/lit/ - Literature

>>12958650
Us

>>12958654
*Everyone except us
Whichever one of these clowns wins, we lose.

>>12958650
Where can I watch it?

>>12958663
>>12958650
y link the brothers up

>>12958650
Share it us if anyone finds an illegal stream

>>12958650
why's it happening on good friday?

>>12958650
Can't imagine two bigger hacks than these two.

>>12958708
Why is zizek a hack?

>>12958719
Continental philosophy is a joke in general.

>>12958676
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4

>>12958650
The Jews.

>>12958730
Chances are you're just stupid.

>>12958708
Mencius Moldbug vs. Noam Chomsky

>>12958719
You clearly have a dog in this fight. Sorry you follow a hack.

>>12958650
They're not that different. A lot of their arguments are based on obscurantist continental nonsense. I also like Zizek despite being a right-winger.

>>12959435
Ay fuck you

>>12958650
Sean Goonan is the most important thinker alive.

Zizek will destroy Peterson with a good sense of humor

Can we continue dabbing on that tankie in this thread?

>>12959510
Sure, people will claim Peterson won anyway.
Peterson is indeed afraid of an intellectual frontier.
People are stupid and want comfort and Peterson can satisfy them.

>>12958650
>>12958650
I’m just happy to see some juicy dialectic

>starts in 7 hours
we better get a sticky for this when the stream goes live

>>12959922
Will twitch streams be banned?

>>12959483
>alive
>not of all time

Why do people watch debates expecting there to be a winner?

>>12959834#
>Had there been any actual discussion in this thread yet?
You should know by now that any attempt of discussion when it comes to Peterson or Zizek will always devolve into anons thinking they're smarter than they are and nitpicking the most irrelevant details in order to devalue any other point no matter how extraneous that detail is in the bigger picture.

>>12958654
Fpbp, anon with that wise answer

>>12958661
How so? The point of a debate is to find an answer or, at least, find the best compromise. These things impart those who are involved and those who are witness with wisdom. Where is the loss?

>>12959904
After the old one dies

>>12959904
She was fucking smoking all comers and im not left wing by any means, give credit where its due
If thats representitive of what zizek is going to bring down on peterson then yikes

>>12960077
>She
welcome back tankie, thank you for joining us once more

>>12960077
t. AOC

CONTINUE THE THREAD HERE:
>>12960076

>>12960077
Because it was aoc, any sitting congress person is going to wax the floor with the average pleb, if this were pol it might be different

>>12960077
Her entire posting boiled down to 'We totally are about to stage a revolution believe me, and when we do it will be much better than present America, and I have zero evidence for this'

>>12960104
The US will definitely have a "Communist" revolution, but in reality it will be more like "Anglo-Progressive revoltution, Round N", will somehow be worse than what we have now, and will devolve into racial Maoism and a purgatory state for rednecks. On the bright side, at least Anglo thought will have definitively failed so the rest of the world can move on from it

>>12960165
this anon was literally saying she was part of a radical group posing as being moderate within the DSA and they were in the process of implementing some kind of revolution after which their Party would rule by iron fist including bugging and monitoring the entire population Orwell style

>>12960165
?

>>12960096
O I saw it was her at once, someone made a post about her and when she couldn’t resist responding it might as well have been her twitter lmao >>12959557

>>12960214
I dont believe for a second aoc posts on the literature board of 4chan, it was just some girl who is part of some gay commie chapter

>>12960180
I mean that doesnt sound super far fetched, no?

>>12960226
It’s not 4chan is super obscure. She’s young, loves literature and there’s a popular Chapo thread up
Who knows

>>12960026
You're wrong, that much is obvious to anyone who has ever been and/or participated in any form of debate, but the real question is: why? Which one are you, anon?

>>12960077
Link?

>>12960645
In the thread I linked here >>12960214

>>12959435
kys :*

>>12959907
>people will claim Peterson won anyway.

How did someone who constantly talks about individuals and against group identity get such a sheepish following?

>>12960096
>>12960214
>>12960226
I WANT TO BELIEVE. Shitposting commie mommy milkers!

>>12958650
>who's going to win?
me for not watching

>>12960096
>if this were pol it might be different
but /pol/ is even stupider than /lit/

>>12960775
Not for politics, /lit/ had no idea what communism and fascism were, she was literally educating them on basic subjects instead of debating
If it were /pol/ she would’ve had a proper scrap, but she also would’ve been drowned, we’re benefitted by being a much smaller board

>>12960745
If it was AOC she’d be posting 3-frame Beyoncé gifs and telling us we’ve got to do an epic nae-nae on climate change by opening our border

>>12960708
Because individualism is the ultimate sheep ideology.

>>12960077
>>12960797
This is embarrassing, weren’t you supposed to start dilating at 2?

>>12960797
What fucking thread did you read, she made no points at all

>>12960765
also me
anyone else in the winners club?

