/lit/ - Literature

Will they rebuild?
I know it won't be the same, but... they got all the art and artifacts and stuff out. And it's not like we've forgotten how. And it's not the first great Cathedral in Europe to be destroyed, just the first one in this Century...
And even in *this* century... they've got to rebuild, r-right?

>>12940766
They're drawing up the plans to build the new Notre Dame Mosque as we speak

>>12940744
Which is the most faithful film adaptation of the novel?

>>12940766
what's the point? People are sad about it burning down because of the disney movie

>>12940766
Proof they got all that stuff out?

>>12940789
topkek

>>12940766
Macaroni said they're going to rebuild it

>>12940744
well it's not the first great building to burn down and it won't be the last. everything will be lost, we all die, it's a fact of life.

>>12940766
Who gives a shit about some old building? The New Europeans have no connection to it so why should they rebuild it?

>>12940789
boy is my grandson gonna be pissed when i tell him i posted it on his website again!!

>>12940766
did they rebuild the colosseum

>>12940744
It's quite the coincidence that I've been reading Les Mis recently as this happened. Is Hugo's Norte Dame worth reading too?

>>12941049
Not anymore

>>12940744
This is a pretty shitty way to learn about this, thanks for ruining my day. Seriously though, multiple famous buildings have been rebuilt multiple times throughout history

>>12941049

That's not a coincidence of any significance. Lots of /lit/ is centered on Paris. It is one of 3-4 Alpha+++ cities, after all.

>>12941045
One is the ancient equivalent of a sports arena, which didn't start wearing down untill long after anybody had the means or knowledge to rebuild it.
The other is the Fucking Notre Dame.

>>12941037
>Who gives a shit about some old building?
A lot of Young White Men are really Upset about losing a Symbol of Western Civilization right now and it's hilarious honestly

>>12941132
I was putting my shoes on, about to walk out the door and have a nice day right when I heard about Notre Dame burning on the news.

This time is a little different since the interior was absolutely destroyed. The structure itself is going to be still standing, but all of the stained glass and art cannot be replaced or rebuilt. Making stained glass on that scale hasn't even really been done in a long time, since it's insanely expensive and not very profitable to specialize in.

>>12941228
really sucks cause now I'll never get to see it, but I wouldn't be surprised if artisans from around the world volunteer to help rebuild the interior

>>12941228
Who gives a shit about the expense?
It's the NOTRE DAME, anon.
All of the really priceless stuff managed to get out.

>>12940766
Assisi was rebuilt stone by stone after the earthquake of 1997. It looks pretty much the same.

Yes it can be done, but it is still not the same in a way.
You the paradox of the boat right?

>>12941178
which means nothing you faggot ass bitch

sports over church everytime

PROOF.

Football is on Sunday, church is also on sunday but more people watch football!

YOU LOSE

>>12941250
Yes, i know about the ship of theseus. And like I say, i know it's not gonna be exactly the same. But 100, 200, 500 years from now, is anybody really going to care that they aren't walking through the *exact* same Notre Dame that we did?
I just don't want that experience to be gone, anon.

>>12941250
Literally everyone of your atoms is like totally different from like last week so ya you're like not the same or something

>>12941245
It's less about the price and more about the lack of people with the skill to do it. Though, if God wants Notre Dame to be restored, I'm sure it will be. I'm very relieved, at least, that the relics were saved. The crown of thorns and the piece of the cross from the reliquary going up in flames would have multiplied the tragedy

>>12941250
It's not like it's being rebuilt from scratch. They saved the bulk of the exterior.

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>>12941281
None of it's ben officially confirmed yet anon. I can't imagine why anybody would lie about it at a time like this, but take it with a pinch of salt until we get an official statement.
Still, i'm just as relieved if it's true. Stained glass windows may be hard to replace (I imagine this is a bittersweet day for Stained glass artisans across Europe, but still), yet there's *nothing* that could replace the relics themselves.

