/lit/ - Literature

>>13105887
The Communist Manifesto of course. There can be no other.

>>13105887
Gravity's Rainbow

>>13105887
Are we limiting this to Fiction books? If so:

>Les Miserables
>anything written by Tolstoy
>Anything written by Charlotte Bronte
>1984
>Moby Dick (might want to find a book with the same themes that's easier to read to kids though)

>>13105887
The Book of Urizen by William Blake

>>13105915
No. I think any book would be alright.

>>13105887
The Bible, everything else is unnecessary

>>13105890
This desu, it baffles me that all the "updates" and "interpretations" are somehow infinitely worse than the OG.

Beyond Good and Evil and The Republic really fired my neurons when I was younger; if you want the tl;dr version, read Bloom's Closing of the American Mind. These days, Thucydides and Machiavelli.
In the distant mist of my childhood, I was really moved by Fahrenheit 451, Lord of the Flies, 1984, and A Canticle for Leibowitz.

>>13105994
Oh, and Ender's Game and A Wrinkle in Time, but those are kind of embarrassing. Persecution porn for nerds.

The Prince

The Bible.
Revolt Against the Modern World, Evola.
The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times, Guénon.
Technological Slavery, Kaczynski.
St. Petersburg Dialogues, de Maistre.

Lot of edgy stuff, but these books have had the most influence on my worldview so I don't see why I wouldn't recommend them.

>The Ethics
>Uncle Ted’s Collected Works
>The Absolute and its Property

>>13105887
Cosmos
A History of the World
Monism by Spinoza
Secret
Practical Ethics

>>13105996
the second on the ender series is actually quite philosophical

>>13105890
>>13105993
Hi newfriends. Please leave. We have developed immunity to the /pol/tards but you are really being very colonial right now.

>>13105887

>>13105887
>>13106025
inb4 bait
OP asked for a book for kids

>>13105887
>unironically using the word redpill
cringe and bluepilled

SIEGE

>>13105887
>The Prince
>candide
>the bible particularly New Testament
>Malcolm X autobio
>A Distant Mirror: the Calamitous 14th century
>Brave New World (dystopia fucking fight me)
>Animal Farm

>>13106062
He said a book you'd recommend to your kids. I'm hoping my kids get old enough and mature enough to understand big heady books.

>>13105887
My three are (unironically):
The State and Revolution by Lenin
The Occult Book by Greer
The Tao Te Ching

If your kid's a weird loner, give him Lord of the Flies. It speaks to loners without indulging their persecution fetish the way that Ender's Game/Harry Potter do.

>>13105887
i’ll limit mine to 3:
>The Holy Bible KJV
>Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals
>Das Kapital

>>13106170
I never saw myself as Harry tbqh. I more identified with the Weasleys. A strong family unit that bickered but loved each other and was open to loving outsiders, that was pretty much my irl family and I was all my life attracted to people who were introverted and cast off even though I was an extrovert.

>>13106174
I love you, friend

>>13105887
Anti-Tech Revolution. And also Technological Slavery

>>13106169
>Greer
I've always wanted a starting point into the occult that isn't just a bunch of /x/ bs.
Is this it?

>>13106025
>Practical ethics
>Book that unironically endorses infanticide and euthnasia for old
>for kids
Just feed him with some basic humanist ethics if you want to just fedora tip

>>13106262
You might enjoy Jacques Ellul

>>13105887
Culture of Critique

Pic related is the amalgamation of all the "based and redpilled" Traditionalist shit and "we live in a society" meme books, along with tech and media critiques from Lewis Munford to Neil Postman all in one book. Most of /lit/ here would nod along, but ordinary people would shit a break if they were to read any of the moderate to large sized chapters.

>>13106695
Seems interesting, gonna bookmark this.

Girard- Violence and the sacred
Lasch - The culture of narcissism
That Socratic dialogue where Socrates argues against proto-Nietzsche
A few introductory books on Lacan
Golding - Lord of the flies
Maybe Catch-22 and Ego and its own (no, seriously)

>>13106058
love this dude

>>13106725
Mm. Charles is very emotionally intelligent.