>>12960026
The point of a debate is just rhetoric dick measurement. The audience has already picked sides long ago and will leave the debate claiming their hero had the longer dick. Nothing of importance in philosophy or any other intellectual endeavor has ever been furthered in a debate.

>>12959434
Name a single proposal of Zizek’s. Show me a video where or quote from his books that doesn’t just circle around to bourgeois liberal managerialism after the punchline

>>12958650
peterson 100%

>>12960826
Mad

>>12958730
His book on Lacan and Hegel

>>12958650
Since the moderator is one of Peterson's pals, Peterson

>>12960007
Incoming from >>12960076

>>12958650
Hopefully Peterson cause I hate zizekfaggots more.

peterson: marxism is like, holy cow man! the 6 million russians in those evil evil camps! it's like, how can you expect to go on unless you arbitrary set goals for yourself? and that's freedom of thought, and that's capitalism.

zizek: ok sho, i want ferst to address some little tidbit you said inshted of your main point, becaush it linksh up with an anecdotal talking point i have ushed again and again and sho on and there ish a joke i can tell with eet ethshetra shetra but more to the point! the hishtorical ashepcts of soviet communionism do not. represhent. the ideology. or critique. of. capital. and so on.

>>12958650
>of the decade
More like of the century. This debate will determine the fate of Western Civilization. Will we ignore social and political problems and focus on ourselves while the world crumbles, as Peterson advises, or will we diagnose and solve our problems as Zizek would have us do.

golly gee bucko i just think that uh the current system is just fine be an individual and work under bourgeois managerialism itll be just fine clean ur room and improve yourself cuz real change is not. a path. you want. to go down.

zhee theeng ish moi problehm withsch dish idea of shanging thingsh is zhat change itshelf ish zhee shtandard idea, it ish almosht part of the conshstant shtruggle of shocietyee vish itshelf and therefore not violent enuff. eef vee want to shange thingsh vee should leave them ash they are.

>>12959435
chomsky is a much better scholar/philosopher/political thinker than fucking zizek. he just lacks the memes is all, he's a boring old man. i fall asleep listening to him talk. but he speaks the truth.

>>12960077
>smoking
>hurdur I beat up da fash n goldy faith
Come on dude I'm a lefty and that shit was just embarassing. I went back after you faggots talked it up so much I was expecting some sublime discourse and got some /pol/ tier attempts at bantz.

>>12961583
I don't think anyone has ever claimed Chomsky is the less sound philosopher of the two, no matter if they agree or not. Unless they're player-hating commies dumping on Chomsky for getting paid by the Man.

>>12961583
Eh, Chomsky's dismissal of continental philosophy is a detriment to his cause. At least Zizek has the courtesy to praise the importance of actual scientific advancement and analytical philosophy in terms of physics.

>>12961591
This is the sort of attitude everyone has until AOC drops in.
Everyone would do so much better until she’s there saying, “Yes?”
Given they didn’t realize it was her but my point is it’s easy to look on from the sidelines and feel like you could’ve take. out a congresswomen on politics.

>>12961643
Technically there is an obscure British school of sociology known as cultural Marxism, if I remember correctly

>>12961730
lol. fucking sociologists always have the worst interpretations of marx. And pretty much every serious thinker outside their discipline, for that matter.

>>12961563
Not bad

>>12961729
The absolute unthinking deference to authority(it's not even real auhtority it's a fucking shitposter dropping typical talking points) of you lefties is breathtaking.

You can't even argue a point, all you can do is flap around some figure who you think is allowed to say things

>>12958650
Daffy Duck vs Kermit the Frog

>>12961563
and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on...

Around 3 more hours before it's on

>>12961752
What? Not at all. Even if it wasn’t her my point stands. Everyone is talking about they would have done so much better, she was taking all comers no problem. As I said elsewhere, maybe only brainlets were on, or maybe it’s easier in your imagination.

>>12961793
She didn't even know the definition of fascism you complete brainlet

>>12961802
Yeah I’m sure your esoteric Evolean specification is the only true definition, shut the fuck up. She not only defined it correctly by the books, she also added that it didn’t matter, all that mattered was how she chose to define it. So it literally doesn’t even matter to begin with how you define it.

>>12961818
The correct definition is the one that the Fascists defined in the fucking Doctrine of Fascism
>>12961818
>she also added that it didn’t matter, all that mattered was how she chose to define it.
Im aware that there are many ways in which she embarrassed herself in the thread yes

>>12961827
>textual definitions of fascism.
I don't know who the fuck you're talking about but this is cringe bro

>>12961841
yeah bro and there's no reason to read Capital if you want to know what Marxism is

>>12961827
>Doctrine of Fascism
Ah i see u again, do u think this is like the international consensus textbook or something? Lmao

>>12961857
No it's only the document written by the men who started the Fascist party

>>12961856
It might be helpful, but you would also need to know the actual history of working class struggle, the communist bloc, and economic theory more broadly. You cannot say, "communism is whatever marx said" without leaving out really important stuff. Jodi Dean, in The Communist Horizon, points these things out pretty well.

