/lit/ - Literature

not gay btw

Peterson should've read Zizek. How can one man be so disingenuous in everything he says and does?

Peterson is the beta bipolar

Zizek is the chad schizo

It's over

>>12964775
this shit is like a satire

fucking Kermit the esoteric boomer and the rambling crypto fascist Slav commie

PETERSON BTFO

CHAD ZIZEK KEKING THE SHIT OUT OF THIS FUCKING SMOOTH BRAINED KIKE RETARD AHAHAHAHAHA

does this mean that joe cuck rogan will bring zizek on jre

guys what if they stop fighting and stop making out?

Stop saying "why are they talking about communism/capitalism it's about happiness", no the debate is happiness: Communism and Capitalism, retarded but that's what it is.

Why does Peterson always sound like he is about to cry?

>>12964821
Would watch

>judeo-christian

zizek is built like the michelin man

i wish a socially conservative/economically liberal person would address how their brand of individual morality can be re-enforced/spread, especially when the economic liberalism they support trends people in the opposite direction

>starving to death reminds you how happy you were to have food
woah, he's mopping the floor with jbp

>>12964842
>traditional values

>a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

This is what comes up when you google communism. In what world is this practical?

>>12964834
cause if he gets called out or rekt on a debate he can just make up some story about being ill for a month because he drank a glass of cider or something

zizek is literally going to cede the debate to peterson by default because he isnt even interested in arguing his own point

>the true horror for me was that four years later, ex-communists came back to power
BASED

>>12964775
>in a debate about capitalism vs marxism in regards to happiness, Zizek starts arguing against happiness itself
worth the wait

Well, this isn't getting any better, I expected a debate and instead got recycled lectures.

>>12964889
Peterson is clearly some sort of pseudo bipolar case. He's not an actual madman but he's emotionally unstable and gets wrapped up into delusional grandiose thinking

oh god zizek is fucking murdering jordan

I can't believe Peterson is having an actual debate.

>capitalism needs dictatorship
>marx didn't have a good theory of how social power exists
I thought this guy was a commie....?

There's so much more overlap between these guys than I think they realized, but I think it's hitting them now.

>>12964842
who said judeo christian? it better not have been zizek

UH
UH
WHERE
UH

>peterson: *on the verge of tears*
>zizek: shshshshshshshshsh SNIFFFF uhhh

this is so strangely unpleasant to listen to

>>12964898
in the words of zizek,
>the first rule of psychoanalysis is that noone really wants to be happy

Why is the commie making "ugh" noises constantly?

someone post that peterson face now

>>12964924
petersein

>for him, comunism is not egalitarianism
Fucking THANK YOU, zizek. I was waitong for someone to tell Peterson communism isn't just when "every1 is equal."

>>12964923
no zizek literally said that his approach with this ""debate"" was to focus on where they agree rather than disagree

this is very likely just a cheap excuse but still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9-9AkQV-c

>the only thing that happened at the end of apartheid is the old ruling class was joined by a new black ruling class

>>12964918
Capitalist nations are considered the "dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie" in Marx's theories.

because yeh uh sniff uh egalitaranism sniff uhhh uh a uh SNIFF uh ah SNIFFFFF marx UH sniff

>>12964954
the only thing that happened when i banged your mom was that her old pussy was joined by my black cock

OKAY, VERY BRIEFLY

wtf the crowd im scared for slavoj bros

>>12964935
He has nervous ticks

>oh god zizek is fucking murdering jordan
how do people believe he makes any good points
>irrelevant story
>*sniff*
>weird analogy
>*sniff*
>im not arguing for marxism, im arguing against happiness
>*sniff*

>>12964923
everybody pushed these two together in a staged debate and inadvertently made them friends with each other. that's what we're watching. Peterson and Zizek's blossoming friendship.
they've literally agreed more than disagreed.
they have 10 minutes each for a rebuttal and they're scrambling for disagreements.

>>12964821
hopefully

>>12964965
this is every time zizek opens his mouth

zizek is simply a new world orderist dressed up in leninism lite

>>12964965
I SPENT 40 YEARS THINKING ABOUT THIS you

>>12964937

>>12964884
Earth 57

>>12964775
https://www.strawpoll.me/17849671

>>12964923
>There's so much more overlap between these guys than I think they realized, but I think it's hitting them now.
They both just made the same argument, got confused that they were in agreement and started attacking Scandinavian socialism out of confusion..

>>12964910
This is not even wrong. He is going leng tch'e on his ass, giving him morphine while continualy cutting.

I love how this turned into a private lecture for Peterson

Can we all agree that monarchism is the greatest form of government?

