reading him and stop using his ideas.

>>13108101
If you claim someone is a shit author, yet pretty much copy his work, what does that make you?

>>13107562
My copy is named blade runner and has Indiana Jones on the cover.

>>13107955
>Lovecrafts descendant being a black murican mutt that owns a nerdy bookstore
It's like pottery. What would make it even better is if she had an Asian boyfriend /husband and ate a lot of calamari.

>>13107582
Oh did you have certain expectations about the white walkers? Too bad son, they just got subverted.

>>13097840

any recommendations lads?

>>13108315
What are you looking for?

Read the Inda trilogy a while back, about to start this.
I hope it's a good read.

>>13108629
the artist has their handle... on a fucking book cover

>>13108361

jonathan Carroll/jumanji cartoon cross

>>13108629
Why does the vag on the cover look like meg from family guy's voice actress?

>>13108683
Is it triggering the /ic/ in you? want me to throw in a color wheel?

Any good underrated standalone fantasy/scifi books that are not talked about frequently? Can be part of a series if each book is standalone.

I'm more into classic and weird/urban fantasy, but I won't deny some good swords and magic fantasy. Haven't read enough scifi to know what I like, but I'm fond of cyberpunk and speculative science (like Dyson Spheres).

>>13106150
The Sorcerer's Son by Phyllis Eisenstein has a wholesome mother/son relationship,not incest though :(

>>13108762
Brian Aldiss - Helliconia books
Stephen Donaldson - Gap Cycle

>>13108762
Ironfoot by Dave Duncan

>>13108762

>>13108762
And this

>>13108762
This too. Enjoy.

>>13108878
too much smut on that one, doesn't fit with the rest.

>>13108878
>girl parts
>tfw no qt android gf
When will androids become a thing?

>>13108893
It's my 3.5-4 stars books that I read.

Wall of Text coming:
All You Zombies
The (sort of) Dark Mage
Sunset(Nightlord #1) (stop at this book)
Fimbulwinter
All Systems Red (The Murderbot Diaries #1)
Ancient Ruins (Ancient Dreams #1) (read this only)
The Big Over Easy by Jasper Fforde
Treason by Orson Scott Card
Tunnel in the Sky by Robert A. Heinlein
Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven
Fevre Dream by George R.R. Martin
The Man Who Fell to Earth by Walter Tevis
Legend by David Gemmell
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson
Girl Parts by John M. Cusick
Rivers of London by Ben Aaronovitch
Good Intentions by Elliott Kay (read this one only)
Something More Than Night by Ian Tregillis
The Trysmoon Saga by Brian K. Fuller
Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell
The Library at Mount Char by Scott Hawkins
Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein
The Time Machine by H.G. Wells
Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
The Iron Dragon's Daughter by Michael Swanwick
The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers
Metro 2033
Out of the Dark by David Weber
Johannes Cabal the Necromancer
Johannes Cabal by Jonathan L. Howard
Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
Rough Magick by Kenny Soward (rare book based on gnomes)

These are 3.5-4.5 stars and one 5 star. Mileage may vary. Enjoy

>>13108893
>too much smut on that one
Uhh.. I read some of those and there are like 3-4 smut books there tops. Wtf are you talking about meight? Are you memeing? Pretending to read again to fit in?

>>13108937
That's 4 too many. Smut is fine but only in it's own chart. Not mixed in with serious stuff.

>>13108860
>>13108863
>>13108878
Shit tastes.

>>13108951
Alright. What do you think of Lolita? Would you consider it smut?

>>13108951
Do you think this is smut?

>>13108965
No. Would you?

>>13108972
No idea, never read it.

I'm not sure what either of your points are. Are you trying to say books like Fimbulwinter or Good Intentions aren't simply smut?

>>13108916
What's the 5star?