>>13105887
>history of universe
The principle of individuation by Duns Scot
Monadology by Leibniz
>natural history
Natural history by Buffon
>Human history
Anything Tacitus. Also anything from Ranke and Acton.
>a book on logic
Doctrine of science by Bolzano
Formal and transcendental logic by Husserl
>basic sciences
Too vast, but can't elude Euclid's elements.
>day to day life hacks
Everything Balthazar Gracia (the criticon in particular) and all life philosophy from Schopenhauer (the aphorisms).
>mental and physical practices
Unironically Strarting Strength (no homo).
>spirituality
The imitation of Jesus Christ

>>13105887
Summa Theologica

>>13107281
>The Imitation of Christ
Sanctifyingly based
>”Be not intimate with any woman, but generally commend all good women to God. Seek only the intimacy of God and of His angels, and avoid the notice of men.”

>not a single person has posted pic related

>>13106665
Read Ellul thoroughly. Read The Technological Society three times, but also read The Technological Bluff, Anarchy and Christianity, and Propaganda.

Kaczynski's works are simply superior on a number of levels, including logical precision, scientific rigor, cogency, the depth and breadth of the analysis, how systematized and comprehensive Kaczynski is, etc.

>>13106104
no

>>13107871
>philosophy of life
>kills innocents for fun
what did /pol/ mean by this?

>>13106160
>>13105915
>>13105994
Anyone who unironically reccommends Orwell ought to be shot.

On Liberty, Practical Ethics and Animal Liberation, Reasons and Persons

call me basic, call me right

>>13108006
is panpsychism based? im unfamiliar bar meme hippies

>>13105961
>>13106002
>>13106174
>>13107315
>>13107358
based

>>13107883
>fun
>greater good

>>13106002
is Revolt Against the Modern World better than Ride the Tiger?

>>13107855
Not him but I never got the impression that Kaczynski was deep or cogent from his manifesto.

It read like watered down Ellul and Ted's original contributions were the weaker parts of the manifesto (when he wasn't watering down Ellul he was watering down Nietzsche and Freud).

Steppenwolf
Jude the Obscure

>>13108053
It is "simpler", as in less complicated. Revolt Against the Modern World is rather similar to Rene Guenon's Crisis of the Modern World. It isn't better or worse, since it deals with different topics and different points of view. Ride the Tiger, on another note, can't be understood without his other works, most notably Revolt and the Hermetic Tradition. You can't just jump into a random book by Evola, they are, for the most part, interconnected.

>>13108047
>greater good is having germans colony in the est

>>13108080
I tried reading Ride the Tigger but the whole transcendence stuff felt like a boring autistic rambling. The beggining where he talks about Marx and Nietzsche was interesting though.

>>13108058
Steppenwolf is, unironically, an excellent recommendation for an adolescent. As is Demian, or basically any Hesse.

>>13108088
I had the same opinion since I was reccommended the same book by some apparently illiterate. A few years later I found a reading order for Evola and must now say I see him in a different light. He provides excellent points in refuting many modern accepted "scientific facts," for lack of a better word. His Metaphysics of Sex is a counter argument to Freud and the whole evolutionary bestial aspect as we are taught today, for example. While I don't agree with everything he wrote, he does provide unique insight into many subjects, differing vastly from what we think and believe today. You should start with simpler works, though. Mysteries of the Grail was spectacular to me, most of the book made little sense and seemed like, as you said, autistic rambling, but at some point it suddenly clicked and everything he said made perfect sense. You won't get that from Ride the Tiger, though, since the book is almost a sequel to most of his other works.

Give him a try, there are a few reading orders online easy to find. I'm certain, even if you disagree with him, that you will find his books to be very interesting and unique, to say the least.

>>13105887
Excluding the mention of any Holy books, the Incerto series from Nassim Taleb definitely

>>13105890
>>13105994
>>13106025
>>13106169
meme tier

>>13106002
>>13106006
>>13106262
teenagers who think kaczynski and evola are serious thinkers

>>13106025
>>13106174
>>13106720
>philosophycels

>>13105935
>>13105961
based and the only people in this thread who aren't embarrassing

>>13105887
Mein Kampf/thread

>>13108083
I mean, not my greater good, but to the SS, sure.