>zizek btfoing marx live on stage
that's it, the lobster man won, he's self-destructing

>the obligatory French phrase

Thank you sniffing man

>>12964972
Zizek cites a lot of different authors and books and people think he's smart and therefore feel smart if they like him.

this crowd is a cringefest, purely in there for the enterteinment

In terms of what the debate was supposed to be about: Marxism vs capitalism, as to which creates the most happiness, Zizek hasn't even defended marxism while Peterson has defended capitalism against marxism. Zizek lost the debate.

Zizek is describing the EU...

Works well, plebs done understand it, and a multinational organisation.

>>12964998
no

>>12964775
Peterson is a fucking idiot lmao
Zizek even called him out that Marx explicitly denounces egalitarianism, thank fuck for that.

Lobsterman BTFO

>>12965000
You're actually retarded friend arent you

He went overtime for the second time even after saying he would keep it under ten minutes.
What a fucking alpha.

How the fuck is Zizek "murdering" Memerson? They're both approaching the same thing with same arguments from different angles

>when I was looking at your work
does this mean memerson actually read some zizek before walking on stage

why is he hitting on him

>hes psychoanalysing zizek because thats all hes formally trained in

eek

oh god I need to sell all my petersoncoin before the market crashes

>>12965003
he literally mentioned like 5 or 6 writers you retard

do you know what board you are on

>>12965004
Yeah, I could do without the constant cheering every other minute.

>>12964775
"I will stop, immediately"
Based Zizek

>peterson calling zixek smart, funny and attractive
dawww

>>12965030
Kek

I have a dog in this fight and this is the first time I've listened to Zizek but WTF do people take him serious??
What a rambling mess of nothing. If he had a southern accent he'd be laughed out of the building.
Hes like a perfect distillation of the university class. Sounds impressive and authoritative but isn't actually saying or doing anything.

>>12964923
>but I think it's hitting them now.
It's really hitting them now.

>>12964998
Lasted for thousands of years while newcomers are constantly in crisis in the short time they've been popular. There's just no competition.

>>12965033
When he could get to the point by mentioning 0.

>>12965025
/lit/ has ptsd from years of petersonposting, they froth at the mouth at any opportunity to attack him

This is where he kills peterson

Zizek made ONE decent point that "Cultural Marxists are just the new "Jews" for reactionaries to rail against" which is one of Peterson's main schticking points, but Peterson didn't respond to it and the whole thing got dropped.

Shame.

Zizekism

>>12965025
simple: he turned peterson into a fucking commie

>>12964775
>last chance for Peterson to ask Zizek literally anything
>YOU'RE SO COOL ZIZEK WHY ARE YOU SO COOL
fucks sake what am i watching

>>12965044
Welcome to the last 30 years of Zizekian thought, we have sniffing memes and trashcan jokes

>>12965025
this. they both end up saying " we need to change things" with no real solution. They even acknowledge the same problems

>>12965054
and you have ptsd from reactionary behavior towards petersonposting ,

"if you read him closely"
Translation
"If you actually read him"

>>12965054
Peterson caused more butthurt than anything ive ever seen on this site. pol lost their fucking minds over him

and he is literally just this naive boomer fuck

HAHAHHAHAHAH HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ZIZEK

Imagine being in front of one of the most red contemporary philosophers and ask him why he isn't zizekian

zizek subtly calling peterson a brainlet and telling him to read more to his face in front of his fans

based zizek reducing jordan to tears

>>12965071
4d chess debate mastermind slavoj, penis higiene man GTFO

hegel is retarded

>rap battle for nerds

>marxism-zizekizn

>read Capital you fucking pseud

>zizek literally giving Peterson a 'start with marx' chart

>>12965086
I wouldn't say that subtle

>>12965083
It wasn't a bad question. Zizek does differ from Marx quite a lot and criticizes him often.

What was the point of this?

an excerpt of zizeks most popular book off google search of his name of a random start of a chapter i scrolled down to

t b h it reads like some any anonymous comment on this board but published into a book.

Do you think Peterson is going to get SNIFF'D when we goes back to his hotel room after this?

best part is how different the discussion on /lit/ is from ultra lefty places who are REALLY upset at Zizek.

im late bros, whos winning

Peterson seems intellectually spent

>>12965117
You mean leftypol and leftpol, right?

>dropping the Hegel pill

>>12965066
If anything they both just drifted into social democracy, one from capitalism and the other from communism

>>12965111
lol does he have a ghost writer? No way that bumbling slav could write this on his own.