>>13108898
Realistically not until a fully sapient AGI/"Strong AI" exists, and AIs are legally declared persons so they can have bodies obviously. Anything before that is just going to be about as braindead as Alexa and will be unable to provide any sort of fulfilling emotional relationship. you'd be one of those weirdos who buy realdolls.

Recently finished Fourth Mansions. Anything else like it?

>>13108762
Mirage by Louise Cooper
Godstalk by P. C. Hodgell
Deverry by Katherine Kerr
The Devil is Dead by R.A Lafferty
And Chaos Died... by Joana Russ

read this on a whim, because humans being the dangerous physical apex of the galaxy sounded interesting (I only know basic bitch sci fi like the Culture and Revelation Space, so if there's good shit out there, please point me in that direction)
I was not prepared for what I got, though it's my own fault
>humanity isn't the apex, it's just that alien thought that their athelete's world records were applied to the average human
>about some dinky little colony on a shit world with shit bird aliens
>far left talking points
>gender is a serious issue, part of humanity's sreason for colonising the stars was to get away from muh oppression
>babies are considered gender-neutral (as to not make anyone biased in how they act towards them) and can pick their own gender when older
>excerpt to show you the cancer:
Mrs Troughton helped Momma get the baby latched on and the howling stopped. "Good heart, clear lungs. Great instincts. I'd say you had nothing to worry about, at all." This last with a glare at Susan.
"Is there a name?"
"Wila," said Dad. "We'll let hir choose their own pronouns, later."
Susan only objected to that inside her head. This was a new world. There would be no gender narratives, either. None of old Earth's pollution. Not even the cultural pollution.

What trend will be next for fantasy?
What trend will be next for SciFi?

>>13109154
If I knew that I'd be writing it already to cash in.

>>13109154
Hopefully more incest

why do people say fantasy is dead

>>13109203
doesnt innovate anymore. its so formulaic and stale that going back to its root is considered a breath of fresh air.

>>13109203
>try to subvert expectations
>cynical retards bash it for muh subverted expectations
>try to stick to formula with a few twists
>muh fantasy tropes
it's a lose lose for fantasy writers

>>13108785
>>13108796
>>13109131

Thanks, the Helliconia books looks particularly interesting. I'll sure read that.

>>13108860
>>13108863
>>13108878

Haven't seen those charts yet, some fine books there. Thanks.

>>13109203

People keep reading stuff everyone says it's shit and then complain it's shit.

Granted, most of it is shit, but it's because of people who keep getting shit popular, not because there isn't an alternative. Catherynne M. Valente is a modern author with some quite good stuff to her name and I barely see her mentioned anywhere.

>>13108984
Lolita and king queen knave is smut. Lolita is loli smut, and king queen knave is mature woman smut. I fapped to both, being the sick fuck I am.

>>13108290

>>13109139
Why is chucky reaching for a turkey that was in the middle of a fortnite game?

>>13108248
>>13107562
How similar are the movies and the book anyway?
If I recall correctly the moves are not even an adaptation, right? They are ""inspired"" by the book?

>>13109154
Fantasy recently was litrpg, now isekei, next is wuxia and 1000 year old tree slaughter.
Some are doing isekei with litrpg, or wuxia ieskei with litrpg.

>>13109267
I don't mind subverted shit. I do hate cliche tropes though.

>>13109365
I'm the opposite

How is this book? I've beeb wanting to read something by GRRM but I refuse to read GoT because it's basically smut,

>>13108997
if it's not Lord of Light he's a bitch

>>13109444
Fervre Dream

I didn't like Lord of Light that much. It may have been a complete story, but for me it left too many questions about the setting unanswered.

>>13109481
questions like what? there were fucking demons that manifested as fire tornadoes that could possess people and a cloud of electrons that people could beam your "self" in and out of. you think zelazny knew how to build some shit like that? fuck no, it's imagination. you were told that it's there, imagine why.

>>13109459
Elaborate please.

kino confirmed?

