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What is time?

>> No.13032536

>>13032527
An extrapolation of the infinitesimal present.

>> No.13032547

>>13032527
More importantly, what is line?

>> No.13032548

>>13032536
Infinitesimals don't exist.

>> No.13032570

>>13032527
The thing clocks measure

>> No.13032589
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>>13032527
an intuition a priori

>> No.13032604

>>13032548
>I am retarded and can't tell the difference between an adjective and a noun

>> No.13032614

>>13032527
Man's attempt to control the uncontrollable. He builds his institutions around it, crafts schedules, and maps events in the past. But, he can never do what he truly wishes, to make it stop

>> No.13032620

>>13032527
the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.

>> No.13032639

>>13032527
A chronology of existence.

>> No.13032643

Time is psychological.

>> No.13032644

>>13032527
basically entropy desu

>> No.13032648

reading the Order of Time by Rovelli now.

>> No.13032694

The 4th dimension, I just said it

>> No.13032700

>>13032527
there is no time, what is interpreted as time is misinterpretation of the metaphysical leaking into the individual variables of the limited, without a capability to understand the metaphysical you wont ever understand the priori of time; nor will it ever be able to be communicated in anymeans whats so ever individual, so attempts of a limitation of the metaphysical, as usual will fall only short. As liebnz says all philosophical systems always fail to cover everything(although he has one of his own?)

>> No.13032714

>>13032570
based

>> No.13032716

>>13032527
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
Every year is getting shorter never seem to find the time.
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.
Home
Home again
I like to be here
When I can
When I come home
Cold and tired
It's good to warm my bones
Beside the fire
Far away
Across the field
Tolling on the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spell

>> No.13032723

>>13032527
A tool invented by humans for measuring changes of shape.

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13032767

Death progress bar.

>> No.13032778

>>13032570
Go home Einstein

>> No.13032971

>>13032527
A spice :)

>> No.13033033

>>13032527
Time is an emergent effect of phenomenological experience, which itself does not exist within time. The moment-to-moment reality of a changing world can only be experience by a being which is at the deepest level completely removed from such a reality. Experiences are only possible outside of, and in observation of, time.

>> No.13033256

>>13032527
The measure of motion

>> No.13033280

>>13032589
based

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>>13032527

>> No.13033431

>>13032527
The interval of experience between two moments.

>> No.13033439

>>13033431
define moment, isent everything a moment, is that your point? If it is then theirs no interval

>> No.13033459

>>13032527
Ask /sci/

>> No.13033831

>>13033459
I did. Im comparing the answers given by /lit/ and /sci/.

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13033908

Time is a construct

>> No.13033918

>>13032604
Admire your ability to scrutinize yourself anon, but take it easy

>> No.13034116

>>13033459
Based. After the advent of special and general relativity, it's clear that we should look for an answer in science, and that perception and philosophy alone won't give you the answer.

>> No.13034221

>>13033459
You're a retard if you think they have the answer

>> No.13034524

>>13032527
wasted

>> No.13034596

the strawman we use to justify the illusion of a static self

>> No.13034628

Eternity instantiated upon the mutable and imperfect.

>> No.13034633

>>13032716

Based floydposter

>> No.13034653

>>13032589
According to Kant, it's the determination of the internal sense with regard to an object which is taken as relatively permanent. As space is the form for the presentation of objects, time is the form for the presentation of subjects. It's not an intuition, it's the form of all possible internal intuition. You ain't read Kant.

>> No.13035758

>>13032527
>time
you mean spacetime

>> No.13035872

>>13034653
ultra based

>> No.13035888

imagine when we finally meet some super advanced aliens and explain to them our concept of time and then they just burst out laughing thinking it's a joke but then they realize we're serious then they're just like "wait that's what you think is going on?"
that's gonna be a good day

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>>13033908
this

>> No.13036262

>>13032527
an illusion

>> No.13036267

>>13036262
charming deepity

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>>13036267
pseud, how do you hope to defeat zeno?

>> No.13036303

>>13036293
you just have to walk an inch or so to do it

supertasks

>> No.13036785

Is not on your side.

>> No.13036787

>>13032527
A flat circle

>> No.13037079

>>13033459
Kill yourself.

>> No.13037084

>>13032527
Memory mixed with desire

>> No.13037094

>>13033908
This. It's a "dimension" we invented to measure entropy. Like all dimensions, it exists purely in our heads.

>> No.13037220

>>13032527

The moving image of eternity. You're moving though, not it.

>> No.13037297

>>13034653
Not the poster your replying to but doesnt Kant argue it is one of the synthetic prerequisites of his categories of understanding rather then a form required for intuition (though that is technically correct). Its rare to find someone whos actually read Kant so would be nice to hear if im mistaken.

>> No.13037365

>>13037297
He was concerned with the possibility of synthetic a priori knowledge, which the forms allow. Math is something he gives an example of synthetic and a priori, as the "construction of conceptions in pure formal intuition," i.e. in pure space and time. The "axioms of intuition," based on the forms of space and time, constitute the basis of the foregoing categories. That they are the general possibility of perception allows the categories to be deduced from them. They are not themselves synthetic knowledge, but they make synthesis thinkable.

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13037372

Spacetime, as a single thing, is the inevitable unfolding of the absolute substance we call universe. One of the many dimensions of Spinoza's God, who as a single entity, existence itself, is determined from beginning to end.