>mfw peterson has never read marx

>>12965110
Zizek and Peterson becoming buttbros while their fans pretend they're debating

https://youtu.be/1Q46AoR80M4

peterson is not understanding anything at all

>>12965123
Z

>>12965110
Hegelian dialectic to create Zizekiansim-Petersonism

>>12965117
the left have been extremely mad at Zizek for a couple years now ever since he said something about the 85iq goatfucking honor killers maybe not being the same as progressive Europeans

HE'S DOING IT
DAMN POSTMODERNEOMARXIST

>>12965056
He made important point that capitalism doesnt really need freedom to succeed (China, or Singapore in his other texts)

>>12965129
that's gay

>>12965123
Look at Peterson, intellectually exhausted by lacan and Hegel analysis from zizek

cheap move by zizek lol this is gay

>>12965124
It's hard for him to say anything because Zizek isn't the type of postmodern cultural marxist he rants about

>who is the marxist here?????!!!

BTFO

>WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS

FUCKING FINALLY ZIZEK IS THROWING DOWN

Lmaooo Zizek dont do it to him

zizek is the one who mounts the world

>>12965143
RIGHT INTO THE HEART OF JORDAN'S PREVERBAL DRAGON

Betason got exposed as a buckold and is now showing his belly like a dog that just got dominated.

It's over, he's over.

>>12965163
>>12965155
>>12965158
HERE IT FUCKING GOES BOYS

THIS IS A FUCKING SLAUGHTER HOLY SHIT

>you are an idiot and you don't know what you're talking about
>read more
based slavoj

Jesus, Peterson looks like he wants to cry right now

Le cocaine communist does it again

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HURT MYSELF TODAY

LMAO THIS WHOLE BLABBERING FOR 2 HOURS WAS A SETUP FOR THE SUCKER PUNCH

All of a sudden there's a debate. What happened?

brainlet assumption by zizek to pretend that post modern neomarxism isn't a fruit grown from a branch on the tree of marxism

HAHAHAHAHAHA

zizek is doing everything
the funny part is that this is what he said he wouldnt do in that interview.

4d chess

DAYUMMMM

>>12965154
>>12965153
>VARUS, GIVE ME BACK MY MARXISTS

finally zizek is ending this pseud's career

lobster cornered hahahaha

Kermit is about to cry

Peterson is so fucking beta, holy shit. He has less energy than a fuckign 70 yo man

Slam Dunk!

im watching the debate via twitch where two guys are playing half life death match while watching, wont pay those 15 euros

LOL Zizek is owning the debate, holy shit

Peterson is practically stuck at
>hey, erm, aren't you going to defend the marxist/communist caricature now so that I can attack you?

holy shit

>Zizek bringing out the Fisherian ideas

>>12965135
thank you

>>12965175
this on some valentines day massacre shit

Goddammit I'm unironically cringing.

holy shit, peterson on suicide watch

WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS

holy fucking shitballs he actually said it

>just because they describe themselves as marxists doesn't meant they're REAL marxists

amazing argument

>>12965123
Zizek just completely fucking destroyed Peterson.

Peterson BTFOOO

Oh god that happened right after Peterson was like you're so cool oh my goodness let's be friends

you can't name them because marxism and postmodernism are merely masks that the jew wears as are all other destructive ideologies

juden peterstein is the greatest gatekeeper of the jewish question so he will never be able to answer zizek's question because the only answer is jews

>>12965197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4

fucking lol theyre both getting mad now

talking over each other

This whole debate was worth it just for this

>>12965166
Zizek rope a doped him holy fuck

>>12965215
Lol wut. He answered that question easily.

AHHHHHHHHH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOOOOOOO JORDANNN AHHHHHHH PLEASE

zizek just straight up insulted peterson to his face lmao

I feel kind of bad for Peterson. His question was basically "you are so smart so why not create Zizekism?" and Zizek's question was basically "why are you so stupid?"

>name 11 marxists and 6 kinos where this happens
peterson knows he doesn't have to respond to shitposts, right?

>just name one of them

>Zizek: who are you quoting?
>Peterson: uhhh

bros...I thought peterson would win this
it wasn't supusto be like this

>>12965210
>about 25% of profs, here are the stats
>no name dem!
wow really intellectual debate here

>calls everyone neo-marxist
>hasn't read marx since he was 18
>only reads the communist manifesto

Honestly the only things ruining this debate are the audience/litfags acting like this is a football match rather than a conversation.

Mommy, why did Zizek have to kill the lobsterman?

Peterson is getting so humiliated I needed to mute the stream

>>12965228
search "muke," for up to date stream

OH NO NO NO

I'm actually cracking up over here, how the hell a geriatric obese pervert managed to convince a Jungian boomer the benefits of Marxism is pure comedy gold

>>12965228
holy shit thank you

>>12965236
>moral superiority of the proletariat
MARX NEVER SAID THIS. MARX DID NOT BELIEVE IN OBJECTIVE MORALITY.

I've never seen Peterson subdued wtf

Oh my god zizek is going to pull his punches isnt he?

WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS

>name ONE book that does this

what did zizek say?

