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>“The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) went out to the musalla (prayer place) on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’”

>> No.13020824

Makes sense.

Women like Butterfly might even read this and agree. It’s like black and white with Butterfly naturally anyway. She sees how terrible modern ‘bitches’ are and she knows she is not like them at all. :3

I love it. I love how she is, and what she has done to my life.

>> No.13020914

>>13020818
Um, sweetie, Muslims are the real feminists.

>> No.13020922

>>13020818
based and red-pilled

>> No.13020935

>>13020818
Alhamdulillah, brother.

>> No.13020949

>>13020818
>hadiths
Into the trash it goes

>> No.13021051

>>13020949
No one but the purest imbecile says this, the Qur'an is an EXTREMELY contextual work. Ahadith are not infallible and you can fault different ones over different issues, but you still need the Sunnah

>> No.13021972

>>13020922
/ourguy/

>> No.13022003

based
islam will save the west

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>>13020824

>> No.13022025

>>13022007
Ye Olde Clown World

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>>13022003

>> No.13022162

>>13020818
Wow, sounds like that totally happened. That's exactly how people speak.

This is honestly a major problem with religious texts that claim to be accounts of actual events. The way they have people speak and converse is so non-human. I don't mean that they should be including all the ums and ahs of speech, but are they really trying to say that people had this straight up call-and-response of perfectly constructed points, that everyone just instantly agrees with once it's told by the given messiah/important figure of the passage in question?

It's all so ridiculous.

>> No.13022187

>>13022162
>This is honestly a major problem with religious texts that claim to be accounts of actual events.
This is how ALL chronicles before the Early Modern Era are written, both religious and secular. And of course people giving accounts from memory long ago would often read like that, because that are a synopsis rather than verbatim

>> No.13022202

>>13022187
Right, right, but if someone is examining a text about Augustus meeting with some senator or whatever they don't say 'ah yes, I see, so Augustus simply stated his point in a Socratic manner and the senator bowed to his logical prowess and then immediately changed his ways', no they accept that it's a paraphrased, stylised and most likely inaccurate account of the conversation, if the conversation even happened between those two specific people and not others, or in that location and not somewhere else, or if it even happened at all.

This level of scrutiny and skepticism seems to be absent for religious texts.

>> No.13022225

>>13022202
As far Ahaditha go, that is quite incorrect. Muslim scholars do not consider them verbatim accounts

>> No.13022235

>>13022202
Jesus' words in the Gospel sound realistic enough to me. Of course, this is taking into account that the Gospel is not an account of every single word that Jesus said, but the highlights and important events. Luke even says as much. His exact words between each gospel are slightly different, but the meaning is the same, and they're all pretty close.

Islam is not a religion though, and Muhammad is a false prophet, so you should discard immediately anything written down by that cult.

>> No.13022243

>>13022235
I don't know if what he says in John to his disciples shortly before being arrested sounds realistic

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>>13022235
>Jesus' words in the Gospel sound realistic enough to me.
I mean... alright then.

>> No.13022264

>>13022243
It sounds fine to me. Which verse do you have an issue with, exactly?

>> No.13022284

>>13022264
14:28-31, for example, sounds more like a doctrinal interpolation than something Jesus would expect his disciples to take in in that context