/lit/ - Literature

>>13087233
to pass in glory?

You think life gonna shoot me down? I'll show middle finger to life itself ha-ha

>>13087233
It's just fun

>>13087233
That's the point.

Why are you implying that only what lasts forever has value

Its passing is the only thing that gives it weight

>>13087233
The Principle of Sufficient Reason, which determines the coming and going of all things, is nothing more than artifact of the eternal Will which objectifies itself in all things

this moment is unique.
what you ask is a matter of approach.
nihilists say there is no point.
optimists say there is a point.
nihilist faces himself and says, "so then where do I even start?'
optimist faces himself and says, "then I will start here."
consciousness just is.

>>13087233
Why does it need a point?

>>13087282
This. In a world where nothing passes everyone would be like "Whats the point if nothing passes"

everything passes, but the important things reverberate further forward into the future. including the important human connections you have made in your life. that harmony will spread outwards to others. maybe people people wont know your name, but you still made the world a better place. and that's something worth caring about.

nothing passes, kiddo

>>13087233
i don't pass
t. 24 y/o mtf

>>13087390
Truly enlightened post.

>>13087233
What kind of a "point" are you looking for? Every purpose is a reason. "The purpose of a screw is to fasten" means nothing but "screws were made to fasten." Why were you "made"?

>>13087274
This

Why is this nonsense-ass mental leap so common?

>>13087233

>MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY

>>13087447
Why do transitory things have value?

>>13087233
Christianity is literally constipation pornography.

>>13087511
Because they are transitory.

>>13087233
God does not pass. Rest in God, and know eternal life.

>>13087545
What makes you think the existence of God also guarantees us the right to eternal life?

>>13087511
Same reason anything has value- people value them

>>13087565
Lol. I guess that's fair.

>>13087233
the infinite is scarier than death

>>13087511
Infinity would have infinite value. You value your life because its short. If there wasn't time of expiry - then why indeed invest now, when you can invest later. Limited lifespan ain't like that. Value is a finite metric.

>>13087447
I suspect people derive it from "my life doesn't matter, because no matter what I do, there's no lasting impact" feeling most people have. Cosmopolitan alienation. And they're correct for the most part, 99% people are now irrelevant from the perspective of the system. Pick any one out of that 99% and kill em, and it won't matter whether they ever lived, some random person can easily take their place.

Uniformity reduced practical value of human life to near zero because almost everyone is so easily interchangeable.

>>13087597
Am I wrong in thinking it solely depends on the context? It's why nihilism has spread, the context is a meaningless materialistic world where humans are but a very intelligent phase. I could find value outside that context though.

>>13087267
LIES

>>13087420
Based self-hating poster.
>>13087511
suppository.

>>13087668
It indeed depends on perspective. Subjectively from your perspective, your life has value as potential you slowly waste to accomplish something of note. Objectively, you actually doing that is near zero. The nihilism of objective viewpoint is disembodiment from Self - "statistically, i amount to nothing". The paradox is that if everyone did that, everyone gave up on their tiny potential, then everything would halt. The truth is that your life has value, but in grand scheme fairly miniscule one. A single cell can just KYS one day, no big deal. If all cells did that, there would be no body. Rounding down the tiny value to zero is thus a cop out, and against the nature of life itself. Life is a meatgrinder where the 99% lose, but they still must try for there to be the 1% to succeed.

>>13087697
Are you telling me I need to take a shit?

>>13087286
That's not what it is. PSR is that there's a reason for everything that exists, even the things we don't yet know.
Read Spinoza dummy

>>13087698
How does it have value? It seems to me in the grand scheme, such as that of nihilism, it has no value. No achievement has value. That's the issue. But not mine since I'm a monist of sorts.

>>13087749
>muh ratio sive causa
NOPE. Schop discusses the Sephardi of Amsterdam at length in Fourfold Root. Maybe you should read that.

>>13087267
gay
>>13087241
good

>>13087559
Where did I suggest a guarantee? Where did I suggest a right to it? We are born in sin. Nothing we have is deserved except suffering and death. But God so loves us that he offered up his only son to wash away our sin, that we might know him and know eternal life.

