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Is there any ancient philosophical/theological literature regarding "agricultural traditionalism".

A symbiosis between Man and Earth.

I'm going to be a subsistence farmer in a few years (I Mean it!), and I'm looking for a school of thought to subscribe my life to so I don't have to worry about existence and stuff. Like a religion but for farmers who want to protect the earth and plants and animals.

I've read the Bible and the Greeks but it all seems too abstracted and removed from nature for a simple farmer like ME. I really do love Jesus, though.

Does eastern thought have what I'm looking for?

Perhaps a Dionysus but in the eyes of Gene Logsdon and Fukuoka.

/blogpost

>> No.13089382

>>13089359
Not sure about philosophy right off hand, but I have a few poets for you:
Read Hesiod's Works and Days
Also Virgil's Georgics

If you're interested in a more recent author, read Wendell Berry. He's written many poems and essays on self-reliance and responsible management of the land. +

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Also interested

>> No.13089392

Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus

>> No.13089462

>>13089392
Ok, I will read it.
>>13089382
Yes, Hesiod is a good choice.
I haven't read any Virgil outside of the Aenid. I will read that poem, thanks.

Have you read Logsdon? His books tend to be more technical rather than poetic, but I really like his philosophical bits. It Berry has stated him as an influence before. The Contrary Farmer is probably my favorite modern book and has had a great influence on me.

>> No.13089502

have sex

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>>13089359

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>>13089508

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>>13089359
All esoteric knowledge of agrarianism is synthesized and comprehended within Aryanism.

http://aryanism.net/politics/economics/agrarianism/

>> No.13089642

>>13089627
>agrarianism
Thanks, that's the word I was looking for.
Do you recommend any primary texts?

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>>13089627
>Numen

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>>13089642
>Do you recommend any primary texts?
Not anything beside the texts of the authors that can be found via the website link that I posted.

>> No.13089754

Read some Arne Næss

And growth of the soil by Hamsun

>> No.13089765

bump

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>>13089754
>Hamsun
Ya it's good.
I'll look into Næss.
>>13089744
Have you actually read any of those authors? I don't want to waste my time sifting through some random internet blog.

>> No.13089858

Labour Zionism

>> No.13090042

Grant Wood's "Revolt Against the City"

>> No.13090070

>>13089359
agriculture is for slaves

>> No.13090109

>>13090070
Back to your cage in 8 hours wagie

>> No.13090184

>>13089359

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries

Not a lot of information though, to make anything substantial out of it. Though apparently the last mystery was just the bare fact of agriculture.

There is so much to choose from, you can't really find an ur-tradition.
Since every group that learned to farm, has formed a metaphysic concerning it.Though it was much more immanent and less symbolic, e.g. you appease the god to help the grain grow etc.

You could straight up make up your own simple system. And if you want to be real OG about it, find out which agrarian related gods were worshiped in the lands you will be cultivating, and worship them, learn about the ways this was done, if you can't, then its quite simple and intuitive to develop ritual concerning it. You could always go to the earliest source and become a Sumerian larper.

>> No.13090328

>>13089359
Don't waste your time reading outdated archaic shit like these head-in-ass anons are suggesting. Look into the works of Murray Bookchin and Peter Kropotkin.

>> No.13090470

>>13089359
Wendell Berry

>> No.13090477

>>13089359
agriculture was the downfall convergence point.

>> No.13090530

>>13089359
As a subsistence farmer you won't need a philosophy from outside. It'll be enough for you to work, feel the rhytm of the seasons and see your children grow.

You will have a lot of time to think during work anyway.

>> No.13090551

>>13089359
The Physiocrats

>> No.13090562

Thomas Jefferson surely wrote something on agrarianism
>>13090477
based and Tedpilled

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>>13089359
>I'm going to be a subsistence farmer in a few years (I Mean it!)

>> No.13091927

>>13090328
Ok, I will
>>13090477
Doesn't mean it shouldn't be practiced conservatively today.
>>13090635
I'm accumulating the capital as we speak.
Save 50k, buy land, work summers for a few years while I prepare my land, then I'm a farm until I die.

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>>13091927
>Save 50k, buy land, work summers for a few years while I prepare my land, then I'm a farm until I die.
dumb 18 years old zoomer who don't know anything about life yet

>> No.13092133

>>13089359

Wendell Berry wrote some shit that will interest you. As did Wallace Stevens.

>>13089839
Hamsun and Naess are both good for sure.

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>>13092126
I'm 20 and live with my grandma and I have more sheckles in my piggy bank than you

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Agriculture philosophy is fucking dumb. Just read botany stuff. Understand how plants behave, think, feel, and so on then you can grow them optimally.

>> No.13093237

>>13089665
>Numen
IMDB cites Newman

>> No.13093238

Stewardship of Creation is a Biblical imperative.

>> No.13093315

Coming home to the Pleistocene, Paul Shepard

>> No.13093859

"Cato the elder: On old age" by Cicero
>Now I come to the pleasures of farming. These give me an unbelievable amount of enjoyment. Old age does not impede them in the least, and in my view they come closest of all things to life of true wisdom. The bank, you might say, in which these pleasures keep their account is the earth itself. It never fails to honour their draft; and, when it returns the principal, interest invariably comes too - not always very much, but often a great deal.
>But what delights me is not only the product, but the productivity and nature of the earth herself. First, the scattered corn-seed is taken within her soft, subjugated lap. For a time it remains hidden - occaecatum is our word, from which comes occatio, harrowing. Then, warmed by the moist heat of her embrace, the seed expands and brings forth a green and flourishing blade. Supported by the fibres of its roots, this blade gradually matures. Within its sheath it stands firm upon a jointed stalk; this is its adolescent stage. Then, bursting out from the sheath, the blade puts forth the ears of corn, the ordered rows of grain with their palisade of spikes porotecting them from the beaks of the smaller birds of the sky.
>To give an account of the vine - itse beginnings, its cultivation, its expansion - would be out of place here. But I must tell you that this is the recreation and satisfaction of my old age: my delight in the vine is insatiable. First, a general point, which I pass over briefly. In every product of the earth there is an inborn power. This is the power by which a minute fig-seed, or a grape-stone, or the tiniest seeds of any crop or root, are transformed into vast trunks and branches. Cuttings of vines or trees, young twigs springing from a branch, plants formed by dividing roots and lodging an unsevered shoot - who could fail to be amazed and delighted by the products that emerge from these? The natural disposition of vines is to fall to the earth; but give them a prop, and they will embrace it with hand-like tendril to raise themselves aloft. Far and wide they twist and turn, until the farmer´s skilful knife lops them in case they turn to wood and spread too luxuriantly.

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>"He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth; And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart."
>Psalm 104:14-15
Cicero continued:
>When spring has started, the branches that have been left on a vine put forth their buds at every joint, and these buds are transformed into freshly growing grapes. At first very bitter to the taste, the moisture of the earth and the rays of the sun mature them, so that they sweeten to ripeness, wrapped round by young foliage which tempers the heat and keeps away the too powerful rays of the sun. What could be more delicious to the taste or more attractive to the eye?
>Nor, I repeat, is the usefulness of the vine all that delights me. There is also the the manner of its cultivation and the very nature of the vine itself; the rows of stakes, the joining of the vine-tops to trellises, the tying down of the shoots, their propagation by slips; as well as the pruning of certain branches, such as I have already mentioned, and the liberation of others.

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>>13093859
>>13093868
Based

>> No.13095066

Industrial Society and its Future

>> No.13095094

>>13089508
What is this book like? The cover looks cool.
The synopsis of it is pretty vague.

>> No.13095336

>>13089665
hello, jerry