Peterson's 'pomos are smuggling marxism into their supposed rejection of overarching narratives' is 100% true and Im surprised he would even be aware of that because it's reactionary territory

>>12965275
WHERE ARE MARXISTS PUNK

CRINGE

>>12965142
It's so fucking weird, "Zizek is one of us!!!" in-between being upset about Zizek mentioning LGBTQ propaganda.

WHERE ARE THEY PETERSON????????? HMMM???????? WHERE ARE THEY????????

ARE YOU AWARE

>>12965275
he asked jordan about penis higiene

I'm not able to watch it right now, what did Zizek do to get this reaction?

>>12965258
no need

>>12965275
NAME ONE MARXIST THAT IS A PART OF THIS POST MODERNIST NEO MARXIST WHATEVER

HOW DO I HIDE THIS THREAD?


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12965278
>Peterson's 'pomos are smuggling marxism into their supposed rejection of overarching narratives' is 100% true
[citation needed]

>>12965265
Well that’s obviously not true commie piece of shit

what the fuck

>>12965278
This was actually a great point by Peterson and Zizek actually had no response.

WHERE ARE THEY

Jordan's bout to have a seizure

Did Peterson just pull a "I bet you're fun at parties"? What a fag

>>12965275
honestly he just asked Peterson who exactly he's referring to when he says "postmodern neomarxist" and Peterson said its less an individual so much as an ideology that he's against

everyone's losing their shit because it was literally the only punch thrown in the almost two hour "debate"

>>12965288
attacked the whole postmodern neomarxism thing

slersh slersh slersh

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

Is David Harvey worth reading? Zizek just name-dropped him.

>>12965290
Eric Clanton, the Bike Lock fugitive

Did Peterson just spaz out literally

Fuck this shit. I can't watch it live cause got an exam in 30minutes

He didnt deal the killing blow that coward

I don't understand why everyone is saying this is an epic win when half my profs are into foucault as well as marx, they get smuggled together even when they shouldn't be and that's the problem. Peterson is too ignorant to look into it, Zizek is a vulgar pleb who can't see that and is trying to epicly win on trivial points after grandstanding about muh this is not a contest

>>12964775
>"Zizek you're so smart and attractive"
>Zizek immediately calls him an idiot and demands he name the Marxists he's attacking
THE VIRGIN PETERSTEIN FEARS THE CHAD ZIZEK
>>12965111
this requires you to at least have read Derrida, Baudrillard, etc. to understand what is meant by signifier

>>12965272
Jete has a computer and Zizek only has notes
wtf

>HEEDONISM
this fucking orater fuck off

>>12965315
Yes

>>12965294
The only academic in the past 50 years who has actually come out and said 'Academia itself has its own set of oppressive power structures that dictate opinions' is Foucault and he got in shit for it. And he didn't even actually say what they were- (race and gender politics primarily, but other stuff recently as well)

>ITS NO WONDER YOU DONT GET INVITED TO PLACES

I guess now the cracks in Peterson's education are showing. He hasn't engaged with any sort of academic literature, and Zizek is exasperated because he doesn't want to flex (name drop), but still can't understand what Peterson is getting at.

>>12965307
yeah, that can be taked as a compliment desu

What happened I'm late to the party

>>12965322
he's playing with his prey

I saw Zizek at a grocery store in Toronto yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now Jordan?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “Where are the marxists? WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS? *slurp* *sniff* WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

>>12965326
90% of the people making these succinct little cuck posts about Peterson being this or that or an idiot haven't been to university.

They're just larping as educated men.

>>12965329
its not like you need to google shit while preparing

>>12965339
homoeroticism. i wish i was kidding.

>>12965290
lol I'm making t shirts

Peterson managed to make Zizek look like a chad

>go to Peterson Reddit
>They're saying zizek is hard to understand

Lmfao damage control already

>>12965326
Isn't Peterson into Nietzsche? Zizek should have mentioned that Foucault was influenced by Nietzsche.

>judeo christian

juden peterstein comes forth

Peterson will have a hard time explaining this performance to his wife's son later today

>>12965354
kek

>Three white men on stage

Not watching

>>12965348
>haven't been to university.
literally everybody goes to university now. Retarded 80iq thots go to university

>>12965353
zizek IS a chad and always has been

otherwise explain this for me

>>12965326
People just spam memes and "epic btfo" garbage, as always. 4chan is just your average people after all

>>12965339
Two pseuds realize they can't actually debate with each other because they agree in 99% of things.

Tbh zizek has 20 years, life in communist Yugoslavia, 2 PhD on Peterson

>>12964908
>I expected a debate and instead got recycled lectures.
lol that's exactly what you should have expected

This is a small taste what 4chan felt like circa 2015-16

>YOU PROMISED ME MARXISTS, PETERSON, YOU PROMISED ME MARXISTS

He disowns the conservatives explicitly. This is the great unwinding

>>12965354
holy kek

>>12965387
But Peterson can speak English.