>>13087787
Lasting achievements have enormous value because those itself would are rare and have profound impact on future. If you killed einstein, you'd postpone nuclear physics, by say, 20 years. Now you reduced living standards of all people in that 20 year window, and those reduced standards made them produce less achievements .. and this projects up to infinity. The difference made by Einsteins death would be possibly felt even 10000 years later.

Of course this definition is sort of into-future forwarding recursion, but that's not problem - all definitions of value are ultimately recursive (it has value now only because it has value at some point future too).

And if 50% of people prior to Einsteins birth would KYS, chances are his parents would be among them. This is why nihilism is nonsensical in its reduction of individuals value. The individual value is miniscule indeed (you're very unlikely to produce vast-impact accomplishment), regardless, there is some potential. You can't just round it down.

>>13087512
I personally don't think so but whatever
That's all your imagination your knowledge of humanity and a feel for 2k years history yields? Pity if so
But I don't believe it
Constrained.. shitposting's dangerous, senpai

>>13087826
One could argue that "so what, things got delayed by 20 years". But then it becomes Zenos turtle. Real nihilism would be infinite procrastination, nothing would be ever done. Reduced this way, nihilism is simply in favor of non-being of all intelligent life practicing industrial progress.

Of course you can ask "why industrial species need to exist in the first place?". And that's probably good question, whats the point for intelligent life to struggle? Dunno. Maybe it's more fun than grey goo bacteria multiplying with no higher aspirations than dumb copies of itself?

>>13087233
"I will never leave the house;
this night shall be my final night."
"O thou old dreamer of life and death,
come to the grave, that I may see you."
But it seems to me that these verses were written as the object of pity - in a word, as a tribute to the dead. They seem at first sight to relate to the lost soul, but more particularly for us to look for consolation in the sad sad death of the living.
It is difficult to define here how it all happened. When a man, the age of the poet seems to be nearly three hundred years, passes over into the next world, we may suppose that the time he leaves will be very short. In these last years it is very rare for him to die. When it happens he is quite conscious of this circumstance.
When he comes to life again afterwards he is still conscious of his old age,

>>13087911
Well yeah. The issue appear with this supposed great achievements. Thats when people start asking 'What's the point... Even if I do something revolutionary, its meaningless. At one point, it will disappear.' This world is treated as a fake one, an ilusory one.
Fun is truly where it is. Not hedonistic fun, at least not strictly, but a kind of spontaneous, free fun.

>>13087233
Same reason you made this thread.

>>13087823
That's a hell of a leap. You've gone from claiming God is an example of the eternal which gives meaning to existence, to all this loaded terminology. God has a son? Born in sin? What do you mean by sin? Do you have any proof for all this besides (presumably) an old book written by some utterly fallible Jews and assorted other Roman subjects? If not, why do you choose to believe that specific book over all the other ones, particularly in light of the errors and inconsistencies it's been found to have over the years? I'll believe all this stuff when Almighty God makes it clear He exists, and if he tells me the Bible is the correct sacred text, even better. Til then, why should I?

>>13087951
I think the best part is that subjective nihilism is perfectly ok. Especially if it becomes self-evident you'll be no einstein, nor his father (you are old and demented). Your tiny potential is nearly exhausted, you have nothing to pass on to younger generation, and living is only pain.

Frankly, limited form of nihilism would probably have positive outcome if anybody above 60 or so would just KYS if they think they have nothing going for em. Newton obviously didn't - he was lucid to the very end. But vast majority ain't like that, and suffer because of silly survival instinct which produces nothing but suffering for them, but also everyone else (by consuming resources).

>>13087233
Almost there friend. If everything passes nothing passes. Nothing is lost because there is nothing to lose. It's all gonna happen one way, and the way is unchanging. You aren't here to make a point, the point has already been made.

>>13087333
are you the same faggot responding with "This." in every fucking thread? please go back!

>>13087233
To reproduce

>>13088044
This.

Þæs ofereode,
þisses swa mæg.

