/lit/ - Literature

No. But as a primary artistic medium in our society, yes. That doesn't mean it matches in quality though.

>>13012011
There is nothing literary about manga, not even a little.

>>13012026
t. hasn’t even read Devilman

>>13012011
Manga has more in common with film than with literature.

>>13012030

>>13012033
why are the Japs so good at visual arts but shit at literature?

>>13012062
They're not, post-WW2 Jap literature is some of the best literature ever written.

>>13012062
>why are the Japs so good at visual arts
Lets not get carried away.
>shit at literature
Japanese is a barbaric language that does not even have a word for love. Saying "I love you" in Japanese carries the same gravity as saying "I like fish."

>>13012077
Perhaps you aren't aware, but that image is from the 18th century.

>>13012077
wrong.
好き means love/like, but 愛する means love only.

>>13012011
Berserk is a joke. Only an idiot can't notice its underage ignorance in mashing together “medieval” setting from pieces that are centuries apart from each other.

>>13012077
Is this bait?

>>13012118
>implying that matters

>>13012118
Who gives a shit about that?

>>13012118
>This fantasy setting is so stupid
>It's not historical at all!
Of all the fucking things to complain about

>>13012132
> some armors
> 18th century palaces and nobles with smallswords (and, more importantly, guns) vs castles and knights in plate armor
This is basically “hero died in the last chapter but now he lives again” bullshit. He should've used magic instead of explaining shit.

>>13012166
Was this in the golden age? I thought it got more modern in black swordsman

>>13012159
> HE SLICES THROUGH ENEMIES WITH HIS POWERFUL UNSTOPPABLE CUMSHOTS!!!
You would defend that.

>>13012011
> manga
no
> eroge
yes

Sengoku Rance is the most important work of literature of the past twenty years

>>13012177
This has metaphysical significance. Eros > Ares

>>13012166
Historical accuracy is irrelevant to fantasy.

>>13012132
Miura is Bloom’s ideal manga artist

>>13012118
>WHY IS THIS FANTASY SETTING SO FANTASTICAL
lol

>>13012011
the golden age is so superior to what's left of the manga, I don't understand why people even bother to still read this piece of shit, as a side note, berserk being from chinkland is such a pity, the GA has only one fatal flaw, which is the anime stigma it carries, I can't believe it's possible to talk about berserk and dbz in the same sentence, oh and BERSERK CAN'T WORK AS A BOOK BECAUSE IT USES VISUALS TO AUGMENT THE CHARACTERS BEYOND WORDS

>>13012302
>VISUALS TO AUGMENT THE CHARACTERS BEYOND WORDS
post one scene from berserk that cannot be described with words

>>13012320

>>13012077
But English is even worse; "I love salad" has the same gravity as "I love you"
Only Greek is a language nuanced enough to use multiple words for love, which is why all literature properly starts from them

>>13012132
The Japanese will get away with this anachronism stew, but the Fire Nation in Avatar still reduces them to shrieking barbarians.

>>13012320
>implying words can describe griffiths übermensch status properly

> unironic manga discussion on /lit/
I don't mind, but why? Just go on /a/.

>>13012405
/a/ is full of faggots, if I wanted to talk about anime I’d go to /v/

>>13012302
The original Golden Age anime was actually great though

>>13012320
Describe this faggot

>>13012409
Please do. /a/ has been getting a lot worse over time but it's still far better than /v/.

>>13012421
One board being better than the other is an opinion I think people should keep to themselves.

>>13012302
>He doesn't know

>>13012302
I though conviction arc was better. golden arc just felt really linear and the MC seemed like your average tough-guy-protecter trying to expose the squishy interior to x love interest.
>griffith; asshole idealist that doesn't know how to make friends and is totally alienated from everything
>mozgus; insane yet consistent authority figure that was mostly alienated from everything except for trying to rally everyone around a spiritual epicenter
At least you could ask moral questions with the second Griffith is just this totally stoic retard, who is ever even like that

>>13012302
Only brainlets think this. Lost children is on par with the golden age.

here's your griffith bro

>>13012302
>>13012362
WTH is she so hot?

>>13012320
The entirety of Puck as a character.