>>12961881
I see! Which is why Hitler and Mussolini’s regimes looked exactly alike, because they both knew the Doctrine of Fascism and followed it to a T.

>>12961905
Do you define Marxism by the Soviet Union? didnt think so

>>12961903
If you want to know what Marxism is I said, not communism, then you read Marx. Fascism was a specific movement made by men who literally wrote down what its worldview and objective were

>>12961912
What a dumbass response lmao, you’re saying fascism is only what’s laid out in your precious book, when the book is clearly irrelevant to realworld manifestations of fascism, which vary.

>>12961912
the british defined Hinduism solely by the Veda texts they had, which created an absolutely static and woefully inadequate understanding of society in India. Textualism is at the root misunderstanding of many things about the east vs the west.

>>12961924
Exactly what people say about Marxism isnt it? They say 'read capital', the USSR wasn't socialist

I see now why you've just been sucking off the other anon instead of posting, you argue like a dumb sack of shit

>>12961922
If you're saying that, like Marxism, fascism is only an ideology, then you're immediately doing a disservice to all those who are talking about the actual history of states and the things they did. But even then, Marxism is mostly a framework of analysis, fascism is incredibly hollow on those grounds.

>>12961929
So you would suggest what then, asking the Hindu themselves? There are no fascists around to ask. You know who you should not ask? The sworn enemies of Fascism who hate everything about it, theyre not likely to be very objective

>this fucking chat in a livestream
Holy fuck tone down the cringe morons

Why are there so many fucking cuckservatards and other right-wing trash on /lit/? Thought you guys were the "big bad lefty boogieman"? Guess /tv/ lied to me again.

>>12961939
How can you see not see that you’re flat wrong? Ad hominems will make you feel better but hardly help your case.
Your book says: Fascism is only this.
The world shows: Fascism is this and that and this and that.
AOC says: Fascism is this and that and this and that.
You say: But muh book
And now you’re whining incomprehensibly about Marx, shut the fuck up dude.

>>12961940
Fascism is hollow in your opinion, Marxism is garbage in many others'. If you want to talk about the history of Italy and how it diverged from the Fascist doctrine go ahead, but don't lie from the outset about what the movement was.

>>12961943
There were plenty of contemporaneous speeches and interviews from self proclaimed fascists in the 20s through 40s. But it's also about observing what they did and the historical and economic moment that defined them.

>>12961949
>cuckservatards
I'm going to stop you right here.

>>12961951
You're actually so fucking dumb you can't grasp the comparison to Marxism re states vs doctrine. You're some puerto rican 90IQ trash from an nyc suburb arent you

Aoc didnt talk about Italy, she talked about fascism as the removal of minority races, a phenomenon which a)did not accompany the initial Fascist state, and b)frequently accompanies regimes that are not Fascist.

>>12961954
I mean, do you have any idea how much theory, in terms of history, economics and politics that Marxism spawned? Hitler, Evola, Mussolini, these people are not intellectual heavy weights that's just a fact. You can say Marx was wrong, but you cannot say that there isn't incredible depth to the analysis.

>>12961978
>You can say Marx was wrong
you could, but then you'd be wrong.

>>12961730
I thought that’s what they first referred to cultural studies as until they came up with a more appropriate name.
>>12961714
I don’t see why embracing continental philosophy would do for him.

>>12961978
Marxism has no predictive power and neither socialism nor communism will ever occur, it's nothing more than ground for endless pseudo-theological masturbation

>>12961970
Yeah lmao good luck dude, in general. I’ve even broken it down into easy kindergarten patterns and you still just can’t get it. You do you.

>>12961991
That's what I thought you dumb fucking spic

>>12961714
chomsky dismisses "theory". especially in his early writings he engages thinkers like descartes, rousseau, kant, js mill, and marx often

>>12961989
materialistic dialect is an extremely powerful ideology. it's not going to go away sorry bucko.

>>12962000
Neither will Christianity or Islam, but the Second coming isn't coming

>>12961968
>he says, posting Rick_Sanchez.png

>>12961978
>I mean, do you have any idea how much theory, in terms of history, economics and politics that Marxism spawned?
and he still couldnt get over our boi stirner

>>12961989
Nothing you wrote is even remotely correct.

>>12962011
hello i don't read book please explain what stirner did

>>12962012
What is the predictive power of Marxism exactly? It has none. It is religion masquerading as ideology, it's endless permutations are like Talmudic wankery

>>12962010
>look, mom, I'm hating popular things, are you proud of me?

>>12962003
christianity and islam exist to humor the materialists.

>>12961989
Marx's LTV has incredibly predictive power. He also correctly predicted globalization, the break down of the family, and the falling rate of profit. Sure he didn't get everything 100% correct, but there are things worth looking at.

>>12962022
He didn't predict it, he caused it.