>>13087233
“And there is no question that we are preoccupied by dying. But why? It is because when we die, we leave behind not only the world but also death. That is the paradox of the last hour. Death works with us in the world; it is a power that humanizes nature, that raises existence to being, and it is within each one of us as our most human quality; it is death only in the world - man only knows death because he is man, and he is only man because he is death in the process of becoming. But to die is to shatter the world; it is the loss of person, the annihilation of the being; and so it is also the loss of death, the loss of what in it and for me made it death. As long as I live, I am a mortal man, but when I die, by ceasing to be man I also cease to be mortal, I am no longer capable of dying, and my impending death horrifies me because I see it as it is: no longer death, but the impossibility of dying.”
― Maurice Blanchot

>>13088013
Thats when life actually becomes fun, friend. When you see youre useless, you stop caring. You stop doing things just to achieve and you do them because they are fun. Its more complex than that I think, but simply imagine your world crashing. The sky fell, the heavens fell. What happens? Everything is new, unknown again.

>>13088090
Well, it's a subjective fun for some, I guess - perhaps for those who perceived "accomplish something" as a burden their whole life was stopping them from having fun. But if we talk objectively, I don't see it. And even subjectively, people seem tormented with their inability to fulfill the burden (the need to feel useful, take pride in service/work etc), rather than the burden existing as such.

The boomer who truly has nothing left to pass on can have his subjective boomer fun, but objectively he's truly redundant now - just a drag on resources, objectively standing in the way ever so slightly by consuming resources otherwise available to those who can do something with it.

Think old skin cell apoptosing just to make room for young one.

>>13088139
Its because they continue to live in that world. Its when they go full hobo or shaman or understand whats going on that a conclusive shift happens.
The world is ilusory to me. Always was. I cant help it. Ive always had trouble of believing this was real. Its all just set up like that. Life, death, materialistic world, cartesian dualism, etc. Its all bs. Take the tao, hindu, the One, Spinoza, whatever the fuck else monist pill I did. Its more tolerable now and I enjoy things much more. Philosophy is for the ill.

>>13087233
The point is that everything passes.

>>13087966
Sure, let me just rewrite the entire dialogues of Christian thinkers for you. God has made it quite clear. You should care, because it is true. You should care, because nothing can possibly matter more than the author of creation. If you aim at the truth, if you aim at the eternal, why would you settle for anything less?

>>13088231
Sure convinced me mate. In light of your stellar defense of God, I've decided to become a Muslim. Multiple wives sure sounds fun, and hey, it's God's Will right?

>>13088299
Why do even bother with sarcasm? There was nothing I could have said or written to convince you. Your mind was made up before you even read my first post. Let me just suggest that if you want to be taken seriously, you should treat your subject seriously.

>>13087749
In Schopie's metaphysics matter is literally causality, so the PSR fundamentally defines time, space and causality. It's one of the underpinnings of the world as Idea.

>>13088322
Don't you worry mate, I used to take it pretty seriously. If I had any advice, I'd maybe say don't bother commenting blithely on capital-t Truth and the Absolute if you collapse into indifference at the slightest hint of skepticism. You continue fighting the good fight. Amen.

Every moment exists in eternity.

unironically

>>13088369
I am neither blithe, nor indifferent. There is a vast difference between skepticism and obstinance.

>>13087512
No

>>13087233
Infinity does not have value. Read up on scarcity.

>>13087233
can you even imagine it not passing tho? everything must pass to make room for the next moment or nothing would happen, you know?

It can pass and you can do nothing, and nothing will come of you. It can pass and you can push for something beyond the experience that you treasure, something that is eternal and immutable. To sustain ourselves on the ephemeral is to sustain ourselves on a decaying world. To empower ourselves in the permanent and unchanging is to be empowered forever. For that reason the purest of experience is that which remains with you for as long as you exist.

>>13087274
Why are you implying that value is objective?

>>13087447
It comes from Christianity where your eternity is the greatest concern and source of morality.

>>13089038
>piggybacking on self-preservation to brainwash people
Only christian things!

>>13089038
But Christianity simultaneously solves this problem with the great commission and the Holy Spirit.

>>13087233
To realize that you will pass with it into the next phase, along with everything within you that is latently suppressed and unrealized.