>>13012302
It would have been 10x better and had a ton more impact if he hadn't decided to spoil the entire twist in the first chapter.
There's still some very memorable events later on in the story though, it only really goes downhill once he forms a new party and starts unironically peddling 'power of love and friendship'.

>>13012338
>But English is even worse; "I love salad" has the same gravity as "I love you"
Not really.

>>13012709
>Lost children is on par with the golden age.
As are all the other arcs. Golden Age is great, but they're equally great. The idea that only the darkest moments of Berserk are great says more about the reader than the story.

>>13012806
DELET THIS

>Kingdom of Tudor
>Kingdom of Midland
>Fighting a hundred years war
>Nosferatu Zodd

AHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHAH ANIMEFAGS WILL UNIRONICALLY DEFEND THIS LMAO

>>13012138
>>13012227
>>13012159

Yeah why on earth would someone want a well thought out, and well written setting that is consistent? Berserk is fucking childish drivel written by an autistic jap. And don't make me start on that abomination that is Evangelion. Two bombs weren't enough.

>>13013170
> making allusions to real-life = bad
Why? None of these things are really related to their real-life namesake. The mangaka picked these names because they sound exotic yet somewhat familiar to the average nip reader.

>>13013170
wat? familiarity is good retard

>>13013177
>The mangaka picked these names because they sound exotic
They sound retarded

>>13013187
>wat? familiarity is good retard
Why is it 'good'

Could you guys also explain the political situation and how those plots and assassinations came to be? And please tell what made the eclipse happen. God I'm cringing just remembering this shit.

/lit/-tier manga:
1. Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
2. ????

>>13013170
Yet another retard who doesn't understand nor care about the fantasy genre yet pretends to.

>>13013224
Why? European stuff sounds exotic to non-Europeans just like Europeans find non-European stuff exotic. We have our mysterious ass-kicking monk tropes and they have their blonde-haired blue eyed suave dude with 'von' in his name.

>>13013236
>yet pretends to
Oh absolutely not my underage friend. Other than Lotr, dune and Book of the new sun I couldn’t give one fuck about fantasy, especially retarded anime nonsense.

>>13013237
I don’t know how i can explain it to you better than I have. I know why it's like that, the problem is that it's fucking awful writing.

>>13013224
>why is it good

>>13013258
> I don’t know how i can explain it to you better than I have
But you didn't. You just said it sounds retarded.

>>13013262
My point is that something being familiar is neither good or bad, that it depends on the quality of the writing, which is sorely lacking in Berserk.

>>13013268
The Kingdom of Tudor fighting against the Kingdom of Midland in a hundred years war which is inhabited by a demon called Nosferatu Zodd sound non-retarded to you lmao?

>>13013282
> The kingdom...
No more retarded than any other made-up thing you'd find in a fictional setting. Are you saying that made-up things sound retarded in general, or that Berserk's particular names sound especially retarded? Sorry anon, but I don't understand either argument.

>>13013304
>Are you saying that made-up things sound retarded in general
Absolutely not, that would make me the retard.

>>13013304
>Berserk's particular names sound especially retarded?
Yes, and what's more it's indicative of the writing as a whole, the plot and characters. I do admit that I actually really like the premise of a boy cut out from the womb of a hanged pregnant woman and then raised in a mercenary camp.

>>13013319
>Yes
But why?

>>13012416
Good example
>>13012362
Bad example. This could definitely be described in words satisfactorily.
>>13012991
>thinking a “twist” has any literary value

>>13012337
I don’t remember this panel, which volume is it from? It’s definitely interestint, if real

>>13013472
>thinking good structure and powerful impact is irrelevant to the quality of a story

>>13013523
I don’t think i said that, and i can’t be sure which post you’re referring to, but i assume it’s the one regarding the “twist”. I think Berserk has great structure, and i would agree that the impact of Griffith’s betrayal would hold more weight if it wasn’t spelled out in the first few volumes. That being said, even if you know that Griffith becomes the antagonist, you don’t know WHY for several volumes, which creates tension for a good long while. Finally seeing the “why” (Guts’s departure and later return, and Griffith’s physical incapacity via years of torture, rendering him invalid) successfully, in my opinion, creates tension in the reader nonetheless, knowing the outcome but not the details; this is what really makes the Eclipse so emotionally outstanding, finally realizing what has caused Guts’s (initially juvenile and angsty) rage so compelling