>>12962022
Marxist economics cannot predict anything about the economy. You can find any number of 19th century thinkers who correctly predicted things that happened in the 20th century

>>12962011
I'll admit, the extent to which stirner made marx buttmad amuses even me

>>12962017
stirner took a shit on communism and rightly so, marx was so upset that he wrote a full book calling him ugly names and didnt even get it published lmao

>>12961989
>>12962022
we're talking philosophy and not fucking augury, buds

>>12962022
>Sure he didn't get everything 100% correct,
i'd say he absolutely nailed around 80-90%. No one can deduce/"predict" with 100% accuracy cause people aren't wizards so it's unfair to say that unless he got 100% everything correct, his works are to be discarded.

Begin with a straightforward introduction on background on both thinkers: they’re scholarly achievements and their publications. On the stage sits Peterson, legs crossed, hands in his lap. He sports (in the clear sense) a blue suit and brown shoes. He looks wealthy. He has on a serious face. Zizek sits laidback, hands on his thighs, black shirt, jeans. He often licks his lips, twitches his nose, blinks his eyes.
MED. Gentlemen, I would like to start off simply. Would each of you please clear the air as to how you define capitalism, and then communism. Dr. Peterson, would you please start.
PET. (Looking down at the ground ahead) Geez. What a task! Sure, I’d love to. Well, yeah, you know, to keep it short, it’s not that hard, you know: capitalism, in its ideal state, creates wealth for others. I can’t speak for how well it’s used currently, or we’ll end up like the talking heads you see everywhere, you know, end-of-the-world-news-anchor-clips, that sort of deal. I can say, though (looks clearly at someone in the audience, likely the mediator), that capitalism, in any instance, is preferable to marxism or communism, and not only can we turn to cases in history, but the fundamental argument of each system to see that.
MED. Thank you. Dr. Zizek?
ZIZ: (Blinking fast, licking lips). I tink (pinches nose), Dr. Peterson has hit everyteeng on the head, you know. But! (points finger in the air) like most capeetaleests, he grossly jumps to one end of the spectrum while forgetting the goods and the bads, as some of us say, of the core ideas. Even on the flight here, for instance, I was flipping through one of my favorite books, David Foster Wallace’s Thee Pale Keeng, and I saw (sniff), a passage, from this genius, no less, that lays out an idea of Marxism, and it says something along the lines of, “In Communist society it will be possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I please,” Yesh, just as I please! Now I can hear Dr. Peterson offering his rebuttal, of labor and division and inshentive, but to this I only give a nod to a near future, where all of this is possible. Should we give up?
MED. Dr. Peterson, would you like to respond?

Isn't only the theory of capital from Marx worth a shit? Are you guys really trying to discredit his whole work?

>>12962026
>He didn't predict it, he caused it.
lol. It was the capitalists who globalized, who's competition led to the falling rate of profit, who's profit seeking led to new markets being opened, which destroyed the family to get more and more laborers at its disposal.

>>12962028
It can predict sector prices and profits, and it can predict crisis

>>12962062

>>12962062
You should have written something along the lines of "Peterson thinks that, but the situation is quite the opposite" for Zizek.

>>12962062
nice

>>12961951
>AOC says: Fascism is this and that and this and that.
What was meant by that? It didn’t define fascism in a meaningful way. It just established “fascism” as the set ideologies which she could justify the use of violence against and claimed to have the institutional control to give that violence legitimacy. That person made no real ideological assertions, and it was more akin to Khrushchev banging his shoe on the lectern than it was stating meaningful positions.

>>12961949
Go back to your discord safe space, nigger

>>12962033
>marx and engels all cuddled up cheek to cheek co-inspecting lines of text as if that's how you craft ideas

Why is Marxist art so goddamned gay?

unironically cleaning my room while waiting for the debate to start

>>12962150
He means fascism is whatever he and the tee vee want it to be.

Yes, there are NPCs on /lit/, too.

Someone linked the stream to /pol/
My comfy experience is getting ruined by flithy nazis

>>12962182
topkek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YamAsbzPKA

>>12962195
good you dumb faggot go eat a knife

Plase stop talking about AOC. She's making Peterson and Zizek look like actual intellectuals.

>>>/pol/210534167
At this point I'm inclined to believe that this person
1. Truely believes that it was AOC
2. Is either very stupid, or taking the piss and trying to humiliate AOC

>>12962190
She specifically said she wasn’t interested in allowing fascists to identify themselves and that all that mattered was her opinion. Disagree with her or not, she’s an authoritarian, she wasn’t actually trying to debate, she was just saying, “This is what qualifies, if you qualify you’re fucked.”

>>12962200
cf. my post which I intended to post here >>12962208

So the event itself starts 7:30 est. on stream? Gotta hit the gym and don't want to miss it.

>>12962065
>the theory of capital from Marx worth a shit
Who told you that rubbish?

>>12962212
she took on about 15 anons and made most of them look dumb. that guy isn’t far off, maybe exaggerating very slightly but not a lot at all.