>>13097840
>What book disappointed you the most?
Neuromancer. I kept seeing it praised, it sounded cool. And first part of the book was. But then we hit the space station with the people who "want to be like wasps but not really" and the AI that's annoying.
I liked the heist to go get the box with the other hackers personality, I enjoyed case getting surgery so that he can jack in, but the book tanked later on

>>13109619
It's compelling, because it's the only way I can see myself being satisfied with their release, but I think it's just gossip by some no-name who wouldn't know that shit anyways.

>>13109444
there's barely any sex in got compared to some actually sex-focused books, you just got memed by people who are shocked at the first sight of sexuality in fiction

>>13109481
>this is your brain on worldbuilding

What's with all the pishy charts in this thread?

>>13109975
It's just ol' whatshisface's charts. Making charts is hard.

>>13109975
charts on 4chan are useless, either no one reads them or they're filled with completely obvious picks

>>13110034
>filled with completely obvious picks
Isn't that sort of the point of charts though? For people who know nothing about a genre.

>>13110034
they're useless if they don't include brief descriptions of every book, like that divine comedy chart. otherwise, you're better off just typing in "good fantasy books" on google

>>13097840
Is there anything like Alien? With that feel like Giger gives.

>>13107141
Blood Song vs Tower Lord

What are some essential fantasy and science fiction books that a 28 year old virgin should read?

>>13110491
alien.

>>13110743
All of GOR.

>>13110768
>34 books
Jesus that's a lot of books, can I find them at Half Price Books?

/v/ is making fun of the Throne of Glass series again, when will the bullying stop?

>>13110777
libgen.

>>13110350
Then you make a chart and put a blurb for every fucking book. I suggested you books, it up to you to google the books if the name and cover catches your attention. I had to do the ground work by looking at blurbs, reviews, then reading them all, all you had to do is picking one.
If you want change, fucking make it yourself, and stop being a bitchboi who whines every time charts are brought up and no one adds an extra 3hrs putting in blurbs.

Whomever makes the new thread, don't forget the previous threads goes like this. >>13097948

>>13098745
Roadside Picnic

>>13109481
>but for me it left too many questions about the setting unanswered.
You are very retarded.

>>13109365
Subversion IS cliche by this point.

I've seen many people recommend the first few Dark Tower books while shunning the later ones, but are they really outright unreadable? Or are they still readable, but a letdown compared to the earlier ones?

New thread slave get to work.

>>13109315
>fapped to an old hag
Truly degenerate.

>>13111335
im sorry sir

>>13111180
Have we gone full circle already?
Have tropes been subverted enough times to create new, now overused tropes?

>>13097840
reading ship of destiny right now, Kennit is truly one of the most equally despicable and charismatic villains I've seen. Mad ship REALLY fucking puts in leg work winning you over to his side, leaving you lacking in viewpoints for him so you don't see his inner thoughts much, but fucking christ the guy is just irredeemably ruthless and insane inside as always.

Just the fucking best.

>>13111886
>endorsed by GURM

>>13111903
I never made it past the 4th book of ASOIAF if that means anything. Really did not care at all about a single character in the series, GRRM really goes out of his way to make everyone despicable and unlikable in some way and I just couldn't bear to read it much more.

Plus it was fucking boring and way too longwinded.

We are on page 9. Some new slave hurry up and don't fuck up the previous.
Or you could let it die and give me sweet release from this website please let it die

>>13111886
Mah nigga. Liveship Trilogy is heavily underrated.

>>13112040
I'd make one but I don't want to EMBED EMBED EMBED EMBED and embarrass myself so I'll just wait for someone else.

How does Silk factor into this?

>>13111886
Is this trilogy the one with the cute moms?

>>13112068
Use 4chanX and the "copy post" function there.

Fuck you new slave anon, you made like 3 threads and then stopped, I fuckng hate you I was going to retire, I hope you die.

>>13112090
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>>13112090
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