>>13012118
What about it? Lots of art has anachronisms, like pic related. Hardly something to ruin a work
>>13013170
What's wrong with the names? All of those are from real history or mythology, can't really fault them for being bad

>>13013170
incredibly low iq post

>>13013641
YO DIS NIGGA JUST COMPARED CARVAGGIO WITH BERSERK

>>13013237
>We have our mysterious ass-kicking monk tropes
You say that like it's a good 'trope', or like it's ever used in good works of literature.

>>13013795
Oriental exoticism was used in plenty of good works

Literature and Manga are two mutually distinct mediums of Art, and thus cannot be adequately compared for purposes of hierarchical evaluation.

>>13012118
I wonder if you also moan about Shakespeare's terrible historical accuracy?

>>13012011
Manga deals with themes in such a juvenile manner--even just by virtue of doing shitty 2d images. Manga will never surpass literature

>>13012011
Recommend me good manga please.

>>13014040
berserk, monster, vagabond and so on and so on

>>13014040
Ashita no Joe

>>13014058
>>13014186
Thanks. I've read Monster and Berserk.

>>13012077
Nah man, sakana ga suki has the same gravity as teenagers telling themselves suki because teenagers in Japan know their place and to not get carried by their hormones, but saying to some anata wo aishiteru is more intense.

>>13012077
doesn't "doki" mean love?

>>13014040
Historie
>start with the Greeks

>>13015640
this!
start with the Greeks always works

>>13014816
okie dokie

>>13012062
>Yukio Mishima
>Ryūnosuke Akutagawa
>Natsume Sōseki
>Osamu Dazai
>shit at literature
Ignorant weeb.

>>13013001
It doesn’t have the same weight because of the connotation but you could say the exact same thing about Japanese

>>13015640

I find Historie to have become a bit of a mess after a promising start. Maybe it still can pull itself together, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Yasuhiko Yoshikazu's Alexandros - Dream for World Conquest is a much better manga about Alexander.

>>13016081
The worst part of Historie is definitely that Iwaaki seems to have lost interest in ever finishing it :(

>>13012011
There are plenty of comics/manga out there with real artistic value, but VNs and eroge are complete garbage. There is not a single one worth reading, don't let yourself be convinced otherwise.
>>13014040
Soil

>>13013082
I don't really like Isidoro and the perma-chibi elf. Feels kind of wrong to have a Naruto in the story after everything that happened before.

>>13015905
>Not mentioning Kawabata

>>13015905
if they were good they'd write in english and not barbarian runes

>>13013258
>Other than Lotr, dune and Book of the new sun I couldn’t give one fuck about fantasy
Evidently, considering you don't understand how it works and what makes for quality fantasy. Otherwise, you wouldn't complain about some mere names.

By the way, the Hundred Years War was a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War

And it's not like funky or generic sounding names don't exist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man

>>13013258
>Other than Lotr, dune and Book of the new sun I couldn’t give one fuck about fantasy
Evidently, considering you don't understand how it works and what makes for quality fantasy. Otherwise, you wouldn't complain about some mere names.

By the way, the Hundred Years War was a thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War

And just look at the first line of that article:
>The Hundred Years' War was a series of conflicts waged from 1337 to 1453 by the House of Plantagenet, rulers of the Kingdom of England, against the French House of Valois, over the right to rule the Kingdom of France.

And it's not like funky or generic sounding names don't exist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man

>>13014040
Akira, Aku no Hana, Berserk, Junji Ito, Lost in Abyss, Oyasumi Punpun, Parasyte, To Love Ru

>>13012202
How so?

>>13013523
Have you read Homer?

>>13018863
Yes, perhaps the Odysse should start with Odyssevs coming home, slaughtering his rivals, and then looping back to the start to tell us how he got into this awkward situation. Truly you are a master storyteller.

>inb4 the Odysse wasn't written by Homer
I know that you twat. It is not relevant to the point being made and my vast intellect readily anticipates your brainlet ad hominem retort.