>>12965326
because the postmodern philosophers are almost always criticising modernity, not supporting it, and they almost all (Foucault included) are explicitly opposed to this identity politics bullshit.

>>12965044
sounds about right. somehow in modern times, some bizarro eastern euro accent give you authority. truth is, i can barely understand half the shit he is saying - his fucking accent - and i have no big trouble understanding my indian coworkers accents wtf

>>12965377
And yet here we are with half the thread screeching that Peterson is a liar and a moron.

His observations regarding the manner in which Marxism is surviving and thriving, under the radar through postmodernist philosophy, is accurate.

Is there any difference between Peterson and the most pedestrian type of self help? I'm asking seriously.

>>12965354
based reddit spy

zizek has the worst slur/lisp hybrid i have ever heard

>>12965386
Peterson is basically a socialist-lite, don't know why people think he is some sort of capitalist thinker.

>>12965394

so, now that jordan has become the marxists he claims to hate, when will he join a hippie commune?

>>12965394
?

>>12965348
You mean like you are ?

>>12965404
so essentially 1930 all over again

>>12965409
Peterson's is based on actual research.

Doesn't mean it's right, but at least it's not just some randumb spouting off.

>>12965409
Peterson has some extra things thrown in there about how Marxism and being trans are bad and Christianity is good

I thought the problem would be that Zizek would be too amicable, instead I have Peterson talking like a wounded dog. This is more sad than cathartic really. Nobody really did win this debate did we?

>They're actually agreeing about Christianity now
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>12965408
then name a postmodern neomarxist lmao

>>12965005
But Marxism is nothing more than a critique of capitalism therefore he HAS defended Marxism by using it to effectively critique capitalism.

>>12965414
he just kind of ran along with it to please his fans and take more money from them

falling in love is a catastrophe!

>t-that's why cupid has arrows..heh..
>*sniffles* what? *sniff* yeah, anyway..

>>12965354

lmao Peterson absolutely reduced to top tier bull prepper

are they drinking heineken?

>>12965056
I wonder how long it will take for "Cultural Marxist" to be considered antisemitic?

>>12965415
i love this interview so much, the guy who never did his job

he's straight up insulting him

>>12965431
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS?

>>12965426
>Peterson's is based on actual research.

Peterson's is based on 19th zoology lmaooooooooo

Why is this thread full of cringy leftists?

>>12965417
peterson has always been closer to zizek than ben shapiro, I don't know why he was ever looped into the right in the first place but hopefully this helps to break him away from that

>>12965343
And we should believe you because...

>zizek talks
[rapturous applause]

FAIR
AND
BALANCED

>>12965409
Peterson draws from a deep and lucid comprehension of the jungian methodological approach to psychoanalysis. Something that is as difficult to teach as it is to understand for oneself.

This gives Peterson a very unique tool set when approaching problems in his areas of speciality.

>>12965409
not really if you are the average jbp fan. he speaks with authority of psychology (not psychoanalysis obviously mind you), but anyone who i have ever met that loves jbp is a deeply depressed person and he helped them out with their lives

i dont find these people pathetic, and this made me sympathize with peteron a bit more

>>12965376
unironically based

Zizek completely controls the conversation, he's like a teacher giving a private lesson to a promising 20 year old student.

>>12965435
you all fuckers only want JBP/ZIZ BTFO compilations. fuck off

>>12965404
I didn't say otherwise, but Peterson noticed something that absolutely exists, and that is academics who are part marx, part postmodern, part identity politics, etc. It's sophism to say otherwise. Look at Nietzsche, if you want an odd analogy. Some of his biggest fans are leftists. It would be dishonest to say "Durr Nietzsche was the opposite of the left, so these people don't exist"

>>12965377
>literally everybody goes to university now
Barely 50% in most Western countries

>"judeo" christian
>capitalist
Pick one and only one. All this christian larping is ridiculous.

>>12965454
>>>/pol/
back to your safe space, faggo!

Zizek is absolutely disgusting, I cant bare to listen to him for 5 seconds with all that phlegm and nose touching

God is an atheist

I honestly think zizek will be read in 100 years with confusion

Based Zizek likes G. K. Chesterton.

>>12965409
He's written a self-help book. That ought to help you answer your question.

>>12965458
kill yourself

>>12965418
its a scene from bioshock

>>12965339
first 40 minutes
>Peterson says "I couldn't read all (any) of your work" and attacks the communist manifesto at face value
>audience literally laughts and Peterson gets nervous
>btfo himself
Next 40 minutes
>Zizeks bashes lefties he doesn't like and
>gets a bit confusing
>says there's no solution to enviromental Chrises but surely market can't solve it
>is nice to Peterson to not make him look completely stuid
Next 10 minutes
>Peterson pulls a Pinker in defense of capitalism
Next 15 minutes
>Zizek pulls jokes, the audience loves him
Next 5 minutes
>Peterson says Zizek is smart and well read
>Zizek subveredly calls Peterson an idiot
>Zizek asks Peterson who are those Marxists in "Postmostern neo-marxists"
>Peterson seems to have not read anything past his 3 authors.