>>12940766
it's one of the most studied cathedrals of its type and it's the most visited monument in europe, it will be rebuilt EXACTLY AS IT WAS BEFORE

>>12941274
>I just don't want that experience to be gone
but it has to go. everything has to go. nothings forever. build something new for fucks sake

>>12941272
>using the masses to judge quality

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>>12941220
I live less than one hour away from the cathedral. I could see the smoke rise from beyond the building in the Seine Bank. I often go visit her when I'm sad. Yet I only ever visited the interior once.

You guys just make me sad.

>>12941308
God I hope so. I'm still worried about the stained glasses and artwork inside.

>>12941314
This isn't your fucking teacup, Ajahn Chah.

All things fade with time. But that time isn't today.

>>12941333
>Stained glass
Gone. they were held together with lead, which was one of the first things to melt, and firmly stuck in the windows. There was no way they could've got them out even if they tried anon.
>artwork
Apparently they've managed to rescue quite a lot of what wasn't literally built into the building itself, but it's not official at this point.

>>12941333
the artwork was saved but sadly the stained glass is lost. stained glass is bound with lead which melts at low temperatures. though it's a sad consolation price to know that the stained glass that we will see from now on will be modern reconstructions and not the ages-old originals, in due time people will forget and it will seem as ancient as the rest.

the cathedral in rheims was bombed out during the first world war and it was rebuilt exactly. if you go visit it now, you'd easily forget it was every damaged in the first place. in due time the same will be true of notre dame.

>>12941360
That's really a pity about the stained glass, it's really one of the most expressive artform birthed by the Middle Ages, despite its narrow constraints.

But I suppose we should be glad, I was about 20 minutes from there (by foot) an hour ago, and by the look of it you would have believed the whole island was going to burn down.

it's over guys, it's going to be ok.

>>12941355
'that time' will always be on 'today'

>>12941391
That's just heartbreaking to look at, but I suppose it could have been a lot worse

Too bad it wasn’t a Muslim.

>>12941392
>This is your brain on nihilism

>>12941397
Have they released an official statement yet? I know there's been some vandalism and attmpted attack throughout France over the last coupl of months on Churches, but I can't imagine that the one time they actually managed to pull it off with success was the Notre Dame. It *has* to be an accident.

Anyone concerned about the quality of the rebuild only needs to look about how the Belgians repaired Ypres after WWI. It can be done, and done well.

>>12941391
>The Altar still standing
>The cross untouched
I'm not even Christian, but that symbolism is *potent*.

>>12941414
>>12941397
I thought it was part of the yellow vests protest? That shit has nothing to do with it?!

:3

>>12941421
Unless they're using protests as cover. Police otherwise occupied, Large crowds...
...On an unrelated note, London's set to be locked down over some Climate protests this week.

>>12941421
Not sure why you replied to me, I think the fire was accidental though, it's being treated as such.

>>12941399
this is just facing facts

Oh, is there a Jesus box burning down somewhere? Yeah, let me just schedule in "care about the Jesus box"... Oops, schedule's full. Aw, poor baby. Cry some tears for me, too? Lmaoooo

Sales of that book are going to go through the roof. Expect new editions and translations in the near future. Maybe even a film.

>>12941397
This is what the French government gets for hiring Three Stooges Restoration LLC

>>12941552
Cui bono?

>>12941220
fuck you

>>12941391
Fuck it's still striking in that desultory state. I'm literally a couple photos away from starting a doujiin with Notre-Dame Onee-sama and Saint-Merri-chan as main characters.

>>12941391
it looks better

>>12941577
white fragility?

>>12941037
Kill yourself

>>12941326
Look at the shape of your country and the rest of the west. You deserve this, as do we. And we will continue to do the same thing as we did before this.

stop attaching metaphysical properties to things

>>12941656
why?

>>12940766
They chimp out over paying more for gas, so probably not.

>>12941644
You're talking in inane generalities unrelated to the thread. Tragic accidents have happened destroyed monuments before. I treasured the cathedral like a friends,I do not deserve this, maybe you do, though I doubt even that.