>DON'T STOP, NEVER GIVE UP
>HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH AND REACH THE TOP
>LET THE WORLD SEE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT
>BRING IT ALL BACK TO YOU

>HOLD ON TO WHAT YOU TRY TO BE
>YOUR INDIVIDUALITY
>WHEN THE WORLD IS ON YOUR SHOULDERS
>JUST SMILE AND LET IT GO
>IF PEOPLE TRY TO PUT YOU DOWN
>JUST WALK ON BY DON'T TURN AROUND
>YOU ONLY HAVE TO ANSWER TO YOURSELF

>DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE WHAT THEY SAY
>THAT LIFE, IT AIN'T EASY
>BUT YOUR TIME'S COMING AROUND
>SO DON'T YOU STOP TRYIN'

>DON'T STOP, NEVER GIVE UP
>HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH AND REACH THE TOP
>LET THE WORLD SEE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT
>BRING IT ALL BACK TO YOU
>DREAM OF FALLING IN LOVE
>ANYTHING YOU'VE BEEN THINKING OF
>WHEN THE WORLD SEEMS TO GET TOO TOUGH
>BRING IT ALL BACK TO YOU

>TRY NOT TO WORRY 'BOUT A THING
>ENJOY THE GOOD TIMES LIFE CAN BRING
>KEEP IT ALL INSIDE YOU
>GOTTA LET THE FEELING SHOW
>IMAGINATION IS THE KEY
>'COS YOU ARE YOU'RE OWN DESTINY
>YOU NEVER SHOULD BE LONELY
>WHEN TIME IS ON YOUR SIDE

>DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE WHAT THEY SAY
>THINGS ARE SENT TO TRY YOU
>BUT YOUR TIME'S COMING AROUND
>SO DON'T YOU STOP TRYIN'

>DON'T STOP, NEVER GIVE UP
>HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH AND REACH THE TOP
>LET THE WORLD SEE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT
>BRING IT ALL BACK TO YOU
>DREAM OF FALLING IN LOVE
>ANYTHING YOU'VE BEEN THINKING OF
>WHEN THE WORLD SEEMS TO GET TOO TOUGH
>BRING IT ALL BACK TO YOU

>DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE WHAT THEY SAY
>THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON
>BUT YOUR TIME'S COMING AROUND
>SO DON'T YOU STOP TRYIN'

>DON'T STOP, NEVER GIVE UP
>HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH AND REACH THE TOP
>LET THE WORLD SEE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT
>BRING IT ALL BACK TO YOU
>DREAM OF FALLING IN LOVE
>ANYTHING YOU'VE BEEN THINKING OF
>WHEN THE WORLD SEEMS TO GET TOO TOUGH
>BRING IT ALL BACK TO YOU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLQ0biK-ZgA

>>13089081

SYNCHRONICITY, FELLOW.

>>13087233
Seek detachment.

>>13087233
If everything passes, isn't that the point?

>>13087233
Wtf is the point of wondering, "Wtf is the point if everything passes?" if everything passes?
You've got your foot in the air - just set the fucking thing down and keep walking.

BE EMBODIED BY THE ETERNAL, DENY THE EPHEMERAL. ONLY THEN WILL YOU HAVE THE VIGOR TO CONTINUE ON. SUSTAIN YOUR BODY, BUT DO NOT FALL PREY TO TEMPORARY PLEASURES. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE NOTHING, AND THAT ALL THAT SURROUNDS YOU IS THE SUBSTANCE OF ALL THAT YOU ARE AND EVER WILL BE.

>>13087420
>420

Mono no aware is the meaning of life bro. Indulge yourself into japanese aesthetics and you will see it.

>>13088073
kinda lame

>>13087233
>Wtf is the point if everything passes?
the republic is forever

>>13087286
lmao schopenhauer get off the internet it's not supposed to exist yet

>>13087420
rough.

>>13089082
based

>>13090098
I feel like withering away when I feel mono no aware.

>>13087233
>time
No such thing, just a human illusion. It's all eternal from an objective perspective, unfortunately.

>>13087241
That is living for other people and according to their values.

>>13087233
>everything passes
that's where you're wrong kid

>>13087233
everything passes, but the word of the Lord is forever.

>>13087331
If there is no point, then there is no need for a point. If there is a point, it needs the point.

>>13087233
https://archive.org/details/AWalkingAphrodisiacByNicholasBlacksmith

>>13087233
No. Nothing passes. Everything stays. This is forever

Find something else to do. Depression will not be cured with idle rumination and philosophy.

>>13087233
To change. Seeds remain small without growth.

>>13087233
Nothing passes anon. Everyone that has come before us and comes after stretches in one long beautiful chain. We stand on the achievements of everyone before us like people in 10,000 years will stand on everything we’ve created.

>>13087233
Hope that something about you is eternal I guess.