/lit/ - Literature

>>12977347
Is this a shitpost or do you actually want some suggestions?

>>12977347
Why do Canadians love to larp as Americans? Peterson especially has drinkin the White Monster since he’s going so far as to larp as a Bible belt conservative Texan

now go away

>>12977404
Peterson is actually Canadian? Holy shit

>>12977347
Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

>>12977427
Can you please stop copy pasting this. Reading this once was enough. You’re coming across as a Zizek fanboy who’s spamming this board to show how his guy “destroyed” Peterson

>>12978102
nobody on this board even likes peterson in the first place. The politicposters are almost entirely either Marxists or far Right, both of whom think Peterson is a dumb boomer

>>12978112
So? If the board doesn’t like Peterson it doesn’t give you the license to be an annoying faggot.

>>12977347
Pedro.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/author/petr-kropotkin

>>12977347
can only recommend this gem. peterson should have at least read a synopsis.

Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

>>12977387
Where have you been these past few days? This place is a shitshow and the memes just won't stop.

HAHAHA
GEEBERSON IS AN ACTUAL RETARD

german ideology chapter 1
gotha critique
MOST OF ALL pic related

>>12977347
>Never should have come here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNz8pan5hN4

>>12977424
yuhhh

>>12977347

>>12980546

>>12977387
The board is dead m8, everything here is shitposting

read bob black and stirner

>>12978102
You beat me to this post.

>>12977347
The trick to understanding Marxism is learning everything you know from those on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

>>12978102
This is the new /lit/ copypasta. Enjoy.

>>12978362
the annoying faggot is the guy literally spamming pasta on every thread

Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

>Marxism vs Capitalism
>Zizek: "I'm not really a marxist haha"

Face it, marxism got rekt, even if Zizek survived.

>>12981717
>one of the world's most famous Marxist's gives you a rundown on his idea of re-Materializing Marxist theory through a revival of Hegelian dialectics, the very idea that has made him the world famous Marxist that he is
>uhh, so... what you're saying is you're not a Marxist?

>>12981733
Not a REAL Marxist, otherwise he would've fit into the strawman that's been created

>>12981737
funny how quick you can make a right winger sound like a tankie

Make like a kulak and get justifiably shot.

>>12981733
>Zizek: "Marx is literally a moron except some letters and stuff"
>The marxist crowd goes wild and cheers

>>12981795
>writes a thousand page book on Hegel and the Shadow of Dialectical Materialism
>h-heh, he m-must not be real Marxists... r-right?

>>12977427
The technical writing in the communist manifesto is pretty advanced actually. Definitely not for uneducated workers.

>>12977347
This is basically all there is to read. Marx was a tard

>>12981937
>>12978469

>>12981795
>capital volume one is the true genius of Marx
>Marx is literally a moron except some letters and stuff

>>12981946
Marx failed fundamentally in understanding the critical flaw of man which is massive greed and corruption. He failed to understand what he called for ultimately led to a system of government where power was completely centralized and unchecked and it naturally left the masses powerless. I think he knew damn well what he was doing. Communism sounds great to the retards of the world, but it always fails miserably with the deaths of millions and a few who steal their nation's wealth. The idea of checks and balances was the greatest at controlling this, but even it is imperfect. Even so, it's better than communist government. Capitalism is a much better economic system, but it also has its flaws. Especially when left completely unchecked and when cronyism seeps in. Even so, it's still better than communism.

>but it's not real communism

Just fucking kill yourself you piece of shit. Literally. You are calling for the theft of people's properties and freedom.

>but you aren't really free

Still better than communism and constantly improving.

>>12982013
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/how-zizek-should-have-replied-to-jordan-peterson
Here u go buddy
Stop embarrassing urself

>>12981937
Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

>>12981937
Sure, if you wanna end up like Peterson

>>12982013

>muh human nature

Unironically hang yourself with all haste

>>12982022
>Peterson went first. If you did high school debate, you know that this should have given Zizek an advantage. He knows what Peterson has said, and in theory this should enable him to reply to Peterson. But instead, Zizek read a bizarre, meandering, canned speech which had very little to do with anything Peterson said or with the assigned topic.
wew this author
first, the rules of the debate were 30 minute opening statements to outline their own position, he couldn't just spend his 30 minutes tearing apart his reading
second, Zizek said before the debate he was going to use it as a chance to talk to the Peterson fans rather than argue for Marxism, him blowing Peterson the fuck out was just a consequence of them being in a room together

>>12982013
I'm the guy you replied to. What in the actual fuck are you rambling about? I'm not a Marxist, never said I was.