>>12962214
and it's actually every thread since the first one, come on

>>12962065
Capital from Marx is great

>>12962213
No argument there.

>>12962153
Seethe, /pol/shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCVck7bIbBI

>>12962226
>more than ten audience members wearing fedoras

>>12962245
Have sex.

>>12962222
>made most of them look dumb.
You only made them look dumb in the eyes of a narrow group of people who'd already accepted your premised
Furthermore, you avoided responding to posts that would take things in awkward directions for your arguments

>>12962268
*premises

>>12962248
jesus christ

>>12962268
this you thing youre doing is weird, not sure if u literally think i was the poster or if youre ESL. she was ignoring posts that were either dumb or personal (ie do you live in NYC, or BUT DEFINE FASCISM A FIFTH TIME)

>>12962285
take your fat illiterate brown sack of shit you call a body and fuck off

>>12962222
literally happens all the time on /lit/. takes a true child to give a flying fuck.

>people STILL think it was really her

>>12962293
>people
lel

I don't care about either of these two clowns.

>>12962291
hm doubt

>>12962290
don’t (you) someone you dont want a response from genius, dont stick a penny in the electrical socket either

>>12958650
Why are women not represented in this "debate"?

>>12962285
I can’t blame people for wanting a definition when it’s clear the concept exists in that person’s mind solely to justify violence. Again that person made no meaningful assertions, only threats.

>>12962324
You keep saying “justifies violence”, communists don’t need fascism to justify a revolution. Their ideology is inherently and selfadmittedly violent, the only foil it needs is capitalism.

>>12962302
kys fag

>>12962345
eat shite, lobsterboi

>>12958650
Zizek will troll the shit out of him. Peterson's been off the ball for the past year.

>>12962343
Fair enough, I guess “justifies violence in a non-revolutionary setting.” Essentially the set of positions so intolerable that they must be forcibly destroyed whenever they pop up.

>>12961591
>Come on dude I'm a lefty
cringe

Will there be a livestream?

>>12961999
>especially in his earlier writing he engages with thinkers like...Kant
Where in specific?

>>12961591
>I'm a lefty
>uses "faggots"
Ah, you must be /leftypol/ kind of """""lefty""""".

>>12962293
Do people literally think there's one left-wing woman in existence? AOC isn't even far left.

>>12962465
This, women are too dumb for politics

>>12962465
>people

>>12962200
Who is that, L Ron Hubbard?

Did it happen already?

>>12962534
yeah, Zizek didnt show up.

>>12962293
I'm willing to pretend it's her until they realize trying to talk themselves up by pretending it's her just makes her look like an idiot

>>12962551
>until they realize trying to talk themselves up by pretending it's her just makes her look like an idiot
Humans don't live that long

>>12961968
nigga posted a rick and morty meme lol

Stream link besides the youtube one?

>>12961968
Too late my dick's already in ur mouth

>>12962551
it's an alt-right 4channel prank trying to smear her name by associating her to this place because sadly the msm thinks all 4chan is /pol/ and white nationalists, not accepting that progressive boards like /lit/ exist.
Jsut ignore all the trumpretards.

>>12962606
>progressive boards like /lit/
lolwut, only if compared to /pol/, perhaps.

>>12962343
>communists don’t need fascism to justify a revolution
In the current political context they behave as if they do. Antifa only talks about capitalism internally. In all public statements, especially those amplified by the press, resistance to "fascism" is always the pretext.

>>12962666
>especially those amplified by the press, resistance
Honk honk

>>12961575
underrated

>>12962666
Antifa are radlibs.

Regardless, revolutions are historically contingent events and unless you have an actual guerrilla army rearing to go they often operate on the logic of the accomplished fact. To create justifications for the need for revolution now, in a non-revolutionary moment, is not useful.

>>1296260
I also don't think she's dumb enough to say things that would end her political career even in an anonymous setting. I'm sure Schumer and Pelosi would be thrilled to know that the new Lenin is withing their ranks, and the Republicans would be genuinely thrilled to hear that she described herself that way.

>>12958650
>debate
stop saying this, zizek literally pussied out and requested the format to be that each of them would present their thesis one at a time, then ending with a follow-up Q&A. It's not a debate.

>>12958650
Most influential?

>>12962703
>Honk honk
haha using 4chan memes! I get it

>>12962738
>Antifa are radlibs.
At the periphery, yes. The ones more involved with organization are anarcho-communists. Which is a contradiction in terms but there you go.

The rest of your statement I have no argument with. However I will say that fascism is always the reaction to communism, so communists will always need a component of "bash the fash" in their ideology.

>>12958650
>participating in a meme showdown on Good Friday
Isn’t that hack supposed to be a Christian?