Take the blackpill

>>13108128
Thanks. I'll try that.

OP here. I should have made myself clear. I was asking for something akin to the Bible for you. Like a collection of books that would cover a vast array of topics that from natural history to ethics to practices like prayer, meditation, investment, and even lucid dreaming. Something that you would definitely teach your kids or your students.
a) A book on origins of the universe and Earth. Sort of a modern genesis.
b) A book or two about world history and your own history
c) A book or more on your own personal philosophy Existentialism, Humanism, Pantheism, Christianity, etc...
d) A book or more on law and ethics
e) A book on logic and scientific method or how to acquire knowledge
f) A book on practices that you would want to teach your kid from to invest to making friends to meditation to lucid dreaming
Stuff like 'damn I wished my parents taught me this when I was child instead of telling me to go to church'.

>>13108300
Get collections of essays and aphorisms I guess

>>13108300
>Stuff like 'damn I wished my parents taught me this when I was child
i.e. pure unadulterated wisdom that works in reality and helps survive materially, morally and spiritually in modern world
Taleb: Antifragile. Taleb smashes many assumptions widely accepted by intellectuals and experts. He shows that what matters is not being “right” but making sure you survive and are positioned to gain in a world we cannot predict and largely do not understand.

Also: What I learned losing a million dollars from Jim Paul taught me how to remove my emotionalism from the important everyday life decisions. (No matter how smart or intelligent someone is, letting emotions overrule your decision process had always undone the best men)

I hope OP just doesn't crave reccs for some esoterical pseud opium to lull his conciousness in his own farts.

>>13105915
>Tolstoy

>>13108089
You should recommend they read Demian before Steppenwolf though, since I did it the other way around and Demian felt like a warm-up to Steppenwolf.

They're basically the same story but for an adolescent and a middle-aged man, so it makes sense.

bump for interest

>>13105887
To start with:

The search for a new beginning
The next million years
The Prince
Beyond good and evil
The corpus Hermeticum
The chymical wedding of Christian - Rosenkreutz
Superstring theory vol 1
String theory vol 2

>>13108056
Well, maybe because the purpose of the manifesto was to lay out in very concise, simple terms, the entire anti-technology/pro-wilderness position so that it could be very easily accessible for a wide audience. That's why it's a manifesto!

The manifesto is just the tip of the spear, however. It rests on an enormous volume of research and thinking, and you can access this through Kaczynski's books, but also his essays held at University of Michigan.

>>13108392
Expand?

>>13105887
the Koran (no joking)
so that people learn, what Islam really teaches

>>13108083
Ruskies unironically would've lived better lives under German rule than the Judeo-Bolshevik one that they ended up with.

>>13105887
Imperium by Yockey

>>13109236
>believing in science in 2019
yikes department

>>13109236
>believing in science in 2019
yikes

>>13109733
You what?

Plato and Heidegger

>>13105887
yikes was it autism?

>>13110271
He means
>2019
>Thinking climate change deniers are science deniers and literal criminals

>>13110963
uh sweaty isnt the science more or less in support of man made climate change?

Emil Cioran, Kahlil Gibran, Antonio Negri, Nietzsche, Maurice Blanchot, and Rob Plath.

>thread about “redpill core”
>no mention of the man whose work inspired the movie that created the concept of redpill/bluepill

>iliad not even mentioned once
wew

I'll treat this as the sort of books that I would like to pass on to my kids and have them read over and over again. Not only to make them good people, but so they can understand who I am too. I'll try to be bare minimum.

The Trivium - Sister Miriam Joseph
The Complete Works of Plato
Conversations of Socrates - Xenophon
A Consolation of Philosophy
Complete Works of Seneca
The Discourses of Epictetus
On Moral Ends - Cicero
The Thought of Thomas Aquinas - Brian Davies
Five Proofs - Edward Feser
Basic Economics and the The Vision of the Anointed - Thomas Sowell
The History of Rome - Livy
The Book of Genesis commentary by Scott Hahn

The Kreutzer Sonata
War and Peace
Dracula
Earth Abides
A Canticle for Leibowitz
A Tale of Two Cities
The Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion

>>13106002
Gross

>>13108189
>the bible
Imagine being an adult and believing in the Jewish zombie skydaddy. I’d be embarrassed, anon. I don’t know how you do it.