>> No.13037375

>>13032527
A physical dimension which we cannot percieve outside of its effects on this plane. Yog-Sothoth is watching us beyond the wall

>> No.13037589

>>13034653
Kant calls it an "Anschauung a priori".
The English translation is usually "intuition a priori".
I'd agree with you, it's a bad translation (but how are you supposed to translate it otherwise), nevertheless, that's how "Anschauung a priori" is translated into English.

>> No.13037842

>>13032527
There is like 3 people I think they are sufficient to give answer; Whitehead, wesley salmon, and David Lewis. But I just love whitehead, and schizofag's answer is just good so I go with that;


We perceive time in two different reference frames: presentational immediacy and causal efficacy as described by Alfred North Whitehead. In the mode of presentational immediacy a singular omni-present moment is the fixed point of reference, and what is experienced is instantaneous change in this ever-present. In the mode of causal efficacy the linear structure of time is the fixed point of reference, comprised of many infinitescimal moments, and what is experienced is cumulative change through time.

Presentism and temporalism correspond to philosophies of time which priviledge the modes of presentational immediacy and causal efficacy respectively, represented by the philosophies of Heraclitus and Parmenides respectively. The idea that being and becoming, permanence and change aren't mutually exclusive but co-equal aspects of experience is the foundational insight of process metaphysics.

The relationship between our two modes of change-perception is very similar to looking at a film strip comprised of sequential frames vs. viewing the "motion picture," which is the result of the metaphysical nature of change being expressed in all instances involving it. If you priviledge the film strip as the ultimate reality of the movie, the fact remains that it was originally recorded from the "motion picture" of reality and transcribed into frames. If you privilege the "motion picture," the fact remains that while viewing the film to make any sense of it one must organize it as a narrative consisting of past, present, and future. Both poles are inextricable from each other, with neither more basic.

The mathematical expression of this principle is found in the mathematical study of change: calculus. The basic operations of calculus are integration and derivation, the physical intuitions of which are "cumulative change" and "instantaneous change." The fundamental theorem of calculus describes them as inverse operations of the same process, corresponding to the co-equality of our modes of change-perception.

The mode of causal efficacy is that of sequence and logical consequence: this-therefore-that, cause and effect. The mode of presentational immediacy is structural, parallel and analogical, consisting of simultaneous relationships: this-therefore-that, this-and-that. Space itself is a set of simultaneous relationships among things, but according to Einstein's theory of relativity there is no such thing as absolute simultinaety, it is entirely dependent on a particular point of reference, a concrescence of the relational web that comprises spacetime. Relativistic physics is an instantiation of the metaphysical nature of change described by process metaphysics.

>> No.13038598

>>13037842

>Time is what keeps the light from reaching us. There is no greater obstacle to God than time: and not only time but temporalities, not only temporal things but temporal affections, not only temporal affections but the very taint and smell of time.

>> No.13038623

Renounce autism:

>https://books.google.ro/books?id=Ak0aBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=the+very+taint+and+smell+of+time+eckhart+to+test+our+limits&source=bl&ots=2Bqosxeh5d&sig=ACfU3U1OIoW_M9a1_-dudN8Lop6gfNPz6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_naao_PrhAhWtxoUKHd1UDWkQ6AEwC3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20very%20taint%20and%20smell%20of%20time%20eckhart%20to%20test%20our%20limits&f=false

>> No.13039460

>>13034653
lmao why do people waste their time reading this garbage?

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>>13037842
>American philosophers
YIKES

>> No.13040538

>>13039460
>waste their time
Implying

>> No.13040546

>>13032527
Time refers to impermanence, moments, processes, or anything that is in motion, and it is fundamental, uncreated, and primary. Bringing space into the picture is unnecessary in philosophical discourse. Only Time is fundamental, and it is fundamentally dukkha.

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Read this

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>>13032527
Cum

>> No.13041169

>>13032527
According to special relativity there is no such thing as a fixed time

>> No.13041220

>>13041169
This
>>13040635
Disputes all that bullshit coming from both the quantum physics sect and the relativity sect.

Lee Smolin is based.
Time is real and there's just the one universe.
Rick and Morty is a fuckin cartoon

>> No.13041236

a bootloader for music

>> No.13041238

Change

>> No.13041269

>>13037375
Yog-Sothoth is the wall, and everything within it as well

>> No.13041542

>>13032527
Time is running out.

>> No.13041544

>>13041269
That can’t be, his father is Azathoth

>> No.13042158

A measure of slow massive movement.

>> No.13042295

>>13032614
That's romantic

>> No.13042648

>>13034653
I thought time was the form for the possibility change, where space is the form for the possibility of coexistence.

>> No.13042679

>>13032527
Chronological time is a temporal circuit that wipes the slate clean every 1000 years or so, returning (by the logic of decimal numeracy) to atlantean year zero/00. However, this is not a beginning, nor an end, but the point at which both overlap. 'They' don't want you to realise that at this zero point one can punch through, or disrupt the 'linear' progression of time (which is in reality a loop) by causing it to spiral out into a vortex with the dangerous capacity for hyper-contagion, the past and present converging at a single point which then spreads outwards like a virus across all of time.

>> No.13043536

>>13033305
Is this real. If so
>based oblivionposter