>>12962807

>>12962821
only symbolically

>>12962666
I think you misunderstand the situation. They use fascism as an excuse to justify non-revolutionary violence. It's likely done to prevent movements they find intolerable from gaining support that might come to such a movement in the midst of revolutionary instability.

fascism is a buzz word
people who want clicks say fascism
i've never heard a normal person say fascism
antifa literally just wants the click

>>12962884
no
yes
no
yes

>>12962811
>The ones more involved with organization are anarcho-communists.
only in the most nominal possible sense
>Which is a contradiction in terms but there you no it's not

>>12962798
No it's a formal debate, zizek leads for 30/minutes, then Peterson responds for 30 minutes, then there's 10 minutes back and forth followed by questions

>>12962904
explain yourself you dumb fucking piece of shit

Fascism is fun.

Who here #snackready and #hellacomfy?

>>12958961
Is this legit?

>>12962916
ok but who got stream link?

>>12962914
Fascism is a cheap knockoff of Communism

>>12962908
I dont have to, its your fault you lack the comprehension. But im sure youll say your brother posted this.

>>12962932
you just state shit without supporting anything you useless fuck

Funcism.

>>12962938
prove it

>>12962302
I'm just here to see the circus.

>>12962926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&feature=youtu.be
This seems to be where everyone is at least.

>>12962916
i got some #cheezits

>>12962492
It's Wallace Stevens, dude.

>>12962968
can't wait for this stream to be revealed as a ruse in a few minutes

loving the memes that are posted on the chat

>>12962978
looks like a horde of discord tier bottomfeeders to me

>>12962968
i hope this guy just posts a mexican cartel video or something

Should I be taking notes?

>>12962938
that’s what I thought. think twice next before you call someone names, it might just be me, and im out of your fucking league

>>12962992
People like to talk shit until they get asked to provide proofs. Good shit from a good anon. Props.

There is no such thing as a right wing intellectual. It doesn't exist.
Ayn Rand was a shit novelist, Friedman was a garbage economist..and Peterson is a trash self helper.

You american mongrels will now see a proper debate, as is it and should be. Oxford STYLE

>>12963005
What makes the right good is that it is anti-intellectual. It's why the left has never produced a truly great poet. Plenty of good ones but never a great one.

>>12963003
thx preciate tha luv, some take facts, some take fags u feel me

>>12963008
Zizek already states he specifically wanted it to be a discussion and not a debate or whatever it is your second rate uni offers

>>12963015
Modern left vs right is a dichotomy from the enlightenment you stupid bitch, the greatest poets predate the entire concept.

>>12963005
what about authors who explicitly supported the axis in wwii like Céline, Hamsun and Mishima

>>12962916
Pouring jager and coke. Getting chips.

>>12963008
Owned by >>12963025
Change your anon name to his post number bitch

>>12963028
That doesn't make what I said any less true.

>>12963025
>wanted it to be a discussion
That's what a good debate is

>>12963035
Tell me what you think the enlightenment was.

>>12963005
>mfw Goethe was either left wing or not an intellectual

>>12963005
>Peterson
>right-wing
There will be such confusion over bait and /rdt/ in the coming weeks. Hundreds of millions will perish.

>>12963025
a oxford style debate is a discussion... youve exposed yourself as a brainlet

I got a feeling this will be comfy

is the stream a lie? were we all baited? only time will tell.

Peterson's religion is what zizek calls atheist christianity

>>12963052
O God it’s this retard, you’re not welcome

oh shit the stream wasn't a hoax

guess I'm staying up

>laughs at /lit/ in self-help

HERE WE GO

>>12963055
Nope but there's no sound ;_;

Anyone else feel like one of the guests in the Protagoras or Euthydemus dialogue? Just shamelessly watching an intellectual boxing match for amusement.
But to an extent I am genuinely interested in seeing how these two guys clash.

>>12963055
God willing it will be true and uninterrupted.

God forbid anyone pay to watch a debate

how are there thousands of people on the stream?
who else is on it besides /lit/ posters?

Allah please give us sound

>debate
>no audio
what a ruse

>>12963068
we are many

backup stream pls. this is gonna get taken down any second.

>>12963068
/tv/ here.

>>12963062
Based

Clean your room buckos

>>12963068

chapo niggers

>>12963064
unless someone has a legit stream to confirm, there might not be sound until they enter the stage (right now it's just people finding their seats etc.)

>stream is legit
HEY PETERSON, ZIZEK, I HAVE £15 RIGHT HERE FOR YOU *GRABS CROTCH*

>>12963068
Memerson has a reddit cult following everything he does

Hope the sound isn't gone

>>12958650
The people who sell tickets to the event hall. Certainly not either of the "debaters" and definitely not anyone who wastes their time listening to this nonsense.

>mfw I'm only here for Zizek to make a Stalin joke in front of thousands of viewers

>>12963068
its being shared around twitter a bit and there's a thread on /pol/

>>12963068
lit, int, pol, tv I know of

probably redd*t too

>>12963068
Peterson is a meme
Zizek is a meme
Of course a lot of people will be watching meme vs megameme

so theres no official stream? just this shit?