>>13108053
I'm unsure if I'd say that RAMW is better than Ride the Tiger, but it is definitely the most complete and comprehensive of Evola's books. I forget which commentator said this, perhaps it was Stucco, but he called RAMW the best gateway into Evola's works. I agree with this since it has a summary of all his fundamental ideas and deals with both political and esoteric subjects, as opposed to just one or the other. It's also probably 3-4x longer than Ride the Tiger. I would recommend it over Ride the Tiger just because it's considered Evola's magnum opus.

>>13111286
Fag

Best book E V E R!!!

>>13111397
lol

>>13105887

>>13106160
I feel that Candide is a book I will reread every five years or so until I die.

>>13106720

>That Socratic dialogue where Socrates argues against proto-Nietzsche

Which one is it ?

>>13110963
I don't think that

>>13112439
I believe it's Gorgias. Callicles is the proto-Nietzsche.

>>13107281
Most Based list here. Add meister eckhart sermons too the spirituality and das me sister

>>13111352
Your mom

>>13106170
Also helps explain what is going on if they are in a shit school system. Great rec.

>>13109606
Most of them would be dead

>muh commie jews
No.

>>13107883
>kills innocents for fun
We'll put them all on Madagascar, it will work this time.

>>13108357
the only non-brainlet, less-pseud post
/thread

>>13107883
The Nazis didn't kill anyone for fun. It was all business.

Any roman-fleuve I've read:
The Magic Mountain
The Divine Comedy
Ulysses
Finnegans Wake
Savage Detectives
2666
The Tale of Genji
as well as
A New Man's Guide to Science, Asimov
After Babel, George Steiner
L'Arrache-cœur, Boris Vian
Peter Camenzind, Hesse
Biblioteca personal, Borges

>>13105996
enders game had a great setup to talk about the morality of sacrificing a few individuals to serve the collective, but ruined it by going into some shitty loving your enemy so you can kill him bullshit. it them had a chance to salvage it by talking about the idea of going native and empathizing with the ones youre supposed to hate but it ended up just being some shitty colonialism and useless tech.

>>13106160
you need to prepare your kids for the prince, make sure theyre good at acting like a productive member of whatever groups they are in.

>>13108258
why was kafka so cute?

>>13113120
Hitler didn't want to genocide slavs/russians, moron.
Read Table Talks.

>>13115267
>Hunger Plan
>50% casuality rates among prisonners
>Slavs being placed at the bottom of the feeding priority list
>polish men being used as slave in germany and dying in awful condition
>plans of massive colonisation of the east by german farmers

He may not have planned to kill them but he certainly didn't mind killing them en masse.

Bob Dylan's collected works

Alan Watts

>>13115512
the singer?

>>13115512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=893haB95pL0&feature=youtu.be&t=7m0s

>>13107281
>Buffon
interesting choice

>>13110976
No, opinions are very diverse

>>13111318
based retard

War & Peace
The Book of the New Sun
The Space Trilogy

>>13108189
>Ted and Evola are for teenagers, Bible is for thinking adults

>>13117068
Literary genius.
Kept me interested in horse liver and insect cock through sheer force of style. The drawings are the peak of naturalistic art with no competition making Audubon look like anime fanart.
The real unabridged complete set is expensive though (you'll find some 'original' standard edition from Lacepede 1799 going for 3k euro bucks or late 19th century ones for half of that). Inherited it from my grandfather. But you can find good selected parts for cheap. I don't know the quality of anglo translations (I know it's a classic with literary grade translations in Italian and German though).

>>13105887
The Philokalia
The Bible
Kierkegaard
Seraphim Rose
Some Greek stuff is okay, Plato, Socrates, Plotnius, have some merit.