>>12982022
Never even watched this shit. You keep assuming I'm listening to these people. These are simple conclusions anyone with a brain cell can figure out when they look at history, read the writings, and look at all the nations in Asia and Latin America who have tried communism. And not once have you brought up a single argument. You just keep linking to others. Can't think for yourself? That's right, you're a commie. Commies are insects.

>>12982023
What's with the Peterson obsession? I never brought him up. I'm not referring to him at all. Haven't even listened to this debate.

>>12982066
Since you're so put off on the idea of reading on here on /lit/, go ahead and skip to the part of that article talks about the "bad Marx" paper he gets every term when they have communism week in his class. It's literally exactly what you wrote there.

>>12982022

>>12982023

>>12982027


And for the record, I think Peterson is a pseudointellectual sophist. He unironically believes in Jungian bullshit, he is also arrogant when telling others they're actually Christians. He fails to acknowledge the dangers of unfettered capitalism.

Also for the record, one thing I do appreciate from the commies is that they point out the absurdity of someone opening a business and being able to make insane amounts of money indefinitely even when their actual contributions might be minuscule all while ripping off and abusing the labor of their employees.

>>12982013
>the way people act and think stands outside of history and material circumstances
"Human nature" is variable over time

>>12982077
Peterson just got exposed as a dilettante, and a poor one at that.

1) Anyone who has taken a 100 level course on Marx could have given as good or better of a rundown and critique of the Communist Manifesto that Peterson gave.
2) No serious Marxist reads the meme pamphlet Marx wrote for uneducated workers, it's not an academic source, it's a propaganda piece.
3) Peterson, although claiming to have read and understood at least a modicum of Zizek's works, was not able to produce a single meaningful critique of his theory, even going so far as to be impressed with Zizek's take on Christianity
3a) Peterson is in many ways a scholar of religion, in particular Judeo-Christianity; he also critiques Marxism for being an athiest doctrine which rejects these principles. So if Peterson had done so much as read Zizek's wikipedia article, let alone an article on him in an encyclopedia of philosophy, let alone read one of his books on Christianity, he would have known this position and not been impressed by it. It means he didn't even watch Pervert's Guide to Ideology. Incredible lack of research.
4) Peterson did not stick to his position that Marxism was bad, instead retreating to a simple repetition of his individualism (at one point admitting that the heart of the individualism leads to the position that you must do what is best for the community anyways "good enough for you/your family isn't enough" which basically recasts JP's position as individually enlightened Marxism)
5) Peterson hasn't read Critique of the Gotha program which is shorter than the Manifesto and much more important (reminder this intellectual has been arguing against the evils of Marx for decades and hasn't even read him in any meaningful sense since he was 18).
6) By the end, Peterson wasn't even able to formulate an argument against the form of Marxism which Zizek promotes. His only point to the debate which had any relevance was to point out Capitalism's productive force, a fact that he also admits Marx agrees with and discusses at length in the Manifesto.
7) Peterson being pressed on and subsequently not able to name a single postmodern neomarxist needs no explication.

Peterson has been exposed as someone who has no real education (or perhaps intellectual interest) in political theory. I am actually amazed there are people who watched this debate and think Peterson managed even the bare minimum of understanding of both Marxist theory and the historical realities of capitalist dynamics.

>>12982099
Some things aren't. Most of the things that have changed came about thanks to philosophy.

>>12982118
>Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/index.htm

AOC's tweets

>>12982127
Just because Marxists say some things that are obviously true, doesn't make Marxism as a whole correct.

A lot of the pro communist bullshit comes about because of the bullshit that capitalist nations do. This doesn't magically erase the bullshit of communism. We need to start looking towards creating a new philosophy that brings together the best parts of all philosophies and accounts for the worst flaws. Even fascists have good arguments to make that others are afraid to bring up, but it doesn't make fascism as a whole 100% correct. This is true of communism, capitalism, democracy, republicanism, etc.

>>12982098
Lol okay keep running your mouth pseud

>>12982163
based retard centrist

>>12982188
Just be honest. You either want to be cucked by your government and let them take everything from you, or you want to be the one doing the taking and want to murder millions. Keep dreaming though, odds are you'll be at the bottom getting raped by your communist regime.

>>12978437
Peterson is a brainlet, sure, but text-on-object memes are even worse.

>>12982269
I bet your favorite artist is Ben Garrison

>>12982213
Why don't you read the first chapter of Capital before you hold court with your brainlet opinions on Marxism?

>>12982213
based schizo retard centrist

>>12982213
Why have you posted this picture of yourself? Dumb wojak poster

>>12982331

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>>12982386

Why do you insist on sucking the cock of some long dead retard who has been proven wrong by literally every attempt at creating his Marxist utopia

>>12982386
Because my chin looks good here. Jealous, incel?