>>12963068
Žižek and Pederson are extremely well-known people

>>12963087
>meme vs megameme
just who is the meme and who the megameme??

THE SOUND IS ON!

>>12963088
you have to pay for official stream

Anybody have the stream link?

ITS LIVE.

>>12958650
Where the fuck can I see it?

The chat is a wild wild west

>>12963088
Streaming is illegal. that's why it's a video called debate club, so as not to tip off youtube

This stream gonna get shut down right

>>12958650
We will all lose because both of them are hacks.

>>12963091
fucking classical

>>12963090
zizek is creme de la meme, the meme supreme. Peterson is genuinely a charlatan.

>>12963068
the stream was probably posted somewhere else. I bet it will go down once it starts

>>12963093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

>>12963100
>Peterson is genuinely a charlatan.

SOMEONE POST THE OTHER STREAM

Here's the stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0&fbclid=IwAR1TMRuOGvhpZQEV3np0Hd4i7Oj6y_tUP-AeCQ0G20jd7UBEaS4Hcj47sZ4

Zizek pussied out

>>12963100
fair enough, have a zizek meme

>zizek
I never trust a person who hates Stalin yet calls themselves a leftist

>>12963100
Other way around, buddy.

6k people watching the official stream, what does this mean for america?

>>12963106
BASED

>>12963110
nice

>>12963082
Faggots are going to get it shut down.

>>12963005
>he doesn't know who Schelling is

>>12963114
embarrassing

>>12963106
DONT SPREAD THIS

>>12963106
that stream is gonna die soon, too much traction. They're gonna shut it down and uplaod it to youtube later probably

>>12963110
el clasico

so this stream is full of 4chan users, as well as redditors

do you all know what that means?

>>12963123
>t. cokehead

>>12963088
Want official?
That'll be 20 Ziocoins, Bucko.

>>12963129
this shit is gonna be boring af right? I regret paying for it already

this thing ever gonna start?

>>12963122
A retard. Next question.

>>12963125
sports streams get several hundred thousand veiwers and dont get taken down.

>>12963129
WE DID IT

>capitalism vs marxism

Oh boy, judaism vs judaism. Yawn.

>>12963129
Have you ever seen reddit and 4chan in the same room?
>tfw 4chan and reddit users are identical

>supposedly one of the most important debates in the past 100 years
>you can't even watch the stream without paying 3000 dollars

>>12963138
Go fuck yourself nigger

Who /cleanroom/ here?

>>12963133
kek peterson looks like a statue on the promotional image or whatever

>>12963137
have sex

>>12963129
It means press the hide chat button

>>12958650
We need Betas here

>>12963136
>paying for it

>>12963151
I did, waiting for this for now

I'm missing jeopardy for this bullshit

>>12963149
Yeah, and Zizek looks like a creeper.

>>12963134
Imagine if Hegel had offical merchandise, or if locke sold tote bags with memes of his political thought on it. How can petersonites go to sleep at night knowing they worship a commodity?

>>12963153
piss bombas?

if you cant name this piece of music, youre uncultured swine

>>12963157
>i did
seriously, have sex

>>12963123
He really is a hack though. Releases the sams copy-pasted book twice a year.

>>12963157
Well do it again, illiterate.

>leafs playoff game
>this

oh god which one do i pick?

>when Zizek talks about bringing a fleshlight on a date and the woman bringing her fuck machine
I'm gonna use that line on a date

>>12963092
>you have to pay for official stream

>>12963164
Is it dead whitey theme on piano if A minor?

>>12963146
I guess capitalism working fine

>>12963110
how many kinds of anal penetration ways are there

>>12963141
Lmao exactly what I was thinking as well

this is like einstein and tesla having a conversation

>>12963164
Fuck Vivaldi and fuck baroque music

>>12963161
hol up hombre

>>12963170
>oh god which one do i pick?
If in doubt go with the memes

aaaand it's gone!

Which one of them is our guy?

meme debate for pseudo-existential half retarded young adults who can't get their life on the rolls.

>>12963164
literally babby's first classical

>>12963184
based and bluepilled

inb4 they don't appear

Can ANYONE post a link to working stream please? One with sound preferably. Thanks!!

>>12963167

POST OTHER STREAM LINKS

>>12963189
The leftist one.

>>12963189
The streamer that will not let us watch it

>muke: Hey everyone, if we're taken down by the capitalist pigs at youtube I will be immediately starting a backup stream off my own computer, please read desc on how to connect

The winner will go on to debate the current Heavy Weight Champion of the World, Foucault!
Oh wait, he died of AIDS?
Then the runner up Chomsky will do...

>he's not even watching the debate wearing his Philosopher's Shoes (tm)

lmaoing @ u plebs

>>12963189
Zizek certianly more than kermit.

SLI.DO
Code: debate

if you want to ask questions
cant think of anything interesting yet

>>12963145
yes and yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

>>12963192
>meme debate
Why do you think we're watching it, you humorless cretin?