>The gods of a captured city abandon it.
Aeschuylus: Seven Against Thebes, Line 218.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0085.tlg004.perseus-eng1:211-218

>>12941660
Right, you can live your life but you're no better off than if you sleep

>>12941777
based schizo poster

>>12941656
What metaphysical properties are being applied?

>>12940744
fuck church and fuck "god"
>>12940766
fuck you

>>12940744
>went to Paris but my family suck at planning
what kind of autistic mutt voyage can you take to Paris without strolling along the Seine?

>>12941049
>It's quite the coincidence that I've been reading Les Mis recently as this happened.
Not really dude you aren't that important. Is it a coincidence that I skipped Church yesterday too?

>>12942033
We were only in Paris for 1 1/2 days, spent most our time in Rome and London (huge mistake)

>>12942046
rip

>>12940744
It was always the most heart wrenching book of all time because of the characters of Frollo and Quasimodo. Now it just got sadder

>>12940766
there are private individuals donating 100s of millions to its reconstruction already
IRL normies have literally told me they'd rather see people die than Notre Dame in its current state
finally, if Macron doesn't fix this he and his cabinet will be lynched

yeah, I think it'll get rebuilt anon

>>12941272
based /sp/ poster

>>12941656
Fuck off I will do whatever pleases me, Stirner
Wait a sec

FUCK YOUR DAMES

FUCK OFF CHRISTIANS


THERE IS NO GOD
AAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHA

>>12942337
Yes I know but I still like the cathedral

>>12942339
Crying over a stupid church is just ridiculous. CNN has been crying for hours now. It's nauseating.

>>12942353
edgy

>>12942354
low-T

>>12941411
Where have you been? The EU has been sweeping news of attacks and rapes committed by refugees under the rug for a few years now.

>>12942448
Not well enough it seems

>>12941619
Kill yourself

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>>12941037
God, white people are ugly

>>12941272
I promise you more people go to church than watch football on Sundays

>>12941380
They were already reproductions, not the original. I'm sure artisans will replace it in no time. I mean, this is probably one of the most well documented buildings in the world.

>>12940789
yaaaaaAAAAAAAAaaawn

>>12941037
Maybe that guy was a douche. Maybe the woman was a stuffy, old cunt who lived a boring life and lived vicariously through the prestige of the cathedral. Why do people think people are so black and white?

paris is muslim, macron is the current puppet executioner

>>12941416
I mean it's a cross in a church, it's not that huge of a coincidence

>>12942756
Shocking. It's almost like they completely despise our culture

>>12942756
>scavenging the internet for some literal whos with edgy opinions

fuck off to /pol/

>>12942844

>heart wrenching!

>>12942853
These people don't speak for everyone from a middle east background. Learn how to think outside of in-groups. /pol/ reacts like this to every tragedy, should all white people be held responsible for that?

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>>12942867
Now you are trying to blame these two Indian men for smiling during the excitement? There are posters ITT more guilty than that

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>>12942921
What are you even trying to say? I don't care that random people post edgy things online

>>12942937
Only dirty m*slims would be amused by an old building catching fire or by some meme-spouting nerd killing 50 people out of boredom and a need for attention.

>>12942937

>>12942943
I don't think so. You need to stop thinking inside of in-groups so much. The world isn't just x identity believes y and does b. There might be some social pressures that cause people to act in certain ways but its never an objective unchanging trait

>>12942948
It's a shame some people might think like this but they aren't connected to some kind of magical hive mind with everyone else from their ethnicity

>>12942943
Bullshit. I nearly wept when I saw the news about Notre Dame but would laugh hysterically if any major Muslim building burnt to the ground (especially with people inside).

I feel 0 anger when I see photos of shit skins laughing at the fire because I understand our two cultures are not compatible.

>>12942948
yeah, I bet that asian woman completely understood the gravitas of the situation and what the cathedral means to the city and isn't just upset because she didn't get to take some "selfies" at another Tourist Attraction

>>12942962
you still haven't gone back to your containment board? white men aren't the only people that feel things

>>12942962
why so cynical? relax man.
maybe she just likes crying

>>12942980