Brutal.

>GOD WAS AN ATHEIST ON THE CROSS
self-plagiarism from Zizek here

>>12965454
They get BTFO on /pol/ all the time so they come hide here despite /lit/ being even more right wing

>YOURSELF

It's over

HOLY SHIT

>>12965484
based justin posting

>we live in a society

he's gone full sniff

>>12965459
Hiearchies emerge based on competency no?

muh socioeconomic factors

>>12965458
>>/reddit/

jesus

zizek doesnt respect peterson at all

>zizek flailing around like a man having spastic fits
YSSHHR SHHEPERATION FROM SHSHHH GOD IS DIVINITY IN ITSSHHHSHSHSHSHSHSELF

>>12965486
He's making my head hurt

Whoa, Zizek just asked the first good question in this debate

>so on and so on
>*rubs nose*
>*snif*

>>12965465
>>12965394
>>12965376
>>12965354
>>12965304
>>12965285
>>12965173

Why are leftists so disgustingly smug and arrogant?

>>12965471
Are you aware of what 50% of the population entails in terms of cognitive abilties? Universities were first created and maintained by the literal elite of society

>>12965431
Zizek won. He set the terms of the debate and questioned the foundations Peterson's criticism.

>>12965339
Basically this

peterson BTFO for all eternity

>can a NK'n put his house in order so easily?
Peterson btfo

Why did they do a debate one guy has a cold and is slobbering everywhere? Could have waited a week so we can actually understand him

>>12965471
>Barely 50% in most Western countries
exactly

>>12965448
already is, apparently its a right wing conspiracy theory and has been for several years.
>>12965453
>>12965460
I wish it was zoology, more like alchemy.
>>12965458
filthy, dumb, newfag scum

>>12965436
I don't really understand the question; it's not a self identification, it's a label of identification via assessment. The label is independent of the self assessment of the identified party.

It's like calling someone a retard.

Few people earnestly self identify as retards. But does that mean they aren't retards, or the label doesn't exist?

Think before you post, retard. The big brains are thinking.

>>12965503
He does this with literally everyone

*snifffffff*
YOURSHELF

I don't watch debates, but does the audience usually clap and cheer every time they make an argument?

>>12965512
not a leftist desu, im just in it for the memes

>>12965484
Zizek is controlling everything on that stage, Peterson is just there to suffer, the moderator was already dead 2 minutes into Zizek's first overtime.

What the fuck is with the trannies spamming the YT stream chat?

>>12965503
can't really blame him

>>12965512
please just let us have this

petersonposting has plauged this board for like 3 years now. zizek has for longer but his threads are just obscurantism and die immediately

The absolute state of peterstein-fags

>>12965518
you're deluded if you don't think he's having fun with his new bro. in literally two hours they've disagreed maybe three times. in a debate.

zizek is going in for the kill. now the real show starts

>>12965512
BTFO

>>12965459
Peterson's on his home turf. If anything he should have the upper hand

>>12965506
What was it

Tea or coffee?
YES PLEASE

>>12965519
Peterson clearly refers to people living in the free and open west, you leftist moron.

>>12965512
he still hasn't named one though

>>12965503
Why would he. This ought to be an academic debate, yet Peterson is a mediocre academic. He deserves no respect.

>>12965517
this picture is dishonest and this person is scum
so, well composed, I guess

who are the fucking retards on the crowd wooing at the arguments, i would die of cringe if i was next to that kind of retard in an auditorium

>>12965408
>nobody here has been to university
>not everyone here believes what I believe
>see? Im right

What are you even doing?

>>12965529
It's endearing. Everyone is equal.

>>12965451
That whole line of questioning was murdering Peterson thoroughly.

>>12965512
cope

>>12965525
>already is
I'm not surprised, they are trying to make "globalist" antisemitic

THERE IT IS. "Thats life" that was it
the killing blow. Ohh nooooo this has no transgressed entertainment into the realm of tragedy.

>>12965468
This. Marx was memed endlessly in academia, along with Freud and Nietzsche. It's not quite a socalist interpretation like Marx intended, but it's still ubiquitous.

THAT'S LIFE

>>12965553
No he's obviously specifically referring to North Koreans

>>12964998
yes

>>12965503 see >>12965529
Zizek is an idiot, he claims so himself. He doesn't understand the basic niceties of conversation

>this is where things get complicated *sigh* ahem.......... i wanna use things to address... ahum the things you mentioned....ahum........