>>12963170
Only toronto niggers have faith leafs can win.

>>12963202
back to plebbit

>>12963217
When start the debate?

>>12963189
Neither, if you're not watching this for fence-sitting superiority and amusement you're a pleb.

>>12963209
Lmao

>>12963209
school of life is comfy tho

>>12963198
>One with sound preferably
Ass opposed to one WITHOUT sound? What's the point to watch a debate if there's no sound?

https://www.twitch.tv/mawmaws

Vivaldi is bougie trash, this place has an anti-Zizek bias, just look at the pictures they chose for the screen, the visionary peterson v. the black-eyed balkanfag

>>12963209
>school of life
Who could have foretold they would be behind such scam.

>>12963146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&feature=youtu.be

capitalism vs marxism is just jews who want to slowly own all of the property but not right away vs jews who want to forcibly "collectivize" aka own all the property in a very shorter amount of time

fucking boring stream. still gonna root for zizek I guess because muh sniff

>>12963219
>tfw /lit/ looks like that
YUCK

>>12963231
Zizek is just undeniably ugly.

>>12963222
back to /pol/

>>12963189
Nick Land

>>12963220
Nothing appeals to youth anymore without it being veiled in some form of entertainment. This is the real problem.

>>12963237
wrong stream buddy

>>12963217
send in your questions boys

>>12963227
>school of life is comfy tho

>>12963240
There are people outside of /lit/ who care about this debate too

>>12963227
>>12963225
>>12963233
I seriously hope you guys are exclusively watching The School of Life-porn

you're not an intellectual if not

>>12958650
Youtube chat seems to be somehow worse than twitch chat

>>12963251
Link ?

MODS STICKY

>>12963253
Comfy as fuck, especially the guys voice and qt girls

>>12963242
there's cuter pics of him

does this thing start at 8 or 8:30? nothings happened and it's been 20 minutes

START THE DEBATE

>>12963214
based

>>12963260
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

>>12963256
is it any good?

The truth faggots

where does the "bucko" thing come from? i've never heard him say it

>>12963256
post link

Hi from Paris /lit/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0 this link looks legit

>clapping to rules

Americans

IT BEGINS

Strap in niggas here we go

the REAL livestream, fuck the other cuck one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

who here embarrassed to be watching this?

>>12963256
Wait is this serious

BOO FUCK YOU FAGGOT

lolo
intellectual debate l o l o l ol o l

SHIT HERE WE GO

WTF STOP CLAPPING and whistling, such poor etiquette

Our generations Foucault v Chomsky

ITS HAPPENING

clap clap clap clap clap

>Americlaps

Oh my god this whole thing feels like such a sham already. Like a cash grab

Zizek comfirmed manlet

>>12963289
i'm nervous, i hope zizek doesnt fuck up or have another stroke lol

>>12963289
Shame is a spook.

this is verbal masturbation

>Towering figures

Anon's stream is like 30 seconds late, which one are we watching?

Imagine if there were a terrorist attack

HOST IS A RATIONALIST OH NON NO NO NOO HAHAHAHA

>Towering figures
>a lanky
>and a fatty
kek

Fasting moving thread I've ever seen on /lit/.

>>12963303
you're just now realizing this lol

>>12963303

WHOO
*CLAP CLAP*
WHOOOOOOOOOO
*CLAP*

NO AUDIO ON YOUTUBE AAAAAAHH

LET'S NOT HEAR IT

Holy shit, the people in the audience are actually excited

>>12958650
The crowd is fucking retarded. Why are they cheering over literally everything?

oh my gooood

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

>americlaps
Can you people just sit down and listen?

Zizek uncomfortable from all the cheering, he knows its a circus and not his ordinary crowd

>>12963326
It;s getting me hype tbqhwy

>>12963310

zizek is so uncomfortable. fuck, i love him

D I A L E C T I C A L P O W E R

>>12963322
>>>/soc/

>>12962904
>>12962932
>>12962992
>>12963020
>>12963020

t. trannyfa

SHIT IM IN THE FUCKING DEBATE ALIVE, IM THE GUY WITH RED SHIRT

Zizek tired, long flight I guess.

This is so cringe and very aids.

>Žižek facepalming
lmao

JBP WON THE MOST CLAPS IN CLAPISTAN

IT'S OVER

>lubliana

>Jordan Peter-
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>12963344
Not me

the state of north americans

Is this a ufc match.

>Psychoanalysis
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Americlaps

>>12963331
Isn't this in canada?

>professor of psychology
>clapping for this

when is the dick size contest?

>>12963334
Zizek looks like he hates this so much. I can't contain my cringe either.

>>12963356
It should be

Peterson has already won.

It's over.

wtf is this crowd? Clap when each is introduced, sure, but for every accomplishment? Jesus christ.

>transcend
>human flourishing

i hate this guys rhetoric, reminds me of sam harris