Guenon, Evola, Ted K., Hitler, Heidegger, Hegel have some merit, nothing out of the ordinary.

My beliefs are just traditional values, metaphysical truths that don't change.
Thou shalt not steal, kill, murder, etc.
Lust is a sin, porn is degenerate.
Abortion is murder, no exceptions.
Theocratic monarchy is best government when it's Christian and enforces Christian values and norms.

>>13110976
It really depends on what you mean. The science™ is definitely in support of the concept that there is a non-zero anthropogenic influence on climate change. How much and effective methods of quantification are all over the place in terms of opinion and interpretation of data. The main issues are this obsession with carbon emissions (which are important to a degree but significantly less important ecologically than the obscene amount of plastic generated and polluted into the oceans), and the fact that "green technology" is essentially a pyramid scheme that relies on people being ill informed to operate.

>>13107984

Why do you hate Orwell so much?
>inb4 reddit
That's not an argument

Probably some occult manual. Magic Simplified, Initiation into Hermetics, One Year Manual; something like that.
LARPing as a wizard aside, most occult workbooks touch upon very fundamental principles that are for whatever not taught anywhere else. How to train the faculties of concentration, relaxation, mental discipline/willpower, etc.

>>13119382
Can you name one that's helpful for training the stuff you named but not 2spooky/magikal?

>>13119600
I would recommend you check out the books I already mentioned and simply skip over things that are too fantastical for your own tastes. Most of them are structured in such a way that all the fundamental practice stuff is in the first couple of chapters, so you can simply stop reading after a certain point anyway.
Apart from the books mentioned, Liber MMM is a booklet that is also worth checking out.
I recommend you just peruse through all of them (all these books are easily found online) and get a feel for what's practically. Fundamentally all these practices are more or less the same, they're just described and framed differently; it's up to you to find something that clicks.

Heidegger's basic writings, especially The Origin of the Work of Art

>>13119129
His writing is low quality, if he had an at least somewhat expanded vocabulary he could cut his books in half. His books are of the same comprehension as the Three Little Pigs.
His stories and ideas are just regular tyranny taken to a ridiculous level, yet he wrote as though he genuinely believed that the future would or could be like that. Take 1984, for example. At every point where any reasonable person would say "this is retarded, it's impossible to even achieve this" you get "we have crushed people's basic instinct for resistance" and "we are, with an extremely small ministry, spying constantly, and looking for even the slightest sign, including fucking blinking, on every single person in the entire supernation." He seems to have forgotten to list the fourth ministry: the ministry of magic because that would be the only way to even achieve that kind of totalitarian dictatorship.
The few good ideas that exist, such as language being intentionally simplified to simplify its users, has been explained in the way you would expect a five year old to. You could say it's just an exaggeration to get the point across, but it doesn't excuse the fact that his own writings feel like an intentional simplification of the mind.

Imagine if you read literally any other book, and for everything that seems impossible you get an explanation along the lines of "it's magic brah lmao". You would find the book absolutely retarded. Yet people hold Orwell to a different standard, because muh dystopia or whatever.

If anyone thinks anything even remotely like 1984 could ever happen, or have anything beyond the horror in the communist nations, read The Rape of the Mind by Joost A.M. Meerloo. Or, you know, read a history book on literally any tyrannical regime ever. Or, use your brain and think whether people would stand for that shit. And I don't care what reddit likes, as you can see that wasn't the source of my disdain.

>>13120435
Thanks, i'll check em out!

>>13120627
>Or, use your brain and think whether people would stand for that shit.
People stand for worse shit. I have no idea how much koolaid the average north korean has drunk but it's not inconceivable that enough surveillance and antidepressants would allow a regime with a sufficient understanding of human psychology and enough generations of control to put something together which you think is ridiculous and impossible.

>>13120692
M8, read the book. NK pales in comparison to 1984, hell the USSR almost collapsed whenever it ran out of food. In the end it collapsed simply because people got sick of it, and that was with a fraction of surveillance and terror of Orwell.
And on another note, Asians have always been insects who can't be compared to Europeans. They have always lived they way they do now.