>>12965552
CAPITALISM OR MARXISM

YES PLEASE

M A P S
O
F
M E A N I N G

>>12965527
>But does that mean they aren't retards, or the label doesn't exist?
yes, they aren't really retards and because there's no way to assign the label to it doesn't really exist

there has to be a valid answer to the question. who are the postmodern neomarxists? if there are none, then it's a literal spook

This is straight up bullying.

What Chesterton book did Zizek cite?

>>12965468
Yes, but he won't address an obvious link, so we can't progress past that point, can we?
Everyone knows postmodernism was directly inspired by Nietzsche, at least in part, and everyone knows both Marxists and postmodernists have a disgust for capitalism.
But Jordan B. "Yourself" Peterson attacks these policies which are anti-white, anti-male, etc. but is unable to give specifics, while still agreeing that Zizek is right when he points out Marxists do not support this.
How weird.

>>12965544
that's not true at all. Zizek thinly-veiled jabs are always covered in a "naive question" or "total agreement", but in reality he's called him an idiot several times already. Honestly, Peterson is taking this quite well and does not seem to take insult

>>12965503
Zizek is a professional shitstirer, thats how he comes up with arguments in the first place desu

Have either of them named the Jew yet?

>muh psychology
literally pseudoscience.

ahahah look at zizeks face, hes DISGUSTED

>>12965530
Not really but unfortunately Zizek and JP have absolutely awful fanbases. They think it's a brawl when in reality it's merely a conversation.

>>12965576
holy shit lobsters damaging control now focusing on manners

>>12965533
Even worse. You just hate Peterson because he is popular and you have you personality beyond le ebin 4cin contrarianism. Pure cancer.

>>12965540
Most Peterson threads were made by his detractors. I'll admit that I started browsing /lit/ because Peterson got me into Jung, but I never spammed him on the board and instead tried to broaden my horizons. Just admit that you are some sort of leftist with an ax to grind against this guy and his agenda.

>>12965582
Orthodoxy I think

the other day I saw a video of chomsky defending AOC's green new deal. Are all commies mentally ill?

How long is this shit?

Peterson the psychologist cannot compete with continental psychoanalyst. Zizek has read too fucking much.

>my house is messy because I live in a society
is zizek a retard or merely pretending to wind peterson up?

>>12965582
Orthodoxy

Y O U C A N H E L P M E I F I S T R A Y.
Peterson has accepted Zizek as daddy.

>life is intrinsically pessimistic
what the fuck is this shit show

How long has been the debate and should I wait until it ends and see it tomorrow?

>>12965529
>Humanity is okay but most people are boring idiots

>>12965530
It's stupid. I blame North Americlaps.

/pol/ here
zizek absolutely dismantling peterstein on his own turf
amazing

>>12965567
>you asked three questions instead of one
>that's life
if that's your idea of a BTFO you may as well be WOOing in the audience

>>12965553
quit accusing me of not being a Christian

>>12965582
Orthodoxy.

>>12965597
no, but those two definitely are

>>12965551
>Can you set your house in order if society's rules/setup are stopping you from doing so?
Peterson, to my mind, basically assumes that everyone is a high-agency, self-motivated person. 80% of people just want a dignified place in the social-economic order, and won't be able to if society's setup selects against that. Peterson's view just seems really Whig and hyper-Protestant to me

>>12965588
numerous subtle allusions to Weininger

i just tuned in

they sound like they're about to make out

This is simply
Continental vs North American academics

>>12965606
Skip the first 30 minutes, it will give you brain cancer, not even kidding.

>this is supposed to be about happiness

>>12965596
Yeah, didn't hear it well. Thanks

>>12965616
I'm not a christian either, faggot. But even worse, you're a tripfag. Go sign up to a forum and never return to this place.

It feels like JP is doubting himself

>tfw you have to listen to a canadian retard

Life isn't just suffering Peterson ffs.

>>12965530
"debates" are not about ideas anymore, they're about getting content for "x DESTROYS y with FACTS and LOGIC" and "cringe compilation" videos.

>>12965606
You should entirely skip the opening statements and focus on the rest. I'm serious. Peterson said nothing for 30 minutes, Z rambled his greatest hits for 35 minutes. It was useless.

>starts shilling his book
lmao

>>12965503
Nah man, he respects him, that's why he makes fun of him. It's like we curse and love and each other here, dipshit.

>>12965635
Underage detected.

>>12965621
>Peterson, to my mind, basically assumes that everyone is a high-agency, self-motivated person
I don't think he assumes that so much as that he believes that striving to be that is the best option, even for people who aren't.

>>12965627
>this turned out to be about our schadenfreude from Peterson getting raped

>>12965621
So basically referring to intelligent white people and not dumb blacks and women

Jungian Vs Lacanian-Hegelian

>>12965635
For him it is

how can a canadian sound more retarded than a fat sniffing slovenian with a lisp

>>12965632
>mfw Peterson becomes a born again Zizekian

>>12965393
Wtf are you talking about

>>12965593
i've only read Zizek. Sorry you don't know anything about him

>>12965635
it is tho

He's talking about cleaning houses again

>>12965477
Makes sense Chesterton loathed capitalism so much more than socialism.

>>12965594
I don't hate Peterson desu, didnt mean to offend anyone i was just taking the piss

>>12965585
>but is unable to give specifics, w
Well, he said a quarter of profs fit his description to which Zizek simply repeated his sophism. But yes, Peterson should know the concrete facts of the matter. I honestly just hate both of them after seeing this. because Zizek is full of shit for implying otherwise especially as an academic.

>>12965635
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

Aight peterson is coming back

>>12965635
Zizek says the same thing himself often

>>12965625
that's disrespectul to north american academics

>>12965527
No, it's not like calling someone a retard, because when you call someone a retard you are explicitly naming them in order to call them a retard.
Or, you are calling a group of people retards, or saying there are retards among them. In which case you should be able to name one individual you consider a retard, regardless of their self-identification.
You must be able to give at least one name if they exist.

>>12965637
not really, the crowd making it that way is kind of sad really. but you can see that those two would have an honest organized conversation that would be much better if it would be set up at a studio without retarded crowds

Doesn't matter, many Peterson fans are 5th avenue fanatics, and he'll be making the rounds this week on damage control, saying he was thrown off, zizek was obtuse, or whatever.

AND-

>>12965484
based Justin murphy should have been in the debate

>>12965632
I think he's realising his fame was built upon his responses to a strawman. I'm not even kidding, it seems he actually respects what Zizek is saying as feels insecure because he was arguing against his own mind, not against third party ideas.

>>12965635
Stop being such a brainlet.

>let me point out the 3 things you addressed
>addresses none and goes into making similarities with his psychiatry work and how it relates to capitalism making people happy

>>12965647
>>12965666
nope.jpg
>>12965652
kek
>>12965658
that just comes from buddhist horsehit tho
>>12965668
i'm not in either of these camps

OH NO NO NO

look at that body language
Zizek is relaxed, slouched, unconcerned with his opponent
peterson is erect, at attention, stuttering, as if he was just dropped into the lion's den and he forgot his gun

Why doesn't the larger academic simply eat the smaller one

>>12965651
The white working class in the midwest US and northern england overdosing on opiods don't need to 'get their house in order' - they've been systematically betrayed by a governing elite that has crafted a socioeconomic system that has failed them.

>>12965657
response?

>talking about women as if they were some second party

This moderator doesn't understand the Stalin jokes

what if society was encouraging people to have messy rooms. What then???

>>12965676
Peterson is going to say it was an interesting conversation, but then will say Zizek isn't a "real Marxist"

>both left and right watch the show
Peterson deliberately lose himeself because else lefts would not watch it. He became a straw man for pay.

>all the brainlets in this thread thinks that it's Zizek vs Peterson
>in reality it's more like Zizek and Peterson have more in common than anyone thinks and that Zizek is a step ahead of Peterson in some areas
>Peterson fails to address how one person can change anything if they're too oppressed

FELIX COOLPA

>>12965580
A postmodern neo-marxists is an ideologue of the postmodern philosophy of though, who also holds true to the ideological presuppositions of Marxism .

I'm having a really hard time understand g why you brainlet posters don't understand something so simple.

>>12965691
unironically this

>>12965691
It's a doggy dog world.

>>12965680
He really feels candid in his self-doubt, as well. If it is not just a rhetorical trick, why hasn't he realized it earlier? Surely, someone must have told him? Maybe the high from being famous and a guru made him lose sight of that which he was actually interested in to begin with

>>12965689
BASED

>>12965693
No I'm pretty sure they should stop taking opioids like fucking retards

>>12965690
Peterson is trying, Zizek, as usual, just rambles off shallow talking points.

>>12965694
They should do a stream debate from their own homes like this.

I think a reading of Hegel will do good for peterson

It's clear that Zizek is a philosopher and Pidorson is a psychologist who wrote a self-help book.

here come the toilets

>>12965704
Zizek is Peterson translated into the politico-philosophical domain.

Peterson is still stuck in applied psychology.

I d e o l o g y

>>12965720
Unironically IQ to low

ZIZEK IS TALKING ABOUT TOILETS AGAIN

>>12965721
>maps of meaning is a self help book
Okay, retard.

>>12965690
Zizek has been doing this same act since the 90s. I love him but he never brings too many new things to the table. I guess not changing your stance isn't a bad thing though

>>12965678
?

>>12965714
link to the reddit?