>>13105887
Plato’s Dialogues

>>13120627
in the future it will be possible to build a totalitarian state about as nightmarish as 1984, as technological automation, facereq, massive self-ordering databases etc. become increasingly automated and sophisticated.

you may not even need to have a human holding the gun at the end. the whole system could move through it's traitor identification --> sentencing --> death OODA loop by itself.

the real thing that prevents human societies from becoming so overtly dystopian is that it's not very competitive to have half of your people watching the other half- any society that faces external competition will be destroyed by a more cohesive, more cooperative society before it reaches the insane levels of 1984.

however, that is where the "phony war" between oceania and eastasia comes in- since the war is probably not real there is no impetus for change, and oceania is perfectly safe from external threats and has the patriotic justification for it's war against it's own citizens.

if you think places like china are really that far from 1984 you have not been paying attention. we will see technology that is capable of maintaining a 1984 level of surveillance & control (or even worse) in the next 30 years, i guarantee it.

>>13120720
>NK pales in comparison to 1984
>hell the USSR almost collapsed whenever it ran out of food
So when planning your dictatorship try to avoid running out of food. Iirc in 1984 people aren't starving to death. So that's already one major selling point that makes me think many north koreans would rather live in oceania.

>it collapsed simply because people got sick of it, and that was with a fraction of surveillance and terror of Orwell
Maybe they should have tried having more surveillance and terror.

>Asians have always been insects who can't be compared to Europeans
Nigger your ancestors got bought and sold along with their patch of dirt and they didn't even have surveillance stopping them from running away.

>>13120768
>>13120787
If you have a totalitarian state with the state NOT using it to push retarded ideas such as banning love then people won't give a shit about it. Take the West for example: NSA has the ability to spy on everyone, yet people aren't terrified - what's more they joke about it.

Cold War was a phony war as well. how did that work for the Eastern bloc? They even got POWs to "admit" to various Western sabotages in the Communist lands, such as the "confession" of a US pilot that the US was spraying poison on Chinese farm fields, effectively shifting the blame from their retarded policies leading to famines.

More surveillance and terror FOR retarded ideas suppressing basic instincts WILL only accelerate. People become numb, and begin to see the risk of death as a fair price for the possibility of having their own thoughts.

Our ancestors had to pay 10% tax to whoever took turns controlling them. Even if there were spies and surveillance programs in the day, people wouldn't have cared as long as they were left to live their lives, much like the West today, as previously stated. People don't give a shit about surveillance, people play along the games of the big rulers, people simply don't care as long as they have at least a certain degree of autonomy. Surveillance or no surveillance, if you declare thoughts or emotions or anything of the like, no amount of blackmail and killer robots will save you. Tyranny can only work on minorities in a nation. Jews, Ukrainians, political dissidents, take your pick. Communist nations are aware of this, so they pick political dissidents to serve as examples. If you support the state, you get rewarded with more autonomy, and with that you get people to support you. This is why people support the ruling party for so long, as long as they get independence in return. Remove that, and people no longer see a reason not to simply have your head. Just don't persecute for something EVERYONE does. Imagine Xi Jinping banning drinking water. Do you think he will live for another 24 hours? This is the issue with Orwell.

>>13118609
Ted and Evola ARE for teens though, the Bible is boomer tier instead of for teens though.
Good books (mostly) but not something to base a worldview on.

Tao Te Ching

>>13119129
>Be Orwell.
>"Hey guys, I'm a bigtime socialist like you guys."
>Great ideological struggle between socialism and capitalism starts developing.
>"I know, I'll start writing anti-socialist propaganda so we can help improve socialism"
>The West uses your anti-socialist propaganda as anti-socialist propaganda.
>Act surprised.
Same for Camus, it's one of the main reasons why he and Sartre had a falling out. Because Sartre realised there was an ideological battle going on and any disagreements should only be held internally to stop Capitalists from appropriating it as anti-socialist propaganda.

>>13121163
And guess what, Sartre was proven right. Who could've seen that one coming?

What is Propertarianism? by Curt Doolittle, when it's finished and not a blog post anymore tho

Call it boomer or whatever but this book is what my value system is all about. Culture is all that matters, the traditions, values, ideas, and habits of society. Everything else is secondary.

>>13121163
Ideologues like you are the worst. This is just pure black and white thinking, to point where honestly pointing out flaws or criticizing your own beliefs is discouraged. This is why socialism as a whole is dead in the water, with socialists making the same mistakes they've always made and not learning a damn thing. Allowing an evolution in your beliefs would be an admission that you were previously wrong and we can't have that. It's much better to stagnate in the face of the enemy.

>>13121061
>If you have a totalitarian state with the state NOT using it to push retarded ideas such as banning love then people won't give a shit about it. Take the West for example
Dunno if that's true. People at least believe if things got too bad voters could change it. While they believe this they're willing to put up with more since they're not scared secret police might eventually take them away in the night. It might be easier to fake a democracy but the tradeoff is you do get less control.

>Cold War was a phony war as well.
Using a war for propaganda doesn't make it a phony war. Admittedly I don't actually understand what would happen if the USSR "lost". The US would control all the oil and ruin their economy, I guess?

>More surveillance and terror FOR retarded ideas suppressing basic instincts WILL only accelerate.
China terrorized people for retarded ideas back in the day and is still around. They did have to tone down the retardation but that might only be because they started starving.

>Our ancestors had to pay 10% tax to whoever took turns controlling them.
Some of them were literal cucks to whoever was controlling them. And forcing them to work your fields isn't bad when you don't have to give anything back (dunno whether 10% was correct somewhere). In modern societies you have to deal with welfare and shit. You need to leave your slaves enough time to not starve.

Like the other guy said all your historical arguments are also dependent on the conditions of the time. Advancing surveillance, chemical behavior modification, educational control, lack of real external threat, etc probably helps the people in power.

>>13121242
Why do you people quote and respond to individual sentences like this? It's not hard to make it known exactly what point you're responding to when responding to a post with multiple points. It's more enjoyable to read when you talk like a human who graduated high school.

>>13121275
>In high school i learned to try to beautify my prose instead of taking one second to make it effortlessly clear what ideas are being exchanged for what reason
Fag

>>13121303
Who are you quoting? Don't be an idiot.

Lolita

My pill was cyberpunk literature, which can't really be distilled into one work or codified into a single philosophy. I like Fanged Noumena though I don't consider acceleration to be the real successor

>>13121242
For 70 years they avoided direct conflict and just used excuses to sell weapons. Nukes aren't an excuse as we can remember Iraq "having" them prompting the US to go all in.

Tech helps prolong their rulership, not guarantee it. We have thousands of experiences of people revolting when they get fed up and 2 where they don't - yet. It does depend on the people as well, and history shows Asians are far more willing to tolerate bullshit compared to Europeans. Look up Qing, and then look up American revolution. Totalitaria isn't exactly dystopia to the Easterners.

If you fight chemically against people's instincts, it will no longer make them people. If you can remove the desire for freedom, you can remove the desire for domination, bringing everyone back to square one. Forcing education down people's throats that conflict basic nature backfires, example being Weimar and, soon, the West. Cold wars were never real wars, and the current US/CH/RU is just global fearmongering to sell weapons. Remember US in Syria last year? How did that end?

In any case, we will know if Orwell was right soon enough. It was a good convo, given me a few new insights.

Don Quijote, Tragic Sense of Life, and the Bible

>>13121233
>I refuse to read the whole comment and instead will puke out some worthless drivel that I heard Peterson say once.

>>13121233
Not to even mention that what killed socialism was certainly not the fact that socialist projects were criticised from within, that's the very reason why 'leftists infighting' is a meme you fucking bellend.

>>13121728
'Not to even mention that what killed socialism was certainly not the that socialist projects weren't being criticised from within' was what I meant to say.

>>13105993
Because all the "updates" made Communism about "everyone being equal" even though it originally started out as an anti-egalitarian traditional movement.

>>13121768
Barring 14-18 year old anarchists nobody on the far left is arguing for some kind of pic related society.